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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Former airline pilot Kareem Abdul-Jabbar calls out Titan Games and The Challenge as being unfair to women, insists that several women could drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2020-08-14 8:35:45 AM  
Clearly, women and men are not physically the same.

I don't know much about basketball but we need to cancel this B I G O T and make sure he never plays in MLB again.
 
2020-08-14 8:54:22 AM  
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What a great picture to use in conjunction with a Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
 
2020-08-14 8:57:51 AM  
I wonder if he whined about this when American Gladiators was on the air.

/Either version.
 
2020-08-14 9:23:44 AM  
Women will never be able to write their name in the snow as well as men MUWHahHajajahaHaHaHa
 
2020-08-14 9:30:04 AM  
"A study of descriptions of Black quarterback prospects in the NFL Draft section of the Sports Illustrated website between 1998 and 2007 showed that Black quarterbacks were lauded for their athleticism but criticized for their athletes, they are not equal. Some are downright cringeworthy."

Something went wrong in the editing process here, I assume, unless Kareem had a very heavy burtation in the middle of that paragraph.
 
2020-08-14 9:38:47 AM  
Former airline pilot Kareem Abdul-Jabbar


He was the co-pilot. It's a different job altogether.
 
2020-08-14 9:39:59 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Former airline pilot Kareem Abdul-Jabbar


He was the co-pilot. It's a different job altogether.


It's a different job.
 
2020-08-14 9:41:56 AM  

cman: [cdn1.thr.com image 850x479]

What a great picture to use in conjunction with a Kareem Abdul Jabbar.


Do you have the original of that?
 
2020-08-14 9:42:52 AM  

IlGreven: I wonder if he whined about this when American Gladiators was on the air.

/Either version.


I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

/Bucks or the Lakers

I've always enjoyed his writing. Particularly "On The Shoulders of Giants" and "A Season on the Reservation."
 
2020-08-14 9:54:39 AM  

brap: IlGreven: I wonder if he whined about this when American Gladiators was on the air.

/Either version.

I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

/Bucks or the Lakers

I've always enjoyed his writing. Particularly "On The Shoulders of Giants" and "A Season on the Reservation."


I certainly don't agree with everything Kareem writes or says, but there's no denying he's an interesting guy with a very unique perspective.  I appreciate his thoughtfulness on a wide variety of issues, and his willingness to put himself out there and get involved in public debate.
 
2020-08-14 10:04:14 AM  
brap:

I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

"Say what now?"
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2020-08-14 10:07:17 AM  
"The hell I don't!"
 
2020-08-14 10:07:49 AM  
Literally the whole point of that article I 100% disagree with.  One of the great things about Ninja Warrior, Ultimate Beastmaster, and Titans (to a degree, there are slight differences there, like the giant ball at the end weighing less) all have equal playing fields for men and women.

I think it might be cool to have a women's spinoff of Ninja Warrior to highlight and showcase some of the women so long as they still compete on the main one.  But... the only trouble with that is... the really good women (like the two Jessie's) are lightyears better than virtually everyone else.  It's not even close.


Only real reason women aren't more successful is there just aren't that many women that go out for these sorts of things.   Just like men don't like to get prettified because it's seen as feminine, women don't like to train for these sorts of things because they'll get some muscles and they think that's 'manly'.  Some of the successful women in all these shows have inspired more women to try and go out for them, but it's still not that many.
 
2020-08-14 10:09:03 AM  
Hey...did you guys know that men have an advantage over women when it comes to fighting Bruce Lee?

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2020-08-14 10:14:59 AM  
Are there height/weight classes in any of these shows?

Or does the 5'6" guy compete with the 6'4" guy?
 
2020-08-14 10:16:23 AM  
I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".
 
2020-08-14 10:33:22 AM  

fallingcow: Englebert Slaptyback: Former airline pilot Kareem Abdul-Jabbar


He was the co-pilot. It's a different job altogether.

It's a different job.


It's a different job
 
2020-08-14 10:54:46 AM  

FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".


Sooo, what you're saying is that we shouldn't have separate male/female sports at the Olympics?   Just let them compete fair and square against each other?

Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?

Let's merge the WNBA with the NBA.  I'm sure that wouldn't be discriminatory against female players, right?
 
2020-08-14 10:54:50 AM  

puckrock2000: brap:

I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

"Say what now?"
[Fark user image 850x478]


Nope.

Kareem > All others
 
2020-08-14 10:56:07 AM  

Combustion: puckrock2000: brap:

I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

"Say what now?"
[Fark user image 850x478]

Nope.

