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2020-08-11 9:50:07 PM  
I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.
 
2020-08-12 1:46:15 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.


Oh please, that's bullshiat. It only gives ammo to the lunatics who say the whole mask thing is democrat alarmism.
 
2020-08-12 2:04:51 AM  
I anticipate a sudden increase in the use of audio-only mode.
 
2020-08-12 2:15:12 AM  
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2020-08-12 2:15:31 AM  
The simple solution is don't turn on the camera.

I am in conference call for the good part of many days.  Unless it is a customer requirement, the camera stays off.

No one wants to see me in my pajamas, anyway.
 
2020-08-12 2:16:14 AM  

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2020-08-12 2:17:18 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.


The flip side is it gives people the impression they are not safe at home. We have enough fake info out there already. No need to give the assholes more ammo and you know they will try to find a way to weaponize it.

I mean, geez! The tried to weaponize ice cream.
 
2020-08-12 2:23:42 AM  
Subby does not know about the virus and the 5G network? The 5G is known to spread the virus. They ride on top of the nanobots. Sigh Sheepies. Sheepies everywhere.

:)
 
2020-08-12 2:26:03 AM  
The general public doesn't know whether or not you are at home, at an office, or who you are around when the camera is off. They're asking you to wear it to set an example as a government official. Next they'll tell you that you have to be presentable for work and not wear pyjamas and that you can't have a ZZ Top quarantine beard. Such oppression!

Get over it.
 
2020-08-12 2:26:56 AM  

Rent Party: The simple solution is don't turn on the camera.

I am in conference call for the good part of many days.  Unless it is a customer requirement, the camera stays off.

No one wants to see me in my pajamas, anyway.


Pajamas?  Well la de da Mr. Formalwear!
 
2020-08-12 2:31:33 AM  

Fart_Machine: Rent Party: The simple solution is don't turn on the camera.

I am in conference call for the good part of many days.  Unless it is a customer requirement, the camera stays off.

No one wants to see me in my pajamas, anyway.

Pajamas?  Well la de da Mr. Formalwear!


Yeah, the weather has to be VERY cold before I'll consider wearing my pajamas.
 
2020-08-12 2:35:56 AM  

Rent Party: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 425x471]

There is no time when Coral jokes ain't funny.  Best meme evar.


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2020-08-12 2:44:36 AM  
Why does a Do Not Resuscitate order care about a mask?
 
2020-08-12 2:57:27 AM  
"Set the safety example, because people like subby are clearly too goddamn stupid to work their way around abstract concepts."
 
2020-08-12 3:10:12 AM  
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Tell me you want that on your conference call.
 
2020-08-12 3:11:29 AM  

saturn badger: Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.

The flip side is it gives people the impression they are not safe at home. We have enough fake info out there already. No need to give the assholes more ammo and you know they will try to find a way to weaponize it.

I mean, geez! The tried to weaponize ice cream.


Gotta start somewhere.  Step daughter and her friend came over today and masks were mandatory.

I hate inflexibile bosses, but i also hate when some asshole really bends the rules (hurr, i AM wearing my mask...sign doesn't say i have to wear it OVER my mouth.  )
 
2020-08-12 3:11:54 AM  
Did a zoom interview today with an engineering manager that was in the office.  Sounded like he and only one other were in the office, rest of the office was work from home.  30 seconds in he notice he had his neck sock down, oops I guess the rules are we have to have on a mask while in office then spent the rest of the hour with it up.  A few times the other guy walked past the cubicle face naked as a jaybird.  I probably would do the same if I was in the managers shoes but there was some humor in the inanity of the whole thing.

Probably blew the whole interview by studying and bulking up on the major end of the companies product line while I ended up being asked about the edge product they do.  Hiring manager screwballed me with the informal.
 
2020-08-12 3:19:20 AM  

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Tell me you want that on your conference call.


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2020-08-12 3:20:35 AM  
It is called "setting an example," something this current administration is horrifically lacking in.  The DNR would not have to do this if reason still ruled.
 
2020-08-12 3:21:44 AM  

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Tell me you want that on your conference call.


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2020-08-12 3:25:01 AM  

theteacher: saturn badger: Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.

The flip side is it gives people the impression they are not safe at home. We have enough fake info out there already. No need to give the assholes more ammo and you know they will try to find a way to weaponize it.

