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2020-08-10 2:41:49 PM  
Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.
 
2020-08-10 2:51:36 PM  
It's gotta be an accident.
 
2020-08-10 3:08:27 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.


And yet this article concerns opening schools and Trump how?
 
2020-08-10 5:20:46 PM  
It's sad that these people are led to believe that there's something wrong with themselves that they can't control. They come away scarred for life.

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2020-08-10 5:21:02 PM  
You know as an aside I bet converting people to be gay is way easier than converting them from being gay.  Other than the whole Kinsey scale born with it thing, I mean.   Niche market but I bet you could open a school.
 
2020-08-10 5:24:06 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: It's sad that these people are led to believe that there's something wrong with themselves that they can't control. They come away scarred for life.

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Being a right-wing nutjob is a choice, I think.
 
2020-08-10 5:30:06 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.


Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.
 
2020-08-10 5:32:44 PM  

nijika: You know as an aside I bet converting people to be gay is way easier than converting them from being gay.  Other than the whole Kinsey scale born with it thing, I mean.   Niche market but I bet you could open a school.


The school exists.  It's called Eton.
 
2020-08-10 5:38:31 PM  

BizarreMan: It's gotta be an accident.


There are gay Tories, it's not like being poor. There are no poor Tories, only temporarily financially inconvenienced ones.
 
2020-08-10 5:44:14 PM  

nijika: You know as an aside I bet converting people to be gay is way easier than converting them from being gay.  Other than the whole Kinsey scale born with it thing, I mean.   Niche market but I bet you could open a school.


Hey, comrade....

Quit letting people know the true purpose of the Big Gay Agenda.
 
2020-08-10 5:48:31 PM  
Blind squirrel, stopped clock, etc, etc
 
2020-08-10 6:05:54 PM  
It's false advertising.  Regardless of *why* a person wants to change, this doesn't work.  You don't have to get into the deeper ethical questions about whether it's right to try and change a person's orientation, even with their consent - conversion therapy doesn't work.
 
2020-08-10 6:07:59 PM  

Jeebus Saves: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.


Trump's unfitness for office is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and cannot be overstated. Yet despite all that, you can't handle any criticism of him. That is just sad.
 
2020-08-10 6:34:04 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Blind squirrel, stopped clock, etc, etc


David Cameron legalised gay marriage when he was PM. When first elected Margaret Thatcher voted to legalise homosexuality, which was still technically illegal back then, late sixties. When PM she legalised homosexuality in Scotland and Northern Ireland, where it had remained a crime. She did also introduce laws against "teaching" homosexuality in schools, which the party has since admitted was wrong.

The Tories in the UK are nothing like the Republicans in the US. British Tories are politically much the same as US Democrats. Both countries have right and left, but the middle is way left in the UK.
 
2020-08-10 6:34:47 PM  
FTA: "While at university, Gareth underwent therapy from a variety of groups over four years. Among those was Core Issues Trust, which says it helps people who have unwanted same-sex attractions."

And why is these same-sex attractions unwanted? Because these poor men and women have been conditioned their entire lives by arseholes that being gay is a perversion.

If you're so concerned for the mental health of gay people, why not run anti-gay conversion therapy for the farking bigots who fark up their poor kids into hating themselves?

Conversion therapies are treating the symptom of the issue not the cause. And the cause of self-hate in gay people is their families and their society who send them messages throughout their entire lives that being gay or queer is somehow shameful.
 
2020-08-10 6:51:41 PM  

nijika: You know as an aside I bet converting people to be gay is way easier than converting them from being gay.  Other than the whole Kinsey scale born with it thing, I mean.   Niche market but I bet you could open a school.


You know, I'm strait as an arrow, but... Well it would open a lot of options if we all turned bi. And middle aged dating is kind of a pain.
 
2020-08-10 7:16:23 PM  
Arleth: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

And yet this article concerns opening schools and Trump how?


Because it's about BoJo, and BoJo doing something right for a change, and Tom Joad's Complete Lack Of Surprise pointed out how BoJo usually acts, which makes this article a surprisingly positive thing for BoJo to say.
 
2020-08-10 7:30:09 PM  

nytmare: Jeebus Saves: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.

Trump's unfitness for office is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and cannot be overstated. Yet despite all that, you can't handle any criticism of him. That is just sad.


On the other hand, every thread is not have to be a trump thread. We are supposed to be ripping on the other idiot across the pond.
 
2020-08-10 7:39:18 PM  
There's a pretty big difference between some stupid shiat you read on the internet an actual research.

The people pushing conversion therapy are trying to prove that it works. actual scientific exploration of conversion therapy is highly suggestive that it is harmful, and provides no tangible benefit.

To the point that the American psychological association has specifically disavowed it.

The evidence against it is pretty compelling. The evidence for it is anecdotes published by the people who advocate it.

https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/n​e​ws-releases/apa-reiterates-strong-oppo​sition-to-conversion-therapy
(Had a pdf link of APA position but it won't link).

You can believe whatever bulshiat you want, but there's no evidence this works or helps anybody, and a lot of evidence that it hurts a lot of people.

/Also not convinced you a real person actually arguing this.
//Very unconvinced that anything will change your ignorant mind
///Still can't help but try...
 
2020-08-10 7:47:38 PM  
Only around 1% of transgender people detransition and it's virtually always related to lack of support or continued harassement. The evidence says that supporting transgender people and allowing them to transition is the right answer. The horror stories you read online where people are "forced" or "tricked" into transition are fake.
 
2020-08-10 10:16:19 PM  

nytmare: Jeebus Saves: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.

