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(Digital Spy)   Seth Rogen explains why the MCU causes issues for film comedies: "Something that me and Evan talk about...is how Marvel movies are comedies. Thor: Ragnarok is a comedy. Ant-Man is a comedy at its core...That is the benchmark that people expect"   (digitalspy.com) divider line
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2020-08-12 2:07:13 PM  
Maybe we just don't like your sense of humor anymore Seth?  I know I prefer something with a little more thought in the jokes than pot jokes, dick jokes, sex jokes.
 
2020-08-12 2:14:01 PM  
If your movie's tone comes across as funny when it's supposed to be dramatic, then your writing is in dire need of help.
 
2020-08-12 2:23:22 PM  
hey seth, your pickle movie sucked. it had so much potential. how could you mess up a premise like that?
 
2020-08-12 2:26:39 PM  

BizarreMan: Maybe we just don't like your sense of humor anymore Seth?


I dunno. The wife and I just finished the FutureMan series and laughed the whole way though.
 
2020-08-12 2:40:37 PM  
If you think that the biggest movie series of the past few decades is competing with your low-budget comedy film, you might just have a bit of an ego adjustment in need of doing.
 
2020-08-12 2:57:57 PM  
Pretty much why I don't care for the films.  Every time the momentum builds in a scene it's undercut by some silly humor or stupid joke.  The Joss Weadon method.
 
2020-08-12 2:58:02 PM  
When the first Avengers came out in 2012, it was one of the funniest movies I'd seen in a while.

It's not a comedy, but it had more laughs than most Seth Rogan movies.
 
2020-08-12 3:00:54 PM  

some_beer_drinker: hey seth, your pickle movie sucked. it had so much potential. how could you mess up a premise like that?


Disagree.

Full disagree.
 
2020-08-12 3:05:01 PM  
Just quit casting James Franco and things will be better.

Pretty sure Emma Watson was really creeped out by him in This Is The End.

The guy is a creep.
 
2020-08-12 3:05:56 PM  
Translated: "Wah! They are funnier than any of my 'comedy' and they are making me look bad! Wah!"

Mr. Rogen, it is TOTALLY the MCU that makes your comedy look insipid and overrated. All their fault, we swear.
 
2020-08-12 3:08:59 PM  
I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.
 
2020-08-12 3:09:10 PM  

BizarreMan: Maybe we just don't like your sense of humor anymore Seth?  I know I prefer something with a little more thought in the jokes than pot jokes, dick jokes, sex jokes.


It doesn't help that ganja has become more and more mainstream, it's not a small or even medium sized club of random in jokes anymore, and that was likely a big chunk of the draw, being "in" with the "cool kids"
 
2020-08-12 3:14:18 PM  

Michael J Faux: I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.


THIS!

Subby here. And admittedly when I first read the headline, I also thought the article was going to be a Rogen whine-fest. But it really isn't. Otherwise I wouldn't have submitted the article to Fark.
 
2020-08-12 3:16:29 PM  

Michael J Faux: I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.


Reading an article is somewhat difficult when you're in a dog-pile of outrage.
It's best to let them finish their temper-tantrum.
 
2020-08-12 3:17:26 PM  
I think I understand what he's saying, but I fully disagree. I don't consider Ragnarok or Ant-Man to be comedies, per se. They're Marvel/comic book movies that have comedic elements. They added comedy to the overall premise to make the characters more relatable and to make the movies more enjoyable. At their core, though, they're comic book/action/science-fictionesque* movies, with a dash of humour.

For example, I wouldn't call Man of Steel a drama; it was an overly serious superhero movie. But does that downplay films like The Irishman; dramatic films made for the sake of being dramas? It was a tone they picked for their movie, but that doesn't mean it's going to replace dramas. People that want to see a straight-up comedy, or a serious drama, will certainly watch it, regardless of budget.

* I say "science-fictionesque" because I know some people will argue about the use of the genre in this case, as it isn't "proper sci-fi". But they're using science to a fictional degree, so I think it counts.
 
2020-08-12 3:17:36 PM  

oldfarthenry: Michael J Faux: I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.

Reading an article is somewhat difficult when you're in a dog-pile of outrage.
It's best to let them finish their temper-tantrum.


Too much jerking off to be considered a dog pile, just saying.
 
