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(Yahoo)   In this era of coronavirus collapse, one business is imploding the usual way, as "vegan dining club" employees clash with "burger and steak club" employees and no work gets done   (yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-08-11 1:51:04 AM  
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2020-08-11 3:19:16 AM  
wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......
 
2020-08-11 4:56:50 AM  
Both are more sucessful than my cannibal club. The most members the club ever has is 2. Then it ends up just being me. If anyone is interested get in touch. I always open the first meeting with a special cocktail that's a real knockout.
 
2020-08-11 5:10:31 AM  
When he asks "am I the asshole?" the answer is "You are one of the two".
 
2020-08-11 5:29:39 AM  

luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......


The Company is your life and your life is the Company's. Everything must meet approval
 
2020-08-11 5:39:14 AM  

luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......


It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.
 
2020-08-11 5:54:47 AM  

gar1013: luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......

It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.


That's not discriminatory at all...
 
2020-08-11 6:56:55 AM  
Why is you HR dept approving clubs?? (that's the problem)

There shouldn't be any official "extra-curricular" activities in a business. If the vegans want top have dinner once a while that one thing. But its the official club, that made this guy want an apposing club.

Fire the HR director. Shut down all the clubs.

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2020-08-11 7:03:14 AM  

AngryDragon: gar1013: luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......

It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.

That's not discriminatory at all...


Also not always true. My company's a multinational and has had a Christian fellowship for as long as I've been there. As well as "women, minorities and homosexuals" they're also pretty supportive of hobby groups and very supportive of sports and exercise clubs, we also have vegetarian and vegan groups, no fights so far. 

You don't do that stuff on company time (well not too much), but they can use the office facilities, especially after normal business hours and you can use the company's intranet and yammer to organise.

My company's very good about employee welfare, but they're not that out there for a big company.
 
2020-08-11 7:42:24 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: AngryDragon: gar1013: luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......

It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.

That's not discriminatory at all...

Also not always true. My company's a multinational and has had a Christian fellowship for as long as I've been there. As well as "women, minorities and homosexuals" they're also pretty supportive of hobby groups and very supportive of sports and exercise clubs, we also have vegetarian and vegan groups, no fights so far.

You don't do that stuff on company time (well not too much), but they can use the office facilities, especially after normal business hours and you can use the company's intranet and yammer to organise.

My company's very good about employee welfare, but they're not that out there for a big company.


That's fine.  My opinion is that businesses shouldn't be sanctioning any private social club.  If they choose to though they should be sanctioning every one.  Either way is fine but if they're being selective that where the trouble starts.

My issue is with the bolded above.
 
2020-08-11 7:46:08 AM  
Carnivores shouldn't need a support group.
 
2020-08-11 7:50:37 AM  
The frustrated employee shared his dilemma in Reddit's AITA (Am I The A******) forum. Writing under the username Unlucky_Sound_6040, he explained why he decided to start a "meat-eaters-only" club at work.
"After colleagues created an exclusive vegans-only club at work, I created a meat-eaters-only club at work. Am I the a******?" the user asked.


I'd say that you're defining yourself based on another.  You're not an asshole.  You're just bored.
 
2020-08-11 8:41:04 AM  
They should start a group called " Right About Now We're Happy To Have Jobs And Happy That Our Employer IS Not In A COVID Death Spiral, So Let's STFU & GBTW."
 
2020-08-11 8:54:38 AM  
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''kay, dudes - everyone protein up with meat.Taters are an acceptable side but no veg!'

'I'm having a sandwich with corn beef between two slices of meatloaf!'

'See? Tommy gets it! Remember, at 12:30 we'll walk over to the vegan table & T-bag them with our meatballs.'
 
2020-08-11 9:10:26 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Carnivores shouldn't need a support group.


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2020-08-11 9:30:18 AM  
Yes, YATA.

Starting a 'meat eaters club' in response to the vegetarian club is up there with starting a 'whites club' in response to the African-American employee club.
 
2020-08-11 9:51:50 AM  

mcmnky: Yes, YATA.

Starting a 'meat eaters club' in response to the vegetarian club is up there with starting a 'whites club' in response to the African-American employee club.


Yes, it's EXACTLY like that.

/sounds like you need a Snickers.
 
2020-08-11 9:52:56 AM  
thanks for some answers everyone.

i read this and thought "ok. this kind of thing can happen at high schools, where 'school sanctioned clubs' can meet on school property and put up flyers in the hallways, but do not receive school funds and meet only before or after class hours." (22 years ago the huge fight at my public high school was "if you allow a Fellowship of Christian Athletes you damn well need to allow a Gay/Straight Alliance".)

the ideas of adults at a business (and one large enough to have an HR department) having a similar situation blows my mind!

social support for students at a public school, in a country that requires children to attend school, and when people are adolescents trying to figure out who they are and if they are accepted, make sense. kids SHOULD have some free social support offered beyond what they find at home and on social media.

ADULTS, being paid to be somewhere, somewhere they could leave for another job, also needing "clubs" seems really stupid to me. make friends you can also see outside of work hours, and find additional support groups online if you need them people!
 
2020-08-11 10:04:17 AM  
The vegan club (LOL) started the whole fiasco by specifically excluding people.  Make both groups drop the exclusionary nonsense and move on.
 
2020-08-11 11:15:55 AM  

Calehedron: mcmnky: Yes, YATA.

