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(CBS Pittsburgh)   There is a "Restaurant Revolution" happening today in southwestern PA. COVID-19 seen smiling pandemicly   (pittsburgh.cbslocal.com) divider line
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2020-08-14 8:25:11 AM  
You guys know you're just extending lockdowns and even harsher quarantine orders by your actions... you know that....right???
 
2020-08-14 8:28:11 AM  

Circusdog320: You guys know you're just extending lockdowns and even harsher quarantine orders by your actions... you know that....right???


They don't care because freedoms and lack of maps and furthermore.
 
2020-08-14 8:39:52 AM  
The Southwestern Pennsylvania Restaurant and Tavern Association says they have sent letters to Governor Wolf in an effort to work together but have not heard back.

Well the governor hasn't responded because he probably never received the letter if sent via USPS.  You should talk to Dolt45 on that.

/I have relatives east of Pittsburgh.  One moved to FL and just put up a huge Trump flag.  Another appears to be a Q-tard.  The rest will probably vote for Trump while complaining about the government.
 
2020-08-14 8:44:35 AM  
Spouse and I don't give our money to businesses that ignore basic precautions and we never will again. It's a bummer, but hey, free market, yeah?
 
2020-08-14 8:46:37 AM  
I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.
 
2020-08-14 8:51:31 AM  

enry: Well the governor hasn't responded because he probably never received the letter if sent via USPS.


Apparently, there's no list of who the "Southwestern Pennsylvania Restaurant and Tavern Association" is, but for the one guy in the article.  They haven't even listed which establishments are participating in this "rebellion."  If it's like any of these other "Freedom" movements, this association is really just three guys and a fax machine.

Establishments who violate the 25% capacity order, btw, run the risk of having their liquor licenses pulled by the health department if they are caught.  (And there are a lot of people who are willing to narc on them for being stupid.)
 
2020-08-14 9:05:52 AM  
I feel for them, I really do.  We have a lot of FANTASTIC restaurants here, surprisingly, and many are on the brink of shuttering forever.  However, umm exigent circumstances people.  These are not normal times.  You're going to get people killed.

I've never been more happy to live in the rural nowhere part of the area than I am this year.
 
2020-08-14 9:17:27 AM  
How I feel at this point:
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2020-08-14 9:34:19 AM  

vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.


😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.
 
2020-08-14 9:43:52 AM  

raerae1980: vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.

😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.


I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......
 
2020-08-14 9:48:10 AM  

End_Of_Line: raerae1980: vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.

😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.

I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......


Yep. They are also constitutional scholars.
 
2020-08-14 9:53:33 AM  
They say they have been bullied.

I have a 6-year-old nephew with that level of intellect.

"Don't jump on the couch, you'll fall and hurt yourself."
"EVEWYBUDDY'S BULLYING ME! 'TOP BULLYING ME! I JUMP ONNA COUCH IF I [falls, hits head] OWWIE!!!!"

This is a nation of like 50% toddlers, mentally.
 
2020-08-14 9:53:56 AM  
raerae1980:
😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.


Well except the dying mall.  The mall in W Mifflin is fully dead now, not just mostly dead.
 
2020-08-14 10:05:37 AM  

Pavia_Resistance: constitutional scholars.


the more guns, the higher the degree.
I must be a custodian at the university
 
2020-08-14 10:05:38 AM  

raerae1980: vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.

😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.


KENNYWOOD!!!!
 
2020-08-14 10:08:58 AM  
While I don't know these particular establishments AND I 100% agree with the health directives I do feel for them. They are undoubtedly on the verge of closure. These are their livelihoods which probably represent decades of blood sweat and tears. But it's not safe, and to me underscores the absolute failure of the federal government to provide meaningful support for local communities and actual small businesses (let alone sane messaging). Of course these owners will blame their governor who is just trying to keep them and their customers safe, they are the roadblock preventing them from full operation (no matter the consequences).
 
2020-08-14 10:10:11 AM  
Shame about those operating licences though.
 
2020-08-14 10:11:05 AM  
Man, W Miff.
I used to live in Mckeesport.
When to Penn State there.
Lived in a boarding house.
tenants were a retired, crippled, 80 year old steel worker with no sense of humor.
A crazy bag lady who pooped all over the bathroom, left her shopping cart on the porch.
A schizo, off meds, who constantly had drama,
Someone who never left their room.
And me.
An old house, shared kitchen and bath, Pad locks on the bedroom doors.
Perk was the polish landlady would bring leftovers on Friday from the week of cooking for her family where they all lived, down the street.
Strange area to live in.

It's like 400 years ago, some white folks showed up and went, Hey, this is paradise, let's stay.

And dug it up, dug in, burned it down, paved it over, and never left.
 
