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2020-08-12 3:05:43 PM  
35 votes:
"For example, if a person was positive, but no one else would have been considered exposed, that's unlikely to be made public.

Ummmm how would you know if they exposed anybody else if there's no way to know when they got it? Are you God? And all case numbers need to be made public. it's a public health emergency going on in case you didn't know.
 
2020-08-12 3:06:55 PM  
32 votes:
"It's a bad idea but let's do it anyway and hope we don't get caught."

- All of American history
 
2020-08-12 3:10:07 PM  
16 votes:
At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.
 
2020-08-12 3:27:15 PM  
12 votes:

sdd2000: Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.

Repeat after me HIPAA has a public health exception as part of existing law.

45 CFR 164.512(b)   (Download a copy in PDF - PDF)
Background
The HIPAA Privacy Rule recognizes the legitimate need for public health authorities and others responsible for ensuring public health and safety to have access to protected health information to carry out their public health mission. The Rule also recognizes that public health reports made by covered entities are an important means of identifying threats to the health and safety of the public at large, as well as individuals. Accordingly, the Rule permits covered entities to disclose protected health information without authorization for specified public health purposes.

......

Persons at risk of contracting or spreading a disease. A covered entity may disclose protected health information to a person who is at risk of contracting or spreading a disease or condition if other law authorizes the covered entity to notify such individuals as necessary to carry out public health interventions or investigations. For example, a covered health care provider may disclose protected health information as needed to notify a person that (s)he has been exposed to a communicable disease if the covered entity is legally authorized to do so to prevent or control the spread of the disease. See 45 CFR 164.512(b)(1)(iv).


Thank you, I had no idea. Apparently many others don't either.
 
2020-08-12 3:22:43 PM  
12 votes:
Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.

Repeat after me HIPAA has a public health exception as part of existing law.

45 CFR 164.512(b)   (Download a copy in PDF - PDF)
Background
The HIPAA Privacy Rule recognizes the legitimate need for public health authorities and others responsible for ensuring public health and safety to have access to protected health information to carry out their public health mission. The Rule also recognizes that public health reports made by covered entities are an important means of identifying threats to the health and safety of the public at large, as well as individuals. Accordingly, the Rule permits covered entities to disclose protected health information without authorization for specified public health purposes.

......

Persons at risk of contracting or spreading a disease. A covered entity may disclose protected health information to a person who is at risk of contracting or spreading a disease or condition if other law authorizes the covered entity to notify such individuals as necessary to carry out public health interventions or investigations. For example, a covered health care provider may disclose protected health information as needed to notify a person that (s)he has been exposed to a communicable disease if the covered entity is legally authorized to do so to prevent or control the spread of the disease. See 45 CFR 164.512(b)(1)(iv).
 
2020-08-12 3:14:46 PM  
12 votes:

Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.


No names given, no HIPAA violation. It's not ambiguous.
 
2020-08-12 3:20:25 PM  
11 votes:
"For example, if a person was positive, but no one else would have been considered exposed, that's unlikely to be made public."

how can someone supposedly educated say something so stupid

inquiring minds want to know
 
2020-08-12 3:11:12 PM  
11 votes:
Remember!  No testing, no reporting, means no cases!  Your children are perfectly safe!

/Please ignore the paramedics have been reported at 27 schools this week...
//Please also ignore the new refrigeration trucks parked by the morgue...

Everything Is FINE!
 
2020-08-12 3:02:08 PM  
11 votes:
This is monstrous.
 
2020-08-12 3:36:09 PM  
10 votes:

Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.


Our district super is on record saying they won't notify anyone when students or teachers test positive, because of HIPAA. They also don't notify when motherfarking headlice are found in a classroom, for the same reason, unlike every other goddamn district in the area and in all of history. These policies are based on no facts existing in actual goddamn reality.

One thing middle-aged me can now tell teenage-me was entirely correct about: most school administrators are useless, actual, no-bullshiat morons, and they pair that with dangerous levels of entitlement and hubris. In fact they are dumber than a box of rocks, on average.
 
2020-08-12 3:45:15 PM  
7 votes:
"For example, if a person was positive, but no one else would have been considered exposed, that's unlikely to be made public."

How and when could this even happen? Does ANYONE at a school go 2 weeks without physically being in the same room with someone else or touching things other people have to touch?
 
2020-08-12 3:14:41 PM  
7 votes:
Yeah, my workplace, which put us back to work at the beginning of June when we could just as easily work from home, follows the guidelines for "self reporting" but doesn't mandate masks, hasn't taken any appropriate steps to ensure social distancing of workstations, etc.

