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(The New York Observer)   The Legend of Korra had to overcome sexist idiocy from Nickelodeon execs, a midseason move to a streaming site, anxiety over a lesbian relationship, and the legacy of Avatar itself-in order to succeed   (observer.com) divider line
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2020-08-11 3:28:37 PM  
It was definitely a different flavor than the first Avatar. My 10 year old girl was thrilled that Korra got together with Asami. It was definitely a bit more adult in some ways, and the story wasn't quite as coherent. It was good overall.
 
2020-08-11 3:29:07 PM  
The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.
 
2020-08-11 4:02:59 PM  

iaazathot: It was definitely a different flavor than the first Avatar. My 10 year old girl was thrilled that Korra got together with Asami. It was definitely a bit more adult in some ways, and the story wasn't quite as coherent. It was good overall.

Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The story continues in the graphic novella miniseries (same as for A:TLA). Highly recommended and considered fully canon. The A:TLA ones bridge the gap between that series and TLoK and among other things show the beginnings of what would become Republic City, and what happened to Zuko's Mom. A collection of "untold stories" that takes place during the three seasons of A;TLA include such fun gems as an Earthbender Rumble between Earth King Bumi and Toph Beifong (this happened in the camp where they were towards the end before the final battle with the Earth Kingdom and Phœnix King Ozai). Who wins? Get the book!
 
2020-08-11 4:04:17 PM  
I trust Night Shyamalan will tackle the issue properly when he brings it to the big screen as his long-awaited Avatar sequel.
 
2020-08-11 4:05:15 PM  
My biggest gripe with the show was that the pacing was off. I felt that some of the character development scenes were rushed. Too bad the execs were antagonistic, as more backing could've produced a better show, but at the same time, it always feels like the best shows are hated by management.
 
2020-08-11 4:10:38 PM  

Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.


You might like this interview with Noelle Stevenson and "Steven Universe's" Rebecca Sugar.
 
2020-08-11 4:21:37 PM  
i was on 2+2Chan while the show was airing, and people were most mad about this:


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and this:

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2020-08-11 4:22:14 PM  
Nickelodeon screwed with that show so bad.  It would go on hiatus and then suddenly return with zero notice or marketing out of nowhere, then suddenly disappear to streaming-only, then suddenly return.  There was no way to even know when to expect new episodes.  It was a complete clusterfark because the network couldn't decide what kind of show they paid for or what to do with it.

For what it's worth, I really liked the show.  Overall, I think I prefer Avatar since it had a longer, more epic story arc across the entire series, but Korra was great as well.
 
2020-08-11 4:41:39 PM  
I really like the ability to world build from the creators.  Not just here but also in the Dragon Prince universe.  I am curious about the upcoming live Avatar series.

I did watch the live action moving and it may have been even worse than described.  So much wrong...just not going to get into it.  I'd be here all day.
 
2020-08-11 5:48:32 PM  

Myk-House of El: I really like the ability to world build from the creators.  Not just here but also in the Dragon Prince universe.  I am curious about the upcoming live Avatar series.

I did watch the live action moving and it may have been even worse than described.  So much wrong...just not going to get into it.  I'd be here all day.


The wife and I binged watched all of Avatar in a bit over a week.  The day after we finished the finale she came upstairs and ranted about how bad the movie was for about thirty minutes, and she didn't even finish it.
 
2020-08-11 5:52:41 PM  
The finale of ATLA is so good. Few shows stick the landing like that. Even good ones.
 
2020-08-11 6:20:40 PM  

Esc7: The finale of ATLA is so good. Few shows stick the landing like that. Even good ones.

Hopefully Marvel's Agents of SHIELD will be one of them. Finale starts in 2&2154; hours and I expect an epic LIVE thread.
 
2020-08-11 6:21:02 PM  
Urk! 2⅔ hours.
 
2020-08-11 6:23:04 PM  
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Don't forget this legend.
 
2020-08-11 6:25:03 PM  

COMALite J: Esc7: The finale of ATLA is so good. Few shows stick the landing like that. Even good ones.
Hopefully Marvel's Agents of SHIELD will be one of them. Finale starts in 2&2154; hours and I expect an epic LIVE thread.


Uhhhh.

Good luck with that.
 
2020-08-11 6:33:23 PM  

Esc7: COMALite J: Esc7: The finale of ATLA is so good. Few shows stick the landing like that. Even good ones.
Hopefully Marvel's Agents of SHIELD will be one of them. Finale starts in 2&2154; hours and I expect an epic LIVE thread.

