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(Nerdist)   Christopher Eccleston is finally returning to Doctor Who in the BBC's Big Finish audio series. "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing"   (nerdist.com) divider line
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2020-08-09 3:26:44 PM  
Fantastic!
 
2020-08-09 3:55:06 PM  
Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.
 
2020-08-09 3:56:55 PM  
Anyway...great news! I've been a Big Finish fan for quite a while now and I never ever ever thought they (or anyone else) would be able to talk Eccleston into returning. This is a huge surprise, and hugely welcome.
 
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2020-08-09 5:14:42 PM  
"After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.
 
2020-08-09 5:27:01 PM  

TWX: "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.


No, this is completely wrong.

Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him. Apparently Barrowman has a thing about whipping his dick out on set as a joke, and did this several times during his appearances on the show. And it's not an isolated incident, Eve Myles has even said that in the makeup rooms when they were doing Torchwood, one time he was coming up behind her so she turned her head to react, and he literally dickslapped her face, as a joke. Eccleston was not at all comfortable with this, and rather less than pleased that RTD the showrunner did nothing about it because he thought it was funny too.

He also wrote a memoir, where he talked about how he was suffering from mental problems at the time of his involvement in the show, depression and anorexia.


Perfectly reasonable that he loved the character, but the toxic work environment plus his own mental problems led him to walk away.
 
2020-08-09 5:41:12 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.


I stand corrected.
 
2020-08-09 5:45:51 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: TWX: "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.

No, this is completely wrong.

Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him. Apparently Barrowman has a thing about whipping his dick out on set as a joke, and did this several times during his appearances on the show. And it's not an isolated incident, Eve Myles has even said that in the makeup rooms when they were doing Torchwood, one time he was coming up behind her so she turned her head to react, and he literally dickslapped her face, as a joke. Eccleston was not at all comfortable with this, and rather less than pleased that RTD the showrunner did nothing about it because he thought it was funny too.

He also wrote a memoir, where he talked about how he was suffering from mental problems at the time of his involvement in the show, depression and anorexia.


Here's an excellent interview with Christopher Eccleston where he talks candidly about his mental health struggles.
 
2020-08-09 5:56:55 PM  
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2020-08-09 6:04:33 PM  
bringing back to life a character I love playing

Uh, didn't he hate it?  Isn't that why he only did one series(season)?  Granted he says this about every damn thing he does
 
2020-08-09 6:21:23 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: TWX: "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.

No, this is completely wrong.

Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him. Apparently Barrowman has a thing about whipping his dick out on set as a joke, and did this several times during his appearances on the show. And it's not an isolated incident, Eve Myles has even said that in the makeup rooms when they were doing Torchwood, one time he was coming up behind her so she turned her head to react, and he literally dickslapped her face, as a joke. Eccleston was not at all comfortable with this, and rather less than pleased that RTD the showrunner did nothing about it because he thought it was funny too.

He also wrote a memoir, where he talked about how he was suffering from mental problems at the time of his involvement in the show, depression and anorexia.


Perfectly reasonable that he loved the character, but the toxic work environment plus his own mental problems led him to wa ...


Whoa.  I had no idea Barrowman was that kind of an asshole.  Any links which support this?
 
2020-08-09 6:27:25 PM  

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2020-08-09 6:27:29 PM  
Awesome. His portrayal deserved much better than the "25% farting aliens" season we ended up with.

I love the Eighth Doctor stuff on Big Finish. If you poke around a certain Archive, you can find the MP3 files for Blood Of The Daleks. It's well worth a listen, and a good sample of how good the Big Finish stuff can be.
 
2020-08-09 6:36:17 PM  
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2020-08-09 6:44:17 PM  
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2020-08-09 6:47:54 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: No, this is completely wrong.


Yet he skipped the 50th which involved neither RTD nor Barrowman.
 
2020-08-09 6:51:54 PM  
He was the perfect Doctor to return after such a long hiatus. He got me hooked, and was my fave, until 11 walked in a tree and accidentally stole my heart.

No matter what, there's a special respect and love for each doctor. Best part of the show/most heartbreaking aspect is the main characters are never stagnant.

Thanks to Doctor Who for getting me through a physically challenging phase of live. It gave me hope, while planning for the worst.
 
