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2020-08-10 9:38:06 AM  
He can finally read his bumper stickers.
 
2020-08-10 9:40:43 AM  
People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.
 
2020-08-10 10:09:07 AM  
That's assuming it'd stay running long enough to hit 40 MPH first.
 
2020-08-10 10:24:11 AM  
Well, this has me leaning toward a new Bronco.
 
2020-08-10 10:26:51 AM  
Nobody buys a Wrangler for safety or for comfort.  They're fun vehicles to take off road and bounce around in.  I happen to live in a part of the country where there are tons of beautiful mountain trails to drive on and enjoy and a lot of people do that.

A wrangler is more of a raw vehicle experience and there are people who enjoy that.
 
2020-08-10 10:26:58 AM  

Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.


Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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2020-08-10 10:32:26 AM  
I would buy an early 90's model Jeep or earlier for a weekend vehicle... The thing has been a f*cking piece of sh*t for about 30 years now.

Yes, if you mod it out and go nuts with it, you have something decent. Conversely, if you strip it down and just use if for off-road, you'll be good.

But, I do not get the love for this thing at all as a daily driver. Not one bit.
 
2020-08-10 10:33:33 AM  

UberDave: Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.

Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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If they still have the issue with the sway-bar disconnect stopping working, this worked for me:

Take the connector off.
slightly tweak the pins to force harder contact.
Pack it with dielectric grease
Put it back together.

It has worked for 6 years without fail since I did that.  Now if only I could get the steering wheel cruise control controls to work the same way.  I take it apart, put it back together, and it works...for a few hundred miles.
 
2020-08-10 10:43:25 AM  
Well i just had to replace the original alternator on my 97 wrangler. What a total POS.
 
2020-08-10 10:43:41 AM  

Explodo: UberDave: Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.

Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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If they still have the issue with the sway-bar disconnect stopping working, this worked for me:

Take the connector off.
slightly tweak the pins to force harder contact.
Pack it with dielectric grease
Put it back together.

It has worked for 6 years without fail since I did that.  Now if only I could get the steering wheel cruise control controls to work the same way.  I take it apart, put it back together, and it works...for a few hundred miles.


Crap, I forgot about those.  I've said "fark it" on my sway bar.  Every time I'm in a place I would use it, I'm 1000 miles from home.  I'm going to have to look into that one.

I've noticed the cruise screws up with wind and hills.  I'm betting that was purposeful on Chrysler's part.

The parking brake problem can be fixed by hosing it (the mechanism) with brake/carb clean and then pumping it a few times.
 
2020-08-10 11:09:45 AM  
Just tip 'er back over and keep going
 
2020-08-10 11:17:41 AM  
Meh. Im good till 2006. When they switched over to the JK they lost a whole lot of the "Jeep" aspect.

Someday I might have to look into an LJ.
 
2020-08-10 11:24:50 AM  

UberDave: Explodo: UberDave: Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.

Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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If they still have the issue with the sway-bar disconnect stopping working, this worked for me:

Take the connector off.
slightly tweak the pins to force harder contact.
Pack it with dielectric grease
Put it back together.

It has worked for 6 years without fail since I did that.  Now if only I could get the steering wheel cruise control controls to work the same way.  I take it apart, put it back together, and it works...for a few hundred miles.

Crap, I forgot about those.  I've said "fark it" on my sway bar.  Every time I'm in a place I would use it, I'm 1000 miles from home.  I'm going to have to look into that one.

I've noticed the cruise screws up with wind and hills.  I'm betting that was purposeful on Chrysler's part.

The parking brake problem can be fixed by hosing it (the mechanism) with brake/carb clean and then pumping it a few times.


This is the kind of stuff that makes people say jeeps are shiatty vehicles. That sounds like the things I have to do to my jeep, but it's a 40yo toy. I certainly wouldn't put up with it on anything new. Bare bones is one thing, I had a Dakota that could best be described that way, but it was always reliable.
 
2020-08-10 11:49:42 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: Explodo: UberDave: Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.

Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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If they still have the issue with the sway-bar disconnect stopping working, this worked for me:

Take the connector off.
slightly tweak the pins to force harder contact.
Pack it with dielectric grease
Put it back together.

It has worked for 6 years without fail since I did that.  Now if only I could get the steering wheel cruise control controls to work the same way.  I take it apart, put it back together, and it works...for a few hundred miles.

Crap, I forgot about those.  I've said "fark it" on my sway bar.  Every time I' ...


I've abused my Wrangler since I bought it.  It was out on trails within a month of new purchase.  It's an '11 and the engine isn't powerful, but it's adequate and has never once given me trouble.  There aren't a lot of vehicles you can buy and then bash on rocks and through streams and over miles of very rough surfaces without some problems arising over time.

