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(Mother Jones)   Feeling a little down being unemployed in these coronavirus times? Cheer up with knowing that billionaires have made an absolute killing during the pandemic   (motherjones.com) divider line
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2020-08-11 9:41:28 AM  
Truly, this is why Trump feels so good about the economy. For himself, for the people he knows, and the people he cares about, it's been super duper. He doesn't know how it is for the average person. He just doesn't.
 
2020-08-11 10:07:10 AM  
It's the American dream.
 
2020-08-11 11:42:07 AM  
FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
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2020-08-11 11:59:49 AM  

hugram: FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
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Huh, I always thought billionaires would be better groomed.  Just goes to show, you can't judge a book by it's cover.

//Actually I am always judging books by their covers.  I can't read them all and I need some way to choose.
 
2020-08-11 12:20:38 PM  

hugram: FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
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Pawns. That's all they are. Too bad they don't realize it.

It's almost as if this was by design ...

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2020-08-11 12:55:50 PM  
Any sort of crisus happens and the super rich see it as a way to grab anything that isnt nailed down. And hire illegals to remove the nails from everything else.
 
2020-08-11 12:58:24 PM  
ALL HAIL STONKS!
 
2020-08-11 12:58:57 PM  
well they've earned it
 
2020-08-11 12:59:02 PM  
What's the point of living at all when Popcorn Factory won't deliver my nephew's popcorn?
 
2020-08-11 12:59:26 PM  
Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right?  Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downlo​a​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years.  Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate. 

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic.  Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers. 

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion.  That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would: 
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."
 
2020-08-11 1:00:59 PM  

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*glares in Steinbeck at the temporarily embarrassed millionaires*
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2020-08-11 1:04:52 PM  

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These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb.  So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer.  They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.
 
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2020-08-11 1:05:23 PM  
Oh, but Bezos deserves it, by golly.  He created a website to sell books, by golly!
 
2020-08-11 1:05:31 PM  
I also noticed an uptick in the stock price of my holdings in Consolidated Guillotine.
 
2020-08-11 1:05:36 PM  
This isn't sustainable.

I swim with the little fish, but even I'm seeing people around me taking home hundreds of thousands, even millions in new, short-term profits from the upheaval. Just imagine what the real players are making. And all that money is coming directly out of the pockets of people who are struggling to pay basic bills right now.

It's insane. Usually the wealth transfer isn't jumping between economic strata quite so blatantly.

I'm worried that Sunday night in Chicago is just a preview.
 
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2020-08-11 1:06:44 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Pawns. That's all they are. Too bad they don't realize it.

It's almost as if this was by design ...


It's quite evident by the way they acted that this was seen as an opportunity.

At the early press conferences they had sycophantic CEOs talk before the medical people.
 
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2020-08-11 1:07:56 PM  

Sentient: I'm worried that Sunday night in Chicago is just a preview.


The eviction holidays are just bribes to stop the guillotines.
 
2020-08-11 1:08:17 PM  

EvilEgg: //Actually I am always judging books by their covers.  I can't read them all and I need some way to choose.


I look at titles, too. See, "Island of the Sequined Love Nun" pulled me right in. And it was hilarious.
 
2020-08-11 1:09:59 PM  

jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right?  Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years.  Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate. 

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic.  Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers. 

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion.  That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would: 
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."


Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?
 
2020-08-11 1:12:10 PM  

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2020-08-11 1:12:33 PM  
Maybe you been working just as hard as you're able
And you just got crumbs from the rich man's table
Maybe you been wondering, is it truth or fable
This land was made for you and me

--Woody Guthrie
 
2020-08-11 1:13:28 PM  
I've never envied the rich, or cared how much money they make. I just want them to meet their social responsibilities and pay their taxes. like the rest of us do.
Apparently, that's class warfare and constitutes my hating them and wanting to eat them.
 
2020-08-11 1:14:03 PM  

saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right?  Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years.  Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate. 

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic.  Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers. 

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion.  That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would: 
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?


Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.
 
