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5376 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Aug 2020 at 5:29 AM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-08-14 5:40:29 AM  
Call before you dig dymbfarks
 
2020-08-14 5:50:27 AM  
Wow, a massive, barely-regulated corporation acted unethically? What a shocker!
 
2020-08-14 5:54:54 AM  
Throw the facebook at um!
 
2020-08-14 5:59:49 AM  
Zuck F*ckerberg. Wait, that doesn't work.
 
2020-08-14 6:03:18 AM  
That's not how this works, it's not how any of it works.   I deleted facebook, it was like a never ending family holiday gathering.
 
2020-08-14 6:03:41 AM  
Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?

Facebook is evil, but I don't see how this warrants anything other than manufactured concern.

People sink all sorts of random crap in the ocean, even on purpose as artificial reefs.
 
2020-08-14 6:10:55 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?

Facebook is evil, but I don't see how this warrants anything other than manufactured concern.

People sink all sorts of random crap in the ocean, even on purpose as artificial reefs.


6,500 gallons of drilling fluid
 
2020-08-14 6:12:05 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?



It's never a good idea to encourage drilling or other subsea companies to leave drilling tools, casing or drilling fluids downhole or on the seabed.

Once there's no legal kickback drilling programmes tend to be "Yee-haw!" rather than properly thought ought. The Nigerian delta would like a word.
 
2020-08-14 6:17:58 AM  
. . . the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers told the newspaper that Edge plans to just construct a separate pipe in 2021 without cleaning up after itself. Hansen's department has notified Edge it is violating permits by continuing to "store" its equipment onsite, the paper reported, as well as notified Facebook it had 30 days to pay damages, 180 days to remove their junk or get a new permit, and must accept any liability for the incident.
 
2020-08-14 6:26:18 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: . . . the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers told the newspaper that Edge plans to just construct a separate pipe in 2021 without cleaning up after itself. Hansen's department has notified Edge it is violating permits by continuing to "store" its equipment onsite, the paper reported, as well as notified Facebook it had 30 days to pay damages, 180 days to remove their junk or get a new permit, and must accept any liability for the incident.


Don't worry, Edge has determined that it's ok to leave their equipment behind.

/try that next time you get pulled over for speeding: "It's ok officer, I have determined my speeding doesn't pose any harm. Have a great day, I'll be on my way."
 
2020-08-14 6:26:43 AM  
Why? Are they mining for vitriol?
 
2020-08-14 6:28:05 AM  

PunkTiger: Why? Are they mining for vitriol?


That's edgy.
 
2020-08-14 6:29:40 AM  
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2020-08-14 6:32:43 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?

Facebook is evil, but I don't see how this warrants anything other than manufactured concern.

People sink all sorts of random crap in the ocean, even on purpose as artificial reefs.


oh, Hank!

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2020-08-14 6:43:34 AM  
Zuckrborg was just trying to awaken his dark lord, Cthulhu.
 
2020-08-14 6:47:40 AM  
This problem has an easy and obvious solution. Have it cleaned up, and then bill Facebook or whoever is responsible. If they don't pay, then seize the drilling companies assets. Tell Trump, Zuckerberg made a joke about the size of his hands, and the feds will gladly step in to help. I don't quite understand how equipment that is designed specifically to operate underwater isn't retrievable, it's only been 3 months. I know face hate is popular, and Zuckerberg is the devil incarnate, but making him pay a few million out of petty cash to get it cleaned up, and telling the company in question not to do it again, what else do they want?
 
2020-08-14 6:57:23 AM  
And this is why companies don't want regulation. They rather just move on and not worrying about clean up. GOP ppl really need to be held accountable for supporting stupidity like this.
 
2020-08-14 7:11:01 AM  

Sasquach: Zeb Hesselgresser: . . . the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers told the newspaper that Edge plans to just construct a separate pipe in 2021 without cleaning up after itself. Hansen's department has notified Edge it is violating permits by continuing to "store" its equipment onsite, the paper reported, as well as notified Facebook it had 30 days to pay damages, 180 days to remove their junk or get a new permit, and must accept any liability for the incident.