Uhhhh.

Good luck with that.

Oops! A little less than 26½ hours now. Season finale of Stargirl is tonight. Lost track of days.
 
2020-08-11 6:51:33 PM  
I think it would have been nice if they could have planed out longer character arcs. The supporting cast didn't get to grow and change to the extent that Zuko and Katara did. I assume the moving target on numbers of seasons didn't help all that much.
 
2020-08-11 7:02:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: Nickelodeon screwed with that show so bad.  It would go on hiatus and then suddenly return with zero notice or marketing out of nowhere, then suddenly disappear to streaming-only, then suddenly return.  There was no way to even know when to expect new episodes.  It was a complete clusterfark because the network couldn't decide what kind of show they paid for or what to do with it.

For what it's worth, I really liked the show.  Overall, I think I prefer Avatar since it had a longer, more epic story arc across the entire series, but Korra was great as well.


Thing that killed me about that show was the power creep and no follow up from the first season. Other than that I thought it was a good show overall.
 
2020-08-11 7:49:25 PM  
Meanwhile, over on Disney:

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2020-08-11 7:58:49 PM  

GodComplex: My biggest gripe with the show was that the pacing was off. I felt that some of the character development scenes were rushed. Too bad the execs were antagonistic, as more backing could've produced a better show, but at the same time, it always feels like the best shows are hated by management.


Yeah, the executives really farked it. It was originally just going to be one season, then a second season got greenlit, then the next two. So there was no consistent story arc throughout all four, the pacing got screwed up, and executives dicked it around in various other ways.

It's still good, and a lot, if not most, of the outright hate it gets is because A: it's not ATLA and B: it has a female main character, particularly one that doesn't really act "feminine".
 
2020-08-11 8:31:28 PM  

LordJiro: GodComplex: My biggest gripe with the show was that the pacing was off. I felt that some of the character development scenes were rushed. Too bad the execs were antagonistic, as more backing could've produced a better show, but at the same time, it always feels like the best shows are hated by management.

Yeah, the executives really farked it. It was originally just going to be one season, then a second season got greenlit, then the next two. So there was no consistent story arc throughout all four, the pacing got screwed up, and executives dicked it around in various other ways.

It's still good, and a lot, if not most, of the outright hate it gets is because A: it's not ATLA and B: it has a female main character, particularly one that doesn't really act "feminine".


I actually found the tomboyish, aggressive, and overly emotional nature of Korra to be refreshing. I thought they captured the nature of a post pubescent teenager tasked with saving the world quite well. Anyone who had an issue with her character needs to be slapped upside their head with 9lbs of limp dick.

It was a fantastic contrast to ATLA because they were naive kids. I figured the biggest gripe would be about the original team turning out to be pretty crappy parents.
 
2020-08-11 8:35:04 PM  

GodComplex: LordJiro: GodComplex: My biggest gripe with the show was that the pacing was off. I felt that some of the character development scenes were rushed. Too bad the execs were antagonistic, as more backing could've produced a better show, but at the same time, it always feels like the best shows are hated by management.

Yeah, the executives really farked it. It was originally just going to be one season, then a second season got greenlit, then the next two. So there was no consistent story arc throughout all four, the pacing got screwed up, and executives dicked it around in various other ways.

It's still good, and a lot, if not most, of the outright hate it gets is because A: it's not ATLA and B: it has a female main character, particularly one that doesn't really act "feminine".

I actually found the tomboyish, aggressive, and overly emotional nature of Korra to be refreshing. I thought they captured the nature of a post pubescent teenager tasked with saving the world quite well. Anyone who had an issue with her character needs to be slapped upside their head with 9lbs of limp dick.

It was a fantastic contrast to ATLA because they were naive kids. I figured the biggest gripe would be about the original team turning out to be pretty crappy parents.

My main beef was with the second season and the whole Avatar Wan and the opposing Avatar Spirits thing. That contradicted what we knew about the Avatar Spirit from A:tLA. Also, I was disappointed in the first season with Amon turning out to be a mustache-twirler instead of sincerely believing in what he professed.
 
2020-08-11 8:41:47 PM  
Nice save, kid!
 
2020-08-11 8:42:23 PM  

COMALite J: Nice save, kid!

Wrong thread.
 
2020-08-11 8:45:47 PM  

Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.


The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.
 