Starting a 'meat eaters club' in response to the vegetarian club is up there with starting a 'whites club' in response to the African-American employee club.

Yes, it's EXACTLY like that.

/sounds like you need a Snickers.


I don't think it's exactly that, which is why I did not say it was exactly that.

Point is, OP didn't think "I like eating meat and want to associate with other meat eaters, so I'll start a club." No, he thought "those people like something I don't like and are doing something I don't want to do. They're not harming me or interfering with my life in any way. I need to do something that points out how wrong they are."
 
2020-08-11 12:04:59 PM  

luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......


Came here for this, leaving happily.

HR's job is to ensure that the company is not unduly affected or held liable by employee actions and words.

If this is, indeed, real, this is a true HR failure. It's one thing to have cliques within the workplace - we're social creatures, and we tend to gravitate towards those with like interests. It's quite another to have one or more such social cliques given official sanction by an employer. Vegans (or carnivores, for that matter) are not a protected class, and HR made a huge mistake here which can easily be corrected by a) apologizing for the misunderstanding, as all activities sanctioned by the employer are by intent inclusive and open to all, and this approval was therefore incorrect, and b) quietly dragging the ringleaders of both groups into a small room and explaining, in no uncertain terms, that should disruptive behavior continue, HR will take whatever steps are needed, up to & including termination of employment, to ensure an inclusive, respectful workplace, don't make me slap the stupid off of both of you.
 
2020-08-11 12:08:53 PM  

mcmnky: Calehedron: mcmnky: Yes, YATA.

Starting a 'meat eaters club' in response to the vegetarian club is up there with starting a 'whites club' in response to the African-American employee club.

Yes, it's EXACTLY like that.

/sounds like you need a Snickers.

I don't think it's exactly that, which is why I did not say it was exactly that.

Point is, OP didn't think "I like eating meat and want to associate with other meat eaters, so I'll start a club." No, he thought "those people like something I don't like and are doing something I don't want to do. They're not harming me or interfering with my life in any way. I need to do something that points out how wrong they are."


So he literally did exactly what the first woman did.  And now it's an issue?
 
2020-08-11 12:37:43 PM  

mcmnky: Calehedron: mcmnky: Yes, YATA.

Starting a 'meat eaters club' in response to the vegetarian club is up there with starting a 'whites club' in response to the African-American employee club.

Yes, it's EXACTLY like that.

/sounds like you need a Snickers.

I don't think it's exactly that, which is why I did not say it was exactly that.

Point is, OP didn't think "I like eating meat and want to associate with other meat eaters, so I'll start a club." No, he thought "those people like something I don't like and are doing something I don't want to do. They're not harming me or interfering with my life in any way. I need to do something that points out how wrong they are."


No, OP thought "these people are purposefully excluding me from their social circle and judging me based on a superficial trait and it pisses me off"

There's a lot of that going on these days. People on almost all sides of almost every issue need to stop being judgemental assholes trying to force their will on others. Conversely most people also need to stop being whinny biatches everytime someone doesn't want to be BFFs.
 
2020-08-11 12:38:12 PM  
Really, after work, everyone else can FOAD, I'm going HOME.
 
2020-08-11 12:58:57 PM  
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2020-08-11 4:50:16 PM  
How can you feel excluded from a club you have no actual interest in being a member of?
 
2020-08-11 9:03:02 PM  

AngryDragon: gar1013: luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......

It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.

That's not discriminatory at all...


Anyone can join the groups...although you appear to be a virtue signaler if you do.
 
2020-08-11 9:05:01 PM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: AngryDragon: gar1013: luna1580: wait, in what sort of business is it normal to form official social clubs approved by HR?

does this "club" meet at work facilities during paid time? if so, why the hell is the business paying for an exclusionary supper club? if not, why don't the people who want to share vegan meals do so outside of work hours, and then not announce these invite-only dinners to the entire business?  -like "friends" might do-

does this sound real to anyone at all? in 2020 i can never tell if people are joking......

It's the cool thing these days.

Normally there will be organizations for women, minorities, or for homosexuals. They're called Employee Resource Groups, and they're literally one of the most idiotic things around.

The best part is that generally the lawyers stamp out any efforts to have anything beyond what I have listed. If you wanted to have one for parents, or for religious affiliation, they will get immediately rejected.

That's not discriminatory at all...

Also not always true. My company's a multinational and has had a Christian fellowship for as long as I've been there. As well as "women, minorities and homosexuals" they're also pretty supportive of hobby groups and very supportive of sports and exercise clubs, we also have vegetarian and vegan groups, no fights so far. 

You don't do that stuff on company time (well not too much), but they can use the office facilities, especially after normal business hours and you can use the company's intranet and yammer to organise.

My company's very good about employee welfare, but they're not that out there for a big company.


That's not typical.

Worked for a huge company once that introduced these groups, and you could hear the panic in the voices of HR types as they tried to lie when asked about types of groups.
 
2020-08-11 9:07:25 PM  

FLMountainMan: The vegan club (LOL) started the whole fiasco by specifically excluding people.  Make both groups drop the exclusionary nonsense and move on.


This.

And then the reddit person should show up to a meeting with so much leather that he looks like the members of Judas Priest are a tribute band to him.
 
2020-08-12 6:32:28 AM  
People have waaaay too much time on their hands
 
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