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(Mic)   California: Companies like Uber and lift have to treat drivers as employees and give them benefits. Uber: OR,.... what if we just set up a "benefit fund" and let THEM decide whether they want sick leave, OR buy health insurance, OR take a vacation?   (mic.com) divider line
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427 clicks; posted to Business » on 11 Aug 2020 at 12:50 PM (6 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-08-11 11:52:09 AM  
Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and other monopolies are watching this with interest.
 
2020-08-11 12:03:18 PM  
I know it's against most corporate policies to just follow the farking law, but really.  Spending all that time and money to try to skirt the law is still less expensive than just doing it?  The penalties need to change so that it becomes more expensive for companies to break the law.
 
2020-08-11 12:15:51 PM  
Each time a company does this, we add new mandatory benefits, because companies are farking toddlers and must be treated as such. Now everyone gets 7 mandatory vacation days. What to skirt it again? We'll make it 14. 21. 28 and a minimum wage of $20.

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2020-08-11 12:35:40 PM  
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2020-08-11 1:41:04 PM  
You're just a big gypsy-cab company. Follow the @&#%ing law like everyone else.
 
2020-08-11 2:23:50 PM  

SpaceyCat: I know it's against most corporate policies to just follow the farking law, but really.  Spending all that time and money to try to skirt the law is still less expensive than just doing it?  The penalties need to change so that it becomes more expensive for companies to break the law.


Thisity thisity this this this man!
 
2020-08-11 2:29:01 PM  
Just take the L, Uber. This is getting sad.
 
2020-08-11 2:33:15 PM  

SpaceyCat: I know it's against most corporate policies to just follow the farking law, but really.  Spending all that time and money to try to skirt the law is still less expensive than just doing it?  The penalties need to change so that it becomes more expensive for companies to break the law.


Also more expensive for companies to bribe give campaign donations to legislators to pass laws that raise the barrier to entry of competitors.

If I have a factory that makes widgets for $4 each, and I sell then for $5 each, then I make a nice pre-tax profit.  Sell ten million widgets, clear ten million dollars.  But if a competitor comes up with a new widget-making process where he can make then for $3 and sell them for $3.80, I'm screwed.  There's no way I can compete, unless I spent $20 million to reverse engineer their process or otherwise push my cost basis down.  So instead, I take a few million of my $10M profit to get the city council or state assembly or US congress to outlaw the new process.  Makes total economic sense.
 
2020-08-11 2:40:49 PM  
This isn't a problem in countries with universal national health insurance and mandatory paid vacations. But this is America.
 
2020-08-11 2:47:28 PM  

SpaceyCat: I know it's against most corporate policies to just follow the farking law, but really.  Spending all that time and money to try to skirt the law is still less expensive than just doing it?  The penalties need to change so that it becomes more expensive for companies to break the law.


Not always about the cost of it.  You give in and let the employees have medical benefits and PTO and they may start demanding more things.  Best to squash that as hard as possible now no matter the cost before it gets out of hand.  Like when Walmart shutdown a bunch of stores for "plumbing problems" right when their staff was trying to unionize.  Take the financial hit upfront before the drones start acting like they deserve basic human treatment.
 
2020-08-11 3:35:26 PM  
I thought Uber, etc were "side hustles" not careers. Why are we even worrying about benefits?
 
2020-08-11 3:42:10 PM  
Turns out, you can supply flexible work for unskilled labor and deliver great [rices to customers, all it takes if ignoring minimum wage and all other labor laws.

Business genius!
 
2020-08-11 3:43:05 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and other monopolies are watching this with interest.


You literally put AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, all competitors, in a sentence calling them "Monopolies".

And that's know how I know that you don't actually know what a Monopoly is....
 
2020-08-11 6:56:29 PM  

recoil47: Nadie_AZ: Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and other monopolies are watching this with interest.

You literally put AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, all competitors, in a sentence calling them "Monopolies".

And that's know how I know that you don't actually know what a Monopoly is....


They are. DIfferent companies, but they all offer the same, if not pretty damn close pricing. NOBODY offers lower costs to the consumer. See also ISP/Cable companies.
 
2020-08-11 6:57:55 PM  

runwiz: This isn't a problem in countries with universal national health insurance and mandatory paid vacations. But this is America.


This is probably outdated but not only does America suck donkey balls with their version of Healthcare, Workers Rights and Time Off the geographically closer your country is to America the shiattier your amount of days off are compared to other civilized countries.
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Its like America is literally a Black Hole for employment happiness and of it runs out of happiness in its own boarders it starts to attack Canada and Mexico trying to drag them down too.
 
2020-08-11 7:03:49 PM  
That's not even a sane angle to argue from. If they're employees, then you're following state and federal laws regarding employing people. The only approach that makes sense is to either follow the ruling and treat CA drivers as employees, or appeal. "It's illegal, but..." is pointless, because the "but" doesn't matter.
 
2020-08-12 7:27:52 AM  

alienated: recoil47: Nadie_AZ: Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and other monopolies are watching this with interest.

You literally put AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, all competitors, in a sentence calling them "Monopolies".

And that's know how I know that you don't actually know what a Monopoly is....

They are. DIfferent companies, but they all offer the same, if not pretty damn close pricing. NOBODY offers lower costs to the consumer. See also ISP/Cable companies.


Again, though, NOT A MONOPOLY.  See, they give you a clue in the name.  Mono:  It means one.  You can't have a monopoly if there are multiple large competitors of almost equal size in your industry.

You may not like them, they may be big, but that doesn't make them a monopoly.
 
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