2020-08-09 6:54:28 PM  

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2020-08-09 6:54:42 PM  

Snapper Carr: NeedlesslyCanadian: No, this is completely wrong.

Yet he skipped the 50th which involved neither RTD nor Barrowman.


Might have had something to do with his deteriorating mental health and not wanting to revisit a place full of past trauma.
 
2020-08-09 6:56:13 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: Whoa.  I had no idea Barrowman was that kind of an asshole.  Any links which support this?


I did a bit of Googling myself, and Barrowman definitely loves to get his cock out.

John Barrowman apologises for exposing himself on BBC Radio 1
Tall, well-built and almost ridiculously handsome, 41-year-old actor John Barrowman looks every inch the classic Hollywood movie star. He's often compared to Tom Cruise ("except I can think for myself!" Barrowman laughs) but the Broadway and UK television star won't be conquering Hollywood just yet-he's too interested in talking openly about his sexuality, his opinions and, apparently, his cock. As Barrowman once told UK magazine Now, "My Torchwood co-star Eve Myles is like, 'Oh, he's got it out again, that tired old thing.'"

I think NeedlesslyCanadian might be getting Eve Myles mixed up with Camille Coduri, who played Rose's mother. I've found this clip of an interview with Noel Clarke, who played Mickey, but I have no idea of the source, just this pic that's on iFunny:
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And I found this article from 2008 about Barrowman saying he thought Eccleston was too grumpy and saying he gets on with Tennant much better.

Having just read all this stuff myself for the first time, my opinion is that Barrowman, a gay guy with a theatrical background genuinely thought he was being funny and making a lol. He's not a Weinstein or Louis CK, doing it to get off, or demean people. And Eccleston's a serious actor trying to do his job, and one of his co-star's being, in his eyes, a douche.

That could have contributed to his reason for leaving, but all I'd heard in the past was about fear of being typecast and his mental health issues that browneye linked to upthread.

And, by the way, I'm not trying to make excuses for Barrowman. Getting your cock out, or getting handsy and thinking it's OK because your gay is wrong. There was an old episode of the BBC panel show Would I Lie To You with Louis Spence (a C-ish-list British celeb/dancer) and Katherine Parkinson (Jen from The IT Crowd) repeated on TV the other day. And at one point - I think perhaps when Lee Mack claimed he could judge the size of people's heads instinctively, might have been for a different claim - Louis was getting pretty handsy with Katherine, all the time saying "relax, I'm gay". And even so, in the #metoo era, it still looked pretty skeevy.
 
2020-08-09 6:57:29 PM  
*you're
 
2020-08-09 7:01:53 PM  

Chief Superintendent Lookout: NeedlesslyCanadian: TWX: "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.

No, this is completely wrong.

Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him. Apparently Barrowman has a thing about whipping his dick out on set as a joke, and did this several times during his appearances on the show. And it's not an isolated incident, Eve Myles has even said that in the makeup rooms when they were doing Torchwood, one time he was coming up behind her so she turned her head to react, and he literally dickslapped her face, as a joke. Eccleston was not at all comfortable with this, and rather less than pleased that RTD the showrunner did nothing about it because he thought it was funny too.

He also wrote a memoir, where he talked about how he was suffering from mental problems at the time of his involvement in the show, depression and anorexia.


Perfectly reasonable that he loved the character, but the toxic work environment plus his own mental pr ...



It's one of those 'everyone knows it' open secret situations. Here's a few incidents over the years...

David Tennant and Catherine Tate sang a song together celebrating Russell T Davies, where a couple of lines reference it ("I can't block out, please lock out, Images of Johnny B getting his cock out")
https://genius.com/David-tennant-and-c​atherine-tate-the-ballad-of-russel-and​-julie-annotated

Public apology for exposing himself in the studio at BBC Radio 1 in 2008
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008​/dec/02/bbc-radio

A broader story (The Sun, sorry) about him having a long reputation for this
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/​7779500/john-barrowman-no-flashing-im-​a-celebrity/

Anecdotally, my sister had a photo op with him at FanExpo a number of years ago and she said he was really grabby with her tits the whole time. (He's gay and so is she so this is extra strange to me)
 
2020-08-09 7:03:06 PM  

iron de havilland: Chief Superintendent Lookout: Whoa.  I had no idea Barrowman was that kind of an asshole.  Any links which support this?

