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2020-08-11 7:43:30 AM  
Because it could be used to prove that Eric is really his son, or Gary Busey's. Neither is good news.
 
2020-08-11 7:57:11 AM  
Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.
 
2020-08-11 8:03:14 AM  
Even if it clears him of this case, the evidence can and will be used against him in others.
 
2020-08-11 8:16:26 AM  
The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.
 
2020-08-11 8:28:44 AM  
He objects on principle- the principle that no one can make him do anything.  It's the only principle he's got, and he's sticking with it.
 
2020-08-11 8:36:05 AM  
Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?
 
2020-08-11 8:45:46 AM  
"As a result of that decision, the relevant deadlines in the Court's Preliminary Conference Order dated December 12, 2020 are no longer 'temporarily stayed," the letter sent to Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz notes. "This letter sets forth our understanding of the current status of this case and discovery in this case as a result of the Court's recent decision."

Looks like someone's been farking around with Obama's time machine again.
 
2020-08-11 8:53:50 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.


Maybe they could swap Ivanka for it?
 
2020-08-11 8:55:18 AM  

Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?


A dress that she's kept
 
2020-08-11 8:56:19 AM  
He's afraid the DNA will reveal he's reptilian
 
2020-08-11 8:59:03 AM  

Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?


Jean Carroll has a dress with stains on it, because this is the laziest timeline.
 
2020-08-11 9:00:33 AM  
Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.
 
2020-08-11 9:00:43 AM  
Just put it on Maury Povich & he'll be all about it.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:26 AM  
I think it is time to remind the GOP that Clinton turned his over.  Someone should call Kenneth Starr and ask him what the difference was between a consensual relationship and rape.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:33 AM  

Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.


I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.
 
2020-08-11 9:01:51 AM  
I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!
 
2020-08-11 9:01:59 AM  
Because it matches other unsolved rapes
 
2020-08-11 9:02:38 AM  

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


The plan with all this shiat is to appeal it into oblivion until he either croaks or touches down in a non-extradition jurisdiction.
 
2020-08-11 9:03:55 AM  

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


Seeing how eloquent he is with his tweets, I want to see proof that he actually went to an Ivy League school and not Whatsamatta U.
 
2020-08-11 9:04:07 AM  
A DNA database of every aborted fetus would sure be interesting.
 
2020-08-11 9:04:57 AM  
Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.
 
2020-08-11 9:06:26 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.

I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.


They literally say that he talks about a consensual relationship when people bring up the whole "walk up and grab them by the pussy, when you're powerful they let you".. all because he said that "they let you"
 
2020-08-11 9:06:34 AM  
Why?  Ima guess it's because you only have so much DNA--A person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy DNA .
 
2020-08-11 9:06:48 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.


Basically this. He likely has no idea whether he did, or didn't, do what she is accusing him of, because he did (and likely still does) shiat like that all the time but her individuality has been lost in the sea of women he has assaulted. It's like asking a traveling business person to remember a specific Yellow Cab in Manhattan during the 80's.
 
2020-08-11 9:07:46 AM  

Glorious Golden Ass: Im_Gumby: Because 99.9999% of the time, everything he says is opposite.
He knows it will condemn him.

I don't think his voters will believe their God-King could do wrong.  Even proof that he raped someone, whether it be an adult in a changing room, or a 13-year-old at one of Epstein's parties, would likely be rationalized with she-was-asking-for-it and he-can-grab-my-pussy, or they will just live in fantasy land where Trump is an orange Jesus.


why would they, he indulges in everything they could ever wish for but will never achieve
he's as shiat as they are
 
2020-08-11 9:11:17 AM  

saywhonow: Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.

Maybe they could swap Ivanka for it?


Swap Ivanka for a DNA sample

Seems like a fair trade
 
2020-08-11 9:12:50 AM  
He made his DNA sign an NDA, AND you can suck a NAD, DAN.