2020-08-12 3:17:53 PM  

UberNeuman: Pretty much why I don't care for the films.  Every time the momentum builds in a scene it's undercut by some silly humor or stupid joke.  The Joss Weadon method.


Thor: "I see what you did there."

Black Widow: *rolls eyes*

Iron Man: *iphone camera sound* "I just shared it on twitter."

/billions of dollars, plz
 
2020-08-12 3:18:32 PM  

BizarreMan: Maybe we just don't like your sense of humor anymore Seth?  I know I prefer something with a little more thought in the jokes than pot jokes, dick jokes, sex jokes.


That is almost entirely his point. You need something more in a comedy now due to the competition or you're wasting your time.  You're certainly not making a hit.

his Pickle movie was watchable. Sorta meh, waste of potential for cheap hipster jokes so he should probably start taking his own advice.
 
2020-08-12 3:20:58 PM  
"Weed, right?! So crazy! Ow my penis. I'm drunk but lovable."

That's his dialogue, verbatim, for every movie. Don't look it up just trust me.
 
2020-08-12 3:23:30 PM  
Seth Rogen knows about comedy?
 
2020-08-12 3:27:16 PM  

oldfarthenry: Michael J Faux: I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.

Reading an article is somewhat difficult when you're in a dog-pile of outrage.
It's best to let them finish their temper-tantrum.


Is not a dogpile of anything, seems more like people don't give a shiat about Rogen.
 
2020-08-12 3:29:14 PM  

Bslim: Seth Rogen knows about comedy?


He's made a living as a comedian and comic actor for almost 20 years so....yes? Anyone who makes their living doing comedy (yes, even that comedian you hate and think is as funny as a baby's funeral) know about comedy.
 
2020-08-12 3:32:53 PM  

TDWCom29: Bslim: Seth Rogen knows about comedy?

He's made a living as a comedian and comic actor for almost 20 years so....yes? Anyone who makes their living doing comedy (yes, even that comedian you hate and think is as funny as a baby's funeral) know about comedy.


No. I want an exception made for Jeff Dunham. Or at least re-categorization as 'low-brow performance artist'.
 
2020-08-12 3:35:08 PM  

BizarreMan: Maybe we just don't like your sense of humor anymore Seth?  I know I prefer something with a little more thought in the jokes than pot jokes, dick jokes, sex jokes.


...anymore?
 
2020-08-12 3:57:29 PM  
They're called COMIC BOOKS, not SERIOUS BOOKS.
 
2020-08-12 4:12:49 PM  
"My fans all grew up and don't laugh at stoner comedy anymore."
 
2020-08-12 4:14:08 PM  
I'm thinking about what the MCU people would have done with Green Hornet and now I hate Rogen even more.
 
2020-08-12 4:16:36 PM  

Subtonic: TDWCom29: Bslim: Seth Rogen knows about comedy?

He's made a living as a comedian and comic actor for almost 20 years so....yes? Anyone who makes their living doing comedy (yes, even that comedian you hate and think is as funny as a baby's funeral) know about comedy.

No. I want an exception made for Jeff Dunham. Or at least re-categorization as 'low-brow performance artist'.


Nah, sorry. Him too
 
2020-08-12 4:19:00 PM  

Nameless_Guy: I think I understand what he's saying, but I fully disagree. I don't consider Ragnarok or Ant-Man to be comedies, per se. They're Marvel/comic book movies that have comedic elements. They added comedy to the overall premise to make the characters more relatable and to make the movies more enjoyable. At their core, though, they're comic book/action/science-fictionesque* movies, with a dash of humour.

For example, I wouldn't call Man of Steel a drama; it was an overly serious superhero movie. But does that downplay films like The Irishman; dramatic films made for the sake of being dramas? It was a tone they picked for their movie, but that doesn't mean it's going to replace dramas. People that want to see a straight-up comedy, or a serious drama, will certainly watch it, regardless of budget.

* I say "science-fictionesque" because I know some people will argue about the use of the genre in this case, as it isn't "proper sci-fi". But they're using science to a fictional degree, so I think it counts.


Thor: Ragnarok and Ant-Man (as well as GotG) are both listed under 'comedies' on IMDB (for comparison, neither of the previous Thor movies nor most of the MCU has that designation). Hemsworth was nominated for "Best Actor in a Comedy" for Critic's Choice Awards.

