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2020-08-11 8:03:14 AM  
50 votes:
Even if it clears him of this case, the evidence can and will be used against him in others.
 
2020-08-11 8:28:44 AM  
47 votes:
He objects on principle- the principle that no one can make him do anything.  It's the only principle he's got, and he's sticking with it.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:59 AM  
32 votes:
Because it matches other unsolved rapes
 
2020-08-11 7:57:11 AM  
32 votes:
Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.
 
2020-08-11 7:43:30 AM  
29 votes:
Because it could be used to prove that Eric is really his son, or Gary Busey's. Neither is good news.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:26 AM  
28 votes:
I think it is time to remind the GOP that Clinton turned his over.  Someone should call Kenneth Starr and ask him what the difference was between a consensual relationship and rape.
 
2020-08-11 8:55:18 AM  
27 votes:

Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?


A dress that she's kept
 
2020-08-11 9:00:33 AM  
26 votes:
Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.
 
2020-08-11 8:16:26 AM  
26 votes:
The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.
 
2020-08-11 9:06:48 AM  
21 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.


Basically this. He likely has no idea whether he did, or didn't, do what she is accusing him of, because he did (and likely still does) shiat like that all the time but her individuality has been lost in the sea of women he has assaulted. It's like asking a traveling business person to remember a specific Yellow Cab in Manhattan during the 80's.
 
2020-08-11 9:02:38 AM  
19 votes:

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


The plan with all this shiat is to appeal it into oblivion until he either croaks or touches down in a non-extradition jurisdiction.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:33 AM  
19 votes:

Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.


I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.
 
2020-08-11 8:59:03 AM  
19 votes:

Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?


Jean Carroll has a dress with stains on it, because this is the laziest timeline.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:51 AM  
15 votes:
I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!
 
2020-08-11 9:17:39 AM  
14 votes:

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


"shiat he demanded from Obama"

This.....this is the s*** that p***es me off - the sheer, gargantuan, bald-faced freaking hypocrisy of the man.
 
2020-08-11 8:36:05 AM  
8 votes:
Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?
 
2020-08-11 9:38:49 AM  
5 votes:

RogermcAllen: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.


I thought my answers were so absurd that they no one could possibly think I was serious. In this timeline I shouldn't be surprised that someone did. Unless you're joking. I can't tell any more.
 
2020-08-11 9:31:32 AM  
5 votes:
Supposedly there are other kids, with his housekeeper for example, that could be outed by DNA.
 
2020-08-11 9:27:33 AM  
5 votes:

RogermcAllen: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.


Plenty of Farkers are getting a kick out of this comment...
 
2020-08-11 9:07:46 AM  
5 votes:

Glorious Golden Ass: Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.

I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.


why would they, he indulges in everything they could ever wish for but will never achieve
he's as shiat as they are
 
2020-08-11 10:12:21 AM  
4 votes:
Since the stay was extinguished on August 7, 2020, discovery production must now be back on track by August 14, 2020 because that's when the "five business days" requirement is up. Trump could, however, appeal the state supreme court's August 7 ruling.

JFC. For all intents and purposes when we're talking Presidential terms and someone Trump's age, the appeals process in our judicial system takes forever. Like he's done with numerous other cases, he's running out the clock and it farking WORKS.

This should not be a viable legal strategy, but it works almost every farking time he uses it. Our judicial system is FUBAR.
 
2020-08-11 9:20:26 AM  
4 votes:
Because he's guilty?  And he knows it?  And every re-publican conservative moron knows it?
 
2020-08-11 11:21:21 AM  
3 votes:

durbnpoisn: KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.

I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.


All challenges to DNA evidence have hinged on the collected sample, not the science.

Nobody has successfully challenged DNA evidence on the grounds that it misidentified someone related to or being the sample donor.
 
2020-08-11 10:54:42 AM  
3 votes:

durbnpoisn: KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.

I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.


DNA evidence is very strong in court because the math involved is irrefutable. Even without samples from Trump, but with a sample from at least one of his relatives, they will be able to prove to any level of certainty that you want, 99.999% or whatever, what the relatives relationship to the unknown sample is. It is all probabilities. An uncle and niece share 25% of their DNA. They will use as many rare different genetic markers (low incidence in general population, say 1/100000) to absolutely prove that Mary and the sample share the same percentage of DNA.
They could even sequence the whole genome and compare it if the sample condition allows it. They will know the sex of the unknown sample as well of course. Really narrows it down, but generally the court would order a sample taken from the suspect to be 100% sure at that point; their might be some weird genetics like inbreeding that messes things up; you know they are closely related, but how?

If Trump is innocent, his DNA would absolutely prove this as well, so you would think that he would want to provide it.
 
2020-08-11 10:51:45 AM  
3 votes:
It's kinda farked up that a request for the President's DNA in a sexual assault case was being upheld....pending a determination from a completely separate sexual assault case that was also requesting it.

I know it's another day in Trumpland, but god damn.
 
2020-08-11 9:06:26 AM  
3 votes:

Glorious Golden Ass: Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.

I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.


