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2020-08-13 4:15:12 PM  
56 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


All this is most likely true, but, you know, when my house is on fire, with my children still inside, if the asshole neighbor comes over and helps me rescue my kids..I am okay with that.
 
2020-08-13 4:18:00 PM  
39 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


I have no problem with them fighting beside me right now.

But I will not turn my back to them or trust them outside of my line of sight.
 
2020-08-13 4:02:27 PM  
30 votes:
Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.
 
2020-08-13 4:10:11 PM  
21 votes:

weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.


This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.
 
2020-08-13 4:40:16 PM  
19 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


This question has come up multiple times on Fark.

No, no one thinks they are going to be voting Democrat from here on out.


BUT

I'd like to think that I'd vote republican if the dems were running someone this terrible. I'd be voting for the best choice I had. It doesn't make me a hypocrite if I vote dem the next time. That's what the Lincoln people are doing. They are backing the best choice for the country. If they change their mind next time so be it. So what?
 
2020-08-13 4:33:26 PM  
18 votes:
Much like driving, R for reverse, D to go forward.
 
2020-08-13 4:06:53 PM  
17 votes:
So, what the fark's wrong with your buddies and pals?
 
2020-08-13 4:34:30 PM  
15 votes:
Unusually sane comments. One pointed out how it's important that he didn't just say he wasn't going to vote for Trump, but said he was voting for Biden/Harris. That's a big difference, and one that we need to see a lot more of from conservatives that have pull with independents and moderates.
 
2020-08-13 4:35:01 PM  
14 votes:

Chuck87: Needs the "Stupid" tag.


It already says "Republican" right there in the headline.
 
2020-08-13 4:34:18 PM  
13 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: The enemy of my enemy is my friend useful strategic asset.


FTFY. Use them, but do not mistake them for friends.
 
2020-08-13 4:19:07 PM  
11 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.

All this is most likely true, but, you know, when my house is on fire, with my children still inside, if the asshole neighbor comes over and helps me rescue my kids..I am okay with that.


Pretty much; I'm of the mindset they may/will turn back to asshole mode once Biden becomes President.

I'm willing to accept that as much as I am willing to accept their help right now taking Trump down.
 
2020-08-13 5:00:02 PM  
9 votes:
Republicans might be forced to stop being racists as demographics change. They'll need the votes. It's inevitable.

But...they'll never stop being the party of "screw the poor", "make the rich richer", and "power for power's sake".

The entire conservative philosophy is based around greed, and a complete lack of compassion. That won't change.

The ONLY reasons we're seeing some Republicans turn on Trump are:

1) His stupidity is starting to affect their pocketbook in a major way
2) His stupidity is starting to hurt the chances of Republicans getting elected

That's IT. The want someone that can get away of the same kind of greedy, hateful rhetoric and policies, but isn't stupid enough to take the Republican party with him.
 
2020-08-13 4:43:34 PM  
8 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


It's important to keep in mind, if someone is a never-trumper but still a republican, they reject what has happened in politics over the past 4 years, but they support the conditions and decisions that led to those 4 years.
 
2020-08-13 4:01:00 PM  
8 votes:
Unlikely tag?
 
2020-08-13 5:01:09 PM  
7 votes:
Know this about the Lincoln Project or this Republican or any Never Trumper:

They are still Republicans.

They still blame the poor for being poor.  They blame the sick for getting sick.

They believe the rich suffer.  White people suffer.  "Christians" suffer.  Gun owners suffer.

They believe black people and women have advantages over white Christians in America.  That white privilege is a myth.

They still hate brown immigrants.  They still hate black people who get uppity or otherwise don't know their place.  They still hate women who don't know their place.

They are the coat and tie version of the Klan and would send someone to your grandma's house to kill her in her sleep if it meant another tax cut.
 
2020-08-13 4:51:07 PM  
7 votes:
That's where the bar is for being a 'Hero' in the GOP.

Not being a total and complete utter shiat bag, only just mostly being a nearly total and complete utter shiat bag, but dialing back just before actually killing MORE people.
 
2020-08-13 4:49:32 PM  
7 votes:

Iworkformsn: Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.

This question has come up multiple times on Fark.

No, no one thinks they are going to be voting Democrat from here on out.


BUT

I'd like to think that I'd vote republican if the dems were running someone this terrible. I'd be voting for the best choice I had. It doesn't make me a hypocrite if I vote dem the next time. That's what the Lincoln people are doing. They are backing the best choice for the country. If they change their mind next time so be it. So what?


If the Democratic Party ran someone as horrible as Trump for President, I would not be a Democrat any longer. It would indicate a fundamental problem in the party that would not be consistent with a functioning democracy.