I mean, geez! The tried to weaponize ice cream.

Gotta start somewhere.  Step daughter and her friend came over today and masks were mandatory.

I hate inflexibile bosses, but i also hate when some asshole really bends the rules (hurr, i AM wearing my mask...sign doesn't say i have to wear it OVER my mouth.  )


I was going on the premise there were no visitors. That changes everything.
 
2020-08-12 3:33:51 AM  
I'll wear a mask. And a condom. And my shoes. Just to be safe.
 
2020-08-12 3:56:24 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.


Nope. It's just stupid.

It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.

We want to promote awareness more than we want to promote masks themselves. I say this from the point of view of having had to  teach people "sterile technique" in biological settings, something I think is particularly relevant.

The thing about teaching sterile technique is that some people lose track of the point. The point is this: you avoid transferring bacteria or viruses to places where you don't want them. So you teach people how to first disinfect an area. This begins with disinfecting your hands, wiping down the area, and making sure that everything you bring into the area is first disinfected. But it's more than just checking off a list. You have to be aware of what you're doing in a dynamic manner. Every single action you take, every move, you need to be aware of what is touching what. Are the sleeves of your lab coat loose and touching things while you're not really paying attention?

When you teach people these things, again, some fail because they think mechanically. As if having washing their hands once, their hands are forever clean. Nope. You recontaminate your hands with everything new you touch that wasn't first decontaminated. People have to adapt to understanding, not mechanics.

So asking people to wear masks at home, alone, on the computer is teaching a mechanical thing that misses the entire point of wearing a mask. And if you listen to interviews, you see people with this kind of foolishness. "We were wearing our masks for the full funeral so when we sat down together afterwards I guess I thought we had shown enough caution." No. Wear the mask when you are around others or in small spaces where others have very recently been.

The concepts are not hard. Don't confuse them.
 
2020-08-12 4:12:16 AM  

cyberspacedout: I anticipate a sudden increase in the use of audio-only mode.


Why do you hate deaf people?
 
2020-08-12 4:18:09 AM  
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"Go ahead, DNC Tac-Comm."
 
2020-08-12 4:43:33 AM  
The mask is primarily there to protect others. If I'm at home, there's nobody else to be protected. Why in my right mind should I wear a mask in a surrounding where infections are impossible? This rule is ridiculous and there are no reasons other than incredible stupidity why it would ever have been introduced in the first place.
 
2020-08-12 4:50:01 AM  

Rent Party: Ivo Shandor: [Fark user image 425x471]

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A great meme, but this is the best one of all time:

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2020-08-12 4:52:53 AM  

wademh: Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.

Nope. It's just stupid.

It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.

We want to promote awareness more than we want to promote masks themselves. I say this from the point of view of having had to  teach people "sterile technique" in biological settings, something I think is particularly relevant.

The thing about teaching sterile technique is that some people lose track of the point. The point is this: you avoid transferring bacteria or viruses to places where you don't want them. So you teach people how to first disinfect an area. This begins with disinfecting your hands, wiping down the area, and making sure that everything you bring into the area is first disinfected. But it's more than just checking off a list. You have to be aware of what you're doing in a dynamic manner. Every single action you take, every move, you need to be aware of what is touching what. Are the sleeves of your lab coat loose and touching things while you're not really paying attention?

When you teach people these things, again, some fail because they think mechanically. As if having washing their hands once, their hands are forever clean. Nope. You recontaminate your hands with everything new you touch that wasn't first decontaminated. People have to adapt to understanding, not mechanics.

So asking people to wear masks at home, alone, on the computer is teaching a mechanical thing that misses the entire point of wearing a mask. And if you listen to interviews, you see people with this kind of foolishness. "We were wearing our masks for the full funeral so when we sat down together afterwards I guess I thought we had shown enough caution." No. Wear the mask when you are around others or in small spaces where others have very recently been.

The concepts are not hard. Don't confuse them.


No.

I don't think you read.

Or understand science either.

The current understanding about Covid (and this has been known for awhile) is that getting a smaller initial viral load upon infection changes the overall trajectory of the disease.

Inso-facto, your argument is wrong and now months outdated,.