They literally say that he talks about a consensual relationship when people bring up the whole "walk up and grab them by the pussy, when you're powerful they let you".. all because he said that "they let you"
 
2020-08-11 12:52:15 PM  
2 votes:
 
2020-08-11 11:25:15 AM  
2 votes:
Oh it'd be fun to run that DNA through CODIS.
 
2020-08-11 10:27:26 AM  
2 votes:

cman: toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.

And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.


Oh of course. I wasn't thinking of that. Totally true. I don't get what you men by "people like me"? I was joking.
 
2020-08-11 10:18:24 AM  
2 votes:

durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.


That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.
 
2020-08-11 10:15:42 AM  
2 votes:

toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.


And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.
 
2020-08-11 10:07:05 AM  
2 votes:

Two16: wademh: Because it could be used to prove that Eric is really his son, or Gary Busey's. Neither is good news.

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No, that's Don Jr's dad.
 
2020-08-11 9:51:34 AM  
2 votes:

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


Yes, but it would not be a 100% certainty to do it with autosomal DNA. Its better to get a male member of the family so they can compare the y-DNA.
 
2020-08-11 9:30:13 AM  
2 votes:
Can we all agree that at he most likely has not been depositing DNA for at least 5-10 years by now?  He is old and not in good shape, doubtful he can still do those things, and I doubt Melanoma would allow it without further adjustments to the prenup.
 
2020-08-11 9:19:49 AM  
2 votes:

Cyber Duck: He's afraid the DNA will reveal he's reptilian


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2020-08-11 9:03:55 AM  
2 votes:

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


Seeing how eloquent he is with his tweets, I want to see proof that he actually went to an Ivy League school and not Whatsamatta U.
 
2020-08-11 8:56:19 AM  
2 votes:
He's afraid the DNA will reveal he's reptilian
 
2020-08-11 12:52:24 PM  
1 vote:

cman: toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.

And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.


Bullshiat. Just like women should have sovereignty over their womb, it's my DNA. Without just cause, and a warrant, you can fark right off with that false justification for taking something that no one else has any right to.
 
2020-08-11 12:01:18 PM  
1 vote:

Sid Vicious' Corpse: Dr Dreidel: Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?

Jean Carroll has a dress with stains on it, because this is the laziest timeline.


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2020-08-11 11:52:30 AM  
1 vote:

KarmicDisaster: DNA evidence is very strong in court because the math involved is irrefutable. Even without samples from Trump, but with a sample from at least one of his relatives, they will be able to prove to any level of certainty that you want, 99.999% or whatever, what the relatives relationship to the unknown sample is. It is all probabilities. An uncle and niece share 25% of their DNA. They will use as many rare different genetic markers (low incidence in general population, say 1/100000) to absolutely prove that Mary and the sample share the same percentage of DNA.
They could even sequence the whole genome and compare it if the sample condition allows it. They will know the sex of the unknown sample as well of course. Really narrows it down, but generally the court would order a sample taken from the suspect to be 100% sure at that point; their might be some weird genetics like inbreeding that messes things up; you know they are closely related, but how?

If Trump is innocent, his DNA would absolutely prove this as well, so you would think that he would want to provide it.


I have no way to argue that you are completely correct in every way.  In every circumstance you are right on.
Except that there IS a difference simply because it's Trump.  Even 100% certainty will be met with rigorous pushback and all manner of trying to discredit.

In a perfect world, just the fact that he refuses to give the sample would be indicative of his guilt.  But of course you know, there is nothing so perfect in this world.
 
2020-08-11 10:19:55 AM  
1 vote:

RasIanI: LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.

"shiat he demanded from Obama"

This.....this is the s*** that p***es me off - the sheer, gargantuan, bald-faced freaking hypocrisy of the man.


I'd still put money, if given better than even money odds, that he's an on-paper Muslim, done at some point to secure financing and/or a hotel deal.

Just too much projection, with too much commitment, on top of something that would be entirely in character from a "bullshiatter 'businessman' charlatan fraud" perspective.
 
2020-08-11 10:11:24 AM  
1 vote:

cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.


They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.
 
2020-08-11 9:59:54 AM  
1 vote:

Outshined_One: LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.

The plan with all this shiat is to appeal it into oblivion until he either croaks or touches down in a non-extradition jurisdiction.


These countries currently have no extradition treaty with the United States:
Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and
Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central
African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan,
Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands,
Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia,
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu,
Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

Bolded countries might be ok to exile in....infrastructure, tourist-style hotels....
 
2020-08-11 9:43:09 AM  
1 vote:
If he had been this strict about controlling access to his DNA his entire life, he wouldn't be in this damn mess now would he?
 
2020-08-11 9:26:29 AM  
1 vote:
Narrator: It won't.
 
2020-08-11 9:25:32 AM  
1 vote:

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


Yes, she could help establish a likely familial match.
 
2020-08-11 9:19:50 AM  
1 vote:

Harry Wagstaff: Maybe he is a member of the central park five.


That would have involved running. I doubt Donnie has the stamina to chase down a jogger even so long ago
 
2020-08-11 9:04:57 AM  
1 vote:
Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.
 
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