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2020-08-13 3:23:57 PM  
Good.  We need to spend more time floating ideas like UBI.  People are becoming more receptive to ideas like it, and I think we need to keep working to shift the Overton Window
 
2020-08-13 4:10:43 PM  
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2020-08-13 5:41:14 PM  
Sam Sweet tried to keep Andrew Yang down, but he persisted

"Asian gang".. "I'm pretty sure it was... Asian."
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2020-08-13 8:15:12 PM  
That's... actually kinda neat.

His is a voice I greatly appreciate, even though I thought he should've gone into politics a little farther down the Responsibility Ladder than President.  Listening to him continue to talk makes me appreciate him even more.  He has his platform now, and he's gonna use it to say some pretty important things.

Not all the things he says are "confirmed correct", but they need to be part of the conversation.  UBI is just a part of that.

Basically, I don't think I'm ready for Yang's to be the direction of the entire party, but if they're willing to bring his voice into the tent, that's a net plus in my book.
 
2020-08-13 8:15:59 PM  
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2020-08-13 8:16:39 PM  
They no ask best Asian Uncle Roger; big mistake so sad
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2020-08-13 8:21:26 PM  
Yang was my third choice behind Warren and Bernie. The guy is starting conversations now that will be an issue 10 or 20 years from now. His voice needs to be heard regardless of anybody's personal opinion of the guy, because it is going to come up sooner than we realize. I care more about Yang's opinions than I do Michael Bloomberg's that is for damn sure. The DNC needs to embrace Yang because he is a problem solver.
 
2020-08-13 8:22:33 PM  
Wow!!  Heard him on JRE and liked a his outlook.
 
2020-08-13 8:26:07 PM  
UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.
 
2020-08-13 8:26:59 PM  
He should be trying to speak at the Libertarian convention.
More networking opportunities and sad techie types to sell sex robots to.
 
2020-08-13 8:31:16 PM  
Democrats found room for Republicans like Bloomberg and Kasich, but couldn't find rooms for guys like Yang and Castro... Dems go on about Republicans overt racism, and they're right that the GOP is racist AF, but Democrats sure do like to hide away people of color with ideas a few months ahead of their time. Yang was all about UBI before COVID when everyone else started talking about it, and Castro was way out in front talking about the need for police reform well before the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor murders.
 
2020-08-13 8:32:38 PM  

HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.


Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?
 
2020-08-13 8:32:43 PM  
I am 100x more cool with Yang having a chance to speak than Bloomberg.  He's no phony and actually brings fresh ideas to the table.
 
2020-08-13 8:39:18 PM  
Good job Andrew Yang. We as a country need voices like his.
 
2020-08-13 8:43:14 PM  

firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?


It is a really long list of countries that have it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of​_​countries_with_universal_health_care

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2020-08-13 8:43:58 PM  

firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?


I think you missed the joke.
 
2020-08-13 8:45:14 PM  

firefly212: Democrats found room for Republicans like Bloomberg and Kasich, but couldn't find rooms for guys like Yang and Castro... Dems go on about Republicans overt racism, and they're right that the GOP is racist AF, but Democrats sure do like to hide away people of color with ideas a few months ahead of their time. Yang was all about UBI before COVID when everyone else started talking about it, and Castro was way out in front talking about the need for police reform well before the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor murders.


Wait, Castro isn't speaking?
 
2020-08-13 8:58:24 PM  
Did they give him more than the 60 seconds they gave to AOC?
 
2020-08-13 9:03:23 PM  

Naido: Good.  We need to spend more time floating ideas like UBI.  People are becoming more receptive to ideas like it, and I think we need to keep working to shift the Overton Window


Shoot, I've read a conservative argue for UBI before.  The rationale bring you could get rid of welfare, social security, unemployment, etc. and deliver the same benefit for cheaper with less government involvement.

They'll disavow it, though, when it does become a real issue.  Like they denied Obamacare, which came from Romneycare in Massachusetts, which in turn came from a Heritage Foundation recommendation 30 years ago.
 