The problem with the Lincoln Project guys and this guy here is that they preserve the illusion that GOP is a sane party that's been temporarily co-opted by Trump. When in fact it's a domestic terror front funded by oligarchs and has been for a long time.

I'm also unwilling to call someone a hero for coming late to obvious conclusions and only having a partial understanding of the political environment.
 
2020-08-13 4:58:52 PM  
6 votes:

Sombra warriors: ecmoRandomNumbers: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

This


No.  Not this.  The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less.

But H. Beam Piper's Calvin Morrison, PSP put it best:

"I would like my enemy to have as many enemies as possible."
 
2020-08-13 4:41:43 PM  
6 votes:

Mrtraveler01: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I read the comments, and the Salt Lake Tribune obviously has moderators

Their comment section has always been surprisingly liberal and sane compared to other ones.

I guess it's where all the same people in Utah go to congregate.


Fun fact, the Salt Lake Tribune was originally started to basically troll Mormons.
 
2020-08-13 4:40:32 PM  
6 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


No, the enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but we can temporarily join together to take out the greater threat, just like we allied with Russia to take down Hitler.

But we never trusted them and we were right not to trust them, as we have all seen for the last 70 years.

But they sure chewed through the Nazis when we needed them to.
 
2020-08-13 4:26:34 PM  
6 votes:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
2020-08-13 4:21:26 PM  
6 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


Exactly.

They like all the same things Trump and his minions do, they just wish he was more polite about it
 
2020-08-13 4:53:50 PM  
5 votes:

LarrySouth: austerity101: Dewey Fidalgo: Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.

All this is most likely true, but, you know, when my house is on fire, with my children still inside, if the asshole neighbor comes over and helps me rescue my kids..I am okay with that.

The problem is that Democrats love catering to and capitulating to Republicans already, so the actions by the Lincoln Project basically make them honorary Democrats.  Hell, they're already being involved in meetings, because we can't have nice things.

So this is more like your asshole neighbors come help you rescue your kids, and then to thank them, despite years of making your life miserable by harassing you and your children at every opportunity, you give them a set of keys to your house.

Sadly, 'this guy', and the Lincoln Project, are necessary *because* the Dems haven't developed these statements themselves.

Imagine how effective an in-house LP would have been if the Dems had started back in January 2016...


Democrats can't do cutthroat politics, as a general rule, they suck at it.

The LP are a bunch of bastards and SOBs, they know exactly what makes R's tick because they are R's.
 
2020-08-13 4:49:09 PM  
5 votes:

weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.


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Yes. He hates the blahs.
 
2020-08-13 4:38:57 PM  
5 votes:
The bar seems really low these days.
 
2020-08-13 4:37:37 PM  
5 votes:
The part of the Republican party represented by the column writers and think tanks is incredibly small. They always thought of themselves as movement makers but they never were. They were just feeding a monster they didn't understand or control. This is too little, too late.
 
2020-08-13 4:54:54 PM  
4 votes:

Shostie: Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?


Just because you don't trust them doesn't mean they aren't useful.
 
2020-08-13 4:38:31 PM  
4 votes:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


Well, it's going to be incredibly hard to get neoliberals elected from the party of treason and lawlessness. I suppose it's better to take over the only other party in the country and start using it to keep the neoliberal agenda on track.
 
2020-08-13 5:28:40 PM  
3 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: The enemy of my enemy is my friend enemy's enemy.


Politics and war make strange bedfellows.
 
2020-08-13 4:56:23 PM  
3 votes:
If Mormons have issues with Trumps character and behavior--as the supposedly did back in 2016--they could have run a Mormon candidate, as they did in 2016, to give Mormons an acceptable alternative.  And deny Trump Utah's 9 electoral votes.
 
2020-08-13 4:36:08 PM  
3 votes:

mpirooz: Unusually sane comments. One pointed out how it's important that he didn't just say he wasn't going to vote for Trump, but said he was voting for Biden/Harris. That's a big difference, and one that we need to see a lot more of from conservatives that have pull with independents and moderates.


The 'progressives' are still jerking off over the Pelosi hate thread below.
 
2020-08-13 4:32:38 PM  
3 votes:
America, where doing your farking job makes you a hero.
 
2020-08-13 6:46:55 PM  
2 votes:

stoli n coke: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

It's Utah. They believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people.


Yeah, but he never changed His mind about the whole "treat others as you would want to be treated" thing.

So they still got a whole lot of 'splaining when they get to the Pearly Gates.
 
2020-08-13 6:30:06 PM  
2 votes:

Mikey1969: Asa Phelps: Trump only got 45.54% of the vote in Utah in 2016, with McMuffin getting 21.54% of the vote - basically the portion of voting mormons who wouldn't vote for Hillary but didn't want to vote for Trump either.

