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(Talking Points Memo)   CDC reports 200,000 more deaths at this point in 2020 compared to previous years. So it's not a hoax: murderous antifa supersoldiers do exist   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2020-08-10 11:52:50 PM  
Excess deaths don't lie
 
2020-08-11 12:27:22 AM  
I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.
 
2020-08-11 1:42:47 AM  
And that's with everything being shut down and most people staying home from work and sheltering in place for weeks or months, which one with think would greatly decrease the spread of "ordinary" communicable viruses and illnesses, such as influenza, that in other years would account for a large number of deaths. So the 200K excess deaths number is probably even more significant than it would appear at first blush.
 
2020-08-11 1:46:44 AM  

Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.


As well as workplace/industrial injuries or illnesses that might otherwise result in deaths. If you aren't going to work, you obviously aren't going to be sickened, injured, or killed on the job.
 
2020-08-11 1:56:29 AM  
Well... everyone will have nice lawns?
 
2020-08-11 2:39:39 AM  
Excess deaths due to toaster fires.
 
2020-08-11 2:39:42 AM  
It's been a really bad year for pneumonia deaths for some reason.
 
2020-08-11 2:39:56 AM  

Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.


Best I could find is this
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavi​r​us-live-updates/2020/05/20/859829779/a​s-states-locked-down-in-march-motor-ve​hicle-fatality-rate-spiked-by-14

As we started lockdowns, motor vehicle deaths spiked 14%.

I think Covid is going to ultimately invoke a lot of freakinomics.
 
2020-08-11 2:40:38 AM  

cretinbob: Excess deaths don't lie


No one checks for a pulse like we do, believe me.  If we didn't check for a pulse, there would be less people without a pulse.
 
2020-08-11 2:40:38 AM  
Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.
 
2020-08-11 2:40:39 AM  

Cyberluddite: And that's with everything being shut down and most people staying home from work and sheltering in place for weeks or months, which one with think would greatly decrease the spread of "ordinary" communicable viruses and illnesses, such as influenza, that in other years would account for a large number of deaths. So the 200K excess deaths number is probably even more significant than it would appear at first blush.


It's flu season here in NZ right now, here's how it's tracking compared to previous years. It should be noted that there is a big flu vaccine campaign this year. The government didn't want the risk of people getting Covid and the flu at the same time.

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2020-08-11 2:43:33 AM  
These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?
 
2020-08-11 2:53:22 AM  

Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.


I have USAA for car insurance, and they notified me they were temporarily reducing my premiums due to lessened risk of a collision.
 
2020-08-11 2:56:20 AM  
How many of those were the result of fluorescent suppositories?
 
2020-08-11 3:01:12 AM  

Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.


Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.
Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.
Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?


I really hope these are both just sarcasm. I think the captain is but the bear is not.
 
2020-08-11 3:04:39 AM  

ImpendingCynic: How many of those were the result of fluorescent suppositories?


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2020-08-11 3:07:30 AM  

FarkingChas: Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.
Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.
Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

I really hope these are both just sarcasm. I think the captain is but the bear is not.


This was my first Fark trolling attempt to pretend I'm a Conservative. If I try again, I promise to do better.
 
2020-08-11 3:07:53 AM  
I remember when fortune telling was considered unreliable. Now you just throw the word data in front of your prediction and the rubes eat it up whether you're right or wrong.
 
2020-08-11 3:10:40 AM  

Cyberluddite: And that's with everything being shut down and most people staying home from work and sheltering in place for weeks or months, which one with think would greatly decrease the spread of "ordinary" communicable viruses and illnesses, such as influenza, that in other years would account for a large number of deaths. So the 200K excess deaths number is probably even more significant than it would appear at first blush.


Also, with so many people stuck at home, vehicular related deaths are also likely down a notch or two.
 
2020-08-11 3:12:34 AM  

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?


https://www.safewise.com/blog/househo​l​d-accidents/
Every year, more than 160,000 Americans die as a result of an accident, making accidents the third biggest cause of death across the country-and unintentional household injury makes up 75% of those deaths.
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WTF people?

Poisoning? Highest deaths from alcohol, drugs and cleaning products/toxic vapors. Kentucky is second/first in the country. Doesnt surprise me they keep voting Mitch and Rand.

Falling? Killing old people mostly.

Choking? Mostly babies.... cant even imagine whats its like to lose your baby by choking...

Drowning? Mostly kids.

Stay the fark home, dont take drugs, drink alcohol in a reasonable manner, take care of your kids, learn to swim and chew when you eat and you wont die.
 
2020-08-11 3:15:08 AM  
Bravo, subby.  You set that one up and then really delivered.
 
2020-08-11 3:17:07 AM  
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What an antifa supersoldier might look like.
 
2020-08-11 3:20:29 AM  
Damn the Dems went all out hiring crisis actors, damn Soros.
 
2020-08-11 3:24:48 AM  

west.la.lawyer: cretinbob: Excess deaths don't lie

No one checks for a pulse like we do, believe me.  If we didn't check for a pulse, there would be less people without a pulse.


username checks out
 
2020-08-11 3:30:27 AM  

blastoh: Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.