2020-08-11 8:45:56 PM  

COMALite J: COMALite J: Nice save, kid!
Wrong thread.


Or was it?
bhum bhum bhuuuuuuuuum
 
2020-08-11 8:47:53 PM  
Korra was awesome. My daughter who was grappling with her identity at the time latched on to that show and specifically the character. She watched the whole series like 7 or 8 times through and she still talks about it.
 
2020-08-11 10:07:41 PM  
I thought She-Ra was the designated cartoon vehicle of the "gay agenda"? I guess we can cheer them both.

/I have been watching yuri anime since Marimite
//the more the merrier
 
2020-08-11 10:57:55 PM  

adamatari: I thought She-Ra was the designated cartoon vehicle of the "gay agenda"? I guess we can cheer them both.

/I have been watching yuri anime since Marimite
//the more the merrier


My all time favorite. Sweet enough to rot every last tooth down to the roots.
Maria-sama ga Miteru (Maria Watches Over Us)
 
2020-08-12 12:06:01 AM  

kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.


How farking old are you?
 
2020-08-12 12:38:33 AM  

Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?


I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.
 
2020-08-12 2:51:12 AM  
My only gripe at the time was the inconsistent airing of episodes. Streaming online was such a strange choice. All over a same-sex relationship? Come on.

Admittedly, my favorite parts were all about the spirit lore, and I didn't care much about the romantic subplots. But looking back I could see what they were trying to do, and it made sense. I feel bad for all those kids that missed out on a character they felt could represent them and feel good about. The callbacks to TLA were really fun and sometimes sad, but it's good for kids to know that nobody is perfect, hero or not. Korra had a lot to live up to, and I think her character handled it and struggled with it all in a believable way.
 
2020-08-12 3:29:38 AM  

Noctusxx: Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?

I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.


??????????????????

People actually give a fark about the original she ra being "de aged?"

Do you understand...reboots? Have you ever read a comic book?
 
2020-08-12 8:38:55 AM  

LunaAndromeda: My only gripe at the time was the inconsistent airing of episodes. Streaming online was such a strange choice. All over a same-sex relationship? Come on.

Admittedly, my favorite parts were all about the spirit lore, and I didn't care much about the romantic subplots. But looking back I could see what they were trying to do, and it made sense. I feel bad for all those kids that missed out on a character they felt could represent them and feel good about. The callbacks to TLA were really fun and sometimes sad, but it's good for kids to know that nobody is perfect, hero or not. Korra had a lot to live up to, and I think her character handled it and struggled with it all in a believable way.


It was probably mostly over the same-sex stuff, but not entirely.  There were some moments in the show that really pushed the boundaries for the target demographic with violence or implied violence.  I remember one air bender that suffocated people which was a bit rough in the way it was portrayed and, if I'm remembering correctly, there was a fire/combustion bender of some sort that had their own head exploded (albeit off-screen).  I think both of those instances were part of the streaming-only run.

I don't think any of it was necessarily too much for the overall tone of the show, but I think Nickelodeon really did not understand what the target age of the series was versus what they thought their network was aimed at.
 
2020-08-12 8:50:23 AM  
I thought the first season was decent, the second season was pretty "meh." After that, they made it too hard to find/watch and I gave up.
 
2020-08-12 9:03:47 AM  

Noctusxx: Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?

I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.


I mostly agree.  The age was never really stated in the original - but they didn't seem like teenagers.  Also, I don't know how they managed it, but the art style and animation are actually worse than the original.
 
2020-08-12 10:28:28 AM  

kukukupo: Noctusxx: Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?

I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.

I mostly agree.  The age was never really stated in the original - but they didn't seem like teenagers.  Also, I don't know how they managed it, but the art style and animation are actually worse than the original.


The animation changed studios for different seasons. One of the seasons in particular was farmed out to a really bad one and I think didn't even have the characters blink at any point.

The style of the first avatar flashback was pretty cool though.
 
2020-08-12 10:58:45 AM  

NeoCortex42: kukukupo: Noctusxx: Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?

I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.

I mostly agree.  The age was never really stated in the original - but they didn't seem like teenagers.  Also, I don't know how they managed it, but the art style and animation are actually worse than the original.

The animation changed studios for different seasons. One of the seasons in particular was farmed out to a really bad one and I think didn't even have the characters blink at any point.

The style of the first avatar flashback was pretty cool though.


