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2020-08-09 11:12:28 PM  
History shows again and again how nature points out the follies of man.
 
2020-08-09 11:58:24 PM  
if they wanted to put across a Serious Message in their Serious Film maybe they should've actually tried to hide that the Big Metaphor was a guy in a stupid rubber suit knocking down toy sets.
 
2020-08-10 3:55:03 AM  
The author forgot to mention that the Japanese had the "Oxygen Destroyer" and were not completely helpless and it showed them fighting off Godzilla with jet planes and tanks as if they weren't totally defeated. In the end the scientist that developed the weapon died with it on purpose so that it couldn't be used again. Lots of symbolism in the movie.
 
2020-08-10 5:15:13 AM  
Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?
 
2020-08-10 5:20:50 AM  
Godzilla as a franchise is as subtle as a nuclear warhead. Great film 101 essay. C-.
 
2020-08-10 5:28:41 AM  
You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0
 
2020-08-10 5:36:31 AM  

stoli n coke: Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?


Yes. Along with comments like these, trying to impart a sense of casual superiority.
 
2020-08-10 6:04:33 AM  

stoli n coke: Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?


Wasn't there one here just a couple days ago?
Or maybe I saw it somewhere else...
 
2020-08-10 6:05:23 AM  

FarkingChas: You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0


yes I see
Youtube 8usWPev3VQU
 
2020-08-10 6:09:15 AM  

moos: History shows again and again how nature points out the follies of man.


Up the folly...
 
2020-08-10 6:57:13 AM  
Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.
 
2020-08-10 7:03:20 AM  
This also explains why the ending was changed from Godzilla being buried under a mountain of schoolgirl panties after getting a TV game show question wrong. Just didn't translate to middle America.
 
2020-08-10 7:06:49 AM  

Thrakkorzog: The author forgot to mention that the Japanese had the "Oxygen Destroyer" and were not completely helpless and it showed them fighting off Godzilla with jet planes and tanks as if they weren't totally defeated. In the end the scientist that developed the weapon died with it on purpose so that it couldn't be used again. Lots of symbolism in the movie.


It also marked the last time Godzilla was truly mortal, in that he was killed by the action of humans, until the 1998 US version, which honestly is much better than it gets credit for being.  If it had been titled "The Lizard That Ate New York" or something like that it would have been received a lot better.
 
2020-08-10 7:07:00 AM  
dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...
 
2020-08-10 7:07:36 AM  

FarkingChas: dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...


Fark skews heavily to Gen X.   Few kids around here.
 
2020-08-10 7:10:12 AM  

dittybopper: FarkingChas: dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...

Fark skews heavily to Gen X.   Few kids around here.


So? The article is not on Fark. We's just talking about it. The article may be seen by the brats.
 
2020-08-10 7:18:24 AM  

FarkingChas: dittybopper: FarkingChas: dittybopper:
Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

True. But there are always those pesky young'uns coming along. They don't know and need to learn.
If it weren't for those darned kids ...

Fark skews heavily to Gen X.   Few kids around here.

So? The article is not on Fark. We's just talking about it. The article may be seen by the brats.


But it was greenlit on Fark.  Hence our discussion.

That means that some Farker thought it pertinent, and some other beknighted wanker thought it worthy of being greenlit.
 
2020-08-10 7:20:12 AM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: FarkingChas: You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0

[YouTube video: yes I see]


*shakes tiny fist*

Well done.
 
2020-08-10 7:25:17 AM  
Godzilla trivia:  If you ever need to warn the Japanese of an impending attack via Morse code, this is how you send "Gojira" in Japanese Morse:

---- ..   --.-. ..   ...
GO         JI       RA


/Don't send ..-..  ...   ..-..  ...   ..-..  ...
//Bad things happened last time it was sent.
 
2020-08-10 8:04:55 AM  

FarkingChas: You mean that Raymond Burr was not really in the movie? This is my shocked face. :0


Also:  Raymond Burr never set foot on the USS Constitution, so Ironside was false advertising.
 
2020-08-10 8:23:55 AM  

BafflerMeal: stoli n coke: Doesn't this article surface every 5 years or so, usually when a film school grad is trying to illustrate that they get a piece of popular entertainment on a deeper level than everybody else?