2020-08-11 1:14:03 PM  

FleshMonkey: They don't care that billionaires are getting richer. They can't even imagine a billionaire.


I disagree.

They imagine a billionaire is someone who can do whatever he wants with no repurcussions.
Given the examples they're given, even the fake ones like Dolt 45, they're not wrong.
The amount of money they have is irrelevant. It's the doing what they want that is, and they'll sell their souls for even the chance that it might happen for them.
 
2020-08-11 1:16:05 PM  
Most people look at the record stock market figures and understand it is just rich people playing with rich people's money while the rest of the 99% are in a depression.  But keep bragging about it, Trump.
 
2020-08-11 1:17:10 PM  

d23: Oh, but Bezos deserves it, by golly.  He created a website to sell books, by golly!


U mad bro? You sound as if those grapes are awfully sour. 🍇

Don't be a gold miner, be the guy selling shovels.
 
2020-08-11 1:18:35 PM  
I can't really fathom a billion dollars. I try and put it into perspective - let's say you gave someone $1,000,000,000 in cash on the day they were born. They live to be 100 years old. If they never invest any of it and spend $27,000 every single day for their entire life, they will leave behind roughly $14 Million.
 
2020-08-11 1:18:57 PM  

Sentient: This isn't sustainable.

I swim with the little fish, but even I'm seeing people around me taking home hundreds of thousands, even millions in new, short-term profits from the upheaval. Just imagine what the real players are making. And all that money is coming directly out of the pockets of people who are struggling to pay basic bills right now.

It's insane. Usually the wealth transfer isn't jumping between economic strata quite so blatantly.

I'm worried that Sunday night in Chicago is just a preview.


Can you be a little more specific?  What types of transactions are these windfalls based on?
 
2020-08-11 1:19:07 PM  

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These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb.  So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer.  They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.


They see their whiteness as a privilege and a sign of divine blessing.  The idea that other races are equal is a direct attack on the very soul and center of their identities.   People do not accept that.   This is the feeling that the conservatives have been feeding off since before the civil war.  Tell a white person they are better than others, then they will cheer for you as you rip them off.
 
2020-08-11 1:19:10 PM  

Smackledorfer: saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right?  Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years.  Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate. 

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic.  Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers. 

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion.  That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would: 
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?

Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.


Oh. Well that's much better, then.
 
2020-08-11 1:20:10 PM  

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These photos are for laughs, I get it.  But it really shouldn't be that way.  These people have been conned by Trump, and conned by Republicans in general.  These are the people that used to benefit from FDR's New Deal.  Republicans and some Democrats have dismantled that, but they've been conned into thinking it's the Democrats and those damn liberals/minorities/feminazis/elitists faults and not the Republicans.

Somehow a new coalition needs to be formed which explicitly helps these people while also helping POC and getting those folks to realize it isn't POC's fault.  That brings back the New Deal, an expands it for today, while also continuing to fight for equal rights and opportunities for all.  RFK attempted to get this coalition together in 1968 but he was killed.  No one has successfully been able to do it since then.  Wish I had any idea about how to do so.
 
2020-08-11 1:20:14 PM  

saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right?  Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years.  Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate. 

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic.  Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers. 

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion.  That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would: 
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?


So, um, you're saying that bill as proposed should not be passed?
 
2020-08-11 1:25:58 PM  
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Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any    day    now.

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2020-08-11 1:28:30 PM  

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These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb.  So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer.  They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.


I don't look down on them. (except when it comes to their support for tRump)
I'll just never...EVER understand the hate and bigotry. Or why they continue to vote against their best interests? ( I know. Stigginit.)
They must REALLY love hurting each other in order to stiggit and stay stug themselves.
I seriously can't understand. Well...there is another yuge reason.
/They're racist.
//Their racism is what keeps them stug.
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2020-08-11 1:28:35 PM  

Sentient: This isn't sustainable.

I swim with the little fish, but even I'm seeing people around me taking home hundreds of thousands, even millions in new, short-term profits from the upheaval. Just imagine what the real players are making. And all that money is coming directly out of the pockets of people who are struggling to pay basic bills right now.