2020-08-14 10:12:44 AM  

psilocyberguy: KENNYWOOD


only time I ever saw that place ( I gave my tickets away in school) was when I worked at Edgar Thompson after graduating high school.
It was all lit up with happy people while i tolled away in a grimy mill.
 
2020-08-14 10:26:44 AM  

nekom: raerae1980:
😔
You just described my neighborhood in W Mifflin, dude.

Well except the dying mall.  The mall in W Mifflin is fully dead now, not just mostly dead.


Yeah, I've been keeping up with its demise.  I actually got a little weepy when I seen it on the Dead Mall series.  So much of my youth was spent in that mall....and with the Hubs.   Shiat, i feel old now.
 
2020-08-14 10:28:20 AM  

End_Of_Line: smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......


Which kinda blows my mind considering we have so many top-notch medical facilities in the region.
 
2020-08-14 10:41:06 AM  
Nice operating license you've got there. Be shame if something happened to it. Yoinks!
 
2020-08-14 10:45:28 AM  

vudukungfu: Pavia_Resistance: constitutional scholars.

the more guns, the higher the degree.
I must be a custodian at the university


Lol. I own several guns, though I don't own an AR-15. Obviously I'm not PhD material.
 
2020-08-14 10:52:47 AM  

raerae1980: top-notch medical facilities in the region


you mean a lot of machines that go beep.
Lot of sick people and a lot of insurance policies.

You institute a socialized medicine program and watch that change, but you can't because the casino owners, I mean lobbyists for the gaming medical industry want to maximize profits over healing.
 
2020-08-14 11:01:01 AM  
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2020-08-14 11:02:22 AM  
Ignoring all the ad-hominems about Pennsylvanians, I can sort of understand the motivations of the restaurant owners.  For COVID19 to be brought under control, sit-down restaurants basically need to *NOT EXIST* for the next several months.  Same with bars & clubs.  Considering how hard it is to own & operate a restaurant profitably at the best of times, basically these owners have the Sophie's choice between "close my restaurant and lose my shirt" and "open my business, and risk getting shut down, losing my shirt".

They're victims of the pandemic.  Unfortunately, their industry is pretty much farked.  All existing players, especially smaller ones, will probably not survive the pandemic.

On the plus side, although yes, this is tragic for them, people still like to eat socially, so the restaurant industry WILL spring back up once it's allowed to do so.
 
2020-08-14 11:07:35 AM  

End_Of_Line: I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......


I've said it elsewhere here on Fark but it bears repeating:  Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with a metric farkton of North Alabama in between.
 
2020-08-14 11:11:15 AM  
My wife & I have not sat down in a restaurant since some time in March.  In that time we have gotten take out from multiple local and chain restaurants at least once a week (which was our normal amount of eating out).  While not eating in a restaurant means we don't order drinks, we have typically been ordering appetizers or desserts, which we wouldn't if eating in.  We have had several picnics, including bringing chairs & a folding table to a closed movie theater parking lot next to the restaurant we bought the food at.

There is one local restaurant that we will never eat at again after the owner posted a racist and anti LGBTQIA rant about our state's Secretary of Health and claiming that he was opening up no matter what the state said....His wife went on later & said that the restaurant will be following all state guidelines, but the damage is done & my money will never line his pockets again.  If we find out about any other place purposely breaking the rules, they are also on our never go there again list, because if they break these health rules, what other food health safety rules are they breaking?

Being childish over state safety mandates will only create more issues later on and extend the quarantines & lock-downs longer.  Some times I'm ashamed of being from PA, but at least it's not Florida.
 
2020-08-14 11:36:00 AM  

mactheknife: End_Of_Line: I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......

I've said it elsewhere here on Fark but it bears repeating:  Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with a metric farkton of North Alabama in between.


Well, I'm sitting in Stonerstown, PA, so. . .
Yeah. All the all the ad-hominems about Pennsylvanians hereabouts have been carefully pedigreed and inbred for generations.

If I hear one more person say "Gorsh" I swear, I'll knock them out and enroll them at Yale.
They'll wake up in an advanced Lit class and be shamed into speaking properly.
 
2020-08-14 11:49:51 AM  

nekom: I feel for them, I really do.  We have a lot of FANTASTIC restaurants here, surprisingly, and many are on the brink of shuttering forever.  However, umm exigent circumstances people.  These are not normal times.  You're going to get people killed.

I've never been more happy to live in the rural nowhere part of the area than I am this year.


The problem here is that people need to pay their bills.  Unless the government gives everybody who owns a restaurant (and cruise ship and airline and movie theater and and and) and all their employees an equal amount of money that they would normally make, they will attempt to operate as normal.
 
2020-08-14 12:00:09 PM  
There are a few restaurants and business in my area with a total disregard to the pandemic and public safety. I have a simple method of dealing with them, just vowing to never enter their establishment again. For those places making an effort, they get my business and gratitude.
 
