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2020-08-12 10:31:31 AM  
"Who are you? How did you get in here?"
 
2020-08-12 10:40:10 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: "Who are you? How did you get in here?"


Judging by the video?

"I'm a locksmith, and........I used an angle grinder because that lock is 'unpickable'"
 
2020-08-12 10:40:28 AM  
So ass hole locks his bike and loses the key, pays a locksmith who says fark it and grinds off the $75 lock while said owner ass hole hems and haws about some YouTube channel the locksmith hasn't heard of and then sends the lock to the YouTube guy to prove some point?

You pay a locksmith to remove the lock and replace it and most are trained on doors or cars, not bike locks

sure if he was going to take the time to google each model of lock and carry every tool he could have done this but he was paid $75 to get the lock removed and did it

I'm sure he spent time researching the lock and learning the tool beyond the few seconds of the video and the locksmith hired doesn't care. It isn't worth his time as most people ordering his services want access to whatever is locked more than they care about the lock

If anything he did them a favor as they had lost the key and apparently it is a shiat lock
 
2020-08-12 10:42:25 AM  
I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.
 
2020-08-12 10:50:27 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


He's pretty quick in most videos to address the need for a special tool "That he and Bosnian Bill designed" to pick a large number of disc-based locking mechanisms.

Most of the other picks are accomplished with off the shelf kits you can buy on Amazon for under $30, and in some cases, a simple tool like a bent wire is all you need.

I would suspect that most bike thefts are crimes of opportunity.  Thieves see a nice bike with a cheap lock, and it's not secured in an area with a lot of foot traffic, and it's going to be the first thing they go for.

If you commute with a bike, find something that's not flashy or "new" looking at all, and invest in a decent lock that deters low skill attacks, and might take a skilled thief more time than they're willing to risk for the bike itself.
 
2020-08-12 10:57:19 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


I'd say 99% of the locks he gets with simple picks. Some of the challenge locks and locks that are designed to be extremely pick resistant he has used some specialty tools on but those are more of a novelty.

"locksmiths" prefer to replace locks rather than just opening them or re-keying them as they make more money that way. Also most of them don't have the skill.  And thieves never pick locks. They just smash and go.
 
2020-08-12 10:59:44 AM  

markie_farkie: If you commute with a bike, find something that's not flashy or "new" looking at all, and invest in a decent lock that deters low skill attacks, and might take a skilled thief more time than they're willing to risk for the bike itself.


Safes are rated in TL for how long a thief trying with cutting tools could take to get in. A 15 min safe in your home might not help since if they already have access to the safe they might have the 15 min. Inside say an office building with alarm system that safe is fine.

A bike lock that will take a thief 10 min to crack vs 1 makes a huge difference. They are looking for convince and not getting caught. At the same time you want one that takes you 30 seconds max to unlock and not 10 min to unwind some heavy chain you have carry around.

Even if the lock mechanism is crap it if it looks scary it can accomplish it's goal as long as it is general knowledge (security through obscurity)
 
2020-08-12 11:01:50 AM  
The real value of lockpicking lawyer is that it reveals how insecure most typical locks are. Especially on things like electronic gun safes. I don't think he has found one yet that couldn't be opened by dropping it six inches or with a magnet or a fork or something.
 
2020-08-12 11:02:52 AM  

thatguyoverthere70: "Who are you? How did you get in here?"


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2020-08-12 11:37:24 AM  
 Was it a Carbondale, because those are made with the same steel they used on the Titanic?
 
2020-08-12 11:39:09 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


Pathetic?
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2020-08-12 11:42:37 AM  

I dont want to be on this planet anymore: same steel they used on the Titanic


It's been rusting at the bottom of the sea for a hundred years or so, not very good steel I'm afraid.
 
2020-08-12 11:44:43 AM  
People with literally ANY skill, no matter how specialized, pointless, or esoteric it might be, will find a way to base their self-worth on it and become unbearable, hubris-saturated idiots.

See also, all musicians, nearly all IT people, all social workers, most doctors, all athletes...
 
2020-08-12 11:45:18 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


No, the average bike thief has a bolt cutter or cordless angle grinder with a cutoff wheel.

