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847 clicks; posted to Business » on 13 Aug 2020 at 7:15 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-08-13 7:54:54 PM  
Remember when 'gig' apps were meant to be, "Oh hey, I've got 40 minutes to kill, so I'm going to make a few extra bucks" instead of "I'm going to make this my full time career."
 
2020-08-13 8:24:02 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Remember when 'gig' apps were meant to be, "Oh hey, I've got 40 minutes to kill, so I'm going to make a few extra bucks" instead of "I'm going to make this my full time career."


No, but I remember when these companies portrayed it that way to avoid having to pay them properly

/I believe that was day one of their existence
 
2020-08-13 8:36:21 PM  
These were not meant to be full time jobs. Sorry folk
 
2020-08-13 8:36:37 PM  

soupafi: These were not meant to be full time jobs. Sorry folk


Folks
 
2020-08-13 8:40:31 PM  
Titties!!
 
2020-08-13 8:55:29 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Remember when 'gig' apps were meant to be, "Oh hey, I've got 40 minutes to kill, so I'm going to make a few extra bucks" instead of "I'm going to make this my full time career."


Yep. Oh, I'm lol just do this to make an extra few bucks a week. Wait a minute. I like just driving around. I should make 30k plus and benefits to do because, well, I want to.
 
2020-08-13 9:23:06 PM  
Well that is a 1099 not a w2. Also drunk drivers everywhere appreciate this ruling.

California ruins everything. In my area its "Axe needs a short ride!" But he'll tip me way more than gas and time! Even had drivers ask me to hit em up on their personal phones, he'll even met a couple of their kids. But I friggen want documentation of where my body ended up
 
2020-08-13 10:03:34 PM  

Axeofjudgement: Well that is a 1099 not a w2. Also drunk drivers everywhere appreciate this ruling.

California ruins everything. In my area its "Axe needs a short ride!" But he'll tip me way more than gas and time! Even had drivers ask me to hit em up on their personal phones, he'll even met a couple of their kids. But I friggen want documentation of where my body ended up


We already have taxis. There was even a show about them and a movie about one of their drivers.

Problem is, none of those rides were subsidized by investors looking to bust out an industry and obtain a monopoly... where they could then charge anything they wanted.

Two options remain if they pay and treat drivers as employees... 1) eat more and bigger losses to bust out taxi and delivery services or 2) raise prices to keep subsidies low(ish)

Problem is, they'd need hundreds of billions to achieve a monopoly with option #1, and could never with option #2.

Their best path for survival would be to license their app to taxi companies for a fee or pct and charge market rates for other delivery services.
 
2020-08-13 10:15:26 PM  
Unsustainable business model without shennanigans......
 
2020-08-13 11:10:24 PM  
Cubansaltyballs:

Their best path for survival would be to license their app to taxi companies for a fee or pct and charge market rates for other delivery services.

Too late, there's an app called "Curb" (at least around here) that does it. I've used it a few times, works just fine. Bonus: no "surge" pricing.
 
2020-08-13 11:45:41 PM  
[...]which came one day after the heads of both companies said that they will be forced to shut down service if Monday's injunction isn't overturned.

Oh no. That's unfortunate.
 
2020-08-13 11:58:33 PM  

Some Junkie Cosmonaut: DeathByGeekSquad: Remember when 'gig' apps were meant to be, "Oh hey, I've got 40 minutes to kill, so I'm going to make a few extra bucks" instead of "I'm going to make this my full time career."

No, but I remember when these companies portrayed it that way to avoid having to pay them properly

/I believe that was day one of their existence


I don't recall you being a mindreader, but you appear to be portraying yourself that way so it must be true.
 
2020-08-14 12:27:40 AM  
They're exploiting the hell out of workers, any change to the status quo is a good thing. No Uber, you don't deserve 45% of the cost of a ride, gfy
 
2020-08-14 12:33:09 AM  
Another case of job-killing regulations stopping companies from creating new and innovative ways to screw their employees.
 
2020-08-14 2:33:41 AM  
Taxis suck but at least the drivers got fair pay. Maybe the experience of having their asses handed to them by new competition will teach them to provide better service in the future. Naw, never going to happen.
 