I did a bit of Googling myself, and Barrowman definitely loves to get his cock out.

John Barrowman apologises for exposing himself on BBC Radio 1
Tall, well-built and almost ridiculously handsome, 41-year-old actor John Barrowman looks every inch the classic Hollywood movie star. He's often compared to Tom Cruise ("except I can think for myself!" Barrowman laughs) but the Broadway and UK television star won't be conquering Hollywood just yet-he's too interested in talking openly about his sexuality, his opinions and, apparently, his cock. As Barrowman once told UK magazine Now, "My Torchwood co-star Eve Myles is like, 'Oh, he's got it out again, that tired old thing.'"

I think NeedlesslyCanadian might be getting Eve Myles mixed up with Camille Coduri, who played Rose's mother. I've found this clip of an interview with Noel Clarke, who played Mickey, but I have no idea of the source, just this pic that's on iFunny:
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Ah, I think you're right, thanks.
 
2020-08-09 7:18:29 PM  

TWX: "After 15 years it will be exciting to revisit the Ninth Doctor's world, bringing back to life a character I love playing."

uh, Uh, UH, *BULLSHIAT!*

'scuse me.  had to sneeze.


Sorry, if Eccleston loved playing the character that much, he would have continued to play it for more than one season, would have been more involved in the fandom circuit, would have appeared in the recentish special episode with the War Doctor.

Don't get me wrong, I really liked his character, I felt that as veteran actor he was able to step-in cold and commit an energy to the role that made the show's relaunch successful, but at the saime time I get the vibe that he didn't really want to do it because he didn't want to suffer the possible type-casting that so many actors from the original run of the show suffered, or so many actors in other long-running science fiction television shows end up suffering.


Agreed with you. Also, I'm not gonna hold my breath until it's in the can. The man is a notorious pain-in-the-ass. For his own reasons and mental issues but a PIA nonetheless.
 
2020-08-09 7:20:42 PM  

clkeagle: Awesome. His portrayal deserved much better than the "25% farting aliens" season we ended up with.

I love the Eighth Doctor stuff on Big Finish. If you poke around a certain Archive, you can find the MP3 files for Blood Of The Daleks. It's well worth a listen, and a good sample of how good the Big Finish stuff can be.


I mean...they're a small company, so maybe don't do that. But they literally have a section on their website called Big Finish for Free that has a mix of excepts and full episodes from many of the ranges they make.
 
2020-08-09 8:01:30 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him.


That would certainly re-frame Ecc's departure. Anything verifiable online, or just anecdotes? Even if I didn't mind Barrowman waving his Sonic around, I'd still consider it highly unprofessional. And, if true that RTD wasn't enforcing at least some standard of conduct on-set, he was veering into JNT territory.
 
2020-08-09 8:17:14 PM  
Hasn't he always said Doctor Who was an unpleasant experience?
But then he says that about everything he's done.

He must be hurting for work after bad mouthing everyone he's ever worked for.
Also trying to garner some good will from fans.
 
2020-08-09 8:24:41 PM  

clkeagle: Awesome. His portrayal deserved much better than the "25% farting aliens" season we ended up with.

I love the Eighth Doctor stuff on Big Finish. If you poke around a certain Archive, you can find the MP3 files for Blood Of The Daleks. It's well worth a listen, and a good sample of how good the Big Finish stuff can be.


I really liked him as the Doctor too.  Wish he'd had better scripts/budget that first season.

And apparently that Barrowman would keep his dick in his pants, I've learned thanks to this thread.
 
2020-08-09 8:28:52 PM  

Bimmer Jones: NeedlesslyCanadian: Eccleston has only really been coming around in the last year or so because he's been exorcising his demons. He's finally started opening up a bit about why he quit, and it seems the answer is John Barrowman and RTD not doing anything about him.

That would certainly re-frame Ecc's departure. Anything verifiable online, or just anecdotes? Even if I didn't mind Barrowman waving his Sonic around, I'd still consider it highly unprofessional. And, if true that RTD wasn't enforcing at least some standard of conduct on-set, he was veering into JNT territory.