I actually planned on keeping it forever and eventually swapping in a 5.7...but now Jeep is teasing a 6.4 hemi Wrangler.  I think a 6.4 hemi is excessive.  I'd be happy with a destroked 5.0 hemi.  I could do everything I want (35's, long-arm, bumpers, engine, transmission) for $20k...or just buy a new one that's got a warranty...  I bet they make the 6.4 Wrangler VERY expensive to keep sales numbers down to not kill their CAFE because that will be one in-demand vehicle.
 
2020-08-10 11:50:02 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: Explodo: UberDave: (snip) This is the kind of stuff that makes people say jeeps are shiatty vehicles. That sounds like the things I have to do to my jeep, but it's a 40yo toy. I certainly wouldn't put up with it on anything new. Bare bones is one thing, I had a Dakota that could best be described that way, but it was always reliable.


I've paid for regular tune ups and so on.  Rubicons are the only ones with a swaybar disconnect and you only use it on really messy terrain.  The rocker thing *did* piss me off, even more so considering Chrysler didn't cover it and it was definitely *their* problem.  It's basically that the bearing hole in a rocker wears out.  So you end up paying for a 2-hour engine tear down to get to a <$10 part that is replaced in minutes.  They put out a maintenance release so it is definitely a warranty item but if you are outside that warranty, you need to pay.

I bought mine to get me to work and allow me to go places the vast majority of vehicles on the road cannot go - and it does that really, really well.  The gears (standard transmission) are supposedly made by Mercedes and they are rock-solid.  I've never driven a manual that "feels" better. Everything that performs on that vehicle performs really well and there are so many practical and functional features.  It's just those *little* things that are giving it negatives.  If Chrysler would just cover them outside or warranty, it would help immensely.
 
2020-08-10 12:02:23 PM  
I actually planned on keeping it forever and eventually swapping in a 5.7...but now Jeep is teasing a 6.4 hemi Wrangler.  I think a 6.4 hemi is excessive.  I'd be happy with a destroked 5.0 hemi.  I could do everything I want (35's, long-arm, bumpers, engine, transmission) for $20k...or just buy a new one that's got a warranty...  I bet they make the 6.4 Wrangler VERY expensive to keep sales numbers down to not kill their CAFE because that will be one in-demand vehicle.

I bet they also make the 6.4 with only an automatic transmission, which will 100% prevent me from buying it.

If they put in the TR-6060 manual transmission...I'll have a hard time not buying one.
 
2020-08-10 12:06:47 PM  
Yes my views of jeeps are skewed. I had a 77 Toyota Land Cruiser

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Wish I had never sold it
 
2020-08-10 12:25:23 PM  

Explodo: Nobody buys a Wrangler for safety or for comfort.  They're fun vehicles to take off road and bounce around in.  I happen to live in a part of the country where there are tons of beautiful mountain trails to drive on and enjoy and a lot of people do that.

A wrangler is more of a raw vehicle experience and there are people who enjoy that.


And like most "rugged SUVs" I'd wager the vast majority of them don't see anything worse than an inch of snow, maybe kiss a curb every now and then.

They're mid life crisis-mobiles that are easier to sell to the wife than a Harley and that "so ugly it's cute" car that the upper middle class parents buy their daughter when she's off to college.
 
2020-08-10 12:26:16 PM  
It's a feature. Did you see how it rolled the Jeep away from the crash site?


Actually, the roll did decrease the damage taken on that side quite a bit. But you still don't want to end up sliding on your side into trees or other traffic.
 
2020-08-10 12:32:44 PM  
nsfw

Jeep Owners
Youtube ufxVcB1ZKaM


/Big titty tires.
 
2020-08-10 12:33:01 PM  
Wranglers roll-over? Who would've thought.

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2020-08-10 12:38:39 PM  
So, same as every Jeep?
 
2020-08-10 12:46:47 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Well, this has me leaning toward a new Bronco.


Ha!

That made me chuckle.
 
2020-08-10 12:46:58 PM  
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2020-08-10 1:46:23 PM  
I got T-Boned and rolled in a TJ a couple years ago. Walked*** away without a scratch. Took 2 months and dredging pretty much the entire east coast to find a suitable replacement vehicle (same make/model/year TJ)... I'd still rather be in it than most everything else on the road, and no other vehicle has as consistently put a smile on my face when I get in it.

***climbed; out the new passenger door sunroof.
 
2020-08-10 1:52:11 PM  

OldJames: Just tip 'er back over and keep going


that's why you carry a hi-lift jack
 
2020-08-10 2:05:53 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Well, this has me leaning toward a new Bronco.


Seriously. Fords are the only American cars I'd even think about buying. They learn from their mistakes and fix the problems that they find, working toward high quality designs that they keep for a long time. I'd also consider Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, and Subarus, for the same reason.