/ADN
 
2020-08-11 9:13:07 AM  
Thinking about trump leaving DNA everywhere isn't really how I planned to spend my morning
 
2020-08-11 9:13:47 AM  
Here's her initial accusation:

https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald​-​trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hid​eous-men.html

(It's a pain to find it in Google, so there it is. I'd like to note that while, even with this accusation, Trump is at #20 on her list of hideous men, Roger Ailes is casually noted as #16. So Trump can't even top *this* list.)
 
2020-08-11 9:15:30 AM  
Maybe he is a member of the central park five.
 
2020-08-11 9:17:39 AM  

LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.


"shiat he demanded from Obama"

This.....this is the s*** that p***es me off - the sheer, gargantuan, bald-faced freaking hypocrisy of the man.
 
2020-08-11 9:19:17 AM  

toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.


You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.
 
2020-08-11 9:19:49 AM  

Cyber Duck: He's afraid the DNA will reveal he's reptilian


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2020-08-11 9:19:50 AM  

Harry Wagstaff: Maybe he is a member of the central park five.


That would have involved running. I doubt Donnie has the stamina to chase down a jogger even so long ago
 
2020-08-11 9:20:26 AM  
Because he's guilty?  And he knows it?  And every re-publican conservative moron knows it?
 
2020-08-11 9:23:27 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Jean Carroll has a dress with stains on it


I sure hope she's pre-Marie Kondo!
 
2020-08-11 9:25:32 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


Yes, she could help establish a likely familial match.
 
2020-08-11 9:26:29 AM  
Narrator: It won't.
 
2020-08-11 9:27:33 AM  

RogermcAllen: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.


Plenty of Farkers are getting a kick out of this comment...
 
2020-08-11 9:28:19 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.


*hurl* Yeah, but they're like Homer Simpson's sperm, swimming around bouncing off each other. How else can you explain Don Jr?
 
2020-08-11 9:30:13 AM  
Can we all agree that at he most likely has not been depositing DNA for at least 5-10 years by now?  He is old and not in good shape, doubtful he can still do those things, and I doubt Melanoma would allow it without further adjustments to the prenup.
 
2020-08-11 9:30:48 AM  
The DNA will prove once and for all that Martin Shkreli is his kid.

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2020-08-11 9:31:32 AM  
Supposedly there are other kids, with his housekeeper for example, that could be outed by DNA.
 
2020-08-11 9:32:13 AM  
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2020-08-11 9:35:41 AM  
Possibilities?

1. He is afraid somebody will clone him, so after he loses, the United States will be able to hang him over and over again for his treason
2. He is actually a reptilian of the ruling class, and is afraid of being exposed
3. He's afraid the DNA will reveal his various mental issues, and scientists will be able to determine his actual low double digit IQ
4. He is the real Zodiac Killer, and his DNA will prove that. Ted Cruz, the sycophant that he is, is actually just covering for him.
5. He's afraid of being told, by Maury Povich, "you ARE NOT the father" of (Substitute: Junior or Barron)
6. He's afraid of being told, by Maury Povich, "you ARE the father" of Eric
 
2020-08-11 9:37:05 AM  

fernt: thisshiatagain?.jpg


Now fernt it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To fernt it
Fernt it good
 
2020-08-11 9:38:49 AM  

RogermcAllen: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.


I thought my answers were so absurd that they no one could possibly think I was serious. In this timeline I shouldn't be surprised that someone did. Unless you're joking. I can't tell any more.
 
2020-08-11 9:43:09 AM  
If he had been this strict about controlling access to his DNA his entire life, he wouldn't be in this damn mess now would he?
 
2020-08-11 9:43:55 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


I had the same thought, except then #2Scoops* would simply crow that it was Mary did all of the rapes! [law & order sound dot AIFF]
(or, something-something dark family secret, she was adopted or mitosisized from a lizard-people scraping, or something.)

/mar-a-lago delenda est.
//be pretty thigh-larious to clock DNA ancestry on the entirety of #TrumpCrimeFamily, though!
///turns out I'M ERIC is cognate to... slime molds and failed orthodontists.
 
2020-08-11 9:45:31 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.
 
2020-08-11 9:51:34 AM  

Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!


Yes, but it would not be a 100% certainty to do it with autosomal DNA. Its better to get a male member of the family so they can compare the y-DNA.
 
