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(NBC News)   Godzilla was whitewashed by Hollywood to completely distort its true meaning. Wait, shouldn't that be "greenwashed"?   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2020-08-10 5:15:13 AM  
25 votes:
Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?
 
2020-08-09 11:12:28 PM  
13 votes:
History shows again and again how nature points out the follies of man.
 
2020-08-10 8:44:57 AM  
12 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?


The Japanese killed more people in Nanking than died in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
2020-08-10 3:55:03 AM  
12 votes:
The author forgot to mention that the Japanese had the "Oxygen Destroyer" and were not completely helpless and it showed them fighting off Godzilla with jet planes and tanks as if they weren't totally defeated. In the end the scientist that developed the weapon died with it on purpose so that it couldn't be used again. Lots of symbolism in the movie.
 
2020-08-10 8:54:29 AM  
10 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?


Not really, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes​e​_war_crimes
 
2020-08-10 8:55:46 AM  
7 votes:

Boojum2k: Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?

The Japanese killed more people in Nanking than died in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


And they did it on a personal level.  Individual soldiers murdering and raping.
 
2020-08-10 6:57:13 AM  
6 votes:
Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.
 
2020-08-10 5:36:31 AM  
5 votes:

stoli n coke: Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?


Yes. Along with comments like these, trying to impart a sense of casual superiority.
 
2020-08-10 9:38:58 AM  
4 votes:

skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.


Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.
 
2020-08-10 9:17:43 AM  
4 votes:
Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.
 
2020-08-10 5:28:41 AM  
4 votes:
You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0
 
2020-08-10 12:34:01 PM  
3 votes:
And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).
 
2020-08-10 10:44:42 AM  
3 votes:
Would like a word:
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2020-08-10 10:05:34 AM  
3 votes:
That's not what "whitewashing" means.
 
2020-08-10 9:55:36 AM  
3 votes:

dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.


15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.
 
2020-08-10 9:48:29 AM  
3 votes:

realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.


It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.
 
2020-08-10 9:44:50 AM  
3 votes:
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There was the time Godzilla became a walking , ticking, nuclear bomb in 1995.


Godzilla has been a cautionary tale of Genetics, a social commentary, and environmental protector, an argument about real life vs artificial life, a commentary on US/Japanese relations, and a buffoonish superhero. 29 Japanese films...so there is room for whatever you want him to be.
 
2020-08-10 9:31:43 AM  
3 votes:
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Godzilla can be what ever you like..lol
 
2020-08-10 7:07:36 AM  
3 votes:

FarkingChas: dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...


Fark skews heavily to Gen X.   Few kids around here.
 
2020-08-10 8:12:48 PM  
2 votes:

cocozilla: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).

Its still the best of the series


Thirded.
 
2020-08-10 12:25:23 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.


Starting with an ad hominem attack. Good move. The  question isn't is it better than such utter trash as megalon.. The point is that given a 130 million dollar budget, and over two years production time, they came up with a film which had a really bad script, really bad performances, utterly lackluster monster, that failed in every respect of good filmmaking. it was critically reviled and remains so. If you like it, good, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. There's not a single original bone in its entire irradiated iguana body.
 
2020-08-10 12:02:28 PM  
2 votes:

cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.


"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.
 
2020-08-10 11:28:10 AM  
2 votes:
In the year after the bombings, Japanese scientists did a lot of data collection on the effects and aftereffects of the bomb. Nobody else had ever done this because, duh, no one had ever dropped a nuke on a city before.

Naturally, the occupying American forces suppressed and censored all of it.
 
2020-08-10 10:15:30 AM  
2 votes:

DecemberNitro: That's not what "whitewashing" means.


Whitewashing has multiple meanings that depend on the context.
 
2020-08-10 7:10:12 AM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: FarkingChas: dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...

Fark skews heavily to Gen X.   Few kids around here.


So? The article is not on Fark. We's just talking about it. The article may be seen by the brats.
 
2020-08-10 7:06:49 AM  
2 votes:

Thrakkorzog: The author forgot to mention that the Japanese had the "Oxygen Destroyer" and were not completely helpless and it showed them fighting off Godzilla with jet planes and tanks as if they weren't totally defeated. In the end the scientist that developed the weapon died with it on purpose so that it couldn't be used again. Lots of symbolism in the movie.


It also marked the last time Godzilla was truly mortal, in that he was killed by the action of humans, until the 1998 US version, which honestly is much better than it gets credit for being.  If it had been titled "The Lizard That Ate New York" or something like that it would have been received a lot better.
 
