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2020-08-12 9:38:14 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: dirkhardly: And people who are alleging illegal arrests let alone anything legally resembling kidnapping, as far as anyone in the general public knows these federal LEOs could have identified protesters suspected of federal crimes, presented evidence of PC to a federal judge and were issued a perfectly legit arrest warrant. This isn't information generally available to the public (at least not initially) and yet look how many people keep claiming that didn't happen without any knowledge or evidence whatsoever. Probably the same kind of people who have no idea how federal vs state jurisdiction works.

They could have, but didn't.


I'm sure this conclusion was reached with the same rigorous mental processes you've shown so far, i.e. pulled right out of your ass
 
2020-08-12 9:41:02 AM  

dirkhardly: cameroncrazy1984: dirkhardly: And people who are alleging illegal arrests let alone anything legally resembling kidnapping, as far as anyone in the general public knows these federal LEOs could have identified protesters suspected of federal crimes, presented evidence of PC to a federal judge and were issued a perfectly legit arrest warrant. This isn't information generally available to the public (at least not initially) and yet look how many people keep claiming that didn't happen without any knowledge or evidence whatsoever. Probably the same kind of people who have no idea how federal vs state jurisdiction works.

They could have, but didn't.

I'm sure this conclusion was reached with the same rigorous mental processes you've shown so far, i.e. pulled right out of your ass


You're sure about a lot of things that never happened
 
2020-08-12 9:43:00 AM  

RyogaM: Unless the DHS officers gave their full names and governmental identification on the arrest reports, either as the arresting officers or supposed victims, it would be a complete waste of time, anyway.  This was an intimidation tactic, nothing more.


Would be hilarious if he charged them with kidnapping though.

Which is what it was.
 
2020-08-12 9:50:21 AM  

cannibalparrot: RyogaM: Unless the DHS officers gave their full names and governmental identification on the arrest reports, either as the arresting officers or supposed victims, it would be a complete waste of time, anyway.  This was an intimidation tactic, nothing more.

Would be hilarious if he charged them with kidnapping though.

Which is what it was.


You and the person you replied to just have no idea what's going on here do you? And not understanding the basic facts of the situation you go all the way to a County DA prosecuting federal LEOs for kidnapping? Just amazingly ignorant
 
2020-08-12 9:51:20 AM  

PanicAttack: Not to mention the Feds repeatedly violated their restraining order by targeting the press with weapons, trying to prevent them from recording events, and in some cases, arresting them without cause.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/f​ederal-agents-shoot-portland-reporter-​hours-after-judge-issues-restraining-o​rder-to-protect-journalists-during-pro​tests/


I could use some clarification on this.

How are the Feds supposed to know who is a journalist, press or media vs. a yelp blogger?

Is it because they have a camera?  microphone?  wearing a shirt that says "press"?  they printed a press badge and put it on a lanyard?

if so, then just have everyone at the protest wear a shirt that says "press"?
 
2020-08-12 9:55:48 AM  
oh, i can post pics of messes left behind too

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2020-08-12 9:57:46 AM  

Hyjamon: PanicAttack: Not to mention the Feds repeatedly violated their restraining order by targeting the press with weapons, trying to prevent them from recording events, and in some cases, arresting them without cause.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/f​ederal-agents-shoot-portland-reporter-​hours-after-judge-issues-restraining-o​rder-to-protect-journalists-during-pro​tests/

I could use some clarification on this.

How are the Feds supposed to know who is a journalist, press or media vs. a yelp blogger?

Is it because they have a camera?  microphone?  wearing a shirt that says "press"?  they printed a press badge and put it on a lanyard?

if so, then just have everyone at the protest wear a shirt that says "press"?


This aspect of the Freedom of the Press isn't actually clear and doesn't have a lot of case law or a clear rule. As of now it is not clear if members of the Press have any greater right of access to these situations than the general public, especially given something like a lawful order to disperse. This could very well make its way through the Courts and the modern nature of mass media and public access to the means to publish will certainly have an impact
 
2020-08-12 10:02:39 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]


Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!
 
2020-08-12 10:05:27 AM  

RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!


I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.
 
2020-08-12 10:08:59 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]


That's cleaner than any country music festival I've seen.
 
2020-08-12 10:15:49 AM  

dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.