I think they're critiquing she ra, and not Korra
 
2020-08-12 12:43:02 PM  

Esc7: NeoCortex42: kukukupo: Noctusxx: Esc7: kukukupo: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

The new She-Ra is actually worse than the original, though.

How farking old are you?

I just could not get past the new 'art' style and the de-aging of the characters.  From what my wife says the story was not to bad, if you enjoy teen drama.

I mostly agree.  The age was never really stated in the original - but they didn't seem like teenagers.  Also, I don't know how they managed it, but the art style and animation are actually worse than the original.

The animation changed studios for different seasons. One of the seasons in particular was farmed out to a really bad one and I think didn't even have the characters blink at any point.

The style of the first avatar flashback was pretty cool though.

I think they're critiquing she ra, and not Korra


My bad. You're right.
 
2020-08-12 1:44:46 PM  

NeoCortex42: LunaAndromeda: My only gripe at the time was the inconsistent airing of episodes. Streaming online was such a strange choice. All over a same-sex relationship? Come on.

Admittedly, my favorite parts were all about the spirit lore, and I didn't care much about the romantic subplots. But looking back I could see what they were trying to do, and it made sense. I feel bad for all those kids that missed out on a character they felt could represent them and feel good about. The callbacks to TLA were really fun and sometimes sad, but it's good for kids to know that nobody is perfect, hero or not. Korra had a lot to live up to, and I think her character handled it and struggled with it all in a believable way.

It was probably mostly over the same-sex stuff, but not entirely.  There were some moments in the show that really pushed the boundaries for the target demographic with violence or implied violence.  I remember one air bender that suffocated people which was a bit rough in the way it was portrayed and, if I'm remembering correctly, there was a fire/combustion bender of some sort that had their own head exploded (albeit off-screen).  I think both of those instances were part of the streaming-only run.

I don't think any of it was necessarily too much for the overall tone of the show, but I think Nickelodeon really did not understand what the target age of the series was versus what they thought their network was aimed at.


I could see that being a problem, sure. I once had a mom ask me about the Korra t-shirt I was wearing and asking about the show and whether it would be appropriate for an 8 year old. I had to be honest with myself in that moment and replied, probably not. (Mid-teens? My nieces and nephews who love the shows like I do are aged 11-17.) Not sure what would have been better, but I think a big ugly disclaimer at the start of the show and a late evening time slot should be good enough to warn concerned parents. Heaven forbid we have discussions about scary topics with our kids.
 
2020-08-12 5:32:38 PM  

Polish Hussar: Esc7: The poor lesbian relationship was completely hamstrung though. They didn't even get to kiss at the very end! They had to hold hands!

Funny how things change. If it wasn't for Korra and all the other shows pushing the envelope (and our culture itself) we would have never got something like the new She Ra made, which did have still some internal pushback so the show runner had to plan that romance from the very beginning and bake it into the story's central theme.

You might like this interview with Noelle Stevenson and "Steven Universe's" Rebecca Sugar.

Seriously. If you want to see Korra and Asami's relationship progress beyond the end of Season 4, get the books. There are two trilogies so far for The Legend of Korra, and they are official canon continuations of the series. The first one is "Turf Wars" and the second is "Ruins of the Empire."

There are also seven A:TLA trilogies and a forthcoming eighth one, plus a special of short "Lost Adventures" that takes place during the three seasons of the series. The trilogies at least are canon continuations of the series. They are: "The Promise" (starts off immediately after the end of the series, then fast-forwards one year and you can visually see that Aang has had his adolescent growth spurt and probably voice change ― this one starts laying the groundwork for the world of TLoK), "The Search" (for Zuko's Mom [guess who temporarily allies with Team Avatar for this one? Last person you'd expect, but hey, she's her mother, too!), "The Rift" (we start to see how technology advanced so quickly), "Smoke and Shadow" (are spirits kidnapping Fire Nation children?), "North and South" (meanwhile in the Water Tribes, how the reunion of the tribes has really changed things at the South Pole as Sokka and Katara find out when they finally return home for the first time since they left back in the second episode of the series), "Imbalance" (further groundwork for TLoK), and a forthcoming one which I know nothing about other than the title, "Katara and the Pirate's Silver.": There's also a Free Comic Book Day freebie on Amazon which I just now snagged.

And I just found out that there's a Kiyoshi two-parter: "The Rise of Kiyoshi" and "The Shadow of Kiyoshi"! And some other great Avatar-world stuff on Amazon, too.
 
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