Avengers had a dash of humor. Spider-Man: Homecoming had a dash of humor. Doctor Strange had a dash of humor. Most of the MCU has dashes of humor to alleviate the tension/action. But Ragnarok, Ant-Man, and GotG have comedy listed as the most used ingredient.
 
2020-08-12 4:26:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Nameless_Guy: I think I understand what he's saying, but I fully disagree. I don't consider Ragnarok or Ant-Man to be comedies, per se. They're Marvel/comic book movies that have comedic elements. They added comedy to the overall premise to make the characters more relatable and to make the movies more enjoyable. At their core, though, they're comic book/action/science-fictionesque* movies, with a dash of humour.

For example, I wouldn't call Man of Steel a drama; it was an overly serious superhero movie. But does that downplay films like The Irishman; dramatic films made for the sake of being dramas? It was a tone they picked for their movie, but that doesn't mean it's going to replace dramas. People that want to see a straight-up comedy, or a serious drama, will certainly watch it, regardless of budget.

* I say "science-fictionesque" because I know some people will argue about the use of the genre in this case, as it isn't "proper sci-fi". But they're using science to a fictional degree, so I think it counts.

Thor: Ragnarok and Ant-Man (as well as GotG) are both listed under 'comedies' on IMDB (for comparison, neither of the previous Thor movies nor most of the MCU has that designation). Hemsworth was nominated for "Best Actor in a Comedy" for Critic's Choice Awards.

Avengers had a dash of humor. Spider-Man: Homecoming had a dash of humor. Doctor Strange had a dash of humor. Most of the MCU has dashes of humor to offset alleviate the tension/action. But Ragnarok, Ant-Man, and GotG have comedy listed as the most used ingredient.


/ftfy
 
2020-08-12 4:26:56 PM  

TDWCom29: Subtonic: TDWCom29: Bslim: Seth Rogen knows about comedy?

He's made a living as a comedian and comic actor for almost 20 years so....yes? Anyone who makes their living doing comedy (yes, even that comedian you hate and think is as funny as a baby's funeral) know about comedy.

No. I want an exception made for Jeff Dunham. Or at least re-categorization as 'low-brow performance artist'.

Nah, sorry. Him too


NO! FARK HIM!

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2020-08-12 4:30:56 PM  

Nameless_Guy: I think I understand what he's saying, but I fully disagree. I don't consider Ragnarok or Ant-Man to be comedies, per se. They're Marvel/comic book movies that have comedic elements. They added comedy to the overall premise to make the characters more relatable and to make the movies more enjoyable. At their core, though, they're comic book/action/science-fictionesque* movies, with a dash of humour.

For example, I wouldn't call Man of Steel a drama; it was an overly serious superhero movie. But does that downplay films like The Irishman; dramatic films made for the sake of being dramas? It was a tone they picked for their movie, but that doesn't mean it's going to replace dramas. People that want to see a straight-up comedy, or a serious drama, will certainly watch it, regardless of budget.

* I say "science-fictionesque" because I know some people will argue about the use of the genre in this case, as it isn't "proper sci-fi". But they're using science to a fictional degree, so I think it counts.


I disagree with your disagreement. To say something is a "comic book" movie implies things, but doesn't actually mean anything that isn't subject to change. Saying a "cape movie" would be a better description.

And the whole reason Marvel is succeeding where other's haven't is that they are branching out to cover multiple genres. Civil War was a political thriller, and Ant-Man was a heist. This is how they keep things interesting and why specifically Marvel's "Superhero" movies have a lot of headroom to grow. If you want to do a pulp noir murder mystery, most would jump at the chance to do so with a huge budget, characters that come already developed, and a guaranteed audience.

Also, the idea that something isn't a comedy if it bleeds into other genres is flawed. Shaun of the Dead wasn't a parody of zombie movies. It was a comedy (or even RomCom) that takes place in a zombie movie. Ghostbusters was a fully functional horror move with MST3K wisecrackers baked in.

So, yeah, Ant-Man and Ragnarok are legitimate comedies. They are written that way, they hit all the beats, and they are funny.
 
2020-08-12 4:36:02 PM  
ShankatsuForte:

Pot has always been mainstream

Just being open about it hasn't
 
2020-08-12 4:38:19 PM  
TDWCom29:

The issue is he hasn't grown artistically. He's just treading ground he has before.