2020-08-13 9:21:47 PM  

Naido: Good.  We need to spend more time floating ideas like UBI.  People are becoming more receptive to ideas like it, and I think we need to keep working to shift the Overton Window


Exactly, if progressives keep talking about their ideas, it'll sway more people, especially in this economic crisis. If you want Joe to push Progressive ideas, the Progressive wing needs to get the people on board and that will ensure Joe goes with it. We saw what happened when you try to pass good legislation without people knowing about it. (Obamacare) The more we get on board the basic social safety net ideas, the louder the pressure on the old guard to start pushing more Progressive measures.

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.

With Republicans imploding into a regional party, all eyes will be on the DNC. People are looking to what the Biden and the Democrats are offering. This is the perfect opportunity to push Progressive agenda items to get it on people's minds and discussing it.
 
2020-08-13 9:23:14 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Shoot, I've read a conservative argue for UBI before.  The rationale bring you could get rid of welfare, social security, unemployment, etc. and deliver the same benefit for cheaper with less government involvement.


This is actually what Yang himself was arguing--that it would save money by getting rid of other forms of welfare.  It's a horrible argument, though, because we still need those other things.  UBI can't be used to gut the rest of the social safety net--especially not in a country that has basically no other citizen protections, including universal healthcare.
 
2020-08-13 9:25:27 PM  

firefly212: Democrats found room for Republicans like Bloomberg and Kasich, but couldn't find rooms for guys like Yang and Castro... Dems go on about Republicans overt racism, and they're right that the GOP is racist AF, but Democrats sure do like to hide away people of color with ideas a few months ahead of their time. Yang was all about UBI before COVID when everyone else started talking about it, and Castro was way out in front talking about the need for police reform well before the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor murders.


A Warren/Castro ticket would've been pretty awesome. I think they hit off on an alliance pretty early on in the primary. I hope they continue that in Congress.

Oh shiat... Senate Majority Leader Warren and Speaker of the House Castro....

/I may need a minute....
 
2020-08-13 9:28:00 PM  
Biden should make Yang the head of the Department of Labor.

I'll admit, at first I thought Yang was kind of a joke candidate. I thought maybe he was promoting a book.

But he rapidly gained my respect. Similar to someone above, Yang became my fourth choice after (1) Warren, (2) Castro, (3) Bernie (with gratitude for his own work to expand political conversations, then (4) Yang.

Ironically, the interaction between he and Klobuchar raised my respect for her as well. Her political positions were so conservative, not in the modern racist Republican sense, but in the old-school over-cautious, don't try to change too much too fast sense. Like Buttigieg, she seemed in favor of raging on behalf of the machine. But Yang made her laugh out loud revealing a genuine quality about her.

On the other hand, the idea of Buttigieg - a married, gay, man and an open Christian appealed greatly to me in the beginning. The more I watched the debates, the more I read about him; the less impressed I was with his positions. There were times when he came across as mean spirited. Ultimately, he just seemed too full of himself given his status as a mayor of a medium sized flyover city. He is one of the few that I preferred less than Biden.

If we had to have someone with Biden's cautious policies, I would have preferred someone younger. So, in no particular order, after the four people named above, I preferred Booker, Harris, and Klobuchar.

My ideal though would have been a Warren/Castro ticket. That said, I hope neither Bernie nor Warren nor anyone else over the age of 65 runs in 2024.
 
2020-08-13 9:29:01 PM  

firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?


That's what he's proposing. We just don't change the names. Keep the names people are familiar with. You're never gonna cut Medicare. But ooga booga Universal Healthcare or Socialized Medicine is scary!

UBI is just what social security does. Drop the age limit, same damn thing.

We know what the third rails are in politics. Just expand them instead of making a whole new program. Sell it as an expansion of Medicare. No one will piss and moan because that doesn't sell to voters.

/There. I just did a Progressive version of the Southern Strategy to beat Republicans
//Democratic campaigns, call me. I will gladly be your guru
 
2020-08-13 9:32:23 PM  

somedude210: firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?