Despite hearing lots of coughing and sniffling periodically, and people coming in and going out "on vacation", the only time I've heard of even a potential case was when a coworker self-identified/told us he was self-quarantining after going to a party, until his test results came back.

I sincerely doubt they'd tell us if someone was positive either, and hide behind the whole "confidential medical info" or whatever.

Those of us who have at-risk relatives and can't afford to be exposed, well, fark us, you come into the office or you find another job.
 
2020-08-12 3:09:03 PM  
7 votes:
So we won't have a baseline of zero because we won't test everyone? Then we won't tell people if we don't "think" there is reason to believe they've exposed anyone?  This seems like a poorly designed lab experiment more than anything.  Have these people even been in a school?  Have they heard of incidental contact?  Passing in the halls?

I'm not sure how you can make this worse. Make sure no one wears masks?  Add a make out booth for random classmates?
 
2020-08-12 4:22:04 PM  
6 votes:
You know what, if the governors think this is such a wonderful idea. I implore them to work temporarily out of an active classroom for the duration of the pandemic.
 
2020-08-12 3:15:51 PM  
5 votes:

doomjesse: So we won't have a baseline of zero because we won't test everyone? Then we won't tell people if we don't "think" there is reason to believe they've exposed anyone?  This seems like a poorly designed lab experiment more than anything.  Have these people even been in a school?  Have they heard of incidental contact?  Passing in the halls?

I'm not sure how you can make this worse. Make sure no one wears masks?  Add a make out booth for random classmates?


Hmmm.
Claim to be data-driven, but only that data that can be massaged to make the previous decisions look sound.
Declare that it's an early flu outbreak, and not COVID-19.
The makeout booth for random will keep the nerds and geeks safe, but devastate the football team's readiness.

In reality, as it's Delaware, and it makes Delaware look bad, I'm willing to bet that the duPonts will have something to say, quietly, and this plan will be amended.
 
2020-08-12 3:12:32 PM  
5 votes:
Of course I'm also of the opinion that schools should have never been pushed to reopen but the powers that be think otherwise for reasons
 
2020-08-12 4:54:37 PM  
4 votes:

cherryl taggart: For the common cold, once you are exposed, there is a 96 hour window of transmission before you exhibit any symptoms.  This is well documented, so if you are in proximity to anyone and you hear a cough, sniffle, or sneeze, in 4 days you are going to be having that sore throat.

Has a window of transmission been firmly established for Covid19 yet?  I've heard everything from 24 hours from exposure to symptoms to 2 weeks from exposure to fever.

The schools want their money and if the kids are on the property, the revenue is way down.  Screw the health concerns, get those dollars flowing.


The CDC web site has it at 2-14 days.

The WHO puts the median around 5 days.
 
2020-08-12 3:32:48 PM  
4 votes:
"I take no responsibility!"
 
2020-08-12 6:42:27 PM  
3 votes:

fallingcow: Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.

Our district super is on record saying they won't notify anyone when students or teachers test positive, because of HIPAA. They also don't notify when motherfarking headlice are found in a classroom, for the same reason, unlike every other goddamn district in the area and in all of history. These policies are based on no facts existing in actual goddamn reality.

One thing middle-aged me can now tell teenage-me was entirely correct about: most school administrators are useless, actual, no-bullshiat morons, and they pair that with dangerous levels of entitlement and hubris. In fact they are dumber than a box of rocks, on average.


Unless your district is a medical service provider or insurance company, HIPAA doesn't apply to them.
 
2020-08-12 4:56:37 PM  
3 votes:

sdd2000: Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.

Repeat after me HIPAA has a public health exception as part of existing law.

45 CFR 164.512(b)   (Download a copy in PDF - PDF)
Background
The HIPAA Privacy Rule recognizes the legitimate need for public health authorities and others responsible for ensuring public health and safety to have access to protected health information to carry out their public health mission. The Rule also recognizes that public health reports made by covered entities are an important means of identifying threats to the health and safety of the public at large, as well as individuals. Accordingly, the Rule permits covered entities to disclose protected health information without authorization for specified public health purposes.

......

Persons at risk of contracting or spreading a disease. A covered entity may disclose protected health information to a person who is at risk of contracting or spreading a disease or condition if other law authorizes the covered entity to notify such individuals as necessary to carry out public health interventions or investigations. For example, a covered health care provider may disclose protected health information as needed to notify a person that (s)he has been exposed to a communicable disease if the covered entity is legally authorized to do so to prevent or control the spread of the disease. See 45 CFR 164.512(b)(1)(iv).


Thank you! Downloaded and printed. This may be useful if/when my wife's school board attempts something like this. Good to be armed with reliable information. Much obliged.
 