It's insane. Usually the wealth transfer isn't jumping between economic strata quite so blatantly.

I'm worried that Sunday night in Chicago is just a preview.


The big take away lesson from Chicago, and we'll see if people learn it, is that, because police hate protests so much, they outfit every single officer in riot gear and stick them on the riot line.  So, there's the entire police department, standing there holding down the 'riot'.

Meanwhile, 3 blocks down, mass looting, and no cops are able to respond.
 
2020-08-11 1:37:38 PM  

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Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any    day    now.

Thanks to hugram for these pictures. I just grabbed one because I didn't want to get too nauseated.


This picture is tragic. People believing that everyone had it "better" in the "olden days" - either through ignorance or biased education. Believing that you, too, could have a better life, if only SOMEONE wasn't keeping you down - never considering that the "someone" is yourself.

Yes, I know that these are the people who would cheerfully let me die by not wearing a mask, because I'm a liberal, and immunocompromised, and Covid is a "liberal conspiracy." Yes, I know that these people vote against their self-interest every time, because "stigginit" - or because they just want everyone else to hurt like they do. Or because they're single issue voters. Or CINO, with a side of Republican Jesus (Christian in Name Only) . Or because the education system, media bias - and availability - has flooded their minds with these stupid, backwards, harmful ideas that everything is a zero sum equation. And these are people who are so hung up on feeling superior, that they think racism and bigotry and religious intolerance are A-OK. I get all of this. None of their views are RIGHT. It's still tragic, because I see the outlines of what -caused- it, and it saddens me.
 
2020-08-11 1:38:17 PM  
Not surprising at all, at this point wealth is so concentrated at the top that they can manipulate pretty much anything in order to continue growing their fortunes. Compound interest is a harsh mistress.
 
2020-08-11 1:45:58 PM  
As I've said in other threads, I'm seeing many more Biden signs than tRump ones for this election than I did Hillary ones our last go 'round.. It gives me hope!
/Although there is a really rich dude that "summers" just up the the road from me.
//He has a "Gun Lovers For Trump" flag flying in his yard. UGH!
/// Every time we drive by it, hubby and I flip it off. I'll bet his cameras caught us flipping that flag the bird. Hehehe. 😁
 
2020-08-11 1:51:59 PM  

Smackledorfer: saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right? Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years. Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate.

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic. Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers.

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion. That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would:
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?

Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.

It helps to understand the true scale of what we're talking about here. Typical household income has five digits to the left of the decimal point. Tens of thousands of dollars.

Upper middle class has another digit. Hundreds of thousands a year.
Lower upper class has yet another digit. Millions a year.

Our decimal place value number system that Western Civilization got from the Indics by way of the Arabs (thus "Arabic numerals") was vastly superior to the Roman numerals from before, and without that and the concept of digits modern technology including digital computers (or digital anything) would be impossible.

But, it has a downside. We don't really grasp exponentials well. The differences in wealth are visually minimized when shown in decimal place value notation, since it's only a handful of extra digits even to get to billions range. Written out as digits, the resulting number just doesn't visually convey the true magnitude of such wealth. We don't truly viscerally understand what an order of magnitude is.

Here's a chart that shows wealth visually to true scale. The chart is such that one standard (not device) pixel (like this: ⇒·⇐) = $1,000. A typical household income of a bit less than $64 is thus an 8×8-pixel block (about the size of the small black square inside: ▣).

To fit within the browser space on a low-end screen, the charts for the net worths of Jeff Bezos and the Top 400 Americans are shown 500px tall. That means that each column of standard pixels represents $½ million. A slice formed from two adjacent such columns, a mere two pixels wide, represents $1 million.

Be prepared to do a lot of horizontal scrolling.

webron: FleshMonkey: hugram: FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
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These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb. So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer. They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.

