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(The Hill)   Trump derails the third rail   (thehill.com) divider line
    More: Dumbass, George W. Bush, Democratic Party, Joe Biden, Social Security, payroll tax, United States Senate, Mitch McConnell, Taxation  
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2020-08-12 12:12:24 PM  
38 votes:
Can Trump gift the election to Biden any better? There are hours of tape of the GOP glitterati railing against Social Security and Medicare. "The Republicans are going to take Grandma's Social Security and medical insurance" is a simple, effective message that gets through to even Trump's base.
 
2020-08-12 1:20:51 PM  
25 votes:

oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?


I am under the impression it's delayed, so come April everyone will owe it UNLESS Congress backs Trump on this.

/So, it's a bomb to fark with Biden
//As if anyone will remember that far back in 2022/2024
///But they have to forget who put the bomb there to begin with.
 
2020-08-12 1:14:19 PM  
23 votes:
Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?
 
2020-08-12 12:50:31 PM  
19 votes:
Some teachers don't pay into social security...that means, if you are a teacher and think, well, this does NOT affect me....it does! YOU DO NOT GET A TAX CUT! You are farking over the citizenry that you teach by voting for Trump.

DO NOT DEFUND SOCIAL SECURITY!
 
2020-08-12 2:47:35 PM  
15 votes:

oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?


Yes.

That'll be on April 15, well after the election. That's the idea behind the strategy.
 
2020-08-12 2:48:18 PM  
14 votes:
One of the things I love to hate about Trump is his unerring ability to make the absolute worst choice in any given situation.
 
2020-08-12 2:49:02 PM  
11 votes:

oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?


Trump has said he would "forgive" it if re-elected.

Larry Kudlow says the payroll tax holiday is "a huge economic growth and jobs incentive".

Pence says mmghffmnmdhdmdfff because his head is up Trump's ass all the time and he is even dumber than Trump.
 
2020-08-12 2:48:04 PM  
11 votes:
Oh fun. It's not like people my age were ever going to be able to retire anyway.
 
2020-08-12 12:47:10 PM  
10 votes:
Don't whiz on the electric fence.
 
2020-08-12 2:53:32 PM  
9 votes:
His cult will cheer the tax cuts, and rage at the Dems for losing money for Social Security and Medicare.
 
2020-08-12 2:52:05 PM  
9 votes:

NM Volunteer: It's just so stupid.  Unless Congress makes it an actual cut, it is just a delay in the payment of taxes.  Almost as if the purpose of it is to get people to spend a little money now, and in nine months millions will have to get loans from banks or payday loan leeches.


You have to have a job to spend "payroll tax" money, and millions don't have a job, so it doesn't help them. And I'm sure as fark not gonna go out and spend more because they're taking slightly less $ out of my check than usual. That's stupid. I assume my employer (I hope they're somewhat smart) is ignoring all of this bullshiat and continuing as normal, despite any stupid President Useless Asshole is shiatting out.
 
2020-08-12 2:59:58 PM  
8 votes:
Pyrrhic. What he's doing is absolutely Pyrrhic.
 
2020-08-12 2:45:56 PM  
8 votes:
It's just so stupid.  Unless Congress makes it an actual cut, it is just a delay in the payment of taxes.  Almost as if the purpose of it is to get people to spend a little money now, and in nine months millions will have to get loans from banks or payday loan leeches.
 
2020-08-12 2:57:38 PM  
7 votes:
Trump's payroll tax scam.
 
2020-08-12 2:52:25 PM  
7 votes:
Twenty years ago if someone told me that it was going to be like this my response would've been. no, there's no way the powers that be would let it slide that badly and yet here we are.

Rabid dogs , something, something.
 
2020-08-12 3:07:19 PM  
6 votes:
Related:

Mnuchin called Pelosi today to say "We're still not budging." and Nancy be like "lol then why you call? click"

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2020-08-12 2:57:42 PM  
6 votes:
Well there is a reason he never mentions its a social security cut. It's a "payroll tax cut" because he is preying on people being too dumb to know it is the same thing. 

Hes not grabbing the rail, he's testing the cages.
 