That's what he's proposing. We just don't change the names. Keep the names people are familiar with. You're never gonna cut Medicare. But ooga booga Universal Healthcare or Socialized Medicine is scary!

UBI is just what social security does. Drop the age limit, same damn thing.

We know what the third rails are in politics. Just expand them instead of making a whole new program. Sell it as an expansion of Medicare. No one will piss and moan because that doesn't sell to voters.

/There. I just did a Progressive version of the Southern Strategy to beat Republicans
//Democratic campaigns, call me. I will gladly be your guru


I say we rename it AmeriCare.  Catchy, easy, patriotic.
 
2020-08-13 9:52:02 PM  

Weatherkiss: Yang was my third choice behind Warren and Bernie. The guy is starting conversations now that will be an issue 10 or 20 years from now. His voice needs to be heard regardless of anybody's personal opinion of the guy, because it is going to come up sooner than we realize. I care more about Yang's opinions than I do Michael Bloomberg's that is for damn sure. The DNC needs to embrace Yang because he is a problem solver.


I'm not as convinced that his timing is right, but he definitely talks about future issues that most other candidates probably don't even acknowledge.  Infinitely better than the RW cumdumpsters Dems happily backslap with.

/not even convinced his solutions are correct, but the conversations need to be had so we can draw out as much info as possible
 
2020-08-13 9:52:31 PM  

somedude210: Naido:

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.


Progressives know how to sell their ideas. The problem is they are perpetually sabotaged by concerned centrists who borrow from the Republican playbook and drown out the sales pitch by braying about the all-important national deficit and bullshiat like "How are we going to pay for it?"

While at the same time carrying republican water and throwing trillions of dollars away on a worthless war in Iraq.

They know what progressives are selling works. They just don't care. They answer to moneyed interests.
 
2020-08-13 9:53:20 PM  

Bruscar: Biden should make Yang the head of the Department of Labor.

I'll admit, at first I thought Yang was kind of a joke candidate. I thought maybe he was promoting a book.

But he rapidly gained my respect. Similar to someone above, Yang became my fourth choice after (1) Warren, (2) Castro, (3) Bernie (with gratitude for his own work to expand political conversations, then (4) Yang.

Ironically, the interaction between he and Klobuchar raised my respect for her as well. Her political positions were so conservative, not in the modern racist Republican sense, but in the old-school over-cautious, don't try to change too much too fast sense. Like Buttigieg, she seemed in favor of raging on behalf of the machine. But Yang made her laugh out loud revealing a genuine quality about her.

On the other hand, the idea of Buttigieg - a married, gay, man and an open Christian appealed greatly to me in the beginning. The more I watched the debates, the more I read about him; the less impressed I was with his positions. There were times when he came across as mean spirited. Ultimately, he just seemed too full of himself given his status as a mayor of a medium sized flyover city. He is one of the few that I preferred less than Biden.

If we had to have someone with Biden's cautious policies, I would have preferred someone younger. So, in no particular order, after the four people named above, I preferred Booker, Harris, and Klobuchar.

My ideal though would have been a Warren/Castro ticket. That said, I hope neither Bernie nor Warren nor anyone else over the age of 65 runs in 2024.


All that proves is that you want to kill gay people.

.
 
2020-08-13 9:57:08 PM  

austerity101: Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Shoot, I've read a conservative argue for UBI before.  The rationale bring you could get rid of welfare, social security, unemployment, etc. and deliver the same benefit for cheaper with less government involvement.

This is actually what Yang himself was arguing--that it would save money by getting rid of other forms of welfare.  It's a horrible argument, though, because we still need those other things.  UBI can't be used to gut the rest of the social safety net--especially not in a country that has basically no other citizen protections, including universal healthcare.


That's what rubbed me the wrong way about him - pitching a privatization-like ideology that has repeatedly failed IRL, and never worked in theory either.  We'd be wasting limited resources like crazy if we just kept giving away the farm to private interests and tah dah funding it with a pool of shared money.  The only difference would be how it got divided out - it'd still be horribly economically inefficient.
 