They see their whiteness as a privilege and a sign of divine blessing. The idea that other races are equal is a direct attack on the very soul and center of their identities. People do not accept that. This is the feeling that the conservatives have been feeding off since before the civil war. Tell a white person they are better than others, then they will cheer for you as you rip them off.

Maestro's Girl: I don't look down on them. (except when it comes to their support for tRump)
I'll just never...EVER understand the hate and bigotry. Or why they continue to vote against their best interests? ( I know. Stigginit.)
They must REALLY love hurting each other in order to stiggit and stay stug themselves.
I seriously can't understand. Well...there is another yuge reason.
/They're racist.
//Their racism is what keeps them stug.
/// Fin.

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Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any day now.

Thanks to hugram for these pictures. I just grabbed one because I didn't want to get too nauseated.

This picture is tragic. People believing that everyone had it "better" in the "olden days" - either through ignorance or biased education. Believing that you, too, could have a better life, if only SOMEONE wasn't keeping you down - never considering that the "someone" is yourself.

Yes, I know that these are the people who would cheerfully let me die by not wearing a mask, because I'm a liberal, and immunocompromised, and Covid is a "liberal conspiracy." Yes, I know that these people vote against their self-interest every time, because "stigginit" - or because they just want everyone else to hurt like they do. Or because they're single issue voters. Or CINO, with a side of Republican Jesus (Christian in Name Only) . Or because the education system, media bias - and availability - has flooded their minds with these stupid, backwards, harmful ideas that everything is a zero sum equation. And these are people who are so hung up on feeling superior, that they think racism and bigotry and religious intolerance are A-OK. I get all of this. None of their views are RIGHT. It's still tragic, because I see the outlines of what −caused− it, and it saddens me.

See also a certain well-known LBJ quote. Look up "Last-Place Aversion" / "Last-Place Avoidance." Or just watch the South Park episode "The Poor Kid" and watch Cartman's behavior.
 
2020-08-11 2:12:00 PM  

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Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any    day    now.

Thanks to hugram for these pictures. I just grabbed one because I didn't want to get too nauseated.


They know it's not trickling down.  They've given up on things getting better for them and just want to spread the misery.
 
2020-08-11 2:26:49 PM  
If things continue to head in the current direction the new American Dream is going to be building up the means of moving to a country without regressive RW economic policy and, coincidentally, better upward mobility prospects. Ironically that will likely accelerate the demographic changes, thus accelerateing progress in the U.S. towards a more equitable economic and labor policy so maybe after awhile things will get sane and they can return.
 
2020-08-11 2:36:01 PM  

jso2897: I've never envied the rich, or cared how much money they make. I just want them to meet their social responsibilities and pay their taxes. like the rest of us do.


It's not about envy. George Lucas earned every dime he made (and gives a shiatload to charity). Bill Gates might be an asshole but he's achieved a lot and gives a shiatload to charity.

I'm not envious of rich people, I'm happy with my station in life. I resent how some of them live, how they feel and treat those poorer than them and feel entitled to everything they're not entitled to. And I resent that they never feel like they have enough. Again, not all rich people, just a shiatload of them.
 
2020-08-11 2:46:03 PM  

COMALite J: See also a certain well-known LBJ quote. Look up "Last-Place Aversion" / "Last-Place Avoidance." Or just watch the South Park episode "The Poor Kid" and watch Cartman's behavior.


Just read a paper on it. It's very interesting, and makes a sad, twisted kind of sense. In a society of "winners vs. losers", having something that might let someone else catch up could be scary. *sigh*
 
2020-08-11 3:00:07 PM  

COMALite J: Smackledorfer: saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right? Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years. Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate.

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic. Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers.

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion. That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would:
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?

Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.
It helps to understand the true scale of what we're talking about here. Typical household income has five digits to the left of the decimal point. Tens of thousands of dollars.

Upper middle class has another digit. Hundreds of thousands a year.
Lower upper class has yet another digit. Millions a year.

Our decimal place value number system that Western Civilization got from the Indics by way of the Arabs (thus "Arabic numerals") was vastly superior to the Roman numerals from before, and without that and the concept of digits modern technology including digital computers (or digital anything) would be impossible.