2020-08-14 12:33:12 PM  

vudukungfu: mactheknife: End_Of_Line: I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......

I've said it elsewhere here on Fark but it bears repeating:  Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with a metric farkton of North Alabama in between.

Well, I'm sitting in Stonerstown, PA, so. . .
Yeah. All the all the ad-hominems about Pennsylvanians hereabouts have been carefully pedigreed and inbred for generations.

If I hear one more person say "Gorsh" I swear, I'll knock them out and enroll them at Yale.
They'll wake up in an advanced Lit class and be shamed into speaking properly.


Tell me how you feel about people saying their going to "wersh" their clothes.
 
2020-08-14 12:34:50 PM  

sp1dey73: While I don't know these particular establishments AND I 100% agree with the health directives I do feel for them. They are undoubtedly on the verge of closure. These are their livelihoods which probably represent decades of blood sweat and tears. But it's not safe, and to me underscores the absolute failure of the federal government to provide meaningful support for local communities and actual small businesses (let alone sane messaging). Of course these owners will blame their governor who is just trying to keep them and their customers safe, they are the roadblock preventing them from full operation (no matter the consequences).


Why don't they get on their federal congresscritters ass about paying restaurants to stay closed instead of risking it all for the covid? The airlines get $25B why not restaurants?
 
2020-08-14 12:35:48 PM  
Al's?  Bethel Park, PA?  Allegheny County?


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Figures.
 
2020-08-14 12:40:50 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Al's?  Bethel Park, PA?  Allegheny County?


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Figures.


Results for Bethel Park:

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2020-08-14 12:44:02 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: vudukungfu: mactheknife: End_Of_Line: I think we can safely include most all of PA in that description. A depressingly large portion of our state has responded to this by claiming they are smarter than scientists, doctors, nature......

I've said it elsewhere here on Fark but it bears repeating:  Pennsylvania is Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, with a metric farkton of North Alabama in between.

Well, I'm sitting in Stonerstown, PA, so. . .
Yeah. All the all the ad-hominems about Pennsylvanians hereabouts have been carefully pedigreed and inbred for generations.

If I hear one more person say "Gorsh" I swear, I'll knock them out and enroll them at Yale.
They'll wake up in an advanced Lit class and be shamed into speaking properly.

Tell me how you feel about people saying their going to "wersh" their clothes.


Or using "their" instead of "they're"

/goddammitsomuch
 
2020-08-14 12:44:15 PM  

vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.


Yeah same here, that was where I grew up. It was exactly the hellhole you describe, I was glad to get the fark out of there. This behavior from those assholes (probably Upper St. Clair is involved) is not surprising in the least.
 
2020-08-14 1:30:41 PM  

Fast B: vudukungfu: I grew up within walking distance to Al's

Allow me to verify that the core clientele are mouth breathing jaggoffs who would kill Fred Rogers to get stillerz tickets, 'n@.
Yinzers in that area are no smarter than your average igneous item in a museum of natural science.
Don't let those extra large houses in the 15241 fool you.
A seething Peyton Place of  STDs, pin heads, and general backstabbing ne'r do wells populate that suburb. Bethel Park used to be nice, and Peter's Twp, was generally OK, too. But in the last 40 years, it has melded into a disgusting rat race of traffic and retail. There is a dying mall and a bunch of chain stores, but as far as being a community goes, it's more of a series of HOAs with political agendas.
Drive around. See any sidewalks? There is a pretty good indicator of how they like to direct their tax money into social engineering.
You want to walk, or jog? Join the country club. It'$ waiting there for you, neighbor.

Yeah same here, that was where I grew up. It was exactly the hellhole you describe, I was glad to get the fark out of there. This behavior from those assholes (probably Upper St. Clair is involved) is not surprising in the least.


My dad ran for an got elected to the UCS school board with a buddy just to fark with the biddies and blow cigar smoke in their faces back in the 70s. This was at the time we had a student strike to get a smoking lounge on campus.
And won.

We got a place where we could take smoke breaks.

And chug annie green springs, boone's farm, MD202, and southern comfort.

When I graduated, I did a year at a steel mill, paid for a year of college, then went in the AirForce to grab the GI bill for the rest of college.

did not cost my dad a dime.
 
2020-08-14 1:31:56 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: "wersh" their clothes.


I thought it was Worsh all this time.
I feel dirty now.
I need a Shar.
 
2020-08-14 1:38:13 PM  

vudukungfu: I thought it was Worsh all this time.


Depends on which part of "Befford" county you are in.
 
2020-08-14 1:40:28 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: vudukungfu: I thought it was Worsh all this time.

Depends on which part of "Befford" county you are in.


hillbilly land. The part of the raystown they wouldn't use as a back up film location for Ozarks because it is too scary.
 
