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2538 clicks; posted to Politics » on 13 Aug 2020 at 5:06 PM (11 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-08-13 12:54:09 PM  
Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.
 
2020-08-13 12:59:17 PM  
What with the crippled USPS, it doesn't really matter that much now.

CHECK your registration status and fix it if need be.
GO to the EARLY VOTING SITES (if any) the day they open and stand in line as long as it takes.
Bring ID, voter registration cards, bills, passports and birth certificates - be prepared for challenges.
Watch your vote get put in the locked box.
 
2020-08-13 1:20:06 PM  

dionysusaur: What with the crippled USPS, it doesn't really matter that much now.

CHECK your registration status and fix it if need be.
GO to the EARLY VOTING SITES (if any) the day they open and stand in line as long as it takes.
Bring ID, voter registration cards, bills, passports and birth certificates - be prepared for challenges.
Watch your vote get put in the locked box.


Thank God I live in a sane state that uses paper ballots and signature verification. It takes me less than 20 minutes to vote
 
2020-08-13 1:24:00 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.


Yeah, all it means is that battleground states currently controlled by Republicans will no longer be battleground states.
 
2020-08-13 5:09:50 PM  

dionysusaur: What with the crippled USPS, it doesn't really matter that much now.

CHECK your registration status and fix it if need be.
GO to the EARLY VOTING SITES (if any) the day they open and stand in line as long as it takes.
Bring ID, voter registration cards, bills, passports and birth certificates - be prepared for challenges.
Watch your vote get put in the locked box.


Also, if available, sign up for ballot updates. I get emailed when mine is picked up and after someone accepts my ballot/signature. I literally get an email "your vote counted."

/believing that it was really counted is an exercise in faith
 
2020-08-13 5:10:29 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.


Georgia is going to run its own election, with voter suppression and blackjack and hookers!
 
2020-08-13 5:12:58 PM  
Yeah this is definitely one of those rulings that can cut both ways lol
 
2020-08-13 5:13:04 PM  

red230: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.

Georgia is going to run its own election, with voter suppression and blackjack and hookers!


Also Ohio and Iowa.
 
2020-08-13 5:16:27 PM  
IIRC, it's a pretty cut-and-dry matter that the states run their own elections as they see fit, actual unconstitutional measures not-withstanding.
 
2020-08-13 5:17:30 PM  

Scruffynerf: red230: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.

Georgia is going to run its own election, with voter suppression and blackjack and hookers!

Also Ohio and Iowa.


And Texas. And Wisconsin and North Carolina, since their legislature is gerrymandered to all hell.
 
2020-08-13 5:18:54 PM  

Peter Weyland: IIRC, it's a pretty cut-and-dry matter that the states run their own elections as they see fit, actual unconstitutional measures not-withstanding.


That means that Trump should lose all those lawsuits that he filed against Nevada et al. concerning mail-in voting, right?

If so, spiffy it is.
 
2020-08-13 5:19:09 PM  
I plan to hand deliver my mail-in ballot to a locked drop box somewhere. If the Postmaster Traitor keeps me from getting it in the first place, I believe my county allows early voting in person.
 
2020-08-13 5:19:22 PM  
I dont see where scotus has anything to say about US constitutionality on this.   States are free to set elections however they want baring US law.
 
2020-08-13 5:20:32 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.


Thanks to the federal nature of our government, states have amazing leeway when it comes to elections.  Constitutionally speaking, there's actually no requirement for a Presidential election at all.  The President is chosen by the Electoral College, and the Electors who make up the college are chosen by the governments of the various states.  It's customary for a state to hold a popular vote to decide which party's slate of Electors gets sent forward to the College, but it isn't actually required.  Under the Constitution, a state government, acting on behalf of the public who elected it, could just decide to choose a slate of electors for itself.  (This is what happened in Florida in 2000, which is why George W. Bush became President instead of Al Gore.)
 
2020-08-13 5:20:38 PM  
The court did not publish the vote tally for the order, but Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch said they would have stayed a district judge's order that the witness requirements be waived for the upcoming elections.

What a shock.
 
2020-08-13 5:23:50 PM  
I foresee with the push towards universal mail ballot that the dems might start kissing union butts again.  Well maybe just the APWU
 
2020-08-13 5:24:51 PM  

dionysusaur: What with the crippled USPS, it doesn't really matter that much now.

CHECK your registration status and fix it if need be.
GO to the EARLY VOTING SITES (if any) the day they open and stand in line as long as it takes.
Bring ID, voter registration cards, bills, passports and birth certificates - be prepared for challenges.
Watch your vote get put in the locked box.


https://vote.gov/
THIS.  CHECK YOUR STATUS *NOW* AND ACT ACCORDINGLY.