But, it has a downside. We don't really grasp exponentials well. The differences in wealth are visually minimized when shown in decimal place value notation, since it's only a handful of extra digits even to get to billions range. Written out as digits, the resulting number just doesn't visually convey the true magnitude of such wealth. We don't truly viscerally understand what an order of magnitude is.

Here's a chart that shows wealth visually to true scale. The chart is such that one standard (not device) pixel (like this: ⇒·⇐) = $1,000. A typical household income of a bit less than $64 is thus an 8×8-pixel block (about the size of the small black square inside: ▣).

To fit within the browser space on a low-end screen, the charts for the net worths of Jeff Bezos and the Top 400 Americans are shown 500px tall. That means that each column of standard pixels represents $½ million. A slice formed from two adjacent such columns, a mere two pixels wide, represents $1 million.

Be prepared to do a lot of horizontal scrolling.

webron: FleshMonkey: hugram: FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
[Fark user image image 850×478]
[Fark user image image 850×567]
[Fark user image image 720×420]
[Fark user image image 850×478]
[Fark user image image 780×520]

These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb. So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer. They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.

They see their whiteness as a privilege and a sign of divine blessing. The idea that other races are equal is a direct attack on the very soul and center of their identities. People do not accept that. This is the feeling that the conservatives have been feeding off since before the civil war. Tell a white person they are better than others, then they will cheer for you as you rip them off.
Maestro's Girl: I don't look down on them. (except when it comes to their support for tRump)
I'll just never...EVER understand the hate and bigotry. Or why they continue to vote against their best interests? ( I know. Stigginit.)
They must REALLY love hurting each other in order to stiggit and stay stug themselves.
I seriously can't understand. Well...there is another yuge reason.
/They're racist.
//Their racism is what keeps them stug.
/// Fin.
bobug: I-K-Rumba: [Fark user image 850x567]

Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any day now.

Thanks to hugram for these pictures. I just grabbed one because I didn't want to get too nauseated.

This picture is tragic. People believing that everyone had it "better" in the "olden days" - either through ignorance or biased education. Believing that you, too, could have a better life, if only SOMEONE wasn't keeping you down - never considering that the "someone" is yourself.

Yes, I know that these are the people who would cheerfully let me die by not wearing a mask, because I'm a liberal, and immunocompromised, and Covid is a "liberal conspiracy." Yes, I know that these people vote against their self-interest every time, because "stigginit" - or because they just want everyone else to hurt like they do. Or because they're single issue voters. Or CINO, with a side of Republican Jesus (Christian in Name Only) . Or because the education system, media bias - and availability - has flooded their minds with these stupid, backwards, harmful ideas that everything is a zero sum equation. And these are people who are so hung up on feeling superior, that they think racism and bigotry and religious intolerance are A-OK. I get all of this. None of their views are RIGHT. It's still tragic, because I see the outlines of what −caused− it, and it saddens me.
See also a certain well-known LBJ quote. Look up "Last-Place Aversion" / "Last-Place Avoidance." Or just watch the South Park episode "The Poor Kid" and watch Cartman's behavior.


Thank you for the helpful search terms. I did a search on both of those, and bookmarked for further and more thourough reading. ( I love South Park, so I'll check that episode out when I'm not so pressed for time)
This quote stuck me though:
"People in second-to-last place, however, who would fall to last place when giving the money to the person below them, are the least likely to do so: so strong is their desire to avoid last place that they choose to give the money to a wealthier person (the person above them) nearly half the time."
THIS....this is what my brain can't comprehend. I've literally given my last few dollars, more than once, to help someone less fourtunate...even though I went without some things I really needed. So... I just...
I can't stand to see folks suffer, even if it means I have to suffer just as much or even more than they do.
I feel empathy for other folks very deeply, and I also feel guilty if I feel I can do anything to help someone and I'm not able to or don't. ( because sometimes, bills have to be paid and I have to make sure hubby and I can at least do that to stay afloat)
*sigh*
It weighs heavily on me. I'm not complaining by any means, it's just that stuff like this can keep me up at night. And it does.
We could have such a great and prosperous country for ALL, if only...
/If only... 😢
 
2020-08-11 3:12:33 PM  

Maestro's Girl: COMALite J: Smackledorfer: saywhonow: jethroe: Bernie has a proposal. It's sure to pass, right? Or I'm sure Biden will glom onto it.