I don't expect Utah to turn blue any time this century, but Trump's support in Utah has probably eroded.

As for the nevertrumpers, they're infiltrating the democratic party and driving it further to the right.

As I said in my earlier post, they're pretty damned polite and as we already know, religious. His antics already didn't make them happy, as you noted. And it definitely has gone down from there. As red as Utah is, I think I've seen 3 MAGA hats, and only 2-3 trucks with the Trump flag the entire time he's been President. If McMullin ran again, Donnie would probably lose Utah. Not sure how they'll feel about Biden, but McMullin could definitely inflict the damage he tried for the last time.


I'm in Orem. There are plenty of MAGAts down here. I think I'm actually in one of the redder precincts in Orem as well.

There's a dipshiat with a 90's BMW 3-series with the "DPLORABL" or something for his license plate. I've seen the punisher-trump sticker in the wild more than a couple times. 

There might not be near as much enthusiastic support as there was 4 years ago. But 538 says trump is currently at 48.2% in utah, 11 points and change above Biden.
 
2020-08-13 6:17:44 PM  
2 votes:
Trump only got 45.54% of the vote in Utah in 2016, with McMuffin getting 21.54% of the vote - basically the portion of voting mormons who wouldn't vote for Hillary but didn't want to vote for Trump either.

I don't expect Utah to turn blue any time this century, but Trump's support in Utah has probably eroded.

As for the nevertrumpers, they're infiltrating the democratic party and driving it further to the right.
 
2020-08-13 5:22:35 PM  
2 votes:
I will be voting early with a mail-in ballot for the Biden/Harris ticket. I encourage others to do the same.

I sure hope that you at least drop it directly at the Post Office. Even better, one of the direct Poll Boxes they will have set up. But Yay for us in Utah, having mail-in voting be automatic when you register to vote. And Yay for having the option to still vote in-person if that is your wont.
 
2020-08-13 5:07:37 PM  
2 votes:
"Sen. Harris matches Joe Biden's left-leaning political positions..."

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2020-08-13 5:07:08 PM  
2 votes:
None of these people have earned trust, but if you cannot learn over the course of your life than you have wasted what opportunities you've been given. Everyone starts from a different place. Maybe this guy was fed stupid-ass nonsense from birth and is finally realizing that following those fairy tales blindly ends in something horrific.

I'm not going to call someone a hero for making the blindingly obvious choice to try to save this country from oblivion, but if they're walking with us right now that's better than the alternative.
 
2020-08-13 4:49:11 PM  
2 votes:

austerity101: Dewey Fidalgo: Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.

All this is most likely true, but, you know, when my house is on fire, with my children still inside, if the asshole neighbor comes over and helps me rescue my kids..I am okay with that.

The problem is that Democrats love catering to and capitulating to Republicans already, so the actions by the Lincoln Project basically make them honorary Democrats.  Hell, they're already being involved in meetings, because we can't have nice things.

So this is more like your asshole neighbors come help you rescue your kids, and then to thank them, despite years of making your life miserable by harassing you and your children at every opportunity, you give them a set of keys to your house.


Sadly, 'this guy', and the Lincoln Project, are necessary *because* the Dems haven't developed these statements themselves.

Imagine how effective an in-house LP would have been if the Dems had started back in January 2016...
 
2020-08-13 4:42:48 PM  
2 votes:

Iworkformsn: Mrtraveler01: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I read the comments, and the Salt Lake Tribune obviously has moderators

Their comment section has always been surprisingly liberal and sane compared to other ones.

I guess it's where all the same people in Utah go to congregate.

Fun fact, the Salt Lake Tribune was originally started to basically troll Mormons.


Considering the other "newspaper" there is basically a glorified newsletter for the LDS, I'm not surprised.
 
2020-08-13 4:42:32 PM  
2 votes:

Dewey Fidalgo: Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.

All this is most likely true, but, you know, when my house is on fire, with my children still inside, if the asshole neighbor comes over and helps me rescue my kids..I am okay with that.


The problem is that Democrats love catering to and capitulating to Republicans already, so the actions by the Lincoln Project basically make them honorary Democrats.  Hell, they're already being involved in meetings, because we can't have nice things.

So this is more like your asshole neighbors come help you rescue your kids, and then to thank them, despite years of making your life miserable by harassing you and your children at every opportunity, you give them a set of keys to your house.
 
2020-08-13 4:36:50 PM  
2 votes:

weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.



Can't transfer and horde the people's wealth if the republic asplodes.  No doubt they'll be back to whining about socialism in a year or two.
 
2020-08-13 4:36:27 PM  
2 votes:

weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.


It's Utah. They believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people.
 