What about all those wrongly arrested?  All of those injured bystanders?  They should also be paid.

Glad at least that you've recognised it as mischief rather than all-out war against bigotry which you righties can't abide for some strange reason.
 
2020-08-12 10:16:20 AM  

dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.


So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?
 
2020-08-12 10:19:27 AM  
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2020-08-12 10:19:57 AM  

dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.


Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.
 
2020-08-12 10:20:04 AM  

The Envoy: dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.

What about all those wrongly arrested?  All of those injured bystanders?  They should also be paid.

Glad at least that you've recognised it as mischief rather than all-out war against bigotry which you righties can't abide for some strange reason.


If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.
 
2020-08-12 10:20:24 AM  

dirkhardly: This aspect of the Freedom of the Press isn't actually clear and doesn't have a lot of case law or a clear rule. As of now it is not clear if members of the Press have any greater right of access to these situations than the general public, especially given something like a lawful order to disperse. This could very well make its way through the Courts and the modern nature of mass media and public access to the means to publish will certainly have an impact


thanks.  I have seen embeds where the press labelled body armors in battlefields, which may allow them to be captured rather than killed.

I also remember a Vice report about Ukraine/Russia conflict.  it was at a place where the two forces were at a standoff across a bridge or small patch of land.  reporters interview people on one side then cross the zone of conflict to the other and interview them.  it was wild and ballsy of the reporters to rely on that "press" label to safely cross.
 
2020-08-12 10:21:41 AM  

RyogaM: Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.


Municipal court costs very little... there is no need for this to go to county, state or federal court.  Pretty much exactly like a driving offense.
 
2020-08-12 10:22:15 AM  

RyogaM: That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars,


shiat, did I say hundreds there?  I'm sorry, thousands, if not tens of thousands, per trial.  Good luck.
 
2020-08-12 10:22:29 AM  

dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.


Which federal laws did they violate? Please identify them by U.S. Code sections counselor.
 
2020-08-12 10:24:20 AM  

dwrash: The Envoy: dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.

What about all those wrongly arrested?  All of those injured bystanders?  They should also be paid.

Glad at least that you've recognised it as mischief rather than all-out war against bigotry which you righties can't abide for some strange reason.

If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.


If there[sic] were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.

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2020-08-12 10:24:49 AM  

dwrash: If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.


Good luck with THAT theory in court, counselor.  Oh, wait, you spoke at a BLM protest, didn't you?  And members of BLM spraypainted the federal building in Washington.  Hey, guys, dwarsh is guilty of the graffitti in Portland, make him pay!
 
2020-08-12 10:26:53 AM  

dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.


who paid the overtime for the federal agents that were also there and part of the mess?  how about we call them to clean up?  they are already on the payroll anyway.
 
2020-08-12 10:27:45 AM  

dwrash: RyogaM: Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.

Municipal court costs very little... there is no need for this to go to county, state or federal court.  Pretty much exactly like a driving offense.


You have no idea what you are talking about.  Literally.
 
2020-08-12 10:29:30 AM  

RyogaM: dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.

Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.


Yet it is consistent...look at the 'drug test welfare recipients" in FL, cost more than the savings.

I always use this analogy: some people will hire security at $100 a day to prevent $5 loss due to theft.
 
2020-08-12 10:34:22 AM  

sdd2000: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

Which federal laws did they violate? Please identify them by U.S. Code sections counselor.


Everyone is seeming to make the same conflation, starting with subby. This County DA is talking about people arrested by state/local police on state/local charges. People arrested by federal LEOs on federal charges will have their fates decided by the Federal DA. There is no reason to believe any particular person belongs to both groups but it's certainly not impossible
 
2020-08-12 10:34:36 AM  

Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?


And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?
 
2020-08-12 10:34:47 AM  

RyogaM: dwrash: If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.

Good luck with THAT theory in court, counselor.  Oh, wait, you spoke at a BLM protest, didn't you?  And members of BLM spraypainted the federal building in Washington.  Hey, guys, dwarsh is guilty of the graffitti in Portland, make him pay!


We were very explicit up front that violence and vandalism at our rally would be quelled by the rally members themselves.  It was interesting to hear the local head of the NAACP inform people that if they started to riot and stuff that they themselves would beat you down rather than the police.
 