Yes. Along with comments like these, trying to impart a sense of casual superiority.


Hey, there's nothing casual about our superiority here!
 
2020-08-10 8:24:32 AM  

dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.


They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?
 
2020-08-10 8:44:57 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?


The Japanese killed more people in Nanking than died in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
2020-08-10 8:54:29 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?


Not really, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes​e​_war_crimes
 
2020-08-10 8:55:46 AM  

Boojum2k: Tyrone Slothrop: dittybopper: Lesson for Japan:  Don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Seriously, though, this has been known by like everybody who has ever been even mildly interested in Godzilla for decades.

They attacked a harbor, and we firebombed their capital and nuked 2 cities. Overreaction much?

The Japanese killed more people in Nanking than died in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


And they did it on a personal level.  Individual soldiers murdering and raping.
 
2020-08-10 9:17:26 AM  
This was a great scene.

Godzilla The King Of Monsters (1954) - First Godzilla Scene (Audio Remake)
Youtube Isi01QcuRJw


Almost pooped myself the first time I saw that as a kid.
 
2020-08-10 9:17:43 AM  
Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.
 
2020-08-10 9:31:43 AM  
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Godzilla can be what ever you like..lol
 
2020-08-10 9:31:59 AM  
Welcome to the 'No Sh*t Sherlock' coffee-shop. No pontificating in the line-up, please.
 
2020-08-10 9:34:23 AM  
Not a big Godzilla fan, but I watched plenty as a kid.  Even as a grade school kid, albeit one who was into history, a) it was still pretty obvious that it has an anti-nuke message (most if not all the movies, including the other Kaiju monsters, had that message albeit buried somewhat), and b) Japan is the only country to be bombed with nukes.

The American version may have been edited and as such, less politicized and less campy, but you couldn't avoid the message of the dangers of nuclear weapons anymore than the hapless Japanese tank could avoid getting stomped by Godzilla.
 
2020-08-10 9:38:58 AM  

skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.


Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.
 
2020-08-10 9:44:13 AM  

SirEattonHogg: The American version may have been edited and as such, less politicized and less campy


It was *MORE* campy.

The original is actually a pretty dark and serious film.  Gojira is not campy in any way.   It's not played up intentionally for fun, though modern eyes might see it as "camp" because they can't distinguish it from other films of the era because of the limitations of the special effects of the time.

Now, the subsequent Godzilla films?  Yeah, they got campy.   Even the sequel, Godzilla Raids Again, is full of camp.

I can't watch Ebirah, Horror of the Deep without thinking this:

Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2020-08-10 9:44:50 AM  
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There was the time Godzilla became a walking , ticking, nuclear bomb in 1995.


Godzilla has been a cautionary tale of Genetics, a social commentary, and environmental protector, an argument about real life vs artificial life, a commentary on US/Japanese relations, and a buffoonish superhero. 29 Japanese films...so there is room for whatever you want him to be.
 
2020-08-10 9:48:29 AM  

realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.


It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.
 
2020-08-10 9:52:03 AM  
IIRC the original Godzilla film was also a kind of accident. They had originally planned on making a completely different film, but the lead canceled at the last minute after they had already transported the cast and crew to the island.

The producers were all "well now what" and one of the crew was "say I've been working on this screenplay..."
 
2020-08-10 9:55:36 AM  

dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.


15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.
 
2020-08-10 10:05:34 AM  
That's not what "whitewashing" means.
 
2020-08-10 10:15:30 AM  

DecemberNitro: That's not what "whitewashing" means.


Whitewashing has multiple meanings that depend on the context.
 
2020-08-10 10:21:39 AM  
It's been well known for decades that hollywood edited the fark out of Gojira before releasing it as Godzilla: King of the Monsters.   A lot of stuff and not just the nuclear themes were downplayed and new american footage featuring  Raymond Burr as reporter Steve Martin , he would of course go on to play Perry Mason and the lead in Ironsides.

Interesting the first film in the Heisei Series  got much the same treatment and became Godzilla: 1985 inthe US with Raymond Burr being brought back to reprise his character along with heavy editing
 
2020-08-10 10:37:37 AM  
While I love the American version and its successors, I highly recommend seeing the original as it is quite artful.  I even saw it at hoity-toity Film Forum with a buncha film neckbeards.  I loved it.