Trump's unfitness for office is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and cannot be overstated. Yet despite all that, you can't handle any criticism of him. That is just sad.


Yes because calling out someones TDS in a thread that has nothing to do with trump means I support trump.  Farking idiot.
 
2020-08-10 11:07:12 PM  

Jeebus Saves: nytmare: Jeebus Saves: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.

Trump's unfitness for office is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and cannot be overstated. Yet despite all that, you can't handle any criticism of him. That is just sad.

Yes because calling out someones TDS in a thread that has nothing to do with trump means I support trump.  Farking idiot.


The only TDS I've ever seen is a bunch of sycophants losing their shiat every time anybody points out the constant stream of shiat that is the Trump administration.
 
2020-08-10 11:36:20 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Jeebus Saves: nytmare: Jeebus Saves: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.

Get yourself some help.  TDS is a serious illness.

Trump's unfitness for office is plainly obvious to anyone with half a brain, and cannot be overstated. Yet despite all that, you can't handle any criticism of him. That is just sad.

Yes because calling out someones TDS in a thread that has nothing to do with trump means I support trump.  Farking idiot.

The only TDS I've ever seen is a bunch of sycophants losing their shiat every time anybody points out the constant stream of shiat that is the Trump administration.


Right, because people sick of going into threads about astronomy and horny Playboys models where some asshole mentions trump are the real crazy people.
 
2020-08-11 4:36:06 AM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Yet insists on opening schools just like Trump.


Schools here in Scotland open tomorrow, mostly. We haven't had a COVID-19 death since 16th July, and that's the only one in the past month. How's the US doing?
 
2020-08-11 4:39:33 AM  

orneryredguy: It's false advertising.  Regardless of *why* a person wants to change, this doesn't work.  You don't have to get into the deeper ethical questions about whether it's right to try and change a person's orientation, even with their consent - conversion therapy doesn't work.


Is it ethically acceptable to treat gender dysphoria?
 
2020-08-11 8:06:11 AM  

orbister: orneryredguy: It's false advertising.  Regardless of *why* a person wants to change, this doesn't work.  You don't have to get into the deeper ethical questions about whether it's right to try and change a person's orientation, even with their consent - conversion therapy doesn't work.

Is it ethically acceptable to treat gender dysphoria?


You're changing the subject.
 
2020-08-11 8:27:07 AM  

orneryredguy: orbister: orneryredguy: It's false advertising.  Regardless of *why* a person wants to change, this doesn't work.  You don't have to get into the deeper ethical questions about whether it's right to try and change a person's orientation, even with their consent - conversion therapy doesn't work.

Is it ethically acceptable to treat gender dysphoria?

You're changing the subject.


Not really. It's all aspects of identity. If someone wants to change their sexuality, why shouldn't they? The idea that it's fixed is purely political and not supported by the evidence.
 
2020-08-11 8:43:35 AM  

orbister: orneryredguy: orbister: orneryredguy: It's false advertising.  Regardless of *why* a person wants to change, this doesn't work.  You don't have to get into the deeper ethical questions about whether it's right to try and change a person's orientation, even with their consent - conversion therapy doesn't work.

Is it ethically acceptable to treat gender dysphoria?

You're changing the subject.

Not really. It's all aspects of identity. If someone wants to change their sexuality, why shouldn't they? The idea that it's fixed is purely political and not supported by the evidence.


The better option would be cure homophobes who make bad faith arguments comparing gender and sexual orientation.
 
2020-08-11 10:03:02 AM  

Voiceofreason01: orbister: Not really. It's all aspects of identity. If someone wants to change their sexuality, why shouldn't they? The idea that it's fixed is purely political and not supported by the evidence.

The better option would be cure homophobes who make bad faith arguments comparing gender and sexual orientation.


If they weren't comparable there would be no "T" in "LGBT+", would there?

I recognize that many of these "conversion therapies" arise from homophobia, but I am very reluctant to limit by law what sources of distress people can seek help for. If a man at, say, 2 on the Kinsey Scale is happily married to a woman but troubled by occasional feelings of attraction towards other men, I think he should be allowed to seek whatever help he wants. If that leads him to accept those attractions, fine. If it leads to a reduction in them, fine too - as long as he is happy with the outcome and the methods.

Similarly, someone experiencing gender dysmorphia should be free to choose therapy which leads either to transition or to feeling happier with their gender matching their sex.
 
2020-08-11 11:44:09 AM  

orbister: Voiceofreason01: orbister: Not really. It's all aspects of identity. If someone wants to change their sexuality, why shouldn't they? The idea that it's fixed is purely political and not supported by the evidence.

The better option would be cure homophobes who make bad faith arguments comparing gender and sexual orientation.

If they weren't comparable there would be no "T" in "LGBT+", would there?

I recognize that many of these "conversion therapies" arise from homophobia, but I am very reluctant to limit by law what sources of distress people can seek help for. If a man at, say, 2 on the Kinsey Scale is happily married to a woman but troubled by occasional feelings of attraction towards other men, I think he should be allowed to seek whatever help he wants. If that leads him to accept those attractions, fine. If it leads to a reduction in them, fine too - as long as he is happy with the outcome and the methods.

Similarly, someone experiencing gender dysmorphia should be free to choose therapy which leads either to transition or to feeling happier with their gender matching their sex.


Nobody is stopping you from going to a qualified and licensed therapist to discuss whatever issues you want. Conversion therapy is being banned because the evidence shows that it's harmful and ineffective. Nobody is fooled by your phoney "concern".
 
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