2020-08-12 10:38:33 AM  

RyogaM: dwrash: RyogaM: Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.

Municipal court costs very little... there is no need for this to go to county, state or federal court.  Pretty much exactly like a driving offense.

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Literally.


Someone needs to explain to the diaper rash the concept and costs of trial de novo from municipal court decisions.
 
2020-08-12 10:40:41 AM  

dwrash: RyogaM: dwrash: If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.

Good luck with THAT theory in court, counselor.  Oh, wait, you spoke at a BLM protest, didn't you?  And members of BLM spraypainted the federal building in Washington.  Hey, guys, dwarsh is guilty of the graffitti in Portland, make him pay!

We were very explicit up front that violence and vandalism at our rally would be quelled by the rally members themselves.  It was interesting to hear the local head of the NAACP inform people that if they started to riot and stuff that they themselves would beat you down rather than the police.


So, you supported an organization that threatened to violently attack people if they didn't do as you demand instead of calling the civil authorities tasked with maintaining order.  Who was that NAACP officials name, I'd like to talk to him.
 
2020-08-12 10:42:56 AM  

Hyjamon: dirkhardly: This aspect of the Freedom of the Press isn't actually clear and doesn't have a lot of case law or a clear rule. As of now it is not clear if members of the Press have any greater right of access to these situations than the general public, especially given something like a lawful order to disperse. This could very well make its way through the Courts and the modern nature of mass media and public access to the means to publish will certainly have an impact

thanks.  I have seen embeds where the press labelled body armors in battlefields, which may allow them to be captured rather than killed.

I also remember a Vice report about Ukraine/Russia conflict.  it was at a place where the two forces were at a standoff across a bridge or small patch of land.  reporters interview people on one side then cross the zone of conflict to the other and interview them.  it was wild and ballsy of the reporters to rely on that "press" label to safely cross.


Your instinct on the blurring of the lines between the Press and public is spot on and it'll be interesting to see how that comes out. We've come a long way from when your only real option was to find a printing press. And that line has become especially blurred in the last decade or so and the law hasn't really kept up. Then again it hasn't really needed to do so urgently but it's looking like that may change
 
2020-08-12 10:50:21 AM  

RyogaM: So, you supported an organization that threatened to violently attack people if they didn't do as you demand instead of calling the civil authorities tasked with maintaining order.  Who was that NAACP officials name, I'd like to talk to him.


Oh, hey, nevermind, I found it on the NAACP Pennsylvania website, under Pottstown.  I'll ask him myself.
 
2020-08-12 10:51:04 AM  

RyogaM: RyogaM: So, you supported an organization that threatened to violently attack people if they didn't do as you demand instead of calling the civil authorities tasked with maintaining order.  Who was that NAACP officials name, I'd like to talk to him.

Oh, hey, nevermind, I found it on the NAACP Pennsylvania website, under Pottstown.  I'll ask him myself.


I can't wait for the backpedaling
 
2020-08-12 10:53:17 AM  

cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?


They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)
 
2020-08-12 10:57:42 AM  

sdd2000: RyogaM: dwrash: RyogaM: Sure.  If you convict the people who spraypainted the walls in a court of law with proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers, you can. That's hundreds of trials, costing the taxpayers hundreds of dollars, which you won't be able to recoup in court costs and fines for grafitti.  That's going to cost more than just hiring someone to just clean it up.  You'd prefer to pay the cost for those hundreds of trials, many of which might find the defendant innocent, than just pony up for a powerwasher?  Not very fiscally conservative of you.

Municipal court costs very little... there is no need for this to go to county, state or federal court.  Pretty much exactly like a driving offense.

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Literally.

Someone needs to explain to the diaper rash the concept and costs of trial de novo from municipal court decisions.


Well there's the whole principle of deterrence so you don't have increases in vandalism and even more clean up costs. Also the vast majority of these would be pled out with no trial let alone a second one. Defense attorneys are expensive, especially if you're going to lose anyways
 
2020-08-12 10:58:32 AM  

dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)


I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.
 
2020-08-12 11:06:58 AM  

Langdon_777: dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)

I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.