At least Kevin Smith had the balls to goto c-movie horror
 
2020-08-12 4:47:40 PM  

AuralArgument: TDWCom29:

The issue is he hasn't grown artistically. He's just treading ground he has before.

At least Kevin Smith had the balls to goto c-movie horror


But then quickly retreated to familiar material when he couldn't pull off horror. He's not the best example.
 
2020-08-12 4:47:57 PM  

likwidflame: some_beer_drinker: hey seth, your pickle movie sucked. it had so much potential. how could you mess up a premise like that?

Disagree.

Full disagree.


i watched the rest. not bad.
 
2020-08-12 5:07:48 PM  
We talked about this in a previous thread and I got somewhat lambasted.

The closer we get to recreational pot being legal, the less funny it is to see guys smoking pot on screen like rebels.
 
2020-08-12 5:08:39 PM  
Comedy in the MCU?

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2020-08-12 5:11:27 PM  
Because they''re funny, unlike anything remotely associated with Seth Rogen.
 
2020-08-12 5:32:58 PM  
I don't consider DiscoThor a comedy, or at least not intentionally so. Just because you laugh at a line in any movie does not make it a 'funny' movie.

And just because a certain actor is considered funny doesn't mean his movie is *coughwillferellcough*

I will concur with others that the MCU brings a variety of genres and well thought out plot lines to the table. Particularly more in some of the Netflix series versus tent pole summer movies.
 
2020-08-12 5:47:23 PM  

TheWaldo: Just because you laugh at a line in any movie does not make it a 'funny' movie.


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Hey guys!  What's going on in THIS thread??
 
2020-08-12 5:54:42 PM  
if you only do things to fulfill other peoples expectations you will always be playing catch up.
just do you, man, and enjoy yourself while doing it.
 
2020-08-12 5:58:27 PM  

UberNeuman: Pretty much why I don't care for the films.  Every time the momentum builds in a scene it's undercut by some silly humor or stupid joke.  The Joss Weadon William Shakespearemethod.


It worked for Shakespeare and it works today. He recognized that having a wide range of emotions helped break things up so you don't feel completely worn down by 2 or 3 hours of drudgery and that the range from laughing your ass off one moment to seeing a beloved character die or a villian do something unnervingly evil the next moment gives those moments greater impact.
 
2020-08-12 6:00:59 PM  

Michael J Faux: I know that reading requires a lot more energy than gut-reacting to some proper nouns in a headline, but he's not really playing a victim card in the article; just mentioning a creative consideration that he needs to keep top-of-mind when producing.


Read the article? On Fark?

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2020-08-12 6:04:39 PM  
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2020-08-12 6:57:45 PM  
EdgeRunner:

I said he had the balls to, I didn't say it was good.

I do believe that the podcasting route was more prudent.
 
2020-08-12 7:01:35 PM  
buntz:

I live down the road from a recreational shop here in Ontario, ass well as a liquor store and a beer store.

The only tropes that hold tight are the drinkers who show up upon all those shops opening. After 12, its every type of person.

L
 
2020-08-12 7:53:52 PM  
No, actual comedies just suck anymore.  It started when studios thought Jim Carrey and Adam Sandler were funny, and now we're stuck with Seth Rogan.
 
2020-08-12 8:00:25 PM  
I don't agree with this at all.
Just because the ginormous superhero event film that I've been anticipating for 15 years has a great sense of humor, doesn't mean it's the standard by which I'll hold every other film that dares crack a joke.

People generally know what they're watching, they're not looking for every film to match the standard of every other film.

Except Star Wars fans.
But, well, we're spoiled.
 
2020-08-12 8:01:52 PM  

Nameless_Guy: I think I understand what he's saying, but I fully disagree. I don't consider Ragnarok or Ant-Man to be comedies, per se. They're Marvel/comic book movies that have comedic elements. They added comedy to the overall premise to make the characters more relatable and to make the movies more enjoyable. At their core, though, they're comic book/action/science-fictionesque* movies, with a dash of humour.


Both Ant Man movies are light adventure flicks with comedic elements.  The character's powers fit well with the format.

I'm one of the minority who doesn't worship Thor: Ragnarok as the apex of all things MCU.  I felt it crossed the line between adventure with comedic elements into broad farce.  Almost like one of those "so-and-so Movie" parodies.  I get that space in the MCU in general is a silly place (much like Camelot) but something in Ragnarok just didn't work for me like it did in the first GotG movie.
 
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