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2020-08-13 1:56:21 PM  
Meanwhile, conservatives have continually taken a quarter-millenium-old 2A concept and repeatedly morphed it into something *so far beyond what it was ever meant to have been* that it's literally nonsensical in 2020.

I'm assuming subby is equally huffy about that kind of bastardization.
 
2020-08-13 3:56:53 PM  
The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.
 
2020-08-13 3:57:50 PM  
If it wasn't highly illegal I'd like it if that was just standard procedure. Especially in winter, if you can't handle a few measly inches of snow on the roads, this isn't somewhere you should be driving through. Quarantine everyone at the border until they seem safe to mix in with the rest of us.
 
2020-08-13 4:00:56 PM  
How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.
 
2020-08-13 4:01:33 PM  
Washington had his soldiers soldiers inoculated eventually, but initially forbade it because he worried he'd incapacitate his army at a critical juncture.  Now, those were soldiers, not civilians, but the principle is there from the beginning of the Republic.

https://www.mountvernon.org/library/d​i​gitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/arti​cle/smallpox/
 
2020-08-13 4:03:02 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.


The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.
 
2020-08-13 4:08:04 PM  

Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.


Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.
 
2020-08-13 4:09:58 PM  
"somehow"

You don't have to marvel at it like an ape looking at an alien obelisk, you can read the ruling.
 
2020-08-13 4:09:59 PM  
"Yet unless and until the Supreme Court revisits Jacobson and fashions a test that demands a more particularized showing from public health officials in light of the unbelievable medical achievements of the twenty-first century, it remains a complete roadblock to (the plaintiff's) claims."

Hey, judge, if you know of one of those "unbelievable medical achievements" that would allow us to stop the spread of this disease without using quarantine, please let the rest of us know!  Otherwise, STFU with your incredulity that a perfectly sound precedent should remain in place despite the advancement of technology.  You're giving people (dumb journalists, for example) the idea that there's something wrong here.
 
2020-08-13 4:10:22 PM  

Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.


In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.
 
2020-08-13 4:14:04 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.


Tons of people on the right have a lot of trouble comprehending the very basic concept of "your rights end where mine begin."  Some from the left have the same issue, but they're less likely to brandish a gun and spread infectious diseases; they're too busy demanding that Hulu stop airing the D&D episode of community.
 
2020-08-13 4:14:50 PM  

GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.


That's some funny shiat right there.  State doesn't have to actually prove a thing because reasons.  Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.
 
2020-08-13 4:16:09 PM  

Jeebus Saves: GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.

That's some funny shiat right there.  State doesn't have to actually prove a thing because reasons.  Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.


"Rights" mean nothing to dead people.
 
2020-08-13 4:16:15 PM  

Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.


If you're entering from a place with shiatty disease numbers, it has a pretty obvious cause.

I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?

Because you might be lying and the state isn't going to waste time verifying your story. Plus unless you hiked in to the state, you may have been exposed elsewhere. This is like nutters insisting they have medical conditions so they can walk in to BulkoMart without a mask. Nobody cares and nobody is checking in to it. The guy at the door didn't ask you for a doctors note, he told you to put on a farking mask.

You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Of course you can and it makes perfect sense from an administrative standpoint.
 
2020-08-13 4:17:49 PM  

Riche: How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.


It's not being enforced.
 
2020-08-13 4:19:32 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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2020-08-13 4:23:45 PM  

Jeebus Saves: GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.

That's some funny shiat right there.  State doesn't have to actually prove a thing because reasons.  Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.


Um, no rights were lost here.  This is a 1905 Supreme Court decision; IE, it has been in effect since then.

/personally, I think the 1902 Supreme Court decision of Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health is a better cite, but whatever
//both cases end up with the same conclusion: A state or local government can mandate pretty much anything to prevent the spread of a contagious disease.
 
2020-08-13 4:24:50 PM  

The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.
 
2020-08-13 4:28:25 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.


The only people who claim to live up to the responsibilities are the people who never even try to live up to their responsibilities.
 
2020-08-13 4:30:04 PM  

Riche: How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.


Maybe they'll uhh... build a wall?
 
2020-08-13 4:30:30 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.


Quarantining is one of those responsibilities.
 
2020-08-13 4:31:25 PM  

Riche: How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.


Lower traffic overall plus the use of license plate cameras. Those make it pretty easy for highway patrol to find out-of-staters.

They aren't paying much attention to semi's because they don't tend to stop anywhere in the cities, other than their destination. The only time they expose themselves or others are generally at truck stops, rest stops, and the occasional interstate-connected Waffle House. Pretty low chance of them spreading it versus passenger travelers.
 
2020-08-13 4:31:35 PM  

Geotpf: Riche: How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.