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/downloa​d/make-billionaires-pay-fact-sheet?id=​788A69A1-3162-4E3D-BC12-0BB8346423A0&d​ownload=1&inline=file

"Over and over again, we have been told that we cannot possibly afford to guarantee healthcare as a right by moving to a Medicare for All system - even on a temporary basis during the worst public health emergency in over a hundred years. Well, it turns out that is not quite accurate.

While a record-breaking 5.4 million Americans recently lost their health insurance, 467 billionaires in our country increased their wealth by an estimated $731.8 billion during the pandemic. Incredibly, as a result of the Trump tax giveaway to the rich, these billionaires currently pay a lower effective tax rate than teachers or truck drivers.

According to Americans for Tax Fairness and Institute for Policy, if we taxed 60 percent of the windfall gains these billionaires made from March 18th until August 5th we could raise $421.7 billion. That's enough revenue to allow Medicare to pay all of the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses for everyone in America over the next 12 months (based on an estimate from the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget)...

This legislation would:
• Establish a 60% tax on the gains in wealth billionaires made between March 18th, 2020 and January 1, 2021. • Empower Medicare to pay for the out-of-pocket healthcare expenses of all Americans for one year."

Leave it to the Bernie bros to turn a nice old-fashioned trump bashing in to a "everybodies secretly conservative and Bernie is the only true liberal" thing.

God dammit. You know it's not all about you, right?

Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.
It helps to understand the true scale of what we're talking about here. Typical household income has five digits to the left of the decimal point. Tens of thousands of dollars.

Upper middle class has another digit. Hundreds of thousands a year.
Lower upper class has yet another digit. Millions a year.

Our decimal place value number system that Western Civilization got from the Indics by way of the Arabs (thus "Arabic numerals") was vastly superior to the Roman numerals from before, and without that and the concept of digits modern technology including digital computers (or digital anything) would be impossible.

But, it has a downside. We don't really grasp exponentials well. The differences in wealth are visually minimized when shown in decimal place value notation, since it's only a handful of extra digits even to get to billions range. Written out as digits, the resulting number just doesn't visually convey the true magnitude of such wealth. We don't truly viscerally understand what an order of magnitude is.

Here's a chart that shows wealth visually to true scale. The chart is such that one standard (not device) pixel (like this: ⇒·⇐) = $1,000. A typical household income of a bit less than $64 is thus an 8×8-pixel block (about the size of the small black square inside: ▣).

To fit within the browser space on a low-end screen, the charts for the net worths of Jeff Bezos and the Top 400 Americans are shown 500px tall. That means that each column of standard pixels represents $½ million. A slice formed from two adjacent such columns, a mere two pixels wide, represents $1 million.

Be prepared to do a lot of horizontal scrolling.

webron: FleshMonkey: hugram: FOUR MORE YEARS... FOUR MORE YEARS...
[Fark user image image 850×478]
[Fark user image image 850×567]
[Fark user image image 720×420]
[Fark user image image 850×478]
[Fark user image image 780×520]

These pictures make sense as to why they support Trump.

They are resentful against other people they see and interact with. Liberals look down on them for being dumb. So they want to hurt the liberals.

They don't care that billionaires are getting richer. They can't even imagine a billionaire.

But they can see people looking down their noses at them. And those people need to be hurt.