The trick to bike locks is to use one that makes a more expensive bike easier to steal than your cheap bike.
 
2020-08-12 11:50:53 AM  

zedster: So ass hole locks his bike and loses the key, pays a locksmith who says fark it and grinds off the $75 lock while said owner ass hole hems and haws about some YouTube channel the locksmith hasn't heard of and then sends the lock to the YouTube guy to prove some point?

You pay a locksmith to remove the lock and replace it and most are trained on doors or cars, not bike locks

sure if he was going to take the time to google each model of lock and carry every tool he could have done this but he was paid $75 to get the lock removed and did it

I'm sure he spent time researching the lock and learning the tool beyond the few seconds of the video and the locksmith hired doesn't care. It isn't worth his time as most people ordering his services want access to whatever is locked more than they care about the lock

If anything he did them a favor as they had lost the key and apparently it is a shiat lock


This is one of those situations where everyone is an asshole.

biker for being a dumbass and losing his key also antagonizes the locksmith comparing his work to youtube videos.

locksmith for not being honest and just saying he didn't have the proper tools / training to pick the lock.

LPL for not mentioning that the tool he was using was specifically designed by him and another prominent youtube locksmith for opening precisely this type of lock. he does briefly mention it at the beginning of the video. but doesn't quite elaborate enough. also as someone mentioned even if he didn't practice on this exact lock he has likely had lots of practice some similar models.
 
2020-08-12 11:54:29 AM  
TIL arguing about lockpicking videos is a thing.

Something for everyone, I guess.

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2020-08-12 11:56:17 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


I've watched a few too, but I never had the impression he was asserting that he was doing something the average thief would be likely to do, as opposed to just cutting the lock off. In fact, I seem to recall him saying something just to that effect in one of the videos he made.
 
2020-08-12 11:57:53 AM  

zedster: So ass hole locks his bike and loses the key,


You sure have a sore ass over it.
 
2020-08-12 12:00:16 PM  

MoriartyLives: People with literally ANY skill, no matter how specialized, pointless, or esoteric it might be, will find a way to base their self-worth on it and become unbearable, hubris-saturated idiots.

See also, all musicians, nearly all IT people, all social workers, most doctors, all athletes...


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2020-08-12 12:07:30 PM  
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That band-aid suggests this is take two
 
2020-08-12 12:14:10 PM  

MoriartyLives: People with literally ANY skill, no matter how specialized, pointless, or esoteric it might be, will find a way to base their self-worth on it and become unbearable, hubris-saturated idiots.

See also, all musicians, nearly all IT people, all social workers, most doctors, all athletes...


So the only way to win your social approval is to be complete shiat at everything you've ever tried to do?  You must be an absolute joy to be around.
 
2020-08-12 12:14:52 PM  

friendlytarget: [Fark user image 425x325]
That band-aid suggests this is take two


...huh? Yeah, he rewrapped the package exactly as he had received it after cutting his thumb while opening it, therefore it's obvious he cheated.

JFC, or just maybe he does shiat throughout the day (or even on previous days) other than wait for poorly-trained locksmiths to send him "challenges" that take 28 seconds for a skilled person to open?
 
2020-08-12 12:15:37 PM  
khitsicker:

This is one of those situations where everyone is an asshole.

biker for being a dumbass and losing his key also antagonizes the locksmith comparing his work to youtube videos.

locksmith for not being honest and just saying he didn't have the proper tools / training to pick the lock.

LPL for not mentioning that the tool he was using was specifically designed by him and another prominent youtube locksmith for opening precisely this type of lock. he does briefly mention it at the beginning of the video. but doesn't quite elaborate enough. also as someone mentioned even if he didn't practice on this exact lock he has likely had lots of practice some similar models.


Although the tool the LPL used was custom designed, it was based off readily available and cheap disc detainer tools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNNoHlA4Vc ).   The LPL did say that picking that kind of lock is a specialized skill, but isn't that what differentiates a locksmith from, say, just some guy with a cordless grinder?
 