2020-08-11 9:54:01 AM  

toejam: RogermcAllen: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

You are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about. But trust me, you don't. I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you don't know what you are talking about. This is how bad info gets passed around. If you don't know about the topic.  Don't make yourself sound like you do, because some Farkers believe anything they hear.

Your body can make additional copies of DNA, but they are just that.  Copies.  You know what happens at work when you lose something so you make a copy of a copy and then copy it a few more times?  It starts to get errors.  Those errors show up as black spots on the paper at work, but in your body they are cancer.

I thought my answers were so absurd that they no one could possibly think I was serious. In this timeline I shouldn't be surprised that someone did. Unless you're joking. I can't tell any more.


mmm, delicious #poeslaw! in the timeline so broken we can no longer determine if the 'slaw is edible or not. (nah, toejam I totally got you)

just remember, #tRumpacabra* has the bigly-est telomeres! yuge, no protozoic-crustacean-scienticians never saw any that were so beautiful, and now many people are saying!

/personally prefer vinegar to mayo+sugar
//my poeslaw recipe has a time-travel component
///I don't exercise, so my internal batteries are in pretty good shape!
\V what transcription errors?
 
2020-08-11 9:55:11 AM  

toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.


You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.
 
2020-08-11 9:55:28 AM  

wademh: Because it could be used to prove that Eric is really his son, or Gary Busey's. Neither is good news.


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2020-08-11 9:59:54 AM  

Outshined_One: LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.

The plan with all this shiat is to appeal it into oblivion until he either croaks or touches down in a non-extradition jurisdiction.


These countries currently have no extradition treaty with the United States:
Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and
Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central
African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan,
Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands,
Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia,
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu,
Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

Bolded countries might be ok to exile in....infrastructure, tourist-style hotels....
 
2020-08-11 10:03:00 AM  

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Now you're getting it.
 
2020-08-11 10:04:41 AM  
I don't think it is bad for any person to resist giving a prosecutor evidence with appropriate legal tools, even if they are innocent.  That's basic 4th and 5th amendment stuff.

"If you have nothing to hide, let me search you" isn't how our system should work.

In this case the President has exhausted his appropriate legal tools and even some inappropriate ones, and should provide the sample.

But that's meaningfully different, subby, than "if giving the prosecutor evidence will exonerate him why is he fighting".
 
2020-08-11 10:07:05 AM  

Two16: wademh: Because it could be used to prove that Eric is really his son, or Gary Busey's. Neither is good news.

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No, that's Don Jr's dad.
 
2020-08-11 10:08:33 AM  
"Kaplan Hecker & Fink LLP"

I was skimming the article and totally read the letterhead as "[something something] & F*ck UP"

/  No reason, just wanted to point out that I clearly need to clean my glasses.
 
2020-08-11 10:11:24 AM  

cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.


They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.
 
2020-08-11 10:11:42 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: The President has left a lot of semen in a lot of places that he really shouldn't have.  He makes Bill Clinton look like a saint.


Argh! Why!?!?

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2020-08-11 10:12:21 AM  
Since the stay was extinguished on August 7, 2020, discovery production must now be back on track by August 14, 2020 because that's when the "five business days" requirement is up. Trump could, however, appeal the state supreme court's August 7 ruling.

JFC. For all intents and purposes when we're talking Presidential terms and someone Trump's age, the appeals process in our judicial system takes forever. Like he's done with numerous other cases, he's running out the clock and it farking WORKS.

This should not be a viable legal strategy, but it works almost every farking time he uses it. Our judicial system is FUBAR.
 
2020-08-11 10:15:42 AM  

toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.


And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.
 
2020-08-11 10:18:24 AM  

durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.


That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.
 
2020-08-11 10:19:55 AM  

RasIanI: LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.

"shiat he demanded from Obama"

This.....this is the s*** that p***es me off - the sheer, gargantuan, bald-faced freaking hypocrisy of the man.


I'd still put money, if given better than even money odds, that he's an on-paper Muslim, done at some point to secure financing and/or a hotel deal.