2020-08-13 9:58:45 PM  

austerity101: somedude210: firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?

That's what he's proposing. We just don't change the names. Keep the names people are familiar with. You're never gonna cut Medicare. But ooga booga Universal Healthcare or Socialized Medicine is scary!

UBI is just what social security does. Drop the age limit, same damn thing.

We know what the third rails are in politics. Just expand them instead of making a whole new program. Sell it as an expansion of Medicare. No one will piss and moan because that doesn't sell to voters.

/There. I just did a Progressive version of the Southern Strategy to beat Republicans
//Democratic campaigns, call me. I will gladly be your guru

I say we rename it AmeriCare.  Catchy, easy, patriotic.


Make sure the commercials we air on Fox promoting it have the "battle hymn of the Republic" playing softly in the background (no vocals).
 
2020-08-13 10:02:03 PM  

Tomfoolery Rules Over Logical Living: Naido: Good.  We need to spend more time floating ideas like UBI.  People are becoming more receptive to ideas like it, and I think we need to keep working to shift the Overton Window

Shoot, I've read a conservative argue for UBI before. The rationale bring you could get rid of welfare, social security, unemployment, etc. and deliver the same benefit for cheaper with less government involvement.


It can't. That's why it exists in the first place. It's just right-wing libertarianism all over again, or classical liberalism if that's your preferred nomenclature.

Private interests have had thousands of years of human history to form that kind of utopia, and it has never happened. It can't work.  Tragedy of the commons is not a theory, it's a reality of group human behavior.  No different than the idea that people respond to incentives.  It's at the base of how we are.
 
2020-08-13 10:03:11 PM  

Weatherkiss: somedude210: Naido:

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.

Progressives know how to sell their ideas. The problem is they are perpetually sabotaged by concerned centrists who borrow from the Republican playbook and drown out the sales pitch by braying about the all-important national deficit and bullshiat like "How are we going to pay for it?"

While at the same time carrying republican water and throwing trillions of dollars away on a worthless war in Iraq.

They know what progressives are selling works. They just don't care. They answer to moneyed interests.


No, Progressives cannot counter attacks to save they're life. You do not have the liberal Frank Luntz, or the progressive Lee Atwater.

The reason Republicans have controlled the conversation for so goddamn long is because they are masters of marketing. They have no shame, they don't mind lying. They don't mind mud slinging. They will pull every dirty trick they can. Progressives cannot do it. Or hire the people to do it.

I want progressives to win. I absolutely do. But they have never had the salesmen to get the message to the lowest common denominator. I applaud you for wanting to believe in the better angels in people. I do. But goddamn people are uneducated. Talk at their level, not down to their level. Explain it in terms they would know. Republicans are masters of this. We need to be the same.

That's the issues progressives had pre-social media. Social Media and the rise of Millenials and Gen Z, you will see progressive versions of those grand marketers come forth. Then Progressivism will go forth. You need the salespeople.
 
2020-08-13 10:03:14 PM  

saturn badger: firefly212: HerptheDerp: UBI and Universal Healthcare would never work.

But, Social Security and Medicare are popular, we should just expand on their success to include everybody.

Universal healthcare works fine in dozens of other industrialized nations... why can't we do it here? Why should we always have a second-rate healthcare structure that leaves Americans alone to die simply because they can't afford access?

It is a really long list of countries that have it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_​countries_with_universal_health_care

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check out the red shiatholes
 
2020-08-13 10:04:53 PM  

somedude210: Weatherkiss: somedude210: Naido:

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.

Progressives know how to sell their ideas. The problem is they are perpetually sabotaged by concerned centrists who borrow from the Republican playbook and drown out the sales pitch by braying about the all-important national deficit and bullshiat like "How are we going to pay for it?"

While at the same time carrying republican water and throwing trillions of dollars away on a worthless war in Iraq.

They know what progressives are selling works. They just don't care. They answer to moneyed interests.

No, Progressives cannot counter attacks to save they're life. You do not have the liberal Frank Luntz, or the progressive Lee Atwater.