Even with poor handling, a mask reduces your initial viral load. Even idiots that wear their masks under their nose are significantly reducing severe cases.

This is what the science says.
 
2020-08-12 5:19:22 AM  

Captain Shaky: No.

I don't think you read.

Or understand science either.

The current understanding about Covid (and this has been known for awhile) is that getting a smaller initial viral load upon infection changes the overall trajectory of the disease.

Inso-facto, your argument is wrong and now months outdated,.

Even with poor handling, a mask reduces your initial viral load. Even idiots that wear their masks under their nose are significantly reducing severe cases.

This is what the science says.


Speaking of learning to read ...

What drugs are you on? I might be interested in them, purely for research purposes of course.
I didn't disparage mask use, but mask use while alone and away from other people. If you're alone in your car and driving, you don't need a mask. You just don't. If you are at home and alone in front of your computer, you don't need to wear a mask. If you "think" otherwise, you are abusing the work "think".
 
2020-08-12 5:22:40 AM  

Paddy: The mask is primarily there to protect others. If I'm at home, there's nobody else to be protected. Why in my right mind should I wear a mask in a surrounding where infections are impossible? This rule is ridiculous and there are no reasons other than incredible stupidity why it would ever have been introduced in the first place.


Because there are too many stupid idiots not doing it even in public.

I agree that doing it at home is silly, but the message has to be "wear a g*d damn mask," if you are not going socially isolate and stay at home.

The USoA's response to this virus is shameful.
 
2020-08-12 5:37:59 AM  

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Tell me you want that on your conference call.


That looks like a family of aliens getting ready to eat my face.
 
2020-08-12 5:46:51 AM  

Langdon_777: Paddy: The mask is primarily there to protect others. If I'm at home, there's nobody else to be protected. Why in my right mind should I wear a mask in a surrounding where infections are impossible? This rule is ridiculous and there are no reasons other than incredible stupidity why it would ever have been introduced in the first place.

Because there are too many stupid idiots not doing it even in public.

I agree that doing it at home is silly, but the message has to be "wear a g*d damn mask," if you are not going socially isolate and stay at home.

The USoA's response to this virus is shameful.


Seriously, stop. Please stop.
A mask is a tool with a specific use. One should promote an understanding of how to use the tool, not a glorification of the tool as some icon. Understand the tool. Use the tool where appropriate. A mask is not iconography. It isn't a political statement or symbolism. It's a tool. Employ it as such when it is appropriate.
 
2020-08-12 5:47:41 AM  
Someone took the earlier memo about computer viruses the wrong way.
 
2020-08-12 5:52:31 AM  

wademh: Langdon_777: Paddy: The mask is primarily there to protect others. If I'm at home, there's nobody else to be protected. Why in my right mind should I wear a mask in a surrounding where infections are impossible? This rule is ridiculous and there are no reasons other than incredible stupidity why it would ever have been introduced in the first place.

Because there are too many stupid idiots not doing it even in public.

I agree that doing it at home is silly, but the message has to be "wear a g*d damn mask," if you are not going socially isolate and stay at home.

The USoA's response to this virus is shameful.

Seriously, stop. Please stop.
A mask is a tool with a specific use. One should promote an understanding of how to use the tool, not a glorification of the tool as some icon. Understand the tool. Use the tool where appropriate. A mask is not iconography. It isn't a political statement or symbolism. It's a tool. Employ it as such when it is appropriate.


I agree, but if many are not respecting it as a tool, then maybe just over doing the example is a good idea.  The US is not dealing with rational people, it is dealing with tRump and Qanon voters.
 
2020-08-12 6:17:04 AM  

Langdon_777: It is called "setting an example,"


If your example is doing obviously ineffective things for the sake of theater, that undermines the credibility of your advocacy rather than increasing it.
 
2020-08-12 6:26:27 AM  

Mugato: Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.

Oh please, that's bullshiat. It only gives ammo to the lunatics who say the whole mask thing is democrat alarmism.


The "it gives ammo to [X]" argument is always bullshiat.
 
2020-08-12 6:28:58 AM  
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2020-08-12 6:38:12 AM  

wademh: It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.


This is the entire premise of your argument, and it's some completely made-up bullshiat. You have neither evidence to support it, nor even a coherent chain of logic/reason to get you there. It's hogwash.
 