2020-08-12 3:03:15 PM  
5 votes:
Democrats should be running ads 24/7 in Florida reminding them Trump is going after their SS if elected from now till election day.  Get it to really sink in.
 
2020-08-12 2:58:16 PM  
5 votes:
This is nothing less than a scorched earth retreat.  Trump knows he's going to lose and that it will then be President Biden who gets stuck with having to make up the funding shortfall come April 2021.
 
2020-08-12 2:57:06 PM  
5 votes:
"We're looking at cutting everything so we can end social security, medicare and all non-military programs."

And the right wing rubes who rely on said programs will be laughing their asses off and pointing at the people around them who are being hurt by it while pretending it doesn't affect them.
 
2020-08-12 2:53:06 PM  
5 votes:

Melvin Lovecraft: One of the things I love to hate about Trump is his unerring ability to make the absolute worst choice in any given situation.


He and Mnuchin are trying to sell the idea of a capital gains tax now because rich people don't have enough money.


Dumbest idea ever

"We are looking very seriously at a capital-gains tax cut, and also an income tax cut for middle-income families," Trump said at Monday's news conference, claiming that a reduced taxation of capital gains would "create a lot more jobs."

"We are looking at expanding the cuts that we have already done, but specifically for middle -income families, and you will be hearing about that in the upcoming few weeks," the president added.
 
2020-08-12 2:46:52 PM  
5 votes:
"I've got nothing to lose so I'm pissing on the third rail"

The Beasties knew!
 
2020-08-12 3:10:27 PM  
4 votes:

Evil Mackerel: Twenty years ago if someone told me that it was going to be like this my response would've been. no, there's no way the powers that be would let it slide that badly and yet here we are.

Rabid dogs , something, something.


Had that exact conversation with the Mrs. last night.

Anyone who thinks this will seal Drumpf's fate, don't be so sure. My in-laws, both retired on Social Security and Medicare, remain absolute locks to vote for him in November. Never underestimate the power of misinformation combined with the urge to stiggit.
 
2020-08-12 3:00:49 PM  
4 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?

Trump has said he would "forgive" it if re-elected.


Which of course, he can't legally do. Congress would have to decide on that.
 
2020-08-12 2:06:35 PM  
4 votes:

fragMasterFlash: Don't whiz on the electric fence.


Trump just unzipped his mushroom and took a splatter whiz on the electrified "third rail".  Unfortunately for him those things run from about 1-1.5Kvolts
 
2020-08-12 3:21:04 PM  
3 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Soup4Bonnie: oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?

Trump has said he would "forgive" it if re-elected.

Which of course, he can't legally do. Congress would have to decide on that.


The idea, of course, is to trap Congress into either retroactively approving the deferments or sticking Americans with big tax bills
 
2020-08-12 3:18:24 PM  
3 votes:

groppet: Wow it is like he wants to lose Florida by an epic amount, he will have to move out of the state then.


Well, here's to hoping his property gets confiscated after some RICO charge, or a conviction happens.
 
2020-08-12 3:09:24 PM  
3 votes:

mjones73: oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?

Income tax will surely be, SS and Medicaid are a different deduction and not included in that.


... which is why he doesn't have the statutory authority to do this for SS and Medicaid.

For income tax, the statute says the Treasury Department will set withholding tables, so it's clear that the withholding rate is whatever the IRS (acting on the order of the boss) says it is. If they say it's zero, it's zero. But of course the tax will be due, after the election.

Smart employers will continue to withhold and either remit it to the Treasury or set it aside for future remittance (pending Congressional action that would allow them to do otherwise). Moderately smart employers may stop withholding, but notify their employees that this is at best an interest-free loan. Dumb employers will let their employees think Trump just made them richer.

Not news: the Trump campaign depends on people being dumb.
 
2020-08-12 3:01:21 PM  
3 votes:

Soup4Bonnie: oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?

Trump has said he would "forgive" it if re-elected.

Larry Kudlow says the payroll tax holiday is "a huge economic growth and jobs incentive".

Pence says mmghffmnmdhdmdfff because his head is up Trump's ass all the time and he is even dumber than Trump.