They see their whiteness as a privilege and a sign of divine blessing. The idea that other races are equal is a direct attack on the very soul and center of their identities. People do not accept that. This is the feeling that the conservatives have been feeding off since before the civil war. Tell a white person they are better than others, then they will cheer for you as you rip them off.
Maestro's Girl: I don't look down on them. (except when it comes to their support for tRump)
I'll just never...EVER understand the hate and bigotry. Or why they continue to vote against their best interests? ( I know. Stigginit.)
They must REALLY love hurting each other in order to stiggit and stay stug themselves.
I seriously can't understand. Well...there is another yuge reason.
/They're racist.
//Their racism is what keeps them stug.
/// Fin.
bobug: I-K-Rumba: [Fark user image 850x567]

Laugh all you want, but just wait till the $ start to trickle down. It's gonna happen any day now....any day now.....any day now.

Thanks to hugram for these pictures. I just grabbed one because I didn't want to get too nauseated.

This picture is tragic. People believing that everyone had it "better" in the "olden days" - either through ignorance or biased education. Believing that you, too, could have a better life, if only SOMEONE wasn't keeping you down - never considering that the "someone" is yourself.

Yes, I know that these are the people who would cheerfully let me die by not wearing a mask, because I'm a liberal, and immunocompromised, and Covid is a "liberal conspiracy." Yes, I know that these people vote against their self-interest every time, because "stigginit" - or because they just want everyone else to hurt like they do. Or because they're single issue voters. Or CINO, with a side of Republican Jesus (Christian in Name Only) . Or because the education system, media bias - and availability - has flooded their minds with these stupid, backwards, harmful ideas that everything is a zero sum equation. And these are people who are so hung up on feeling superior, that they think racism and bigotry and religious intolerance are A-OK. I get all of this. None of their views are RIGHT. It's still tragic, because I see the outlines of what −caused− it, and it saddens me.
See also a certain well-known LBJ quote. Look up "Last-Place Aversion" / "Last-Place Avoidance." Or just watch the South Park episode "The Poor Kid" and watch Cartman's behavior.

Thank you for the helpful search terms. I did a search on both of those, and bookmarked for further and more thourough reading. ( I love South Park, so I'll check that episode out when I'm not so pressed for time)
This quote stuck me though:
"People in second-to-last place, however, who would fall to last place when giving the money to the person below them, are the least likely to do so: so strong is their desire to avoid last place that they choose to give the money to a wealthier person (the person above them) nearly half the time."
THIS....this is what my brain can't comprehend. I've literally given my last few dollars, more than once, to help someone less fourtunate...even though I went without some things I really needed. So... I just...
I can't stand to see folks suffer, even if it means I have to suffer just as much or even more than they do.
I feel empathy for other folks very deeply, and I also feel guilty if I feel I can do anything to help someone and I'm not able to or don't. ( because sometimes, bills have to be paid and I have to make sure hubby and I can at least do that to stay afloat)
*sigh*
It weighs heavily on me. I'm not complaining by any means, it's just that stuff like this can keep me up at night. And it does.
We could have such a great and prosperous country for ALL, if only...
/If only... 😢


Typo, Damn it. I meant , this quote *struck me though.
 
2020-08-11 3:42:13 PM  
Smackledorfer: Jethroe isn't a Bernie bro.

He is, afaict, mostly moderate, with a penchant for trolling the left.


COMALite J: It helps to understand the true scale of what we're talking about here. Typical household income has five digits to the left of the decimal point. Tens of thousands of dollars.

Upper middle class has another digit. Hundreds of thousands a year.
Lower upper class has yet another digit. Millions a year.

Our decimal place value number system that Western Civilization got from the Indics by way of the Arabs (thus "Arabic numerals") was vastly superior to the Roman numerals from before, and without that and the concept of digits modern technology including digital computers (or digital anything) would be impossible.

But, it has a downside. We don't really grasp exponentials well. The differences in wealth are visually minimized when shown in decimal place value notation, since it's only a handful of extra digits even to get to billions range. Written out as digits, the resulting number just doesn't visually convey the true magnitude of such wealth. We don't truly viscerally understand what an order of magnitude is.