Don't worry, Edge has determined that it's ok to leave their equipment behind.

/try that next time you get pulled over for speeding: "It's ok officer, I have determined my speeding doesn't pose any harm. Have a great day, I'll be on my way."


My experiences with the Army Corps. of Engineers is, if you have the means to satisfy them, you will.  They are not your average regulatory outfit.  In fact, they're giant dicks to work for or around.  They're overstaffed and wear you down and out.  Which in this case, is a good thing.
 
2020-08-14 7:39:16 AM  

Sasquach: Zeb Hesselgresser: . . . the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers told the newspaper that Edge plans to just construct a separate pipe in 2021 without cleaning up after itself. Hansen's department has notified Edge it is violating permits by continuing to "store" its equipment onsite, the paper reported, as well as notified Facebook it had 30 days to pay damages, 180 days to remove their junk or get a new permit, and must accept any liability for the incident.

Don't worry, Edge has determined that it's ok to leave their equipment behind.

/try that next time you get pulled over for speeding: "It's ok officer, I have determined my speeding doesn't pose any harm. Have a great day, I'll be on my way."


Well, it might work, especially if you pull away fast enough.
Cops are used to investigating themselves and finding themselves not guilty, so it might appeal to their logic.
Just move quickly before they catch up and realize that you don't have a blue line.
 
2020-08-14 7:55:56 AM  
No they don't.
 
2020-08-14 8:27:33 AM  

Pert: 6,500 gallons of drilling fluid


They says it's biodegradeable - if it's a water-based drilling mud it may be nothing to worry about.
 
2020-08-14 9:12:12 AM  

orbister: They says it's biodegradeable - if it's a water-based drilling mud it may be nothing to worry about.



If. Chances are the permits & any associated contracts to drill also contained clauses to cement plug & remove any & all equipment, leaving either a wellhead on the sea bed or returning the sea floor to its original state.

I wouldn't be entirely trusting of whichever company half asses this kind of operation.

I think this is the associated permit ref; APP0061616 (https://www.oregon.gov/owrd/program​s/G​WWL/WCC/Pages/FindaWellLog.aspx )

Even if if its not then it is at least indicative of the T's & C's granting consent to drill. Leaving drilling mud down the well - as opposed to removing it & replacing it with seawater - may breach General Construction Condition 11; "Hazardous, toxic, and Waste Material Handling"

Leaving or more correctly storing equipment in & on the sea floor may breach condition 13; "Hazards to Recreation, Navigation or Fishing".

This Farker is going to do some more digging...
 
2020-08-14 9:32:33 AM  
Update; looks like it's all down hole, so at least nothing's left on the seabed. I'd still want to see a subsea survey of how the seabed is looking from a diver or ROV's perspective, though.

Milling out all the casing & tools and plugging the well would be expensive but not impossible. It also looks like the drilling subsidiary may just apply for permission to leave the well in whatever its current abandonded state is.

... and so it goes.
 
2020-08-14 9:37:46 AM  
Zuck can afford to pay some nanny company to clean up his mess, and put away his toys properly.

He's quite the corporate citizen.
 
2020-08-14 10:41:21 AM  

Pert: Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?

Facebook is evil, but I don't see how this warrants anything other than manufactured concern.

People sink all sorts of random crap in the ocean, even on purpose as artificial reefs.

6,500 gallons of drilling fluid


That stuff is non toxic, it normally excapes in the drilling process.
 
2020-08-14 10:46:05 AM  

Aardvark Inc.: Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?


It's never a good idea to encourage drilling or other subsea companies to leave drilling tools, casing or drilling fluids downhole or on the seabed.


They generally don't want to, that stuff is expencive.

Once there's no legal kickback drilling programmes tend to be "Yee-haw!" rather than properly thought ought. The Nigerian delta would like a word.