Kareem > All others


So.....the Kareem rises to the top?
 
2020-08-14 10:59:02 AM  
Surely he can't be serious.
 
2020-08-14 11:04:15 AM  

dittybopper: FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Sooo, what you're saying is that we shouldn't have separate male/female sports at the Olympics?   Just let them compete fair and square against each other?

Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?

Let's merge the WNBA with the NBA.  I'm sure that wouldn't be discriminatory against female players, right?


I'm not saying that.  If anything, I'm saying the opposite.  These TV shows aren't real sports.  Let whoever play in those that gets the producer the most ratings.  Jabbar competes in a sports league that the best woman player in the world couldn't make the roster of the worst team.
 
2020-08-14 11:09:30 AM  
> MTV's long-running The Challenge is one of the most compelling competition shows around, but it is not familyfriendly. The mostly 20-something athletes live together in a house, face tough competitions, and conspire against one another in order to win the million-dollar prize. With all its sexual tension and betrayals, it's a Gen Z version of Lord of the Flies.Many of the males are actively misogynistic, though they would vehemently deny it.

The Challenge isn't a Gen Z show.  It's a Gen X show.

Gen Z wouldn't put up with the level of misogyny that that show has historically had from some of its biggest competitors.
 
2020-08-14 11:22:06 AM  

The_Sponge: So.....the Kareem rises to the top?



*golf clap*
 
2020-08-14 11:22:25 AM  

Combustion: puckrock2000: brap:

I wonder if you whined about Kareem Abdul Jabar's articles when he was winning championships and being the greatest center of all time.

"Say what now?"
[Fark user image 850x478]

Nope.

Kareem > All others


Wilt Chamberlain wants a word with both of you
 
2020-08-14 11:27:18 AM  

FLMountainMan: dittybopper: FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Sooo, what you're saying is that we shouldn't have separate male/female sports at the Olympics?   Just let them compete fair and square against each other?

Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?

Let's merge the WNBA with the NBA.  I'm sure that wouldn't be discriminatory against female players, right?

I'm not saying that.  If anything, I'm saying the opposite.  These TV shows aren't real sports.  Let whoever play in those that gets the producer the most ratings.  Jabbar competes in a sports league that the best woman player in the world couldn't make the roster of the worst team.


You're right. Those shows aren't real sports. They are merely televised events wherein competitors with personal narratives script-doctored by marketing people attempt to complete physical challenges with silly rules, the stakes and drama are created through bombastic presentation partnered with the mass-delusion of the viewers, and the entire venture is motivated by ratings, sponsorships and licensing fees. This is the polar opposite of real sports.

Unless you meant camping.
 
2020-08-14 11:34:31 AM  

Krazikarl: > MTV's long-running The Challenge is one of the most compelling competition shows around, but it is not familyfriendly. The mostly 20-something athletes live together in a house, face tough competitions, and conspire against one another in order to win the million-dollar prize. With all its sexual tension and betrayals, it's a Gen Z version of Lord of the Flies.Many of the males are actively misogynistic, though they would vehemently deny it.

The Challenge isn't a Gen Z show.  It's a Gen X show.

Gen Z wouldn't put up with the level of misogyny that that show has historically had from some of its biggest competitors.


You know what's also misogynistic?  The phrase "no true Scotsman".
 
2020-08-14 11:41:39 AM  

FLMountainMan: dittybopper: FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Sooo, what you're saying is that we shouldn't have separate male/female sports at the Olympics?   Just let them compete fair and square against each other?

Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?

Let's merge the WNBA with the NBA.  I'm sure that wouldn't be discriminatory against female players, right?

I'm not saying that.  If anything, I'm saying the opposite.  These TV shows aren't real sports.  Let whoever play in those that gets the producer the most ratings.  Jabbar competes in a sports league that the best woman player in the world couldn't make the roster of the worst team.


It doesn't sound like that.   These are your words:

I[t]'s comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman. His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Making the women compete on the same playing field as men when it comes to sports is unfair, and he's pointing that out.   While there are outliers, in general, men are stronger and bigger than women, and a course meant to be challenging in the extreme for men in top physical condition is going to be nigh on impossible for pretty much any natural born woman.

In the 10 seasons of the show, there have been 11 winners, all of them male.

Now, there are a bunch of sports that men and women can compete equally at.  The shooting sports are a shining example of that.