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy having some beer and popcorn and watching Destroy All Monsters too, though.
 
2020-08-10 10:44:42 AM  
Would like a word:
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2020-08-10 10:54:55 AM  
And for the Post-Atomic Age:
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2020-08-10 10:55:14 AM  
Godzilla vs. Hedorah - smog monster////don't pollute our planet
son of godzilla///don't be a bully
rodan///i'd rather die then be without my mate
 
2020-08-10 11:13:26 AM  

cocozilla: [Fark user image image 600x421]

There was the time Godzilla became a walking , ticking, nuclear bomb in 1995.


Godzilla has been a cautionary tale of Genetics, a social commentary, and environmental protector, an argument about real life vs artificial life, a commentary on US/Japanese relations, and a buffoonish superhero. 29 Japanese films...so there is room for whatever you want him to be.


In Godzilla King of the Monsters they reprise that, and it almost turns the movie into a horror movie.
 
2020-08-10 11:28:10 AM  
In the year after the bombings, Japanese scientists did a lot of data collection on the effects and aftereffects of the bomb. Nobody else had ever done this because, duh, no one had ever dropped a nuke on a city before.

Naturally, the occupying American forces suppressed and censored all of it.
 
2020-08-10 11:40:22 AM  
Best Godzilla is Bobcat Goldthwait Godzilla.
 
2020-08-10 12:02:28 PM  

cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.


"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.
 
2020-08-10 12:14:36 PM  

Nurglitch: In Godzilla King of the Monsters they reprise that, and it almost turns the movie into a horror movie.


The recent one was a horror of a movie, that's for sure.  Aside from the whole thing being orange and blue (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p​hp​/Main/OrangeBlueContrast ), it's a clear example of what Frederick Brooks, writing in a different context, called the "Second System Effect".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-​s​ystem_effect

The 2014 Godzilla was good, and so was Kong: Skull Island, so there is that.

Meat Loaf - Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad (PCM Stereo)
Youtube k5hWWe-ts2s
 
2020-08-10 12:25:23 PM  

dittybopper: cocozilla: dittybopper: realmolo: skyotter: Really, only the 1954 film had an atomic message.  Then it turned into a monster-fight franchise for kids.

Until the American film in '98 which returned to the nuclear metaphor.

So your blog both sucks, and is wrong.

Yup.

My godson was really into Godzilla movies when he was little. He still enjoys them. I've seen almost all of them over the years, and...they're all terrible. But they are terrible in a really hypnotic way that is perfect for a lazy weekend afternoon. They scratch a really specific itch that almost nothing else does.

It's my contention that the 1998 Godzilla is a better film in every way to all of those films *EXCEPT* the original.  Better plot, better acting, better "science", better "little Godzillas"*, just better all around.   The original beats it only because of originality and depth of emotion without any attempt at humor, because the subject wasn't humorous.


*Minilla/Minya is the developmentally disabled Scrappy Doo of the Godzilla franchise.

15%
TOMATOMETER

28%
AUDIENCE SCORE


Critically it ranks at the bottom...and at the bottom with its audience score. It was appalling, as a Godzilla film...and as a movie.

"Millions of people can't be wrong!"

Yes, yes they can.   For example, regardless of what party you belong to or your general ideological leanings, I'm sure there is an election you can point to where the majority of people had their head up their ass.

Just because a bunch of people agree on something doesn't make it objectively true.

If you're claiming that Godzilla vs. Megalon or Ebirah, Horror of the Deep is better than the 1998 Godzilla, not only are you wrong, but your brain is defective and you need an MRI stat.


Starting with an ad hominem attack. Good move. The  question isn't is it better than such utter trash as megalon.. The point is that given a 130 million dollar budget, and over two years production time, they came up with a film which had a really bad script, really bad performances, utterly lackluster monster, that failed in every respect of good filmmaking. it was critically reviled and remains so. If you like it, good, but that doesn't mean it's a good film. There's not a single original bone in its entire irradiated iguana body.
 
2020-08-10 12:34:01 PM  
And this is why my all-time favorite of the franchise is the original, the cleaned-up and remastered 'Gojira', with no goddamned Americanization or Raymond Burr ('Steve Martin' indeed!).
 
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