I'm not saying no regulation, I'm saying some pipe and other stuff that does not cause harm, outside of drilling itself, left underwater is no big deal.
 
2020-08-14 11:17:14 AM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: Aardvark Inc.: Lars The Canadian Viking: Who cares if some random pipe with an expensive drill in it is stuck under the ocean?


It's never a good idea to encourage drilling or other subsea companies to leave drilling tools, casing or drilling fluids downhole or on the seabed.

They generally don't want to, that stuff is expencive.

Once there's no legal kickback drilling programmes tend to be "Yee-haw!" rather than properly thought ought. The Nigerian delta would like a word.

I'm not saying no regulation, I'm saying some pipe and other stuff that does not cause harm, outside of drilling itself, left underwater is no big deal.


That be a bit like hiking in the woods and saying "I have this empty soda can that I don't want to deal with any more. I'll toss it into that underbrush. It won't hurt anything and no one will see it."

I'm sorry, that's not OK.
 
2020-08-14 12:18:55 PM  
Has Facebook ever kept any promise they ever made?
 
2020-08-14 1:41:04 PM  
Firefox would never leave drilling equipment behind.
 
2020-08-14 3:52:01 PM  

Lars The Canadian Viking: That stuff is non toxic


Fine, then you'll have no problem with all 6500 gallons being dumped on your house?

Toxicity is only one issue with industrial waste. Leaving 6500 gallons of anything is going to alter the local ecosystem...
 
2020-08-14 5:27:39 PM  

maestro8: Lars The Canadian Viking: That stuff is non toxic

Fine, then you'll have no problem with all 6500 gallons being dumped on your house?

Toxicity is only one issue with industrial waste. Leaving 6500 gallons of anything is going to alter the local ecosystem...


I was thinking about this earlier. I wonder how Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Mike Schroepfer, or any other of the officers of Facebook would feel if we all took our old refrigerators, washing machines, cars, etc. and dropped them off at their homes. I mean, they aren't hurting anything, right?
 
2020-08-14 7:30:30 PM  
Nobody in Peculiar: I wonder how Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Mike Schroepfer, or any other of the officers of Facebook would feel if we all took our old refrigerators, washing machines, cars, etc. and dropped them off at their homes. I mean, they aren't hurting anything, right?

Dunno about Schroepfer, but pretty sure neither Zuckerberg nor Sandberg have any human feelings whatsoever, the way they're running their company.

And given the fact that the ocean (nor the residents of the nearby town) had no say in this matter, the proper way to conduct this experiment would be to drop off all our junk at their homes first, then ignore whatever it is they say about their feelings.
 
2020-08-14 7:52:15 PM  

maestro8: Nobody in Peculiar: I wonder how Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, Mike Schroepfer, or any other of the officers of Facebook would feel if we all took our old refrigerators, washing machines, cars, etc. and dropped them off at their homes. I mean, they aren't hurting anything, right?

Dunno about Schroepfer, but pretty sure neither Zuckerberg nor Sandberg have any human feelings whatsoever, the way they're running their company.

And given the fact that the ocean (nor the residents of the nearby town) had no say in this matter, the proper way to conduct this experiment would be to drop off all our junk at their homes first, then ignore whatever it is they say about their feelings.


I'm OK with that. It just takes away the opportunity to say "I don't care" when they do express their feelings.
 
2020-08-14 8:20:03 PM  
Fines. When the EPA wasn't a tool for GOP dill baby drillers and Grand Canyon strip mining initiatives they used to pay attention to this kind of shiat.
Perhaps the next administration might be a tiny bit less corrupt, but dont hold your breath.
Facebook is responsible for the availability of the most destructive propaganda machine ever designed, and needs to be eradicated and replaced by a properly moderated model.
One that doesn't kowtow to the market or special interests, and allows free speech through a filter of truth. It can be done, but might be 10% less profitable.
 
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