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2020-08-09 1:40:53 PM  
Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?
 
2020-08-09 2:04:32 PM  
It's crazy.
The Republicans gave something to wage slaves and Democrats are screaming about fiscal responsibility.
 
2020-08-09 2:05:14 PM  
Headline is too long.

A tale of two Congresses: Republicans and Democrats react differently to Trump's coronavirus aid action

There ya go ...
 
2020-08-09 2:07:06 PM  

eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?


He signed an illegal order to move money from FEMA during the middle of hurricane season to pay for unemployment, but only if states(which have no money) give 25% of the money as well.
 
2020-08-09 2:53:13 PM  

jayphat: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

He signed an illegal order to move money from FEMA during the middle of hurricane season to pay for unemployment, but only if states(which have no money) give 25% of the money as well.


It means nothing, states would have to set up a new system and enter into a new agreement with the trump administration to even begin taking funds not authorized by Congress. Like everything else trump says it is a lie and a con that actually does nothing good or needed.
 
2020-08-09 4:11:48 PM  
last I checked this is unconstitutional. it will not hold. GOP in congress will tear it down. trump will blame democrats. people will suffer and many will become homeless. much leadership, great presiding, wow.
 
2020-08-09 5:23:00 PM  

eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?


Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?
 
2020-08-09 5:41:00 PM  

AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?


Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.
 
2020-08-09 5:44:28 PM  

eurotrader: AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?

Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.


Thanks, thats what I assumed too.

A company would still have to accrue for the liability on their books. Cash would be higher, liabilities higher, net result of 0. Unless he was able to eliminate it.
 
2020-08-09 5:49:27 PM  

AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?

Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.

Thanks, thats what I assumed too.

A company would still have to accrue for the liability on their books. Cash would be higher, liabilities higher, net result of 0. Unless he was able to eliminate it.


If there was a serious amount of money to be made by a company a SPE could be created. Too short of period of time and not enough money for doing something some may call a fraud.
 
2020-08-09 6:52:58 PM  
This is what comes of trying to force Republicans to help Americans, don't you realize yet they would RATHER DIE?
 
2020-08-09 6:52:59 PM  
From one side sounds of licking and sucking, on the other sounds of disgust and horror.
 
2020-08-09 6:53:34 PM  
I never got any money in the first place, and I won't be getting it now.
 
2020-08-09 6:53:40 PM  
So Republicans deserve life anymore?
 
2020-08-09 6:58:37 PM  

pacified: So Republicans deserve life anymore?


In prison? Sure.
 
2020-08-09 7:04:44 PM  
trump and co are opportunistic frauds, cheats and assholes. What more is to be said?
 
2020-08-09 7:07:10 PM  
"Anoint me the savior or I'm taking you all with me." Negotiating tactics of a stable genius.
 
2020-08-09 7:08:23 PM  

eurotrader: AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?

Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.


What I read in an article the other day was that, without an act of Congress companies will assume they have to pay the tax later, and not pass on the "savings" to employees.
 
2020-08-09 7:09:57 PM  
"Through these four actions, my administration will provide immediate and vital relief to Americans struggling in this difficult time."

Many, many citations needed 🙄
 
2020-08-09 7:11:15 PM  

aleister_greynight: eurotrader: AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?

Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.

What I read in an article the other day was that, without an act of Congress companies will assume they have to pay the tax later, and not pass on the "savings" to employees.


This is exactly correct - and as it should be in any business or company run by sane individuals.
 
2020-08-09 7:17:10 PM  
What a gotdamn pussy
Sen. Lamar Alexander(R-Tenn.) tweeted, "The president is doing all he can to help workers, students and renters, but Congress is the one who should be acting. Democrats should stop blocking common sense proposals to help students going back to school & college & parents going back to work who need child care."
 
2020-08-09 7:21:35 PM  

aleister_greynight: eurotrader: AsparagusFTW: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

Is the tax deferral enforceable? Or will it get shot down Monday morning?

Not really from my understanding. The problem is companies would have to agree and then some interesting accounting tricks because it will still be considered to a tax to be paid at some point and decent chance that a company did it would end up paying both sides of the tax next year.

What I read in an article the other day was that, without an act of Congress companies will assume they have to pay the tax later, and not pass on the "savings" to employees.


...not that savings would be if they were real, anyway.
 
2020-08-09 7:27:16 PM  
Republicans are saying they want to be thrown feet first into a car shredder??

I read the article 3 times all I see is Lindsey Graham and Justin Amash and others strongly declaring suicidal intents and sexual fetishes for being torn limb from limb by angry mobs.

If they simply want people to not vote for them they could tone it down.

I'm a nonviolent person and I refuse to participate in their suicides by furious populace.
 
2020-08-09 7:33:03 PM  
Just a reminder with all his signing. His signature is degrading, indicating loss of dexterity. The thickness of the pen tip and resistance from felt help hide the weakness/shaking. It's why he used a giant sharpie, kinda like they give little kids thick pencils. It's why he needs two hands for a small water bottle. President tiny hands has weaking hands. I'm no hand writing expert but it looks to me like his signature is more arm motion than hand motion now.

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2020-08-09 7:42:20 PM  
The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.
 
2020-08-09 7:49:24 PM  
This is all because the Repubs in the senate can't get their shiat together. There are numerous of them who won't vote for any type of aid or stimulus. That's why none of them show up to negotiations. There is not one congressional republican in those negotiations. It's just Dems and the White House. And the Dems compromised and gave a middle number of 2$ trillion. Between what they wanted and the republican wanted. But still the White House said no because they are farking idiots and murderers.
 