It's not being enforced.


So you not only dnrtfa, but didn't watch the autoplay video, in fine Fark fashion :)
 
2020-08-13 4:33:32 PM  

Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.


Do you think New York's quarantine strategy will have a positive health effect, and if yes would it be wrong of me to assume you think that this benefit isn't worth the restriction of personal liberty?
 
2020-08-13 4:34:16 PM  

Albert911emt: Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.

Quarantining is one of those responsibilities.


Well then fark it.  Fark distancing, fark masks, fark being safe if the government is just going to punish you anyway just in case.

And it's absolutely farking hilarious that the government consistently gets away with shirking their responsibility and passing it onto the people.  They turn their own people into scapegoats because of their inability to lead.
 
2020-08-13 4:34:38 PM  

GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.


Also, state's rights. If you don't want to abide by NY state law, don't go to New York.
 
2020-08-13 4:35:26 PM  

gameshowhost: Meanwhile, conservatives have continually taken a quarter-millenium-old 2A concept and repeatedly morphed it into something *so far beyond what it was ever meant to have been* that it's literally nonsensical in 2020.

I'm assuming subby is equally huffy about that kind of bastardization.


Is this a "B-b-but Both Sides!" in the wild? Whataboutism isn't a good look on you.

I'm not sure there's actually an explicit "freedom of movement" enshrined in the Constitution; it's an implicit understanding dating back to colonial times, but ultimately that 'freedom' is subject to all kinds of restrictions, such as having a car that doesn't meet a state's highway standards not being permitted to enter that state.
 
2020-08-13 4:36:43 PM  

Jeebus Saves: GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.

That's some funny shiat right there.  State doesn't have to actually prove a thing because reasons.  Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.


Uhhh, you are aware that all of our rights stop at the tip of our nose, right?

In other words, the common understanding of a 'right' is that it is a liberty you enjoy so long as it does no actual, direct harm to others.

Further, you have every right to not wear a mask if you don't want to. We as the public/your neighbors, directly or through or elected representatives, reserve the right to tell you not to come near us unless you're wearing something to make sure whatever germs you have stay yours.
Amazingly, this is no different than demanding that you wear pants in public.  I don't give a shiat if you go buck-ass naked at home, but when you're out around other people, don't nobody want to see that, and we sure as hell don't want whatever bodily fluids or excretions you exude to splatter us because we have to be in proximity to you in order to access public facilities and businesses.Now STFU.
 
2020-08-13 4:37:38 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Albert911emt: Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.

Quarantining is one of those responsibilities.

Well then fark it.  Fark distancing, fark masks, fark being safe if the government is just going to punish you anyway just in case.

And it's absolutely farking hilarious that the government consistently gets away with shirking their responsibility and passing it onto the people.  They turn their own people into scapegoats because of their inability to lead.


The only people shirking their responsibilities are red hatters and GOP politicians.  Look at New Mexico.  Rates are dropping in most of the state.  The rates are going up in Taos because of the goddamned Texans and Okies going on vacation and not doing a 14-day quarantine in town.  The rates are going up in the southeast corner because those shiathole conservative counties are full of red hatters who refuse to wear masks and illegally operate dine-in restaurants.  The rates are slowing down but not stopping in the Navajo Nation because people keep on crossing the border from Arizona.
 
2020-08-13 4:38:19 PM  

Keethera: Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.

Do you think New York's quarantine strategy will have a positive health effect, and if yes would it be wrong of me to assume you think that this benefit isn't worth the restriction of personal liberty?


It will have zero effect at all.  Leaders like to blame "outsiders" for their problems.  It's just another way for them to pass the buck and keep people divided.  Who do you think is more of a danger, people traveling or people out at bars and parties?
 
2020-08-13 4:43:47 PM  

Kit Fister: In other words, the common understanding of a 'right' is that it is a liberty you enjoy so long as it does no actual, direct harm to others.


And with that logic, you are just assuming the act of coming from another state makes a person a danger to others.  You're punishing people because maybe, possibly, there can be a chance that person might make you sick.  It's a giant assumption and really doesn't hold up and we surely wouldn't want it applied to other parts of daily life.
 
2020-08-13 4:44:00 PM  
From five months ago:

"A political battle between Rhode Island and New York's top leaders over new coronavirus precautions ended this weekend after Gov. Gina Raimondo changed her executive order that mandated New Yorkers who traveled to her state be quarantined, regardless of symptoms.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo threatened lawsuits against Raimondo's March 27 order, which issued fines and other penalties for New Yorkers that violated the rule. Rhode Island officers and state troopers were out flagging cars with New York plates at the state border during the earlier part of the weekend, which prompted Cuomo to call his fellow Democrat Raimondo on Saturday."


https://abcnews.go.com/US/rhode-islan​d​-reverses-order-make-york-visitors-qua​rantine/story?id=69862605
 
2020-08-13 4:48:29 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Kit Fister: In other words, the common understanding of a 'right' is that it is a liberty you enjoy so long as it does no actual, direct harm to others.