2020-08-09 11:58:24 PM  
2 votes:
if they wanted to put across a Serious Message in their Serious Film maybe they should've actually tried to hide that the Big Metaphor was a guy in a stupid rubber suit knocking down toy sets.
 
2020-08-11 1:28:13 PM  
1 vote:
That is why I watch the Japanese version with subs only. When compared to the version with Raymond Burr white-horned in unnecessarily, the differences are obvious. In the Japanese version references to the bomb were very obvious, even down to the monster's "Atomic Breath" and what it did to the setpieces, matching film of american nuclear tests take in the 1940s and 1950s exactly.

In the 'murican version a lot of the Atomic Breath sequences and other stuff was cut so that the white guy can explain what is supposed to be going on, and it sucked... but for the longest time (I first saw it as a kid in the early 70s) this version is all we had. Didn't know any better until years later when I got to see the original on DVD.
 
2020-08-11 8:35:35 AM  
1 vote:

Jim_Callahan: In the original the process of finally killing Godzilla actually makes things worse, potentially dooming the entire country to slow death by starvation.


No it doesn't.

Dr. Serizawa, who is the only one who knows how to make an oxygen destroyer, stays down effectively committing suicide so that the information about how to make one dies with him.

It may temporarily wipe out fish in the immediate area of where it's employed, but there is no implication that the effects are permanent or long lasting.    And even if that were true that it was permanent or long lasting, Japan's survival as a country didn't depend on fishing in that part of Tokyo Bay.
 
2020-08-11 8:29:05 AM  
1 vote:

Nurglitch: What's that rule about Fark not being someone's personal erotica site? Of late one finds it being more observed in its violation than in its preservation.


I see no such rule like that.

https://www.fark.com/farq/posting/#Po​s​ting_Rules_-_The_Basics
 
2020-08-10 8:07:56 PM  
1 vote:

cocozilla: dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.

Starting with an ad hominem attack. Good move. The  question isn't is it better than such utter trash as megalon.. The point is that given a 130 million dollar budget, and over two years production time, they came up with a film which had a really bad script, really bad performances, utterly lackluster monster, that failed in every respect of good filmmaking. it was critically reviled and remains so. If you like it, good, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. There's not a single original bone in its entire irradiated iguana body.


I ended with an adult hominem attack.  I didn't start with it.
 
2020-08-10 2:24:15 PM  
1 vote:
The ending, while bittersweet, is a hopeful one in which humanity triumphs over evil.

... look, the argument about the original having a different ending is completely true, but it would be more convincing if you had literally anyone involved in writing your article actually watch the original movie instead of learning about it through a game of telephone.

In the original the process of finally killing Godzilla actually makes things worse, potentially dooming the entire country to slow death by starvation.  The scientists have to invent a potentially even more devastating weapon than the nukes that created him, there is no "sweet" in that bitter.  The fact that they literally state the moral of the story in explicit words at the end and it's "we're all farked if atomic testing doesn't stop" shoulda clued y'all in.

DecemberNitro: That's not what "whitewashing" means.


They also did the other thing, too, though.  They literally cut a white lead actor into a movie with no white actors and did a dub-over that wasn't really a translation, strictly speaking, to whiten up the message and dialogue.

American Godzilla is an "adaptation" in the sense that Power Rangers is an adaptation of Super Sentai.
 
2020-08-10 1:11:04 PM  
1 vote:

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).


Its still the best of the series
 
2020-08-10 10:54:55 AM  
1 vote:
And for the Post-Atomic Age:
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2020-08-10 10:37:37 AM  
1 vote:
While I love the American version and its successors, I highly recommend seeing the original as it is quite artful.  I even saw it at hoity-toity Film Forum with a buncha film neckbeards.  I loved it.

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy having some beer and popcorn and watching Destroy All Monsters too, though.
 
2020-08-10 8:23:55 AM  
1 vote:

BafflerMeal: stoli n coke: Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?

Yes. Along with comments like these, trying to impart a sense of casual superiority.


Hey, there's nothing casual about our superiority here!
 
2020-08-10 7:25:17 AM  
1 vote:
Godzilla trivia:  If you ever need to warn the Japanese of an impending attack via Morse code, this is how you send "Gojira" in Japanese Morse:

---- ..   --.-. ..   ...
GO         JI       RA


/Don't send ..-..  ...   ..-..  ...   ..-..  ...
//Bad things happened last time it was sent.
 
2020-08-10 6:09:15 AM  
1 vote:

moos: History shows again and again how nature points out the follies of man.


Up the folly...
 
2020-08-10 6:05:23 AM  
1 vote:

FarkingChas: You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0


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