The reason Republicans have controlled the conversation for so goddamn long is because they are masters of marketing. They have no shame, they don't mind lying. They don't mind mud slinging. They will pull every dirty trick they can. Progressives cannot do it. Or hire the people to do it.

I want progressives to win. I absolutely do. But they have never had the salesmen to get the message to the lowest common denominator. I applaud you for wanting to believe in the better angels in people. I do. But goddamn people are uneducated. Talk at their level, not down to their level. Explain it in terms they would know. Republicans are masters of this. We need to be the same.

That's the issues progressives had pre-social media. Social Media and the rise of Millenials and Gen Z, you will see progressive versions of those grand marketers come forth. Then Progressivism will go forth. You need the salespeople.


you can't win a marketing contest when one side essentially drowns out the field - that's literally how to prevent others from competing
 
2020-08-13 10:13:19 PM  

gameshowhost: somedude210: Weatherkiss: somedude210: Naido:

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.

Progressives know how to sell their ideas. The problem is they are perpetually sabotaged by concerned centrists who borrow from the Republican playbook and drown out the sales pitch by braying about the all-important national deficit and bullshiat like "How are we going to pay for it?"

While at the same time carrying republican water and throwing trillions of dollars away on a worthless war in Iraq.

They know what progressives are selling works. They just don't care. They answer to moneyed interests.

No, Progressives cannot counter attacks to save they're life. You do not have the liberal Frank Luntz, or the progressive Lee Atwater.

The reason Republicans have controlled the conversation for so goddamn long is because they are masters of marketing. They have no shame, they don't mind lying. They don't mind mud slinging. They will pull every dirty trick they can. Progressives cannot do it. Or hire the people to do it.

I want progressives to win. I absolutely do. But they have never had the salesmen to get the message to the lowest common denominator. I applaud you for wanting to believe in the better angels in people. I do. But goddamn people are uneducated. Talk at their level, not down to their level. Explain it in terms they would know. Republicans are masters of this. We need to be the same.

That's the issues progressives had pre-social media. Social Media and the rise of Millenials and Gen Z, you will see progressive versions of those grand marketers come forth. Then Progressivism will go forth. You need the salespeople.

you can't win a marketing contest when one side essentially drowns out the field - that's literally how to prevent others from competing


We have a dirth of progressive billionaires now. Get them involved and fund the idea guys. We can bloody well do it. The younger generations are far more progressive and faaar more media savvy. Give them the goods and they will sell the world on whatever.

Get the best of them together and you have yourselves the actual progressive marketing organization that could literally move mountains.

But you need to find and promote great marketers. We can do great things, but we need to sell people on it first. We're getting there, but not quite. When the people start clamoring for it, the leadership will listen. That's how politics is played, that's why Progressives get ignored until now. Until now, you weren't a force because you had no media presence.

AOC scares the establishment because she is media savvy. She's not afraid to go high and smack down GOPers. She can sell ideas. She can defend ideas. She can defend her ideas and sell them beautifully at the same time.

But she's too far ahead of where we are and that's why she doesn't get as much love as she should.

We need to get people on board with basics in better social safety nets. Like a lobster coming to a boil. We need to start by simply expanding Medicare with removing the age limit, and social security by raising the payout and dropping the age limit to 18. If you get there, you have them hooked. Then you start adding on better, more first world social safety nets, but you make them expansions of systems we like. Like Medicare Part D was to Republicans.
 
2020-08-13 10:13:36 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: firefly212: Democrats found room for Republicans like Bloomberg and Kasich, but couldn't find rooms for guys like Yang and Castro... Dems go on about Republicans overt racism, and they're right that the GOP is racist AF, but Democrats sure do like to hide away people of color with ideas a few months ahead of their time. Yang was all about UBI before COVID when everyone else started talking about it, and Castro was way out in front talking about the need for police reform well before the George Floyd or Breonna Taylor murders.

Wait, Castro isn't speaking?


"Help, help! Let me out of this box!"

Oh, you... you meant a different Castro... didn't you.