I don't know about Barrowman, he'll have to deal with the allegations. Here's what Ecclestone was saying in 2018:
https://www.looper.com/193812/the-rea​l​-reason-christopher-eccleston-left-doc​tor-who-after-one-season/

In 2018, Eccleston revealed that he was attacked by the UK tabloids and blacklisted by the BBC over his decision to quit. At New York Comic Con the following year, he made it clear that it wasn't Doctor Who itself that he'd had a problem with ("I loved playing the character and I loved the world," he said). It was what was going on behind the scenes with showrunner Russell T. Davies and two unnamed producers that he didn't like. "I left only because of those three individuals and the way they were running the show... I felt, 'I'm going to play the Doctor my way and I'm not going to get involved in these politics.' And that wasn't workable so off I went," Eccleston said.

Pay particular attention to the quote about the "immaculate script" halfway through the article. The dude has some personal standards that he likes to apply to OTHERS' work. Reminds me a lot of Edward Norton and his...ahem "vision"

Before that, in 2011 he said:

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra​d​io/tvandradioblog/2011/jul/21/doctor-w​ho-christopher-eccleston

Speaking at an acting masterclass at the Theatre Royal Haymarket on Wednesday, Eccleston reportedly revealed that it was on-set politics and principles that finally led him to resign. According to Bad Wilf, which has a transcript of the session, Eccleston said he left the show "because I could not get along with the senior people".
"I left because of politics. I did not see eye to eye with them. I didn't agree with the way things were being run. I didn't like the culture that had grown up around the series. So I left, I felt, over a principle."
 
2020-08-09 8:31:43 PM  
I still think Eccleston had one of the best "acting" moments of any Doctor


The Last Dalek in the Universe | Dalek | Doctor Who | BBC
Youtube jIjUSzpYcuA


He moves from emotion to emotion so naturally and so organically it's a really effective character moment.
 
2020-08-09 8:34:09 PM  

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"...Everybody lives" still makes me tear up
 
2020-08-09 8:39:36 PM  

Snapper Carr: I still think Eccleston had one of the best "acting" moments of any Doctor


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/jIjUSzpY​cuA]

He moves from emotion to emotion so naturally and so organically it's a really effective character moment.


Fun fact to bring this back to Big Finish: that episode (Dalek) was adapted from a Big Finish story (Jubilee) that came out a couple of years earlier.
 
2020-08-09 8:57:33 PM  
Audio?  So I'm supposed to picture what's happening in my head?!?  Why don't you just make me read a book without illustrations.
 
2020-08-09 9:00:47 PM  

Snapper Carr: NeedlesslyCanadian: No, this is completely wrong.

Yet he skipped the 50th which involved neither RTD nor Barrowman.


Way to focus on one part of the problem and assume that because it was absent then all the other parts if the problem vanish.
 
2020-08-09 10:16:45 PM  
All in all, it was a perfect storm of badness for Eccleston.  It was the right gig, but the wrong time for him (his battle with anorexia and other personal issues) coupled with working with the wrong people (sometimes writers, producers, and actors just to "fit" together).  While I was originally pissed off at him for doing one season then out the door, after looking at everything I understand why he left.  Now he's slowly coming back into the fold, meeting more and more with the fandom community, and embracing the role itself.  Hopefully the upcoming audio dramas will lead to a 20th anniversary special of some sort to be able to give him (and us) some closure.  Personally I would LOVE to see him play opposite Jodie Whittaker's Doctor, but she'll be out the door by the time the 20th comes around.
 
2020-08-09 11:07:32 PM  
When it came to bringing back Doctor Who, Christopher Eccleston was the perfect choice as the Doctor. And while I really wished he had stayed for more than one season/series, he still to this day had the best regeneration scene:

The Ninth Doctor Regenerates - Christopher Eccleston to David Tennant (HD) | Doctor Who
Youtube r24qszUfmuk
 
2020-08-10 12:28:46 AM  
I learned something here today

/Jesus John
//I'd probably find it funny as all hell
///but that's still unprofessional as fark
 
2020-08-10 12:39:26 AM  

bthom37: clkeagle: Awesome. His portrayal deserved much better than the "25% farting aliens" season we ended up with.