Best I could find is this
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavir​us-live-updates/2020/05/20/859829779/a​s-states-locked-down-in-march-motor-ve​hicle-fatality-rate-spiked-by-14

As we started lockdowns, motor vehicle deaths spiked 14%.

I think Covid is going to ultimately invoke a lot of freakinomics.


Always pay close attention to the units: The rate spiked, but:

> The total number of motor-vehicle-related deaths dropped by 8% in March of this year compared with March 2019, but the number of miles driven dropped by over 18%, because of myriad COVID-19 related impacts.
 
2020-08-11 3:36:28 AM  
They probably all died from mask-induced carbon monoxide poisoning and quarantine-induced suicidal depression. I hope you're happy now, libs. You have blood on your hands!
 
2020-08-11 3:44:49 AM  

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?


So, at least 2 of you guys now. Guess this is the need gaslighting talking point? Yeah, doctors know the difference between a suicide and death by illness.

Stay away from the SuicideTheory, stick to the 5Gs and ChineseConspiracies that you're used to.
 
2020-08-11 3:45:56 AM  
Wouldn't it be ironic if Trump loses the election by exactly that many votes?
 
2020-08-11 3:48:47 AM  

FarkingChas: Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.
Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.
Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

I really hope these are both just sarcasm. I think the captain is but the bear is not.


Part sarcasm and part 'well this is bound to be said and someone really really means it.' so got my bingo card ready.
 
2020-08-11 4:08:36 AM  

Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.


While not due to economic stress I did just have a co-worker commit suicide unfortunately. He was generally seen as a happy outgoing guy. He was obviously dealing with some kind of demons but it's hard to not see it at least in part as being a result of sudden isolation and not having his peer group.
 
2020-08-11 4:32:04 AM  

cretinbob: Excess deaths don't lie


But are they really dead, or just moved off the grid?

I joke, about nothing to joke at.
 
2020-08-11 4:42:17 AM  

Captain Shaky: FarkingChas: Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.
Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.
Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

I really hope these are both just sarcasm. I think the captain is but the bear is not.

This was my first Fark trolling attempt to pretend I'm a Conservative. If I try again, I promise to do better.


Needed a '1' among the exclamation & question marks.
 
2020-08-11 4:49:13 AM  

El Rich-o: Captain Shaky: FarkingChas: Bear_of_Arkona: Everyone got their bingo cards ready? I bet excess suicides due to economic distress brought upon by the Dems and many of those deaths are made up to get that sweet covid-19 money so counted people two or three times.

Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.
Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.
Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

I really hope these are both just sarcasm. I think the captain is but the bear is not.

This was my first Fark trolling attempt to pretend I'm a Conservative. If I try again, I promise to do better.

Needed a '1' among the exclamation & question marks.


I probably won't do this much... but if I do, I will heed your advise!1! Thank you.
 
2020-08-11 4:52:29 AM  

minorshan: Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

So, at least 2 of you guys now. Guess this is the need gaslighting talking point? Yeah, doctors know the difference between a suicide and death by illness.

Stay away from the SuicideTheory, stick to the 5Gs and ChineseConspiracies that you're used to.


The "need gaslighting talking point"?

THE "need gaslighting talking point"?!?

Maybe.
 
2020-08-11 4:55:34 AM  
Meanwhile

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2020-08-11 5:13:44 AM  

Bear_of_Arkona: Part sarcasm and part 'well this is bound to be said and someone really really means it.' so got my bingo card ready.


Apparently you've been trolling a coworker and decreasingly important friend of mine.  Thing is he believed you,so if you could stop, that would be great.

/Sigh, I wish I was kidding about him believing that short of BS.
//Newest conspiracy is that cities that have FED Reserve branches have lot HUD opportunity zones and now have had lots of riot damage.  SOROS LEVEL of international conspiracy.  Not that large cities have Fed locations and poverty for HUD to work on.
///MF might cut himself on occam's razor while shaving one of these days....
 
2020-08-11 5:18:40 AM  
It wasn't too long ago that the plague rats were trying to statsplain COVID away by making some point about how excess deaths weren't hardly up at all. I see they've now STFU as they pivot to some other incompletely understood statistics they can torture into supporting their confirmation biases. But I'm sure they'll be along any second now to apologize for being wrong about this one.
 
2020-08-11 5:27:27 AM  

cretinbob: Excess deaths don't lie


Generally they do, unless you're propping them up or something weird like that.
 
2020-08-11 5:29:56 AM  
Every single one of those people had a pre-existing condition or were elderly, so they don't count.

Sincerely, every asshole on my local news facebook comments section.
 
2020-08-11 5:31:13 AM  

Captain Shaky: minorshan: Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

So, at least 2 of you guys now. Guess this is the need gaslighting talking point? Yeah, doctors know the difference between a suicide and death by illness.

Stay away from the SuicideTheory, stick to the 5Gs and ChineseConspiracies that you're used to.