And worth noting, Trump does not have the authority to change tax law, even if this country is stupid enough to re-elect him.

Also worth noting, Larry Kudlow is a farking idiot who is unqualified to comment on the subject.

Also, also worth noting, your description of Pence is pretty close, but Pence demonstrates he's not quite as dumb as Trump by remaining silent most of the time.
 
2020-08-12 2:53:46 PM  
3 votes:
If I didn't think he was narcissistic enough that he desperately wants to remain President just for the status of it, I'd say that he doesn't actually want to win.

That or he banks on derpers being derpy enough to not care about him farking them over, which could really go either way.
 
2020-08-12 2:50:39 PM  
3 votes:
Wait till people discover that Social Security is UBI
 
2020-08-12 3:42:15 PM  
2 votes:
i have been handing this article from Forbes out to some of my misguided Trumpanzee family members. Suffice to say, they have been pretty quiet with their typical MAGA bs since reading it......particularly the seniors.

Defund Social Security And Medicare? Trump's Dangerous Attack On America's Safety Net
Forbes
Aug 10, 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcoh​en​/2020/08/10/defund-social-security-and​-medicare-trumps-dangerous-attack-on-a​mericas-safety-net

By taking executive action to suspend the collection of certain federal payroll taxes until the end of the year, President Trump opened a new front in his longtime battle against the two of the nation's premiere safety net programs, Social Security and Medicare. The question, however, isn't why he did it - the real issue is how much damage Trump is doing to America as we face a potentially unprecedented economic recession.
 
2020-08-12 3:34:07 PM  
2 votes:

fragMasterFlash: Don't whiz on the electric fence.


This and "log" are my favorite games/toys!
 
2020-08-12 3:09:53 PM  
2 votes:
None of the members of Mar a Lago rely on their Social Security checks.
Social Security is capped at 137,000$ per year, so the 1% is minimally affected, while the .1% is insignificantly affected.

Eliminating Social Security payroll tax would save business owners 6.2% of what they pay employees, who match it.

Our retirement is dependent on the ability of pathological greedheads to resist the opportunity to keep an extra 1/16th of their payroll for themselves.

On a side note, anyone got any good catfood recipes?
 
2020-08-12 2:55:55 PM  
2 votes:

NM Volunteer: It's just so stupid.  Unless Congress makes it an actual cut, it is just a delay in the payment of taxes.  Almost as if the purpose of it is to get people to spend a little money now, and in nine months millions will have to get loans from banks or payday loan leeches.


Of course the flailing idiots will freak out when they don't get a tax return for 2020 and owe money.  Of course it'll be MUH TAXIS WENT UP UNDER BIDUN!1!1!!!
 
2020-08-12 2:50:23 PM  
2 votes:

oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?


Income tax will surely be, SS and Medicaid are a different deduction and not included in that.
 
2020-08-12 3:54:47 PM  
1 vote:
First there were "Third Way" Demcrats, now we have "Third Rail" Republicans.
 
2020-08-12 3:18:30 PM  
1 vote:
Donnie has had it with that darned AARP and all those motherf*cking lawyers all up the motherf*cking capitol!
 
2020-08-12 3:16:59 PM  
1 vote:
Wow it is like he wants to lose Florida by an epic amount, he will have to move out of the state then.
 
2020-08-12 3:11:37 PM  
1 vote:

Harry Freakstorm: Plus it will be a tax increase
A Democratic Tax and Spend Plan
No new ideas, the Democrats.
Hurting themselves
Hurting their base
Sad


Your haiku sucks.
 
2020-08-12 3:06:42 PM  
1 vote:

Super Chronic: oldernell: Isn't the tax still due if they don't take it out of your check?

Yes.

That'll be on April 15, well after the election. That's the idea behind the strategy.


Plus it will be a tax increase
A Democratic Tax and Spend Plan
No new ideas, the Democrats.
Hurting themselves
Hurting their base
Sad
 
2020-08-12 2:55:15 PM  
1 vote:

fragMasterFlash: Don't whiz on the electric fence.


That's not really a thing. A urine 'stream' is actually a series of droplets.  Not connected enough to convey electricity.
 
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