And with that logic, you are just assuming the act of coming from another state makes a person a danger to others.  You're punishing people because maybe, possibly, there can be a chance that person might make you sick.  It's a giant assumption and really doesn't hold up and we surely wouldn't want it applied to other parts of daily life.


Were you this vocal when Florida did the same thing for visitors from New York?
 
2020-08-13 4:54:42 PM  

Farce-Side: Jeebus Saves: Kit Fister: In other words, the common understanding of a 'right' is that it is a liberty you enjoy so long as it does no actual, direct harm to others.

And with that logic, you are just assuming the act of coming from another state makes a person a danger to others.  You're punishing people because maybe, possibly, there can be a chance that person might make you sick.  It's a giant assumption and really doesn't hold up and we surely wouldn't want it applied to other parts of daily life.

Were you this vocal when Florida did the same thing for visitors from New York?


Actually I was.  It might have been that Rhode Island case someone mentioned above though.  All the virus threads kind of run together.  I'm not a big fan of giving cops more reasons to interact with people.
 
2020-08-13 5:00:07 PM  

PunGent: Geotpf: Riche: How is this quarantine being enforced? CAN it be realistically enforced?

The amount of truck/car/airliner traffic coming in and out of NY every hour is mind-bendingly huge.

It's not being enforced.

So you not only dnrtfa, but didn't watch the autoplay video, in fine Fark fashion :)


I read the article but didn't watch the video.  My understanding is that they are stopping people at the border and passing out quarantine forms, but cops aren't arresting people who aren't quarantining, which means they aren't enforcing it.
 
2020-08-13 5:01:14 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.


Somehow they are twisting that also now to be that risk is part of life and liberty and thus you are free to cower from their wayward bullets
 
2020-08-13 5:02:31 PM  

Jeebus Saves: Albert911emt: Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

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And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.

Quarantining is one of those responsibilities.

Well then fark it.  Fark distancing, fark masks, fark being safe if the government is just going to punish you anyway just in case.

And it's absolutely farking hilarious that the government consistently gets away with shirking their responsibility and passing it onto the people.  They turn their own people into scapegoats because of their inability to lead.


And here, after being told their rights come with responsibilities, we see the adolescent throwing a temper tantrum...

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2020-08-13 5:04:27 PM  

Shaggy_C: gameshowhost: Meanwhile, conservatives have continually taken a quarter-millenium-old 2A concept and repeatedly morphed it into something *so far beyond what it was ever meant to have been* that it's literally nonsensical in 2020.

I'm assuming subby is equally huffy about that kind of bastardization.

Is this a "B-b-but Both Sides!" in the wild? Whataboutism isn't a good look on you.

I'm not sure there's actually an explicit "freedom of movement" enshrined in the Constitution; it's an implicit understanding dating back to colonial times, but ultimately that 'freedom' is subject to all kinds of restrictions, such as having a car that doesn't meet a state's highway standards not being permitted to enter that state.



That explicit freedom of movement never meant that you were allowed to go anywhere you wanted at any speed using any sort of transportation at any time no matter what you wanted because WAAAAAAH YOU HAVE RIGHTS!!!1.

/lol @ declaring whataboutism where none exists - i have no duty to refute the barren crying in the headline
 
2020-08-13 5:08:34 PM  

erik-k: Jeebus Saves: Albert911emt: Jeebus Saves: The Bunyip: Jeebus Saves: Keep pissing your rights away.  It will totally make you safer.

[Fark user image 225x225]

And I can live up to my responsibilities and still have assholes think I need to quarantine.

Quarantining is one of those responsibilities.

Well then fark it.  Fark distancing, fark masks, fark being safe if the government is just going to punish you anyway just in case.

And it's absolutely farking hilarious that the government consistently gets away with shirking their responsibility and passing it onto the people.  They turn their own people into scapegoats because of their inability to lead.

And here, after being told their rights come with responsibilities, we see the adolescent throwing a temper tantrum...

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If that's your idea of a temper tantrum, I don't know how you can ever crawl out from under your bed.
 
2020-08-13 5:09:34 PM  
Wait ... weren't we all supposed to be for defunding the police? I thought we were for defunding the police?

"As at sobriety checkpoints, an officer making stops under de Blasio's program could search vehicles if there is a legal basis, and issue summonses and make arrests if other criminality is found, according to Feyer."