Just too much projection, with too much commitment, on top of something that would be entirely in character from a "bullshiatter 'businessman' charlatan fraud" perspective.
 
2020-08-11 10:27:05 AM  

KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.


I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.
 
2020-08-11 10:27:26 AM  

cman: toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.

And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.


Oh of course. I wasn't thinking of that. Totally true. I don't get what you men by "people like me"? I was joking.
 
2020-08-11 10:29:53 AM  

Farking Clown Shoes: "As a result of that decision, the relevant deadlines in the Court's Preliminary Conference Order dated December 12, 2020 are no longer 'temporarily stayed," the letter sent to Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz notes. "This letter sets forth our understanding of the current status of this case and discovery in this case as a result of the Court's recent decision."

Looks like someone's been farking around with Obama's time machine again.


Deadlines usually occur in the future, until they make a 'whooshing' sound as they go by.
 
2020-08-11 10:40:15 AM  

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2020-08-11 10:44:47 AM  
DNA evidence, fighting hardto stop its release.

(giggity)
 
2020-08-11 10:51:45 AM  
It's kinda farked up that a request for the President's DNA in a sexual assault case was being upheld....pending a determination from a completely separate sexual assault case that was also requesting it.

I know it's another day in Trumpland, but god damn.
 
2020-08-11 10:54:42 AM  

durbnpoisn: KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.

I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.


DNA evidence is very strong in court because the math involved is irrefutable. Even without samples from Trump, but with a sample from at least one of his relatives, they will be able to prove to any level of certainty that you want, 99.999% or whatever, what the relatives relationship to the unknown sample is. It is all probabilities. An uncle and niece share 25% of their DNA. They will use as many rare different genetic markers (low incidence in general population, say 1/100000) to absolutely prove that Mary and the sample share the same percentage of DNA.
They could even sequence the whole genome and compare it if the sample condition allows it. They will know the sex of the unknown sample as well of course. Really narrows it down, but generally the court would order a sample taken from the suspect to be 100% sure at that point; their might be some weird genetics like inbreeding that messes things up; you know they are closely related, but how?

If Trump is innocent, his DNA would absolutely prove this as well, so you would think that he would want to provide it.
 
2020-08-11 11:05:05 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?

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2020-08-11 11:17:37 AM  

DarnoKonrad: A DNA database of every aborted fetus would sure be interesting.


A lot of brothers, dads, uncles and grandpas would be in jail if that happened...at least in Arkansas...

/insert state of your choice
 
2020-08-11 11:21:21 AM  

durbnpoisn: KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.

I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.


All challenges to DNA evidence have hinged on the collected sample, not the science.

Nobody has successfully challenged DNA evidence on the grounds that it misidentified someone related to or being the sample donor.
 
2020-08-11 11:22:48 AM  

KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: KarmicDisaster: durbnpoisn: Officer Barrelroll: I could be totally wrong about this because I am pretty awful at science, but could Mary Trump's DNA be used to at least show a related match to whatever DNA evidence Carroll has? I imagine it would not be a match the way Trump's would be, but it would still be a much higher percentage of a match than a random person's DNA.

Mary Trump might be willing to give a sample for the sake of science.

/Science!

I see what you're getting at here, but alas, no, that won't work.

DNA is much more complicated than that.  Some 99.9% of ALL human DNA is the same.  That's what makes us a species.  That .1% is what is used to make a match to a single human.  Trump's children would be a closer match.  And even THAT wouldn't be accurate enough.  They have DNA from one of 3 different wives also...  Trump's niece is so far removed, that he DNA might be closer to yours than to Trump's.

That may be so, but if they do enough markers, and they would, they can establish the genetic relationship between Mary Trump and the rapist.  That's how they got the golden state killer for example. In this case, it would show that Mary was closely related to the rapist and at what distance. Process of elimination would put Trump high up or at the top of the list of suspects.

I suppose.  And I have no way to refute that they can do that.  But I suspect that when the defendant in the case it Trump, they will find ANY reason to discredit the DNA evidence, which as you know, is already on thin ice.