2020-08-12 6:42:47 AM  
Wademh said "tool"
 
2020-08-12 7:16:46 AM  

Klyukva: Langdon_777: It is called "setting an example,"

If your example is doing obviously ineffective things for the sake of theater, that undermines the credibility of your advocacy rather than increasing it.


Seriously?  Should we talk about the TSA or The Patriot Act?
 
2020-08-12 7:17:20 AM  

Mugato: Carter Pewterschmidt: I can see the argument. It's setting an example, and on a Zoom call that could easily be thought of by customers to be from an office not wearing a mask would make those customers thing they were ignoring the rule. It could also piss off those co workers who have to work from the office and have to wear masks to talk to coworkers working from home and seeing them free to not wear a mask.
Trying to normalise the wearing of masks is a good thing, so this isn't something I'm going to get outraged about.

Oh please, that's bullshiat. It only gives ammo to the lunatics who say the whole mask thing is democrat alarmism.


No it does not.  Those people are idiots and it does not matter what you do anyway.  Setting a good example is a good thing.
 
2020-08-12 7:35:29 AM  

emtwo: wademh: It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.

This is the entire premise of your argument, and it's some completely made-up bullshiat. You have neither evidence to support it, nor even a coherent chain of logic/reason to get you there. It's hogwash.


The premise for my argument is listening to people who have screwed up on wearing masks.
They say "we were wearing our masks for most of the day but then later, it felt like we'd done so good that ...".
I've seen people say that again and again. "But I was wearing a mask for hours ...". And?
 
2020-08-12 7:36:54 AM  

Langdon_777: Klyukva: Langdon_777: It is called "setting an example,"

If your example is doing obviously ineffective things for the sake of theater, that undermines the credibility of your advocacy rather than increasing it.

Seriously?  Should we talk about the TSA or The Patriot Act?


Probably. Ineffective symbolism isn't a good thing. Wearing masks when you should is.
 
2020-08-12 7:51:52 AM  
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2020-08-12 7:52:24 AM  

wademh: emtwo: wademh: It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.

This is the entire premise of your argument, and it's some completely made-up bullshiat. You have neither evidence to support it, nor even a coherent chain of logic/reason to get you there. It's hogwash.

The premise for my argument is listening to people who have screwed up on wearing masks.
They say "we were wearing our masks for most of the day but then later, it felt like we'd done so good that ...".
I've seen people say that again and again. "But I was wearing a mask for hours ...". And?


Even if your fabricated anecdotes were real (they're not), they don't form a coherent argument against this decision by the DNR.

In fact, the entire field of public safety and hygiene has always relied on the exact opposite of what you're trying to argue.
 
2020-08-12 7:55:42 AM  
What about all the farting? We all need to wear butt masks, because it's NOT true that who smelt it dealt it. Butt masks.
 
2020-08-12 7:55:56 AM  

Langdon_777: Klyukva: Langdon_777: It is called "setting an example,"

If your example is doing obviously ineffective things for the sake of theater, that undermines the credibility of your advocacy rather than increasing it.

Seriously?  Should we talk about the TSA or The Patriot Act?


If you want to, sure. I take it you're a fan?
 
2020-08-12 8:04:49 AM  

Klyukva: Langdon_777: Klyukva: Langdon_777: It is called "setting an example,"

If your example is doing obviously ineffective things for the sake of theater, that undermines the credibility of your advocacy rather than increasing it.

Seriously?  Should we talk about the TSA or The Patriot Act?

If you want to, sure. I take it you're a fan?


Theatre for the sake of masks will at least save lives, unlike my other examples.
 
2020-08-12 8:05:41 AM  
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"Sup, dogs.  What's going on in this thread?"
 
2020-08-12 8:21:21 AM  

emtwo: wademh: It has the effect of treating a mask as something magic, as if somehow if you add up the hours of wearing a mask you get some credit for karmic not getting the corona points. Not good.

This is the entire premise of your argument, and it's some completely made-up bullshiat. You have neither evidence to support it, nor even a coherent chain of logic/reason to get you there. It's hogwash.


You think the guy saying a mask is a tool and should be treated as such is pulling stuff out of his arse, but all the ppl saying wear the mask at home by yourself because of the feels is right on the money?
 
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