Ah, good to know so many liberals are in favor of this obvious trick into arresting, ticketing, and jailing even more minorities and PoC ... not sure you guys thought this cunning plan all the way through, now did ya?

I'm sure the BLM community is just jumping for joy at the thought of even more reasons why they can now be pulled over and "randomly" checked by the police. 

Liberals ... can't stop tripping over their dicks. Kek.
 
2020-08-13 5:19:30 PM  
PS. Like at sobriety checkpoints, you do have the Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions being asked of you. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have an lawyer present. You have the right to refuse consent to search your car.

DO NOTpassively let them remove you from your Constitutional Rights. They are expecting ignorance and depending on compliance. DO NOT give an inch.
 
2020-08-13 5:27:42 PM  

GrogSmash: Claude Ballse: Jeebus Saves: To The Escape Zeppelin!: The relevant text from the majority decision of the 1905 case:

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own, whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

Basically, not wearing a mask or refusing quarantine causes injury to other people and can be restricted in the same way that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow you to fire guns on suburban streets. Personal liberty does not allow you the right to injure others.

The thing is though that the government has no idea where I was from or what I was doing before I came to New York, so it has no cause to make me quarantine.  I could have spent the last week hiking and camping by myself.  Why would I need to quarantine?  You cant treat entire states as one uniform place.  It's stupid and everyone knows that.

Since you're acting like a toddler, we have to assume that the rest of the state is just like you. Because it isn't as though you came out of the woods right at the border. You interacted with other possible plague rats along the way.

Plus, since you were in the woods, you now have Lyme disease.

In a nutshell... suck it up snowflake.

Your personal freedoms don't include the right to endanger the public.  So, until the state can safely say you are not a risk, you will be treated as a public health risk.


Guilty until proven innocent.  Suck it up.

/nah, we're not gonna let you prove your innocence.  Just take your collective punishment.  And pick up that can while you're at it.
 
2020-08-13 5:27:42 PM  

FarkBucket18: PS. Like at sobriety checkpoints, you do have the Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions being asked of you. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have an lawyer present. You have the right to refuse consent to search your car.

DO NOTpassively let them remove you from your Constitutional Rights. They are expecting ignorance and depending on compliance. DO NOT give an inch.


You can also turn your ass around and leave the state if you don't comply.
 
2020-08-13 5:31:53 PM  
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2020-08-13 5:33:14 PM  
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2020-08-13 5:36:19 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: FarkBucket18: PS. Like at sobriety checkpoints, you do have the Fifth Amendment right to not answer any questions being asked of you. You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to have an lawyer present. You have the right to refuse consent to search your car.

DO NOTpassively let them remove you from your Constitutional Rights. They are expecting ignorance and depending on compliance. DO NOT give an inch.

You can also turn your ass around and leave the state if you don't comply.


I'd prefer to keep driving and tell the police to fark off, which is my right. Don't like it? Repeal the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments when you're repealing the 2nd. Until then, the police can't do jack shiat and I will tell as many people as I can that they can't do jack shiat.

America is great BECAUSE we don't submit to authority overreaches, which this surely is. If it weren't, you couldn't invoke your 5th Amendment right to remain silent?

Remember when liberals lost their collective shiat when Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico setup checkpoints to make sure illegal immigrants didn't skip by border control? Yeah, same thing. Tell them to stuff it and be on your merry way.

https://www.kold.com/story/28066777/b​o​rder-backlash-concern-over-the-border-​patrols-interior-checkpoints/

Remember, every "good": overreach is eventually used for nefarious purposes. I'd rather be for rights than temporary comfort. 

Don't want to catch Covid? Stay the fark home.
 
2020-08-13 5:38:26 PM  

FarkBucket18: Don't want to catch Covid? Stay the fark home.


Don't want to get caught drunk driving? .... [finish the sentence]
 
2020-08-13 5:40:59 PM  

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2020-08-13 5:49:55 PM  

gameshowhost: FarkBucket18: Don't want to catch Covid? Stay the fark home.

Don't want to get caught drunk driving? .... [finish the sentence]


In all 50 states, you have the right to refuse any and all questioning regarding your sobriety. Now, many states have a compulsory license suspension should you refuse to submit for BAC testing, but you are not required to make any statement, do any sobriety tests, or answer any questions should you be pulled over and suspected of driving under the influence.

Many people get drunk and drive everyday. Many people get drunk and are stopped for it. Many people get drunk and are charged with DUI and it's the state's responsibility to prove your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If you make the state's job easier, that's your own damn fault. You would be surprised at how hard it is to prove sobriety or drunkenness if you exercise your rights and refuse questioning and testing.
 
2020-08-13 5:59:46 PM  
Well, this thread does a wonderful job of showing why the US is #1 with respect to this god forsaken pandemic.
 
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