Here's a chart that shows wealth visually to true scale. The chart is such that one standard (not device) pixel (like this: ⇒·⇐) = $1,000. A typical household income of a bit less than $64 is thus an 8×8-pixel block (about the size of the small black square inside: ▣).

To fit within the browser space on a low-end screen, the charts for the net worths of Jeff Bezos and the Top 400 Americans are shown 500px tall. That means that each column of standard pixels represents $½ million. A slice formed from two adjacent such columns, a mere two pixels wide, represents $1 million.

Be prepared to do a lot of horizontal scrolling.


Out of curiosity, just what it is it you imagined my opinion to be here?  Because I didn't say a goddamn thing about my thoughts on wealth distribution or taxation.  Farkers, please put your imagination away when replying to me. If I have something I want to say I'll use my words.

:)
 
2020-08-11 3:54:28 PM  

bobug: COMALite J: See also a certain well-known LBJ quote. Look up "Last-Place Aversion" / "Last-Place Avoidance." Or just watch the South Park episode "The Poor Kid" and watch Cartman's behavior.

Just read a paper on it. It's very interesting, and makes a sad, twisted kind of sense. In a society of "winners vs. losers", having something that might let someone else catch up could be scary. *sigh*

Maestro's Girl: Thank you for the helpful search terms. I did a search on both of those, and bookmarked for further and more thorough reading. ( I love South Park, so I'll check that episode out when I'm not so pressed for time)

This quote struck me though:

"People in second-to-last place, however, who would fall to last place when giving the money to the person below them, are the least likely to do so: so strong is their desire to avoid last place that they choose to give the money to a wealthier person (the person above them) nearly half the time."

THIS....this is what my brain can't comprehend. I've literally given my last few dollars, more than once, to help someone less fortunate...even though I went without some things I really needed. So... I just..
.
I can't stand to see folks suffer, even if it means I have to suffer just as much or even more than they do.

I feel empathy for other folks very deeply, and I also feel guilty if I feel I can do anything to help someone and I'm not able to or don't. ( because sometimes, bills have to be paid and I have to make sure hubby and I can at least do that to stay afloat)

*sigh*

It weighs heavily on me. I'm not complaining by any means, it's just that stuff like this can keep me up at night. And it does.

We could have such a great and prosperous country for ALL, if only...
/If only... 😢

The South Park episode is the one where (due to Cartman's machinations) the parents of Kenny McCormick, "the Poor Kid" at South Park Elementary, are arrested and their three kids including Kenny (the one in the parka who used to die every episode) were sent into foster care. Cartman wants to gloat about whoever the new "Poor Kid" is, and finds out that it's, well, him. He can't stand it. He and his mother are barely above the McCormicks in terms of financial status. but without the McCormicks, he's now in Last Place, and he goes even more insane than usual. He puts himself into foster care to get Kenny back so that Cartman's no longer in Last Place as "the Poor Kid." It's a clever portrayal of Last Place Avoidance / Aversion in popular entertainment.

Did you view my other link, the one with the chart of Wealth Shown to Scale? Check it out.
 
2020-08-11 3:56:11 PM  

Smackledorfer: Out of curiosity, just what it is it you imagined my opinion to be here? Because I didn't say a goddamn thing about my thoughts on wealth distribution or taxation. Farkers, please put your imagination away when replying to me. If I have something I want to say I'll use my words.

:)


I was replying to jethroe and tagged your post because it included the most other names of Farkers who'd replied to him. I apologize for the confusion.
 
2020-08-11 4:00:41 PM  

COMALite J: Smackledorfer: Out of curiosity, just what it is it you imagined my opinion to be here? Because I didn't say a goddamn thing about my thoughts on wealth distribution or taxation. Farkers, please put your imagination away when replying to me. If I have something I want to say I'll use my words.

:)

I was replying to jethroe and tagged your post because it included the most other names of Farkers who'd replied to him. I apologize for the confusion.


Hehe.  I'm just getting so used to people making wild assumptions and extrapolations from my posts these days.
 
2020-08-11 4:17:44 PM  
I'm sure that their livers are seasoning well and will be delicious.
 
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