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(The Bulwark)   Forget it Jake, fusionist conservatism is in ashes and its already burned down   (thebulwark.com) divider line
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2020-08-10 10:16:08 AM  
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2020-08-10 12:22:53 PM  
Here, let me help put that fire out. G-A-S-O-L-I-N-E is how you spell H20, right?
 
2020-08-10 12:52:18 PM  
I've got some matches

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2020-08-10 1:26:15 PM  
and nothing of value was lost
 
2020-08-10 2:35:34 PM  

sozelle: I've got some matches

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I've got a match for you... My face and your butt!

...wait
 
2020-08-10 2:36:14 PM  
"Fusionist Conservatism" sounds like some sort of overly hip restaurant that actually just serves Chinese food.
 
2020-08-10 2:37:37 PM  
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2020-08-10 2:38:16 PM  

Geotpf: "Fusionist Conservatism" sounds like some sort of overly hip restaurant that actually just serves Chinese food.


borscht - that's borscht.
 
2020-08-10 2:38:44 PM  
This needs to be done as a retrospective.

Let's not let up on the retribution before it even happens.

This rot needs to be cut out, root and stem.
 
2020-08-10 2:39:48 PM  

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The Trammps - Disco Inferno
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2020-08-10 2:40:34 PM  
95 percent of Republican representatives voted with the president upwards of 90 percent of the time.  After they saw the unlimited lies, conspiracy theories, Nazi love, disabled-mocking, serial adultery, Russia enabled, lawbreaking, grifting, nepotism, narcissism, and general chicanery.  There's your answer.
 
2020-08-10 2:44:40 PM  

Subtonic: sozelle: I've got some matches

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I've got a match for you... My face and your butt!

...wait


HuminaHuminaHumina!
 
2020-08-10 2:45:43 PM  
If only they were that self-aware.

Would have saved us like 40 years of fark-ups.
 
2020-08-10 2:46:06 PM  
Your blog sucks.
 
2020-08-10 2:46:32 PM  
Lot of wishful thinking there.
 
2020-08-10 2:46:32 PM  
"the only thing that will send a message to the Republican party commensurate with its moral abdication over the past four years is to lose in a landslide. Not just Trump, but his silent enablers too."

Over the past FOUR years?

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2020-08-10 2:47:42 PM  
The only problem is that it's burning the rest of us with it.  Hopefully, someone will rake the forest.
 
2020-08-10 2:48:11 PM  
Could we draw together the group often referred to contemptuously by the far left as "neoliberals"-old-fashioned liberals who still believe in free speech and are willing to grasp that the free market has some significant value-and the "classical liberals" currently despised on the right by the rising nationalist faction?

All those pwetty words by the lamprey trying to find a new host.

No. Does no work for you?
 
2020-08-10 2:48:58 PM  
The only proper way to NeverTrump again is to bury the current version of "Republicansim" with him. If dissolving the Republican party is the only way, then go for it.
 
2020-08-10 2:48:59 PM  
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2020-08-10 2:49:22 PM  
We saw it all "burn down" in 2008 after 8 years of debt, endless war, and an unrivalled economic disaster in modern history. And the Republicans crawled right back out of their lairs in 2010 and came back stronger than ever before, dominating state, local, and congressional elections for the next decade.

I'm not writing them off ever again. These freaks may find themselves down once a decade, but they're never out.
 
2020-08-10 2:51:33 PM  

I'm an Egyptian!: Here, let me help put that fire out. G-A-S-O-L-I-N-E is how you spell H20, right?


Both gasoline and H2O are not efficient enough. I would split the H2O into H and O and just attach a pipeline of that shiat right into it.
 
2020-08-10 2:54:56 PM  
It's a good article, but it operates under the assumption that fascism won't win. Some days I feel very confident, but you gotta remember there's a lot of stupid motherf*ckers in this country.
 
2020-08-10 2:55:29 PM  

Geotpf: "Fusionist Conservatism" sounds like some sort of overly hip restaurant that actually just serves Chinese food.


No, it's the name of my barber shop/polka mash-up Ted Nungent cover band.
 
2020-08-10 2:56:14 PM  
I thought it was an interesting article in the questions it raised, but I don't think I agree with any of his hypothetical conclusions.

What's the general political bent of this particular newsrag?
 
2020-08-10 2:59:11 PM  

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No period suggests it could be an incomplete sentence.

Perhaps it meant to continue: ...fusionist conservatism is in ashes and its already burned down promoter, the Republican Party, will never recover.

Will we never know%
 
2020-08-10 3:00:22 PM  
Conservatives have never loved freedom you farking dullard.
 
2020-08-10 3:05:35 PM  

SavageWombat: I thought it was an interesting article in the questions it raised, but I don't think I agree with any of his hypothetical conclusions.

What's the general political bent of this particular newsrag?


This.

The evangelical and libertarian bedfellows are overdue for a reckoning. There's been a lot of go-for-broke attempts at running the table and when it comes crashing down, they're going to turn on each other. Not that they wouldn't have eventually turned on each other once their common liberal enemies were defeated in a hypothetical theocratic dictatorship, but this may just hasten the inevitable. And good riddance.
 