I love the Eighth Doctor stuff on Big Finish. If you poke around a certain Archive, you can find the MP3 files for Blood Of The Daleks. It's well worth a listen, and a good sample of how good the Big Finish stuff can be.

I really liked him as the Doctor too.  Wish he'd had better scripts/budget that first season.

And apparently that Barrowman would keep his dick in his pants, I've learned thanks to this thread.


Barrowman sounds like *he* should have been playing Lord Flashheart on BlackAdder.
 
2020-08-10 2:24:59 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.


Aren't the audios considered canon either way? Or has that changed?
 
2020-08-10 2:28:13 AM  

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Eco-friendly party balloons, basically.
 
2020-08-10 2:40:20 AM  
dude WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING
 
2020-08-10 2:56:20 AM  
You know if he's that emotionally fragile perhaps he should seek employment in a field that doesn't require you to project strong emotions.
Something less stressful also.
 
2020-08-10 6:50:12 AM  
Personally didn't love his season at all (too many straight up stupid episodes)...the Dalek episode was about the only episode I genuinely enjoyed. But I will say that if he's decided to come back to the franchise in some way, that's a good thing. So good on him.
 
2020-08-10 8:33:30 AM  

clkeagle: Awesome. His portrayal deserved much better than the "25% farting aliens" season we ended up with.

I love the Eighth Doctor stuff on Big Finish. If you poke around a certain Archive, you can find the MP3 files for Blood Of The Daleks. It's well worth a listen, and a good sample of how good the Big Finish stuff can be.


The 2-parter was a mixed bag at best, with the..."creative choices" for the villians being a low point, but I liked Boom Town. I think Annette Badland (who played Margaret) did a good job as a stand alone bad guy, and in particular landed some good material to characterise the Doctor at the dinner scenes.

And she delivered her jokes well, which always helps. I've probably re watched Boom Town more than any other season one episode, but haven't gone back once to the 2 parter.
 
2020-08-10 8:45:13 AM  

LouisZepher: NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.

Aren't the audios considered canon either way? Or has that changed?


Doctor Who doesn't play the dumb "canon" game like other franchises. If TV writers see an idea in a comic, book, or audio that they would like to use--they use it. If they don't, they don't. It's too big and complicated of a universe to try to grant status or precedence between different media. Everyone involved seems to have one simple goal, and that's to create stories that their fans will enjoy.

Never forget that the concept of "canon" in genre franchises pretty much exists because Gene Roddenberry didn't want to give one of his lackeys a pay raise, so he gave him a new title instead.
 
2020-08-10 11:24:09 AM  

Snapper Carr: NeedlesslyCanadian: No, this is completely wrong.

Yet he skipped the 50th which involved neither RTD nor Barrowman.


The idea had been to have him be the one to destroy Gallifrey.  His refusal to do that led to the War Doctor.
 
2020-08-10 12:39:52 PM  

clkeagle: LouisZepher: NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.

Aren't the audios considered canon either way? Or has that changed?

Doctor Who doesn't play the dumb "canon" game like other franchises. If TV writers see an idea in a comic, book, or audio that they would like to use--they use it. If they don't, they don't. It's too big and complicated of a universe to try to grant status or precedence between different media. Everyone involved seems to have one simple goal, and that's to create stories that their fans will enjoy.

Never forget that the concept of "canon" in genre franchises pretty much exists because Gene Roddenberry didn't want to give one of his lackeys a pay raise, so he gave him a new title instead.


I just recalled the fan base going gaga over Eight name dropping characters from the audio stories in Night of the Doctor, claiming that it made them canon.
 
2020-08-10 12:50:50 PM  

LouisZepher: clkeagle: LouisZepher: NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.

Aren't the audios considered canon either way? Or has that changed?

Doctor Who doesn't play the dumb "canon" game like other franchises. If TV writers see an idea in a comic, book, or audio that they would like to use--they use it. If they don't, they don't. It's too big and complicated of a universe to try to grant status or precedence between different media. Everyone involved seems to have one simple goal, and that's to create stories that their fans will enjoy.

Never forget that the concept of "canon" in genre franchises pretty much exists because Gene Roddenberry didn't want to give one of his lackeys a pay raise, so he gave him a new title instead.