Even if the offense is federal solely because it took place on federal land federal LEOs can arrest you for that offense pretty much anywhere in the US. And how do you know they weren't executing federal arrest warrants after probable cause was submitted before a duly sworn judge or magistrate?
 
2020-08-12 11:10:08 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]


Yeah, that's almost as bad as the aftermath of a big concert or football game.

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2020-08-12 11:15:04 AM  

dirkhardly: Langdon_777: dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)

I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.

Even if the offense is federal solely because it took place on federal land federal LEOs can arrest you for that offense pretty much anywhere in the US. And how do you know they weren't executing federal arrest warrants after probable cause was submitted before a duly sworn judge or magistrate?


Because almost everyone was dressed in black and had a mask?
 
2020-08-12 11:17:02 AM  

Hyjamon: oh, i can post pics of messes left behind too

[Fark user image 425x257]


That's the remains of a Trump rally in Orlando if memory serves.
 
2020-08-12 11:20:09 AM  

dwrash: The Envoy: dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.

What about all those wrongly arrested?  All of those injured bystanders?  They should also be paid.

Glad at least that you've recognised it as mischief rather than all-out war against bigotry which you righties can't abide for some strange reason.

If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.


Collective punishments were a tool of the nazis. Is that really what you want to be?
 
2020-08-12 11:27:13 AM  

dirkhardly: And people who are alleging illegal arrests let alone anything legally resembling kidnapping, as far as anyone in the general public knows these federal LEOs could have identified protesters suspected of federal crimes, presented evidence of PC to a federal judge and were issued a perfectly legit arrest warrant. This isn't information generally available to the public (at least not initially) and yet look how many people keep claiming that didn't happen without any knowledge or evidence whatsoever. Probably the same kind of people who have no idea how federal vs state jurisdiction works.


That's adorable, you think police deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
2020-08-12 11:29:11 AM  

andomania: dwrash: The Envoy: dwrash: RyogaM: Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]

Oh no!  The powerwasher and trash pickup businesses are going to be giving out Christmas bonuses and overtime!  Horrors!

I assume you are going to pay for those bonues' and overtime?

Everyone that is arrested should have to spend community service time to clean up their mess instead of having taxpayers pony up paying for their misguided mischief.

What about all those wrongly arrested?  All of those injured bystanders?  They should also be paid.

Glad at least that you've recognised it as mischief rather than all-out war against bigotry which you righties can't abide for some strange reason.

If there were there, they are complicit.. no one present is innocent.

Collective punishments were a tool of the nazis. Is that really what you want to be?


Don't ask questions you already know the answer to
 
2020-08-12 11:29:45 AM  

dirkhardly: Langdon_777: dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)

I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.

Even if the offense is federal solely because it took place on federal land federal LEOs can arrest you for that offense pretty much anywhere in the US. And how do you know they weren't executing federal arrest warrants after probable cause was submitted before a duly sworn judge or magistrate?


Because if these arrests had been based upon a warrant the requirement under the Federal Criminal Rule 5 require that " (A) A person making an arrest within the United States must take the defendant without unnecessary delay before a magistrate judge, or before a state or local judicial officer asRule 5(c)provides, unless a statute provides otherwise."
 
2020-08-12 11:33:47 AM  

dirkhardly: Langdon_777: dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)

I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.

Even if the offense is federal solely because it took place on federal land federal LEOs can arrest you for that offense pretty much anywhere in the US. And how do you know they weren't executing federal arrest warrants after probable cause was submitted before a duly sworn judge or magistrate?


Because that's not what Trump's sturmtruppers know how to do. We aren't talking about rocket scientists, hell you'd be right at home with them.

Your smokescreen is weak and your bit is tired. You spout ignorant shiat and pretend to be dropping pearls of wisdom. Get farked, liar.
 
2020-08-12 11:51:33 AM  

GrizzlyPouch: The smart thing would be follow through with the charges.  Then you can make a very public spectacle of how ridiculous it was that the people were arrested in the first place and how little evidence there was of wrong doing.

A jury will have no problem acquitting, and everybody can point at laugh at how  Trump's SS nazied the ppl of Portland.

(Unless the evidence doesn't actually show that)


And at what cost to Taxpayers, the court system, the DA's time (and conviction record), all the cops having to be called in as witnesses, and the life disruption to the people being charged? For hundreds of misdemeanor cases?