2020-08-10 3:11:15 PM  

Pharmdawg: 95 percent of Republican representatives voted with the president upwards of 90 percent of the time.  After they saw the unlimited lies, conspiracy theories, Nazi love, disabled-mocking, serial adultery, Russia enabled, lawbreaking, grifting, nepotism, narcissism, and general chicanery.  There's your answer.


But on the other hand, there's mocking veterans and gold star parents.  Oh wait.  That makes it worse, doesn't it?
 
2020-08-10 3:20:04 PM  

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This band plays its songs loudly!!!
 
2020-08-10 3:33:22 PM  
It has been burnt down. Rules don't apply, historic precedence doesn't matter.

That's why this election is so important. Who's house are we going to build over the ashes?
 
2020-08-10 3:56:51 PM  
UGH. Why is it every time Cons look over how they F*ed up, the excuse is that some division "came under the evil seduction of Liberalism" and not simply that they just F*ED UP???

Yes, "Classical Liberalism" is what the Founding Fathers wanted, but that's been irrelevant since James Monroe left office.  Also "Classic Conservatives" are the TORIES - the Pro King's Rights side.  They've always been wanting to slow down progress or at least mold it to the powers that be.

The Reagan Goldwater Conservatism of "Limited Government" was just a sales pitch. It was a reaction to the progress in the first half of the 20th Century where both Roosevelts made government work for the People and lead to the most prosperous nation in History. And they had to convince the average rube that this was somehow BAD.

And the key to this has always rested in the Southern Strategy, to use Racism to divide working Class Whites and Blacks.  Hence the "Welfare Queen." "Government Overspending" is a dog whistle for "Money wasted on THEM." While they openly promote the cognitive dissonance of "Keep your Government out of my Medicare."  Spending on ME = GOOD.  Spending money on THEM = BAD.

Conservatism has always been the Politics of the COMFORTABLE and Working Class Whites are ANYTHING BUT. Trump saw this and gobbled up Reagan Goldwater Conservatism WHOLE.  IT AIN'T COMING BACK. No pledges of "Ideological Purity" is going to appeal to Cletus.

Trump replaced Dog Whistles with Open Racism. An open invitation to SCREW everyone not in the Con Club. Trump just appealed to them DIRECTLY not subtly like Nixon or Reagan.  Your treasured "Limited Government" and "Economic Freedom" were ideas that only appealed to Conservative Elites.
 
2020-08-10 3:58:03 PM  
It seems to me that the economic aims of the rich and corporations have been the main concern of both parties in terms of functional governance for most of my life. Their platforms and rhetoric are wildly different, but they agreed on letting the rich own everything, and so that became the reality of government.

Environmentalists got thrown under the bus by Democrats after Gore lost in particular, and religious conservatives have always been useful idiots to the right wing.

I think the "center party" the article suggests would come out of the fall of the right to outright fascists and the left to democratic socialists is a party of corporate management. It's the white collar, prep school, high earning, "don't raise my taxes" party. And though those people have a LOT of power (in proportion to their money), they are badly outnumbered by the masses in both parties. Up until recently, I think the masses in both cases were happy to allow tinkering on the edges as long as things were comfortable... But it's gotten very, very uncomfortable since 2008 for anyone not in the new nobility - the 10% of elites that control everything and own everything.

The economic rationale for the rule of the elites has died. I don't think there IS an ideological "center", there is a group that wants to maintain the privileges of the management (and now tech) elite. They don't have an ideology outside of money. They don't care about George Floyd, they don't care about a "Christian country". They want social stability and to keep all their money.
 
2020-08-10 4:00:58 PM  
The old coalition was the product of conservative "fusionism," which tried to draw together the religious right, free marketers, and anti-communist foreign policy hawks-all of them held together, particularly in later years, by a kind of cultural populism

What could go wrong?
 
2020-08-10 4:08:14 PM  

SavageWombat: What's the general political bent of this particular newsrag?



The Bulwark was founded by Bill Kristol. Most of its staff came over from the Weekly Standard, which was also a Bill Kristol entity.

So like any Neo-Conservative author, this one wants the center left & center right to shake hands and get back to doing the thing that both love doing most: bombing brown people.
 
2020-08-10 4:10:47 PM  
To what extent should Trump's failures be taken out on the rest of the Republican party?

To the extent that they enabled his criminal actions and violations of the Constitution, subverting democracy in America from day 1.
 
2020-08-10 4:40:17 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: SavageWombat: What's the general political bent of this particular newsrag?


The Bulwark was founded by Bill Kristol. Most of its staff came over from the Weekly Standard, which was also a Bill Kristol entity.

So like any Neo-Conservative author, this one wants the center left & center right to shake hands and get back to doing the thing that both love doing most: bombing brown people.


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2020-08-10 4:47:36 PM  

Geotpf: "Fusionist Conservatism" sounds like some sort of overly hip restaurant that actually just serves Chinese food.


No, that Confucian Servitism.
 
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