2020-08-14 2:44:16 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: enry: Well the governor hasn't responded because he probably never received the letter if sent via USPS.

Apparently, there's no list of who the "Southwestern Pennsylvania Restaurant and Tavern Association" is, but for the one guy in the article.  They haven't even listed which establishments are participating in this "rebellion."  If it's like any of these other "Freedom" movements, this association is really just three guys and a fax machine.

Establishments who violate the 25% capacity order, btw, run the risk of having their liquor licenses pulled by the health department if they are caught.  (And there are a lot of people who are willing to narc on them for being stupid.)


PLCB, (Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board) not the health department that will pull the license.

They've been crystal clear about the regulations since March and every liquor licensee is receiving regular updates. (unless they opt-out of course)  No way in hell I'm about to flout their rules.  I like keeping my liquor license.
 
2020-08-14 3:05:51 PM  

SpeakY2K: My wife & I have not sat down in a restaurant since some time in March.  In that time we have gotten take out from multiple local and chain restaurants at least once a week (which was our normal amount of eating out).  While not eating in a restaurant means we don't order drinks, we have typically been ordering appetizers or desserts, which we wouldn't if eating in.  We have had several picnics, including bringing chairs & a folding table to a closed movie theater parking lot next to the restaurant we bought the food at.

There is one local restaurant that we will never eat at again after the owner posted a racist and anti LGBTQIA rant about our state's Secretary of Health and claiming that he was opening up no matter what the state said....His wife went on later & said that the restaurant will be following all state guidelines, but the damage is done & my money will never line his pockets again.  If we find out about any other place purposely breaking the rules, they are also on our never go there again list, because if they break these health rules, what other food health safety rules are they breaking?

Being childish over state safety mandates will only create more issues later on and extend the quarantines & lock-downs longer.  Some times I'm ashamed of being from PA, but at least it's not Florida.


Might be time to dox this place.

BTW... where the hell is Eastren Pa?  Some small podunk place in unincorporated Pennsyltucky?
 
2020-08-14 3:22:01 PM  

educated: Spouse and I don't give our money to businesses that ignore basic precautions and we never will again. It's a bummer, but hey, free market, yeah?


Wow, so you and the missus are keep doing something you have always done. God, the Bravery.
 
2020-08-14 8:22:08 PM  

vudukungfu: raerae1980: top-notch medical facilities in the region

you mean a lot of machines that go beep.
Lot of sick people and a lot of insurance policies.

You institute a socialized medicine program and watch that change, but you can't because the casino owners, I mean lobbyists for the gaming medical industry want to maximize profits over healing.


Don't be a jerk, we have world class medical facilities and surgeons/doctors, healthcare professionals would kill to work at more hospitals than just Presby here.
 
2020-08-14 9:07:42 PM  

lindalouwho: vudukungfu: raerae1980: top-notch medical facilities in the region

you mean a lot of machines that go beep.
Lot of sick people and a lot of insurance policies.

You institute a socialized medicine program and watch that change, but you can't because the casino owners, I mean lobbyists for the gaming medical industry want to maximize profits over healing.

Don't be a jerk, we have world class medical facilities and surgeons/doctors, healthcare professionals would kill to work at more hospitals than just Presby here.


I would like a doctor that doesn't watch fox.
I'd like to pick my doctor.
I'd like to look up the doctors in this area and pick the one with a good education.
I have to either drive to Vermont a full day one way to see my original, and good doctor, or deal with this shiatty coal town heath clinc one.
My plan is don't get sick. Don't get hurt.
 
2020-08-14 9:42:29 PM  

vudukungfu: lindalouwho: vudukungfu: raerae1980: top-notch medical facilities in the region

you mean a lot of machines that go beep.
Lot of sick people and a lot of insurance policies.

You institute a socialized medicine program and watch that change, but you can't because the casino owners, I mean lobbyists for the gaming medical industry want to maximize profits over healing.

Don't be a jerk, we have world class medical facilities and surgeons/doctors, healthcare professionals would kill to work at more hospitals than just Presby here.

I would like a doctor that doesn't watch fox.
I'd like to pick my doctor.
I'd like to look up the doctors in this area and pick the one with a good education.
I have to either drive to Vermont a full day one way to see my original, and good doctor, or deal with this shiatty coal town heath clinc one.
My plan is don't get sick. Don't get hurt.


I was speaking specifically about the greater Pittsburgh area region, and so was raerae1980. You have such a hate boner for PA that you sometimes let it bleed into areas that don't deserve it.
Look into UPMC Insurance, I've found it almost unbelievable as far as the things and specialists that are covered. Seriously. They have 30 hospitals, most have clinics in them, there must be one closer to you than Vermont.
 
2020-08-14 9:43:20 PM  
Oh, and you forgot "don't get any older."
 
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