But sports that showcase raw physical attributes are unfair to women if they are co-ed, and yes, this *IS* a sport.  Regardless of its media origins, it's an objective test of physical prowess.  That makes it a sport.
 
2020-08-14 12:06:42 PM  

dittybopper: Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?


Enemy combatants don't give a shiat. They won't give you a break because you have breasts. They may actually behave worse towards you if you are a woman. One place PC culture does not belong is in military standards.
 
2020-08-14 12:10:19 PM  
Women and men are physically different. That's all there is to it. Woke idiots need to get the fark over it. If you disagree, sign your wife/girlfriend/daughter/mother up to fight Francis Ngannou.

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2020-08-14 12:22:09 PM  
Subby, the article makes it clear that The Titan Games does things right by pitting men against men and women against women with The Rock acting in a cheerleader role.
 
2020-08-14 12:48:22 PM  

dittybopper: FLMountainMan: dittybopper: FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Sooo, what you're saying is that we shouldn't have separate male/female sports at the Olympics?   Just let them compete fair and square against each other?

Hell, let's not stop there.  Let's require that women be subject to the same PT standards as men in the military.  That's fair, right?

Let's merge the WNBA with the NBA.  I'm sure that wouldn't be discriminatory against female players, right?

I'm not saying that.  If anything, I'm saying the opposite.  These TV shows aren't real sports.  Let whoever play in those that gets the producer the most ratings.  Jabbar competes in a sports league that the best woman player in the world couldn't make the roster of the worst team.

It doesn't sound like that.   These are your words:

I[t]'s comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman. His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows?  They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".

Making the women compete on the same playing field as men when it comes to sports is unfair, and he's pointing that out.   While there are outliers, in general, men are stronger and bigger than women, and a course meant to be challenging in the extreme for men in top physical condition is going to be nigh on impossible for pretty much any natural born woman.

In the 10 seasons of the show, there have been 11 winners, all of them male.

Now, there ar ...


I don't even know what the fark we're arguing about so I surrender.  You win five internet points!
 
2020-08-14 1:41:29 PM  
Men and women are physiologically different, so I see his point regarding ANW where the women compete directly with the men, although the courses seem designed to benefit smaller, more agile athletes. Guys carrying more than 180 lbs seem to be at a disadvantage. The Titan Games have the men vs men and women vs women so that seems fair. I've never seen Ultimate Beastmaster I can't comment.
 
2020-08-14 1:55:37 PM  
Did subby actually read the article?

"Dwayne Johnson's The Titan Games has the right idea by having the men and women run the same obstacles - but only against the same gender. What makes the matchups especially riveting is that amateurs are matched against one another as well as professionals. It's inspiring to see how often the determined amateurs best the experienced professionals. Plus, Johnson doesn't phone in his hosting duties, instead acting as a cheerleader to the athletes and interacting with their families. The show captures the spirit of camaraderie in sports without sacrificing intensity. And it treats the men and women with equal respect."

Titan Games is pretty much the only one he *doesn't* call out.
 
2020-08-14 2:36:51 PM  

skyotter: Are there height/weight classes in any of these shows?

Or does the 5'6" guy compete with the 6'4" guy?


On The Titan Games one of the finals was a shorter guy who through the course of the season beat guys that were bigger and taller than him.
 
2020-08-14 2:40:57 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: The_Sponge: So.....the Kareem rises to the top?


*golf clap*


Ultimate Macho Man Promo: Cream of the Crop
Youtube cr0BljPKksM
 
2020-08-14 2:41:19 PM  
this is why i can't back certain things that sound ok until you actually think about them.
cause i always think about them.
Do the men's basketball and the women's basketball INDUSTRIES, have the exact same revenue stream as each other?Ticket sales, video game deals, merchandise and tv deals, all that is the same for both?I mean of course if it is and we see the woman earn a flat rate that is lower than the men, duh this is sexist bs.Also IF THEY ALL NEGOTIATE FOR SALARY, then again DUH you expect everyone earns differently cause they each earn what they managed to negotiate for themselves in a private competitive negotiation situation in which the team want sot pay as little as they can pay out and the player wants to demand as much as they can get.So if negotiated salaries are off from each other, you can't just blame sexism, if everyone was given the same opportunity to self negotiate their salary.unless you want to claim that woman are specifically genetically disadvantaged at the negotiation table due to being women.I'd say if that is true then duh the negotiation situation is sexists and wrong to have there.But if we assume capacity to negotiate on the part of the women that we do for the men, the main thing left to consider is industry revenue.And we measure this gap not by a flat pay rate number of what was earned, but by what % of the total industry  annual revenue stream they get to take for themselves.IF the men and the women collectively take about the same % of the total annual for their sports league, then they are in fact being paid equally for their industries relative earnings.Anyone anyone care to show us how much one group earns per year and what % of that the players take home compared to the other group?the truth of equality waits to be foudn out about in that measurement.
 