2020-08-14 2:47:27 AM  

wax_on: Taxis suck but at least the drivers got fair pay. Maybe the experience of having their asses handed to them by new competition will teach them to provide better service in the future. Naw, never going to happen.


There's a non-zero chance it'll happen. Which is better odds than Uber/Lyft/Doordash treating their drivers as anything other than disposable subhuman workers
 
2020-08-14 4:13:50 AM  
I'd rather carjack people than go back to using taxis. Every interaction I have ever had with a cab company was bad. Watch drunk driving deaths explode after this ruling.
 
2020-08-14 9:14:58 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: Axeofjudgement: Well that is a 1099 not a w2. Also drunk drivers everywhere appreciate this ruling.

California ruins everything. In my area its "Axe needs a short ride!" But he'll tip me way more than gas and time! Even had drivers ask me to hit em up on their personal phones, he'll even met a couple of their kids. But I friggen want documentation of where my body ended up

We already have taxis. There was even a show about them and a movie about one of their drivers.

Problem is, none of those rides were subsidized by investors looking to bust out an industry and obtain a monopoly... where they could then charge anything they wanted.

Two options remain if they pay and treat drivers as employees... 1) eat more and bigger losses to bust out taxi and delivery services or 2) raise prices to keep subsidies low(ish)

Problem is, they'd need hundreds of billions to achieve a monopoly with option #1, and could never with option #2.

Their best path for survival would be to license their app to taxi companies for a fee or pct and charge market rates for other delivery services.


So, what you are saying, is that Taxi service was just too big to fail and that they should just drop their model, and join the taxi racket, with the taxi drivers and fark the idea that taxis, as a business plan and model needed and still needs to be stomped out like the fire of a young person, ready to face the world?
Brilliant!
 
2020-08-14 9:17:33 AM  

wax_on: Taxis suck but at least the drivers got fair pay. Maybe the experience of having their asses handed to them by new competition will teach them to provide better service in the future. Naw, never going to happen.


fair pay? How the fark do you figure that one?

Have you even spoken to a cabby? One who wasnt farking coked out of their mind because they have to sit in that car for 14+ hours a day just to cover the lease, insurance and taxi company vig?

Ever tried to speak to a cabby at the airport?
 
2020-08-14 9:58:14 AM  
"Lyft and Uber are not profitable."

Both Uber and Lyft have pledged to spend more than a hundred million dollars to support a November ballot measure, Proposition 22, that would exempt them from AB5. Pictured: Drivers protest the proposition on August 6 in Los Angeles .

I can't imagine why.
 
2020-08-14 10:51:09 AM  

brizzle365: Cubansaltyballs: Axeofjudgement: Well that is a 1099 not a w2. Also drunk drivers everywhere appreciate this ruling.

California ruins everything. In my area its "Axe needs a short ride!" But he'll tip me way more than gas and time! Even had drivers ask me to hit em up on their personal phones, he'll even met a couple of their kids. But I friggen want documentation of where my body ended up

We already have taxis. There was even a show about them and a movie about one of their drivers.

Problem is, none of those rides were subsidized by investors looking to bust out an industry and obtain a monopoly... where they could then charge anything they wanted.

Two options remain if they pay and treat drivers as employees... 1) eat more and bigger losses to bust out taxi and delivery services or 2) raise prices to keep subsidies low(ish)

Problem is, they'd need hundreds of billions to achieve a monopoly with option #1, and could never with option #2.

Their best path for survival would be to license their app to taxi companies for a fee or pct and charge market rates for other delivery services.

So, what you are saying, is that Taxi service was just too big to fail and that they should just drop their model, and join the taxi racket, with the taxi drivers and fark the idea that taxis, as a business plan and model needed and still needs to be stomped out like the fire of a young person, ready to face the world?
Brilliant!


No, I'm saying Uber and lyft are not actually competitive because their price advantage comes from breaking the law.

And they know it too. That's why they won't be doing rides if they have to operate within the law.
 
2020-08-14 11:16:39 AM  

soupafi: These were not meant to be full time jobs.


Part-time employment all the way down to 0.25 hours a pay period still has regulations and protections for workers.
 
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