Yes, things have improved since they first started using it.  But defense attorneys have called it into question before.

DNA evidence is very strong in court because the math involved is irrefutable. Even without samples from Trump, but with a sample from at least one of his relatives, they will be able to prove to any level of certainty that you want, 99.999% or whatever, what the relatives relationship to the unknown sample is. It is all probabilities. An uncle and niece share 25% of their DNA. They will use as many rare different genetic markers (low incidence in general population, say 1/100000) to absolutely prove that Mary and the sample share the same percentage of DNA.
They could even sequence the whole genome and compare it if the sample condition allows it. They will know the sex of the unknown sample as well of course. Really narrows it down, but generally the court would order a sample taken from the suspect to be 100% sure at that point; their might be some weird genetics like inbreeding that messes things up; you know they are closely related, but how?

If Trump is innocent, his DNA would absolutely prove this as well, so you would think that he would want to provide it.


It's not quite that cut and dried. There's human nature involved here too. Mary's father was Fred Trump.....or was he? There's a non 0 chance that he's not the father and she and Trump share no dna. Some studies say up to 20+ percent of fathers are actually not. This of course comes from a heavily biased group, people who get paternity tests are people who already suspect that they are not the parent. But even at 3-5% there's significant doubt there. Plus both Trump and his brother could have inherited different strands of maternal DNA. Or they might not even be full brothers, his mother could have cheated.

A positive relationship test of Mary's dna would show it's extremely likely it's Trump, but a negative one wouldn't clear him completely.

This is why police tend to use the dna tracing like this only to narrow down a suspect list and then use other evidence to prove the crime.
 
2020-08-11 11:25:15 AM  
Oh it'd be fun to run that DNA through CODIS.
 
2020-08-11 11:30:35 AM  

Marcos P: DNA evidence, fighting hardto stop its release.

(giggity)


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2020-08-11 11:31:32 AM  

toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.


Can they fark with the DNA collection, like rinse with hydrogen peroxide (just went to the dentist) out of sight before submitting to an oral swab: like burning your fingertips, only less painful?

Ooh!  I just had a fiendish idea.  Spirit away one of his daily COVID swabs.  It wouldn't be admissible, but damning as hell.
 
2020-08-11 11:52:30 AM  

KarmicDisaster: DNA evidence is very strong in court because the math involved is irrefutable. Even without samples from Trump, but with a sample from at least one of his relatives, they will be able to prove to any level of certainty that you want, 99.999% or whatever, what the relatives relationship to the unknown sample is. It is all probabilities. An uncle and niece share 25% of their DNA. They will use as many rare different genetic markers (low incidence in general population, say 1/100000) to absolutely prove that Mary and the sample share the same percentage of DNA.
They could even sequence the whole genome and compare it if the sample condition allows it. They will know the sex of the unknown sample as well of course. Really narrows it down, but generally the court would order a sample taken from the suspect to be 100% sure at that point; their might be some weird genetics like inbreeding that messes things up; you know they are closely related, but how?

If Trump is innocent, his DNA would absolutely prove this as well, so you would think that he would want to provide it.


I have no way to argue that you are completely correct in every way.  In every circumstance you are right on.
Except that there IS a difference simply because it's Trump.  Even 100% certainty will be met with rigorous pushback and all manner of trying to discredit.

In a perfect world, just the fact that he refuses to give the sample would be indicative of his guilt.  But of course you know, there is nothing so perfect in this world.
 
2020-08-11 12:01:18 PM  

Sid Vicious' Corpse: Dr Dreidel: Naido: Maybe I overlooked it in TFA, but:  what do they have DNA from, that they're hoping to compare with his?

Jean Carroll has a dress with stains on it, because this is the laziest timeline.


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2020-08-11 12:34:31 PM  

toejam: Two reasons:

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.


Why are you afraid that a Trump clone will be a slave in a dystopian future?
 
2020-08-11 12:37:55 PM  
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2020-08-11 12:52:15 PM  
 
2020-08-11 12:52:24 PM  

cman: toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.

And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.