I just recalled the fan base going gaga over Eight name dropping characters from the audio stories in Night of the Doctor, claiming that it made them canon.


I remember that too, and I'm still a bit mystified by it beyond the validation/satisfaction of audio characters getting mentioned in an on-screen appearance.

clkeagle is right though - BBC's approach to Doctor Who and canon is nothing at all like Star Trek's 'it's only canon if it happens on screen' or Lucasfilm's Story Group approach. BBC just leases out the licence for Doctor Who to various companies (Big Finish for audio, used to be Virgin for the novels but I'm not sure who has it now, I believe Titan currently has the licence for comics) and says 'go.'

There's a submission/authorization process where licence holders have to submit the scripts to BBC prior to proceeding with production, but that's primarily to ensure that what's being made is a) not treading on the toes of something the TV series is working on, and b) to just spot-check that it's not going too tonally off-base so you don't end up with an officially-licenced R-rated gory/sweary Doctor Who story.

That aside though? It's a pretty laissez-faire approach. 'Go make whatever stories you like, if they conflict with other stories, whatever. This is an IP that literally spans the entirety of time itself, both in this universe and others, sort it out amongst yourselves.'
 
2020-08-10 2:18:00 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: LouisZepher: clkeagle: LouisZepher: NeedlesslyCanadian: Big Finish isn't 'BBC's audio series,' Big Finish is a company that produces audio dramas. They pay BBC for the Doctor Who licence.

Aren't the audios considered canon either way? Or has that changed?

Doctor Who doesn't play the dumb "canon" game like other franchises. If TV writers see an idea in a comic, book, or audio that they would like to use--they use it. If they don't, they don't. It's too big and complicated of a universe to try to grant status or precedence between different media. Everyone involved seems to have one simple goal, and that's to create stories that their fans will enjoy.

Never forget that the concept of "canon" in genre franchises pretty much exists because Gene Roddenberry didn't want to give one of his lackeys a pay raise, so he gave him a new title instead.

I just recalled the fan base going gaga over Eight name dropping characters from the audio stories in Night of the Doctor, claiming that it made them canon.

I remember that too, and I'm still a bit mystified by it beyond the validation/satisfaction of audio characters getting mentioned in an on-screen appearance.

clkeagle is right though - BBC's approach to Doctor Who and canon is nothing at all like Star Trek's 'it's only canon if it happens on screen' or Lucasfilm's Story Group approach. BBC just leases out the licence for Doctor Who to various companies (Big Finish for audio, used to be Virgin for the novels but I'm not sure who has it now, I believe Titan currently has the licence for comics) and says 'go.'

There's a submission/authorization process where licence holders have to submit the scripts to BBC prior to proceeding with production, but that's primarily to ensure that what's being made is a) not treading on the toes of something the TV series is working on, and b) to just spot-check that it's not going too tonally off-base so you don't end up with an officially-licenced R-rated gory/sweary Doctor Who story.

That aside though? It's a pretty laissez-faire approach. 'Go make whatever stories you like, if they conflict with other stories, whatever. This is an IP that literally spans the entirety of time itself, both in this universe and others, sort it out amongst yourselves.'


Oh, I understand the the notion, and I agree. I just have a memory of having read something which that as of that scene, the affiliated works were considered canon retroactively, or something.

Then again we are talking about a show with exemplary consistency.
 
2020-08-10 4:25:43 PM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: I remember that too, and I'm still a bit mystified by it beyond the validation/satisfaction of audio characters getting mentioned in an on-screen appearance.


That's it, though. The TV episodes will forever be the "real" version, in that they are the content that almost everyone (who is a fan of the show) participates in. A subset of fans will listen to the audio adventures. An even smaller subset will be faithful readers of the tie-in books. An even smaller subset remembers when IDW did a comic book crossover with Star Trek and Kirk drop kicked a cyberman while Tom Baker watched.

So it's just nice for those fans to see the "primary source" give their fandom some extra rewards.

//Honestly, I read like 2 issues of the IDW crossover, and the dropkick was pretty much the only interesting thing that happened
 
2020-08-10 7:55:34 PM  
There's no acting jobs during the pandemic. The guy needs a paycheck.
 
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