2020-08-12 4:30:46 PM  
3 votes:
Totally off-topic, but does anyone know what's wrong with websites like this one and Yahoo News where it disappears the story entirely if you click on the page? It's so frustrating.
 
2020-08-12 4:45:45 PM  
2 votes:
fallingcow:
One thing middle-aged me can now tell teenage-me was entirely correct about: most school administrators are useless, actual, no-bullshiat morons, and they pair that with dangerous levels of entitlement and hubris. In fact they are dumber than a box of rocks, on average.

Yes I've actually watched our local board of education meetings the last few months, trying to see what they'll do for the fall. It's amazing how incompetent they all are. Two of them constantly referred to "prayer" as the solution, one would doze off, and the rest never asked any questions of administrators like... what are our options for the fall?
 
2020-08-12 4:28:52 PM  
2 votes:
I feel empathy for Delaware parents and children. But I'm glad to know that my home state of Georgia isn't the only festering sore of derp. The sooner the morans hear about what is happening the better.
 
2020-08-12 3:20:37 PM  
2 votes:
Schools are vile cesspools of disease. Always have been. It's the perfect storm of selfish, uncaring (or if caring, then certainly inept) vectors in close-contact situations inside stuffy poorly-ventilated rooms.

And that's just Grad School. Don't get me started on K-12.
 
2020-08-12 3:11:19 PM  
2 votes:
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2020-08-13 1:07:29 PM  
1 vote:
I am really happy with the solution that Delaware has come up with (and I live here).  There are kids who simply can't learn in an at home environment.  There are kids who don't have access to computers and broadband.  There are kids with special needs.  These kids should absolutely have the chance to go in to see a teacher.  The parent's who don't want their kids going into the school can keep their kids home, since there will also be a remote learning option as well.  Since the number of kids that will be going into classrooms will probably be significantly reduced, there will be more chances for proper distancing.

This is not Georgia, where everyone was required to go back to the classroom.  This is a hybrid approach that puts the power in the hands of the parents and the students.
 
2020-08-12 10:20:29 PM  
1 vote:
These are the same people who wanted to brand the foreheads of AIDS patients.
 
2020-08-12 5:40:56 PM  
1 vote:

captain anonymous: I feel empathy for Delaware parents and children. But I'm glad to know that my home state of Georgia isn't the only festering sore of derp. The sooner the morans hear about what is happening the better.


California new cases is making Georgia look like a sterile lab environment.
 
2020-08-12 4:46:50 PM  
1 vote:

dothemath: I knew a whore once in Wilmington. She had a glass eye... used to take it out and wink people off for a dollar.


Ew. You are nasty.
 
2020-08-12 3:49:16 PM  
1 vote:

Lumber Jack Off: sdd2000: Lumber Jack Off: At this point I'd be okay if they made it a temporary measure to suspend HIPAA in regards to anything COVID related and only COVID. The only reason we keep seeing this shiat is because everyone is afraid of law suits if they violate HIPAA. If we're not going to do contract tracing and full masks mandates like other countries it's the least we could farking do. Especially for places that don't have cameras everywhere to determine who exactly was in contact. People have a right to know damn it.

Repeat after me HIPAA has a public health exception as part of existing law.

45 CFR 164.512(b)   (Download a copy in PDF - PDF)
Background
The HIPAA Privacy Rule recognizes the legitimate need for public health authorities and others responsible for ensuring public health and safety to have access to protected health information to carry out their public health mission. The Rule also recognizes that public health reports made by covered entities are an important means of identifying threats to the health and safety of the public at large, as well as individuals. Accordingly, the Rule permits covered entities to disclose protected health information without authorization for specified public health purposes.

......

Persons at risk of contracting or spreading a disease. A covered entity may disclose protected health information to a person who is at risk of contracting or spreading a disease or condition if other law authorizes the covered entity to notify such individuals as necessary to carry out public health interventions or investigations. For example, a covered health care provider may disclose protected health information as needed to notify a person that (s)he has been exposed to a communicable disease if the covered entity is legally authorized to do so to prevent or control the spread of the disease. See 45 CFR 164.512(b)(1)(iv).

Thank you, I had no idea. Apparently many others don't either.


Checked the source material, it's apparently the same chapter of exception as "we also will allow you to release medical records relating to child abuse".
 
2020-08-12 3:47:25 PM  
1 vote:
'Murica.
 
2020-08-12 3:34:55 PM  
1 vote:
I knew a whore once in Wilmington. She had a glass eye... used to take it out and wink people off for a dollar.
 
2020-08-12 3:01:08 PM  
1 vote:
And you know who lives in Delaware?  JOE BIDEN!!!
 
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