Bullshiat. Just like women should have sovereignty over their womb, it's my DNA. Without just cause, and a warrant, you can fark right off with that false justification for taking something that no one else has any right to.
 
2020-08-11 12:54:12 PM  

PoweredByIrony: toejam: Two reasons:

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

Why are you afraid that a Trump clone will be a slave in a dystopian future?


Why would anyone want a fat and unatheletic slave to begin with?
 
2020-08-11 12:57:41 PM  

kindms: Harry Wagstaff: Maybe he is a member of the central park five.

That would have involved running. I doubt Donnie has the stamina to chase down a jogger even so long ago


Didn't you see him run down the last 10 feet of ramp? I hadn't seen that kind of display of athleticism since Usian Bolt broke the record in the 100 meters.
 
2020-08-11 12:58:00 PM  

Harry Wagstaff: PoweredByIrony: toejam: Two reasons:

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

Why are you afraid that a Trump clone will be a slave in a dystopian future?

Why would anyone want a fat and unatheletic slave to begin with?


Just think of the outrage generated from 1 turnip.

If you could clone 10,000 of him, and then harness that energy? You could power an entire global society on nothing but hamberders and enough mobile data for 10,000 twitter accounts.
 
2020-08-11 1:35:43 PM  
Fake spooge!
 
2020-08-11 1:56:16 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: Outshined_One: LordJiro: Ditto for his tax returns. And given his penchant for projection and apparent desire to break every law on the books, I'm curious about his 'long form' birth certificate and college transcripts and whatever other unreasonable shiat he demanded from Obama.

The plan with all this shiat is to appeal it into oblivion until he either croaks or touches down in a non-extradition jurisdiction.

These countries currently have no extradition treaty with the United States:
Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and
Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central
African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan,
Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands,
Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia,
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu,
Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

Bolded countries might be ok to exile in....infrastructure, tourist-style hotels....


Thanks. It's good to have this information available without it showing up in your search engine history. Or so I've heard...
 
2020-08-11 2:26:03 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: These countries currently have no extradition treaty with the United States:
Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and
Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central
African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan,
Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands,
Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia,
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu,
Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

Bolded countries might be ok to exile in....infrastructure, tourist-style hotels....


So, a bunch of countries he called "shiatholes", a bunch of Asian and Muslim countries where he is surely loved, a bunch of countries that would fit inside Rhode Island, and Russia.  So...Russia it is.
 
2020-08-11 2:35:41 PM  

Moooooo K: cman: toejam: cman: toejam: Two reasons:

1. Much like heartbeats, you are given a certain amount of DNA at birth. You cannot have parts of you scraped away like that.

2. He's afraid that once technology advances sufficiently they will be able to clone him from his DNA and he will find himself a slave in a dystopian future. No wait, that's my fear.

You'll get over it. DNA secrecy is bullshiat. There are over 100k dead individuals here in America that we have no idea who they are. Thanks to folks like you, those who have lost their name probably wont ever get it back.

They're dead. I feel pretty confident they're beyond caring about that.

And those grieving mothers wondering where their children are just aren't important.

Bullshiat. Just like women should have sovereignty over their womb, it's my DNA. Without just cause, and a warrant, you can fark right off with that false justification for taking something that no one else has any right to.


Ahh yes "freedumb!"
 
2020-08-11 3:55:34 PM  
Is it possible that Trump's difficulty drinking a glass of water is due to some desperate ongoing attempt to avoid leaving DNA evidence on the glasses he uses?
 
2020-08-11 4:25:58 PM  

Sarek of the Edmund Fitzgerald: Is it possible that Trump's difficulty drinking a glass of water is due to some desperate ongoing attempt to avoid leaving DNA evidence on the glasses he uses?


5D Chutes and Ladders. Trump is a master at the game. :D
 
2020-08-11 4:30:13 PM  

Another Government Employee: Even if it clears him of this case, the evidence can and will be used against him in others.


What's the closest blood relative that he isn't on good terms with?  Tiffany has 50% of his DNA, but she may still be financially dependent on him.
 
2020-08-11 9:16:45 PM  
Maybe this judge will actually hold in contempt.
 
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