Voting EARLY (and this year, voting ABSENTEE) has always been better than standing in some ridiculous line on election day. Just do whatever the f*ck it takes to vote.
 
2020-08-13 5:27:51 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.


Exactly, I'd much rather have a federal standard that applies to all elections than good elections in Cali or Washington and piss poor ones in GA and Al
 
2020-08-13 5:27:54 PM  

dionysusaur: What with the crippled USPS, it doesn't really matter that much now.

CHECK your registration status and fix it if need be.
GO to the EARLY VOTING SITES (if any) the day they open and stand in line as long as it takes.
Bring ID, voter registration cards, bills, passports and birth certificates - be prepared for challenges.
Watch your vote get put in the locked box.


Nope, I'm dropping it at one of the absentee ballot drop boxes, TYVM.

And any "challenges" won't be met. There is not Voter ID requirement in my state, so if anyone demands one, they aren't anyone I have to listen to.

And I thought that this was already established as a state issue to begin with?
 
2020-08-13 5:30:13 PM  

Peter Weyland: IIRC, it's a pretty cut-and-dry matter that the states run their own elections as they see fit, actual unconstitutional measures not-withstanding.


Article 1, Section 4: Elections

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
 
2020-08-13 5:35:35 PM  
"... The authority of state legislators in establishing election laws has been undermined."
I think the RI repubs don't understand "states rights" that they fight so hard *snicker* for.
 
2020-08-13 5:40:29 PM  

Mouser: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.

Thanks to the federal nature of our government, states have amazing leeway when it comes to elections.  Constitutionally speaking, there's actually no requirement for a Presidential election at all.  The President is chosen by the Electoral College, and the Electors who make up the college are chosen by the governments of the various states.  It's customary for a state to hold a popular vote to decide which party's slate of Electors gets sent forward to the College, but it isn't actually required.  Under the Constitution, a state government, acting on behalf of the public who elected it, could just decide to choose a slate of electors for itself.  (This is what happened in Florida in 2000, which is why George W. Bush became President instead of Al Gore.)


That isn't what happened.  The Republican-held legislature threatened to do it.  Even did victory laps about how we were all peons who deserved no say in the election and they, as the plantation owners, would decide.  But SCOTUS made the point moot by stopping the recount before Gore could get a lead.  The Florida electors were chosen based on that election result.  But the legislature did not pick them (though I am pretty sure the Florida legislature would have appointed Bush's electors if Gore had won the recount).

/God that was a shiatshow
//The capitol building and the FLSCOTUS building are separated by a secondary arterial.
///Every damn morning news reporters would try to stand themselves right sprang in the middle of said street as morning rush reached its peak.
////God, I came damn close to icing some news crews on general principle.
//It was such a shiatshow I used five slashies. Fark you, fight me.
 
2020-08-13 5:49:21 PM  
Guys?

The Supreme Court has also ruled that state legislatures can unilaterally pick slates of electors, without regard to the outcome of its popular vote.

The majority of state legislatures are in GOP hands, and that's not going to change between now and the date the 2020 electors cast their votes.

Prepare accordingly.
 
2020-08-13 6:02:14 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Given how un-democratic and corrupt some states are, I don't see how this is universally spiffy.


The court didn't say that any state can do whatever it wants with elections. They said that since Rhode Island supports the people that sued them to get rid of the two witnesses requirement, Republicans lack an interest in stepping in and getting in the way. The ruling seems very specific to this situation.
 
2020-08-13 6:07:12 PM  

Walker: The court did not publish the vote tally for the order, but Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch said they would have stayed a district judge's order that the witness requirements be waived for the upcoming elections.

What a shock.


Was Clarence Thomas one of the votes that did away with the Voting Rights Act?
 
2020-08-13 6:11:12 PM  

PiperArrow: Peter Weyland: IIRC, it's a pretty cut-and-dry matter that the states run their own elections as they see fit, actual unconstitutional measures not-withstanding.

Article 1, Section 4: Elections

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.


Huh.  When Article 1 was written, only Representatives were elected (along with state and local governments, presumably).  Later, the 17th amendment allowed the election of Senators, but that text wouldn't have appeared in Article 1.
 
2020-08-13 6:25:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Thank God I live in a sane state that uses paper ballots and signature verification. It takes me less than 20 minutes to vote


Don't even have to leave my house except to drop the ballot off, mail it (prepaid postage) or drop it in a ballot box.

I can't think of a more secure system than every registered* voter getting a ballot mailed to them, to be returned with their signature** on it.  Does the signature match what is on file? Good, count it.

* The voter registration is tied to DMV records, so when you update DMV, voter registration automatically follows.
**You sign above a printed version of your signature as it is in the records, generally your full name.
 
2020-08-13 6:36:20 PM  
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