2020-08-12 12:17:56 PM  
JFC, He even had a video where he talks about that tool and how they found a manufacturer to make a low cost version.

/SHE TRADED HER VOICE TO THE SEA WITCH AND GOT LEGS
//GEEZE, MAN
 
2020-08-12 12:21:37 PM  

FrabjousDay: khitsicker:

This is one of those situations where everyone is an asshole.

biker for being a dumbass and losing his key also antagonizes the locksmith comparing his work to youtube videos.

locksmith for not being honest and just saying he didn't have the proper tools / training to pick the lock.

LPL for not mentioning that the tool he was using was specifically designed by him and another prominent youtube locksmith for opening precisely this type of lock. he does briefly mention it at the beginning of the video. but doesn't quite elaborate enough. also as someone mentioned even if he didn't practice on this exact lock he has likely had lots of practice some similar models.

Although the tool the LPL used was custom designed, it was based off readily available and cheap disc detainer tools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNNoHlA4Vc ).   The LPL did say that picking that kind of lock is a specialized skill, but isn't that what differentiates a locksmith from, say, just some guy with a cordless grinder?


In the video linked for this thread he specifically said that he wouldn't expect most working professional lockpicks to have the skill/tools needed for picking this sort of lock.
 
2020-08-12 12:22:40 PM  
I mean, he even says in the video that we shouldn't expect regular locksmiths to be able to pick open this type of lock. Not really seeing how the LPL's being an asshole at all here.
 
2020-08-12 12:24:49 PM  

zedster: Safes are rated in TL for how long a thief trying with cutting tools could take to get in. A 15 min safe in your home might not help since if they already have access to the safe they might have the 15 min. Inside say an office building with alarm system that safe is fine.


Thief - The First Heist
Youtube aJIn7batAtc


Awesome movie
 
2020-08-12 12:25:56 PM  
[801] My Wife vs. Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream Lock
Youtube lod_LUp3ggc
 
2020-08-12 12:27:05 PM  

FrabjousDay: khitsicker:

This is one of those situations where everyone is an asshole.

biker for being a dumbass and losing his key also antagonizes the locksmith comparing his work to youtube videos.

locksmith for not being honest and just saying he didn't have the proper tools / training to pick the lock.

LPL for not mentioning that the tool he was using was specifically designed by him and another prominent youtube locksmith for opening precisely this type of lock. he does briefly mention it at the beginning of the video. but doesn't quite elaborate enough. also as someone mentioned even if he didn't practice on this exact lock he has likely had lots of practice some similar models.

Although the tool the LPL used was custom designed, it was based off readily available and cheap disc detainer tools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNNoHlA4Vc ).   The LPL did say that picking that kind of lock is a specialized skill, but isn't that what differentiates a locksmith from, say, just some guy with a cordless grinder?


what he didn't say though in the original video is that all those other tools are either bad quality and don't work or custom made and very expensive. either way not something a random locksmith would have and that the tool they developed took the better part of a year and are completely sold out. Those kryptonite locks are extremely difficult to pick with out specialized tools.

i wouldn't expect a random locksmith would have the tools to pick every lock all the time. the owners at fault for not verifying that the locksmith could pick the lock before he came out. the locksmith was at fault for not being honest about the lock being "unpickable" and issuing a challenge which he will undoubtedly lose.
 
2020-08-12 12:33:54 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: [YouTube video: [801] My Wife vs. Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream Lock]


Christ, what an asshole apparently.
 
2020-08-12 12:35:57 PM  

zedster: So ass hole locks his bike and loses the key, pays a locksmith who says fark it and grinds off the $75 lock while said owner ass hole hems and haws about some YouTube channel the locksmith hasn't heard of and then sends the lock to the YouTube guy to prove some point?

You pay a locksmith to remove the lock and replace it and most are trained on doors or cars, not bike locks

sure if he was going to take the time to google each model of lock and carry every tool he could have done this but he was paid $75 to get the lock removed and did it

I'm sure he spent time researching the lock and learning the tool beyond the few seconds of the video and the locksmith hired doesn't care. It isn't worth his time as most people ordering his services want access to whatever is locked more than they care about the lock

If anything he did them a favor as they had lost the key and apparently it is a shiat lock


I had a locksmith say "it's a dead bolt so I'll have to drill it out" and spent like 10 minutes drilling and making a mess.  Now I know how easy it is to pick them and can't imagine why he didn't even try to rake it.  Could have been 10 seconds, no mess, no destroyed deadbolt.  And he didn't try to sell me a new deadbolt...