The "need gaslighting talking point"?

THE "need gaslighting talking point"?!?

Maybe.


Typo. It was supposed to be "new", not "need".
 
2020-08-11 5:37:42 AM  
For God's sake, keep this article away from the white house.  If toddler in chief sees that the CDC is still tallying the actual state provided numbers and not just what is sent to them after being manipulated by the feds, there will be hell to pay.

His base wouldn't believe it anyway, but add this to the current total or the projected year end total, and that number is mind boggling.
 
2020-08-11 5:53:58 AM  

cretinbob: Excess deaths don't lie


And dead men tell no tales...
 
2020-08-11 6:18:55 AM  

Cyberluddite: And that's with everything being shut down and most people staying home from work and sheltering in place for weeks or months, which one with think would greatly decrease the spread of "ordinary" communicable viruses and illnesses, such as influenza, that in other years would account for a large number of deaths. So the 200K excess deaths number is probably even more significant than it would appear at first blush.


Most? Unemployment is around 11%. 18% at the peak in April and May. I highly doubt 51% of people working are all in a call center or IT help desk.
 
2020-08-11 6:30:47 AM  

Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.


Nope
Sorry
Fake news. Don's already cured it. It just went away, just like he said. You democrats are the cause of this, and you want to know why?
Because Sleepy Joe. And Obama. Treason, that's why. Read the books. Read the reports. It was the greatest economy ever and then Obama treasoned and China.
If you would just watch OAN and get your info you would know that you can only trust Mike Pompeo, Bill Barr, don, and Kelley Mcmanemy to tell the truth.
We are going to have the best economy EVAR if we re-elect don. By January Iran is going to make a deal...
 
2020-08-11 6:30:54 AM  
So it's not a hoax: murderous antifa supersoldiers do exist

We're coming for you, subby.  You know too much.  And we will not stop until you have healthcare and education.
 
2020-08-11 6:35:42 AM  

lolmao500: Captain Shaky: These are shutdown deaths.

Many suicides, but also a massive increase in household accidents.

Household accidents account for 160,000 deaths per year on average... what did you Libs think would happen when you made people spend all of their time at their house?!?

https://www.safewise.com/blog/househol​d-accidents/
Every year, more than 160,000 Americans die as a result of an accident, making accidents the third biggest cause of death across the country-and unintentional household injury makes up 75% of those deaths.
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WTF people?

Poisoning? Highest deaths from alcohol, drugs and cleaning products/toxic vapors. Kentucky is second/first in the country. Doesnt surprise me they keep voting Mitch and Rand.

Falling? Killing old people mostly.

Choking? Mostly babies.... cant even imagine whats its like to lose your baby by choking...

Drowning? Mostly kids.

Stay the fark home, dont take drugs, drink alcohol in a reasonable manner, take care of your kids, learn to swim and chew when you eat and you wont die.


Chewing while swimming probably causes 4-6 death per year.
 
2020-08-11 6:36:47 AM  

Enigmamf: blastoh: Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.

Best I could find is this
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavir​us-live-updates/2020/05/20/859829779/a​s-states-locked-down-in-march-motor-ve​hicle-fatality-rate-spiked-by-14

As we started lockdowns, motor vehicle deaths spiked 14%.

I think Covid is going to ultimately invoke a lot of freakinomics.

Always pay close attention to the units: The rate spiked, but:

> The total number of motor-vehicle-related deaths dropped by 8% in March of this year compared with March 2019, but the number of miles driven dropped by over 18%, because of myriad COVID-19 related impacts.


Yeah, I remember reading somewhere (but can't be arsed finding a source) that the rate of speeding had gone up because the traffic was clearer. This was in Australia when we had a lockdown and only essential workers could drive more than very short distances.
 
2020-08-11 7:04:36 AM  

Katerchen: I couldn't find any numbers, but common sense would suggest for car accident deaths to be down for the comparable time period. Meaning that direct and indirect COVID deaths are even higher.


IL is showing down 23 fatalities (565 vs. 588) from last year, implying about 925-950 all year. Last year was 988, last five years has run 1009,1035,1090,1078, 988. So, down and definitely below average - but we're only down a bit.

So, for one state, not a significant offsetting factor. One issue is with fewer cars on the road, average road speeds have gone up, and the simplest traffic rule is the more velocity involved, the higher the fatality rate. Indeed, I don't have details on incidents, it may be that there are fewer motor vehicle accidents but a higher fatality rate from them.

Speaking strictly of personal impressions, traffic is definitely coming back up from March, where it was almost creepy how quiet the city was because of how little traffic there was, but it's not back to normal. There's some highway congestion again. I can't tell you how much because I haven't really paid attention, but traffic on the side streets has gotten much closer to normal.

I wouldn't be surprised to see traffic fatalities down in the first two quarters and spiking now that people are getting out and about again.
 
2020-08-11 7:13:07 AM  
Watching many here, my guess is:
Cirrhosis.
 
2020-08-11 7:15:09 AM  
Just goes to show how many car accidents there's been this year.
 
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