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(NBC News)   Godzilla was whitewashed by Hollywood to completely distort its true meaning. Wait, shouldn't that be "greenwashed"?   (nbcnews.com) divider line
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2020-08-10 1:11:04 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).


Its still the best of the series
 
2020-08-10 2:24:15 PM  
The ending, while bittersweet, is a hopeful one in which humanity triumphs over evil.

... look, the argument about the original having a different ending is completely true, but it would be more convincing if you had literally anyone involved in writing your article actually watch the original movie instead of learning about it through a game of telephone.

In the original the process of finally killing Godzilla actually makes things worse, potentially dooming the entire country to slow death by starvation.  The scientists have to invent a potentially even more devastating weapon than the nukes that created him, there is no "sweet" in that bitter.  The fact that they literally state the moral of the story in explicit words at the end and it's "we're all farked if atomic testing doesn't stop" shoulda clued y'all in.

DecemberNitro: That's not what "whitewashing" means.


They also did the other thing, too, though.  They literally cut a white lead actor into a movie with no white actors and did a dub-over that wasn't really a translation, strictly speaking, to whiten up the message and dialogue.

American Godzilla is an "adaptation" in the sense that Power Rangers is an adaptation of Super Sentai.
 
2020-08-10 8:07:56 PM  

cocozilla: dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.

Starting with an ad hominem attack. Good move. The  question isn't is it better than such utter trash as megalon.. The point is that given a 130 million dollar budget, and over two years production time, they came up with a film which had a really bad script, really bad performances, utterly lackluster monster, that failed in every respect of good filmmaking. it was critically reviled and remains so. If you like it, good, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. There's not a single original bone in its entire irradiated iguana body.


I ended with an adult hominem attack.  I didn't start with it.
 
2020-08-10 8:12:48 PM  

cocozilla: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).

Its still the best of the series


Thirded.
 
2020-08-10 8:13:40 PM  

dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.

Starting with an ad hominem attack. Good move. The  question isn't is it better than such utter trash as megalon.. The point is that given a 130 million dollar budget, and over two years production time, they came up with a film which had a really bad script, really bad performances, utterly lackluster monster, that failed in every respect of good filmmaking. it was critically reviled and remains so. If you like it, good, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. There's not a single original bone in its entire irradiated iguana body.

I ended with an adult hominem attack.  I didn't start with it.


Stupid auto-erotica.
 
2020-08-10 8:14:13 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: This also explains why the ending was changed from Godzilla being buried under a mountain of schoolgirl panties after getting a TV game show question wrong. Just didn't translate to middle America.


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2020-08-10 8:18:41 PM  
But what about shrill little boys in hot pants?
 
2020-08-10 10:37:33 PM  
What's that rule about Fark not being someone's personal erotica site? Of late one finds it being more observed in its violation than in its preservation.
 
2020-08-11 8:29:05 AM  

Nurglitch: What's that rule about Fark not being someone's personal erotica site? Of late one finds it being more observed in its violation than in its preservation.


I see no such rule like that.

https://www.fark.com/farq/posting/#Po​s​ting_Rules_-_The_Basics
 
2020-08-11 8:35:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: In the original the process of finally killing Godzilla actually makes things worse, potentially dooming the entire country to slow death by starvation.


No it doesn't.

Dr. Serizawa, who is the only one who knows how to make an oxygen destroyer, stays down effectively committing suicide so that the information about how to make one dies with him.

It may temporarily wipe out fish in the immediate area of where it's employed, but there is no implication that the effects are permanent or long lasting.    And even if that were true that it was permanent or long lasting, Japan's survival as a country didn't depend on fishing in that part of Tokyo Bay.
 
2020-08-11 1:28:13 PM  
That is why I watch the Japanese version with subs only. When compared to the version with Raymond Burr white-horned in unnecessarily, the differences are obvious. In the Japanese version references to the bomb were very obvious, even down to the monster's "Atomic Breath" and what it did to the setpieces, matching film of american nuclear tests take in the 1940s and 1950s exactly.

In the 'murican version a lot of the Atomic Breath sequences and other stuff was cut so that the white guy can explain what is supposed to be going on, and it sucked... but for the longest time (I first saw it as a kid in the early 70s) this version is all we had. Didn't know any better until years later when I got to see the original on DVD.
 
2020-08-11 3:39:29 PM  

rewind2846: That is why I watch the Japanese version with subs only. When compared to the version with Raymond Burr white-horned in unnecessarily, the differences are obvious. In the Japanese version references to the bomb were very obvious, even down to the monster's "Atomic Breath" and what it did to the setpieces, matching film of american nuclear tests take in the 1940s and 1950s exactly.

In the 'murican version a lot of the Atomic Breath sequences and other stuff was cut so that the white guy can explain what is supposed to be going on, and it sucked... but for the longest time (I first saw it as a kid in the early 70s) this version is all we had. Didn't know any better until years later when I got to see the original on DVD.


There's a lot of stuff like that, like so many of the spaghetti westerns imitating Kurosawa's films.
 
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