2020-08-14 2:45:17 PM  
formatting? repost

this is why i can't back certain things that sound ok until you actually think about them.
cause i always think about them.

Do the men's basketball and the women's basketball INDUSTRIES, have the exact same revenue stream as each other?
Ticket sales, video game deals, merchandise and tv deals, all that is the same for both?
I mean of course if it is and we see the woman earn a flat rate that is lower than the men, duh this is sexist bs.

Also IF THEY ALL NEGOTIATE FOR SALARY, then again DUH you expect everyone earns differently cause they each earn what they managed to negotiate for themselves in a private competitive negotiation situation, in which the team wants to pay as little as they can pay out and the player wants to demand as much as they can get.

So if negotiated salaries are off from each other, you can't just blame sexism, if everyone was given the same opportunity to self-negotiate their salary.
Unless you want to claim that woman are specifically genetically disadvantaged at the negotiation table due to being women. I'd say if that is true then duh the negotiation situation is sexists and wrong to have there in the first place.

But if we assume capacity to negotiate on the part of the women that we do for the men, the main thing left to consider is industry revenue.
And we measure this gap not by a flat pay rate number of what was earned, but by what % of the total industry annual revenue stream they get to take for themselves.

IF the men and the women collectively take about the same % of the total annual for their sports league, then they are in fact being paid equally for their industries relative earnings.
Anyone care to show us how much one league earns per year and what % of that the players take home, compared to the other group? The truth of equality waits to be found out about in that measurement.
 
2020-08-14 2:48:58 PM  
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2020-08-14 3:23:26 PM  

Michael J Faux: Unless you meant camping.


Campers are THE worst!  Shoot them onsite!
 
2020-08-14 4:59:47 PM  
He's been hearing that crap since his time at UCLA
 
2020-08-14 6:29:08 PM  
His name is Roger Murdoch, he's an airline pilot.
 
2020-08-14 7:33:36 PM  
A study of descriptions of Black quarterback prospects in the NFL Draft section of the Sports Illustrated website between 1998 and 2007 showed that Black quarterbacks were lauded for their athleticism but criticized for their athletes, they are not equal. Some are downright cringeworthy.


What....did that paragraph attempt to say ?

I think I know what it attempted to say, but it failed rather grammarly.
 
2020-08-14 7:38:05 PM  
Men have superior upper-body strength, while women are able to process oxygen faster, giving them higher endurance.

Really? Women process oxygen faster? Is he just making stuff up?

As far as I know, there is no difference between men and women in ability to process oxygen. I'd be interested in hearing evidence otherwise, seems that would be a big deal.
 
2020-08-14 7:45:04 PM  

jake3988: just aren't that many women that go out for these sorts of things


because...read the article
 
2020-08-14 7:45:14 PM  
I'm supposed to listen to what some blogger has to say about sports?

/ Kidding
// I know he's an actor
 
2020-08-14 7:46:39 PM  

FLMountainMan: I's comical that a guy who dominated a sports league that has never had a woman player is criticizing a TV show for being unfair to woman.  His whole point seems to boil down to "we know women aren't good at these particular things.... why do we even let them compete on these shows? They just embarrass themselves.  I don't want to see that because it makes me uncomfortable".


That isn't even close to what he was writing.
 
2020-08-14 7:49:46 PM  

LindenFark: I'm supposed to listen to what some blogger has to say about sports?

/ Kidding
// I know he's an actor


also much smarter than you
 
2020-08-14 8:31:07 PM  

Christian Bale: As far as I know, there is no difference between men and women in ability to process oxygen. I'd be interested in hearing evidence otherwise, seems that would be a big deal.


It depends on what study you're looking at. Evidently, physiology is a very complicated thing. Oxygen uptake seems to be better in women, however women's bodies require much more energy to do the actual act of breathing.
Regardless, in straight up athletic competition for most sports, men perform better. In marathons, it's about 10% faster, for example, which is all you really need to know.
 
2020-08-15 11:16:14 AM  
Women are considerably better at long distance swimming despite being considerably worse at sprints up to 1500m.
 
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