No, dropping the charges is absolutely the right thing to do.
 
2020-08-12 11:53:39 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]


Ermagerd, Graffiti and some trash!

Walk down a couple blocks to Burnside and it doesn't look any different, and that's without months of protests.

(beeteedubbs, they've already powerwashed most of it off).
 
2020-08-12 12:20:27 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: [do0bihdskp9dy.cloudfront.net image 850x478]


Figured I should post this. I took this directly across the street from those pillars. This is where Donovan Labella got blammed in the face by DHS for standing in the street by himself with his hands in the air holding a speaker playing music. That's his blood all over the sidewalk. If you're upset about the graffiti, this brought the City of Portland out to tell the Fed Goons to get the fark out of our town.

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2020-08-12 12:23:07 PM  

Bandito King: dirkhardly: And people who are alleging illegal arrests let alone anything legally resembling kidnapping, as far as anyone in the general public knows these federal LEOs could have identified protesters suspected of federal crimes, presented evidence of PC to a federal judge and were issued a perfectly legit arrest warrant. This isn't information generally available to the public (at least not initially) and yet look how many people keep claiming that didn't happen without any knowledge or evidence whatsoever. Probably the same kind of people who have no idea how federal vs state jurisdiction works.

That's adorable, you think police deserve the benefit of the doubt.


I do. And you'll find I'm in the vast majority, especially in the legal system. And that view is literally and exactly how our justice system works. Good luck on changing it
 
2020-08-12 12:25:20 PM  

sdd2000: dirkhardly: Langdon_777: dirkhardly: cannibalparrot: Mikey1969: dwrash: They will be brought up on federal charges.

So why haven't they been charged already? It was federal agents who detained them, so if it was a legit bust, why weren't they charged immediately?

And if these were legitimate arrests, why did the police hide their identities?

They didn't hide their identities as LEOs but federal LEOs don't typically wear nametags unlike regular police. And how familiar are you with federal criminal processes? Are you under the impression these things move quickly? Especially right now? I'm also waiting anxiously for all these false arrest/imprisonment lawsuits that are sure to come cascading in any day now (unlike other civil rights lawsuits against the government these are pretty easy to prove if valid)

I am pretty sure the laws they were enforcing outside of the "federal land" were state laws.  All of those stormtroopers need to be held accountable for what they did, and those who ordered them to do it, let the lowbies claim "following orders" then work the way up.

Even if the offense is federal solely because it took place on federal land federal LEOs can arrest you for that offense pretty much anywhere in the US. And how do you know they weren't executing federal arrest warrants after probable cause was submitted before a duly sworn judge or magistrate?

Because if these arrests had been based upon a warrant the requirement under the Federal Criminal Rule 5 require that " (A) A person making an arrest within the United States must take the defendant without unnecessary delay before a magistrate judge, or before a state or local judicial officer asRule 5(c)provides, unless a statute provides otherwise."


So in your vast legal expertise what constitutes a legitimate or necessary delay? Do you really think that language means instantaneously or anything close to it?
 
2020-08-12 12:29:09 PM  

dirkhardly: Bandito King: dirkhardly: And people who are alleging illegal arrests let alone anything legally resembling kidnapping, as far as anyone in the general public knows these federal LEOs could have identified protesters suspected of federal crimes, presented evidence of PC to a federal judge and were issued a perfectly legit arrest warrant. This isn't information generally available to the public (at least not initially) and yet look how many people keep claiming that didn't happen without any knowledge or evidence whatsoever. Probably the same kind of people who have no idea how federal vs state jurisdiction works.

That's adorable, you think police deserve the benefit of the doubt.

I do. And you'll find I'm in the vast majority, especially in the legal system. And that view is literally and exactly how our justice system works. Good luck on changing it


Having served as a foreman on a Jury and rendered a verdict in a criminal case myself (DUI case if that makes any difference) myself, listening to the initiating cop have to explain how he thought the driver ran a Red light when it was in fact a Yield lane, then pulled them over for driving *on* but not *over* the line for 50 feet, and having two other officers give directly contradictory testimony on multiple points during the DA's own questioning, and the DA not get any of those ducks in a row beforehand, you are substantially more trusting of these figures than you should be.
 
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