2020-08-13 4:36:00 PM  
2 votes:

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I read the comments, and the Salt Lake Tribune obviously has moderators


Their comment section has always been surprisingly liberal and sane compared to other ones.

I guess it's where all the same people in Utah go to congregate.
 
2020-08-13 4:34:07 PM  
2 votes:
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2020-08-13 11:33:04 PM  
1 vote:

flondrix: Mikey1969: Asa Phelps: Trump only got 45.54% of the vote in Utah in 2016, with McMuffin getting 21.54% of the vote - basically the portion of voting mormons who wouldn't vote for Hillary but didn't want to vote for Trump either.

I don't expect Utah to turn blue any time this century, but Trump's support in Utah has probably eroded.

As for the nevertrumpers, they're infiltrating the democratic party and driving it further to the right.

As I said in my earlier post, they're pretty damned polite and as we already know, religious. His antics already didn't make them happy, as you noted. And it definitely has gone down from there. As red as Utah is, I think I've seen 3 MAGA hats, and only 2-3 trucks with the Trump flag the entire time he's been President. If McMullin ran again, Donnie would probably lose Utah. Not sure how they'll feel about Biden, but McMullin could definitely inflict the damage he tried for the last time.

But that's the problem.  There is no Mormon Third Option running this time.  Trump will win Utah again, even though this time the Mormons supposedly really do have a problem with him.


I know, but in its own way, it's satisfying to see Donnie's numbers drop that much. It really gives me hope for the rest of the country. Donnie is only 3 points higher than he was in 2016 and that's without someone to split the ticket. If he'd gotten all of McMullin's votes, that's like an 18%drop.
 
2020-08-13 7:44:57 PM  
1 vote:

Chuck87: Needs the "Stupid" tag.


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Done.
 
2020-08-13 5:51:04 PM  
1 vote:

Shostie: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

This is something that I've been reflecting on with this and the Lincoln Project.

Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?

I mean, it's great that they're joining to fight but these are the same assholes as before.


The hardcore republican Never Trumpers, no. The millions of people they influence, maybe.

I can't find the video, but it's one of those RVAT videos, and this lifelong republican, said something that gives me a twinge of hope. She said she was ready to help others, and maybe ready to be a democrat.

Maybe I'm being naive, but odds are, a few may become lifelong democratic, or at least, better republicans. Shifting the republican party left is just as effective as getting them to join the democrats.
 
2020-08-13 5:17:43 PM  
1 vote:
But I saw on Fox News from their paid contributors that it was in fact the Dems who are "walking away"
 
2020-08-13 5:14:56 PM  
1 vote:
Can we get a "rats leaving a sinking ship" tag?

Maybe a piece of cheese that says "Rats"
 
2020-08-13 5:04:09 PM  
1 vote:

flondrix: If Mormons have issues with Trumps character and behavior--as the supposedly did back in 2016--they could have run a Mormon candidate, as they did in 2016, to give Mormons an acceptable alternative.  And deny Trump Utah's 9 electoral votes.


Fun fact, in 2016, in Utah, I voted for McMuffin because I thought dissatisfied Mormons would vote for him before they would vote for Clinton, and thus had a better chance of keeping our electors from Trump with him rather than with her. Didn't work out, but I still think my underlying logic was sound, just not enough of the Mormons ended up jumping ship.
 
2020-08-13 4:57:51 PM  
1 vote:
I'm not sure that dawning sanity deserves a Hero tag, but we are going to see a lot of folks cross the aisle on this one.

Sarah Palin made me quit the damn party entirely, and I gave up on trying to turn the tide with that brand of stoopid, but Baby Steps, I guess.
 
2020-08-13 4:55:57 PM  
1 vote:

ukexpat: And then he had to go and throw god in there, didn't he.


Utah Republicans are a wholly owned subsidiary of the LDS church.
 
2020-08-13 4:52:10 PM  
1 vote:

Shostie: Does anyone really think these Never Trumpers are going to start consistently voting for Democratic candidates from here on out?


That all depends on how well or poorly Democrats run the show.
 
2020-08-13 4:50:21 PM  
1 vote:

ecmoRandomNumbers: The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


This
 
2020-08-13 4:40:13 PM  
1 vote:
good for him.
published too!

my goodness, it appears that he's run out of things to give.
 
2020-08-13 4:39:01 PM  
1 vote:

stoli n coke: weddingsinger: Hero?  Probably not.

Don't forget, he's still a Republican which means he hates the blahs and wants the poors to suffer.

It's Utah. They believe that in 1978, God changed his mind about black people.


Black people!

/why is everyone looking at me so weird?
 
2020-08-13 4:36:36 PM  
1 vote:
And then he had to go and throw god in there, didn't he.
 
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