With other manufacturers, they either cut too many corners, and just make cheap junk, or when something stops selling well because they screwed something up, instead of fixing it they often scrap the whole design and start over from scratch, with a new design, with different engineering mistakes.
 
2020-08-10 2:10:18 PM  

LoneVVolf: no other vehicle has as consistently put a smile on my face when I get in it.

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2020-08-10 2:18:13 PM  
I was actually in something similar to that in my TJ nearly 8 years ago.   had to go off my usual route due to a train.  Came across a sidestreet where an overgrown tree blocked all the view.  Looked through it as best I could so see what looked like an empty concrete street.  It also had a champagne colored Ram 1500.

Crossed the street which looked clear.  Partially across it, a brand new that week sign facing the other way reflected the early morning sun in my eyes, and then BOOM.   I spun the Ram sideways and ended up on the sidewalk.

Had to replace a fender and bumper as well as a hood strap.  Used a bungee to hold the hood down until parts came in.

I've gone through 2 car payments in repair parts (labor mostly myself)  since buying new in 2006.  The only bad paint is where a shop replaced the bent fender.

Half doors  and Sunrider top FTW.   Don't know if they've ever come back on Jeeps.   I can touch the left rear wheel from the driver's seat.   Don't see letting this one go for years to come.  Having allowed me to get the first boat, the Harley, and then the 2nd boat in money I've saved.

Does it go off road?  I live in NOLA, it hasn't been on road yet.   It stays on the street during floods with no worries.  It goes through the water when it has too, and if you go to a low gear and just let it pull itself through the water doesn't leave a wake (unlike the SUV's and PU's)
 
2020-08-10 3:02:36 PM  

snowjack: JolobinSmokin: Well, this has me leaning toward a new Bronco.

Seriously. Fords are the only American cars I'd even think about buying. They learn from their mistakes and fix the problems that they find, working toward high quality designs that they keep for a long time. I'd also consider Toyotas, Hondas, Mazdas, and Subarus, for the same reason.

With other manufacturers, they either cut too many corners, and just make cheap junk, or when something stops selling well because they screwed something up, instead of fixing it they often scrap the whole design and start over from scratch, with a new design, with different engineering mistakes.


If rollover concerns are what stop you from buying a vehicle, you're probably not going off-road anyway, so it's not the car for you.
 
2020-08-10 4:44:26 PM  

UberDave: Circusdog320: People buy Jeeps because it says Jeep on the panel in shiny silver letters. Consistently bad reviews and shoddy manufacturing don't come into play apparently when grabbing the Jeep dream.

Granted a lot of Wrangler owners never leave pavement and that includes those who put thousands of dollars of off-road accessories all over their lifted monstrosity.  But there are *few* vehicles that I can purchase stock that will get me to the first "Jaws" obstacle (and past it if I were more adventurous) on the Lake Como/Blanca Peak road.  And there is no other vehicle that has as many after market parts for every obscure area of the vehicle save the drive train.  The *only* goddamn part I can't find for that thing are those little nets that go on the door (of all things).

Most people who drive one off the pavement knows how easy you can roll them.  And Chrysler mostly farks up little things - it's still a pain in the ass (don't get me wrong).  Electric locker sensors, valve rockers, lose plug cables, parking break mechanism, anti-lock brake sensor (vs. farking sand), steering linkage (comes lose over time)....  Those are things off the top of my head that Chrysler has released maintenance notices on (but will not recall) that I've had to deal with...and some of them impact the Ram as well.  Still, the Wrangler is a bad-ass vehicle that can carry you through some crazy shiat with ease.

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Don't blame Chrysler for all of that.
Fiat had a hand it it as well

07 Wrangler. Loads of fun, but the engineers who designed it should be shot.
Stick shift and soft top makes it all worthwhile, though.
 
2020-08-10 4:47:08 PM  
Fiat Chrysler engineers:
How the *hell* do you f*ck up a seat belt latch?
 
2020-08-10 7:21:32 PM  
I was new car shopping and the salesman started off with a safety spiel. I put a stop to it by saying "my other car is a CJ5. I don't care about safety."
 
2020-08-10 8:04:19 PM  
You wouldn't understand. It's a Jeep Thing.
 
2020-08-10 8:17:11 PM  

UberDave: Jaws


*gulp*

Off Roading Mount Blanca/Rock Crawling Blanca Peak & Lake Como Road Part 1 (2018)
Youtube cW1-_CwowBk
 
2020-08-11 2:10:01 PM  
This must be a Jeep thing I wouldn't understand
 
2020-08-11 2:13:11 PM  
If it were a super safe vehicle would it be fun to drive??? no!!!  Same thing with putting seat belts on motor cycles!!  Sure you're safer...But you look foolish with a 6 point restraint on a motor cycle.

Jeeps are for offroading.  Thereby not a realistic test.  Drop it down a mountain and I bet it is fine.
 
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