Maybe they should have more informative names for who you're hiring like "lockpicker" or "lockdestroyer" so it's more clear.
 
2020-08-12 12:37:51 PM  
Check out his video where he repeatedly probes his ex girlfriend's back door.
 
2020-08-12 12:38:47 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: [YouTube video: [801] My Wife vs. Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream Lock]


That's actually pretty hilarious. His low-key delivery makes it funnier.
 
2020-08-12 12:39:28 PM  

Ker_Thwap: I've watched a few of these videos.  Yes, a lot of locks are really poorly designed, but...  I think it's a bit pathetic when he brags about how simple and quick it is to pick the locks, when he has to buy or design and machine a custom single purpose tool to pick the lock.  There's nothing simple about creating a single use tool.

Does the average bike thief really carry around a tool box with a dozen tools?  Or is the average bike thief more of a crime of opportunity type of thief.


You can just buy those tools. On top of that you don't NEED to use the tool he uses.
 
2020-08-12 12:40:05 PM  
I just read lockpickinglawyer, no skills and challenge.

He picked it in under a minute, didn't he?
 
2020-08-12 12:46:34 PM  

FormlessOne: friendlytarget: [Fark user image 425x325]
That band-aid suggests this is take two

...huh? Yeah, he rewrapped the package exactly as he had received it after cutting his thumb while opening it, therefore it's obvious he cheated.

JFC, or just maybe he does shiat throughout the day (or even on previous days) other than wait for poorly-trained locksmiths to send him "challenges" that take 28 seconds for a skilled person to open?


Lighten up Frances. It was a little funny.
 
2020-08-12 12:46:48 PM  
The dumbass could have bought a cordless grinder for $75 and then he'd have that and his bike.
 
2020-08-12 12:48:21 PM  
Calling a lock smith when you need a lock picker makes no sense, linguistically.
 
2020-08-12 12:57:34 PM  

recondite cetacean: Calling a lock smith when you need a lock picker makes no sense, linguistically.


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2020-08-12 12:59:58 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: The dumbass could have bought a cordless grinder for $75 and then he'd have that and his bike.


Depending on were he was, he probably could have bought an Uber ride home to get his spare hey and then back again and he'd still have his lock too.
 
2020-08-12 1:01:28 PM  
LPL is informative and entertaining. He exposes shoddy and overrated products and leaves it to the viewer to decide for themselves their worth. He produces polished videos that should serve as examples of how to YouTube.

Here's a gem from a while ago:


[851] I Won $100 By Picking This Lock!
Youtube UcEnYRa74zM


Note the difference in attitude between this locksmith's challenge and the BS-caller's.
 
2020-08-12 1:08:19 PM  
I bought some new locks for my house and brought them to the local locksmith to get them keyed all the same.  When I was there I commented that the company bragged that these were the best, most resistant locks available.  He smirked and said watch this.  Pulled out a tensioner and a rake, 2 passes with the rake and open.  I was dumbfounded.  He said that few thieves use picks, they are more likely to kick in your door, or just walk in because you left it unlocked like a dumb ass.
 
2020-08-12 1:22:20 PM  
Lockpicking lawyer isn't a locksmith.  He's a magician.

... I mean that literally, he's using foreknowledge of the internal mechanisms of whatever specific lock he's working on and corresponding specialized tools to put on an impressive show, they're classic magician escape-artist tricks.

Like... dude's solution in that video was to pull out a custom-made machined tool designed not just for that specific brand of lock, but that model, with grading on the spacer requiring that he already know the precise spacing of the tumblers.  That's not what a locksmith does, a locksmith has to show up with, at most, a quantity of tools that fits in the back of a car to deal with a lock they know nothing about in advance.  It's an entire different process where academic knowledge is irrelevant because applying such knowledge would be essentially impossible.