/shuffles off shamefully
 
2020-08-13 10:17:46 PM  
As long as we don't get distracted, this will be the greatest election ever.  We will get Medicare for all, UBI, and get rid of all the guns.  This is awesome
 
2020-08-13 10:20:21 PM  

somedude210: progressive billionaires


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2020-08-13 10:25:31 PM  

gameshowhost: somedude210: progressive billionaires

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They may crave power, but they want to be loved too. Steyer and Yang will fund this shiat if they're serious.
 
2020-08-13 10:38:26 PM  

somedude210: gameshowhost: somedude210: progressive billionaires

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They may crave power, but they want to be loved too. Steyer and Yang will fund this shiat if they're serious.


No progressive on earth is worth anywhere near billionaire status. They'd have to abandon everything that progressivism represents to get there.

Tom Steyer is no progressive, just like DPRK is not democratic.  Actions determine what one is.

Presuming Yang is progressive, he's nowhere near billionaire status. He needs like 250x-500x net worth to reach that goal.  How he'd get there w/o abandoning at least some progressive principles is beyond me.
 
2020-08-13 10:38:39 PM  

Call the Guy: They no ask best Asian Uncle Roger; big mistake so sad
[YouTube video: Uncle Roger Go on TINDER to Find Love]


I bet Andrew Yang uses a measuring cup to measure water for rice.

Real Asian uses finger!
 
2020-08-13 10:54:14 PM  

Weatherkiss: somedude210: Naido:

Progressives are great at coming up with good ideas, we just suck as selling it to everyone in a way they understand. We push too hard too soon and it backfires completely.

Progressives know how to sell their ideas. The problem is they are perpetually sabotaged by concerned centrists who borrow from the Republican playbook and drown out the sales pitch by braying about the all-important national deficit and bullshiat like "How are we going to pay for it?"

While at the same time carrying republican water and throwing trillions of dollars away on a worthless war in Iraq.

They know what progressives are selling works. They just don't care. They answer to moneyed interests.


Not entirely true. I care about spending. I care about the deficit. I also care about living in a third world shiat hole that refuses to treat all of its citizens as equal partners which is why the support for the separation of government and moneyed interests is so desperately needed. Because money is a bullhorn that drowns out my vote. My voice.

I want progressive programs and I want socialist policies that enrich us as a country, as a society. But because I question where the money comes from doesn't mean I am Republican or conservative. It just means I want accountability via tax hikes for these services to pay for them.

The biggest obstacle to progressive policies are the powers that profit off of denying progressive policies or are politically empowered from denying it. Because as soon as people start receiving these socialist benefits, they will be damn near impossible to take away.
 
2020-08-13 11:27:35 PM  

gameshowhost: somedude210: gameshowhost: somedude210: progressive billionaires

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They may crave power, but they want to be loved too. Steyer and Yang will fund this shiat if they're serious.

No progressive on earth is worth anywhere near billionaire status. They'd have to abandon everything that progressivism represents to get there.

Tom Steyer is no progressive, just like DPRK is not democratic.  Actions determine what one is.

Presuming Yang is progressive, he's nowhere near billionaire status. He needs like 250x-500x net worth to reach that goal.  How he'd get there w/o abandoning at least some progressive principles is beyond me.


Okay, then you go the Bernie/Warren route with free media and crowd funding
 
2020-08-14 11:13:52 AM  

somedude210: gameshowhost: somedude210: gameshowhost: somedude210: progressive billionaires

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They may crave power, but they want to be loved too. Steyer and Yang will fund this shiat if they're serious.

No progressive on earth is worth anywhere near billionaire status. They'd have to abandon everything that progressivism represents to get there.

Tom Steyer is no progressive, just like DPRK is not democratic.  Actions determine what one is.

Presuming Yang is progressive, he's nowhere near billionaire status. He needs like 250x-500x net worth to reach that goal.  How he'd get there w/o abandoning at least some progressive principles is beyond me.

Okay, then you go the Bernie/Warren route with free media and crowd funding


How about the playing field be leveled and not be riddled with barriers and hoop jumping.
 
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