// I'm not saying LL is bad.  I love magic shows in general and stuff like Penn & Teller's old shtick where they go over the actual mechanics of illusions are the best part.  I'm just pointing out that he's not a locksmith, he's an entertainer doing proof of concept demonstrations.
 
2020-08-12 1:29:33 PM  

mongbiohazard: FrabjousDay: khitsicker:

This is one of those situations where everyone is an asshole.

biker for being a dumbass and losing his key also antagonizes the locksmith comparing his work to youtube videos.

locksmith for not being honest and just saying he didn't have the proper tools / training to pick the lock.

LPL for not mentioning that the tool he was using was specifically designed by him and another prominent youtube locksmith for opening precisely this type of lock. he does briefly mention it at the beginning of the video. but doesn't quite elaborate enough. also as someone mentioned even if he didn't practice on this exact lock he has likely had lots of practice some similar models.

Although the tool the LPL used was custom designed, it was based off readily available and cheap disc detainer tools (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNNoHlA4Vc ).   The LPL did say that picking that kind of lock is a specialized skill, but isn't that what differentiates a locksmith from, say, just some guy with a cordless grinder?

In the video linked for this thread he specifically said that he wouldn't expect most working professional lockpicks to have the skill/tools needed for picking this sort of lock.


True, but if you've been a locksmith for 25 years and brag about your leet skills while calling bullshiat on someone else what's your excuse for not having the skills/tools of the trade? I mean, one guy is a professional who makes a living off it, the other guy is a hobbyist on the internet. Imagine if all trades worked this way. Doctors, mechanics, lawyers, etc.
 
2020-08-12 1:37:09 PM  
Jim_Callahan

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solution in that video was to pull out a custom-made machined tool designed not just for that specific brand of lock, but that model, with grading on the spacer requiring that he already know the precise spacing of the tumblers

No. That tool will accommodate any disc-detainer core that it will fit in and that tensions off the first disc, or even one of the intermediate discs. It is a refinement of cheap-chinesium disc picks available on Amazon and elsewhere, and the marks on the barrel are simply for reference, since most discs are around that spacing. There are instances where it won't work with locks that tension off the last disc, or where discs are significantly narrower that usual. The skill required is the ability to identify the discs by feel, and to recognize false gates when present. It takes practice.
 
2020-08-12 1:41:19 PM  
Wait. He said "disc detainer pick" and not "the disc detainer pick that Bosnia Bill and I made."

Fake video!!
 
2020-08-12 1:46:15 PM  
BubbaZinetti

Pulled out a tensioner and a rake, 2 passes with the rake and open.

Bitting, pinning, and manufacturing tolerances combine to allow that. Locks that can be raked should get an Inigo look.
 
2020-08-12 1:55:44 PM  
An awful lot of people here, and on reddit, base their self worth on which idiots they watch on YouTube.
 
2020-08-12 1:58:56 PM  

big pig peaches: justanotherfarkinfarker: The dumbass could have bought a cordless grinder for $75 and then he'd have that and his bike.

Depending on were he was, he probably could have bought an Uber ride home to get his spare hey and then back again and he'd still have his lock too.


This.

When I'm out biking, I see people who carry an air pump, spare tube and a tool kit.

I carry cab fare.
 
2020-08-12 2:23:35 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Wait. He said "disc detainer pick" and not "the disc detainer pick that Bosnia Bill and I made."

Fake video!!


It doesn't make the video fake and it doesn't diminish LPLs skill. It just makes him a bit of a dick to only mention it in a passing sentence. "the average american locksmith generally wouldn't have the tools / skills" comes off a bit differently than "look kid 99% of locksmiths aren't going to be able to pick this and i wouldn't expect the locksmith to refund your money when i pick this lock in 28 seconds". You wouldn't expect the AAA guy that come to rescue you on the side of the road to know every fix for every problem for every car or truck and then have the tools and parts to fix it there would you? like I said everyone in this video was a bit of an ass. Normally LPL is better. I guess the challenge from a dipshiat locksmith went to his head.
 
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