2020-08-09 7:52:48 PM  
Here in Indiana the governor has already said there is no way the state can pay the 25%. And business owners are screaming bloody murder. Don't be surprised if we see several states, and the Chamber of Commerce, challenge the EO on unemployment.
 
2020-08-09 7:53:01 PM  

sprgrss: The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.


A Full lock down on everything that is not food, shipping, or fuel related. 
Only take out and delivery restaurants, no bars, no large gatherings etc. 

$2000 a month to every Citizen over 18 years of age, +500 per child.
And Additional $1000 if you are an Essential worker. 

Better yet, back date it as well. 

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2020-08-09 8:21:43 PM  

sinner4ever: It's crazy.
The Republicans gave something to wage slaves and Democrats are screaming about fiscal responsibility.


Democrats are doing both. Republicans are watering shiat down and farking with Social Security.

So, as usual, Democrats are attempting to fix shiat and Republicans are sabotaging it. Because Republicans are anti-American scum, to a man.
 
2020-08-09 8:22:16 PM  
As someone who actually Read the Farkin' Article, I think it's rather significant that everyone quotes, both R and D, criticized Trump for stepping on Congresses' turf.

This is not a good sign, I believe, for Trump's scam-o-the-week.
 
2020-08-09 8:23:04 PM  

sinner4ever: It's crazy.
The Republicans gave leant something to wage slaves and Democrats are screaming about fiscal responsibility.

 
2020-08-09 8:43:23 PM  

JustToLetYouKnowFriend: sprgrss: The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.

A Full lock down on everything that is not food, shipping, or fuel related. 
Only take out and delivery restaurants, no bars, no large gatherings etc. 

$2000 a month to every Citizen over 18 years of age, +500 per child.
And Additional $1000 if you are an Essential worker. 

Better yet, back date it as well. 

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I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a better idea to target this. I don't need it.

I'm no saint. If they're handing it out I'll take it and I'll keep it, but I won't whine about not getting it if people like me don't get it. I haven't missed a paycheck or a day of work this year. I'd rather see it go to the guy who lives upstairs from me and got laid off in March.
 
2020-08-09 8:56:33 PM  

sprgrss: The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.


The House had one ready to go.  The Senate hated it.
 
2020-08-09 9:02:56 PM  

Koodz: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: sprgrss: The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.

A Full lock down on everything that is not food, shipping, or fuel related. 
Only take out and delivery restaurants, no bars, no large gatherings etc. 

$2000 a month to every Citizen over 18 years of age, +500 per child.
And Additional $1000 if you are an Essential worker. 

Better yet, back date it as well. 

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I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a better idea to target this. I don't need it.

I'm no saint. If they're handing it out I'll take it and I'll keep it, but I won't whine about not getting it if people like me don't get it. I haven't missed a paycheck or a day of work this year. I'd rather see it go to the guy who lives upstairs from me and got laid off in March.


You would see a massive upswing in bass boat sales if it is back dated and the auto industry would certainly blow a wet sloppy one to whoever made itt possible.
 
2020-08-09 9:17:32 PM  
The Democrats slammed it, and the GOP basically said 'yeah this will never fly' in the nicest way possible so Diaper Donnie can't hurt their fees-fees on Twitter.

Looks like McConnell might just have to get involved in this.  No idea if he will.  But now the onus for the cash is on Donald Trump and good luck getting money from him.  This is a promise that will come to bite him hard.
 
2020-08-09 9:39:23 PM  

jayphat: eurotrader: Besides the tax withholding being deferred did trump actually do anything besides claiming actions?

He signed an illegal order to move money from FEMA during the middle of hurricane season to pay for unemployment, but only if states(which have no money) give 25% of the money as well.


I believe that's one of the non-orders. It's my understanding that only the document regarding limitations on evictions and foreclosures is an actual executive order.
 
2020-08-09 9:39:47 PM  

Koodz: I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a better idea to target this. I don't need it.


Targeting it slows down the entire process and makes it easier to introduce obstacles that prevent people who do need it from getting it. Just doing a blanket distribution to everyone is much simpler, and I'd say that it's better that people who don't need it get it than run the risk of people who desperately need it not getting it.

Perhaps meet in the middle and put an "Opt-OUT" page on irs.gov so that anyone who feels they don't need it can directly say so and opt out? That way, if you, and anyone else like you, feel you don't need it and don't want to feel you are contributing to the Government wasting money, you can directly choose not to receive it.
 
2020-08-09 9:40:41 PM  

Koodz: JustToLetYouKnowFriend: sprgrss: The House and Senate need to get over themselves and provide the people with real relief and real assistance.

$1200 twice and supplemental unemployment won't cut it.

The previous relief package and everything they are discussing now ignores all the people who saw their wages cut but are still working since they not eligible for unemployment and the relief packages are nowhere near close to covering their losses.

A Full lock down on everything that is not food, shipping, or fuel related. 
Only take out and delivery restaurants, no bars, no large gatherings etc. 

$2000 a month to every Citizen over 18 years of age, +500 per child.
And Additional $1000 if you are an Essential worker. 

Better yet, back date it as well. 

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I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a better idea to target this. I don't need it.

I'm no saint. If they're handing it out I'll take it and I'll keep it, but I won't whine about not getting it if people like me don't get it. I haven't missed a paycheck or a day of work this year. I'd rather see it go to the guy who lives upstairs from me and got laid off in March.


Here is the thing, you may not need it, and you'll likely put it away into savings, but eventually you will spend it. 

In all likelihood you'll spend it sooner rather then later.  Spending it will actually stimulate the economy far more then another tax cut, more then if you gave a millionaire or billionaire 100,000 dollars.  

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2020-08-09 10:08:56 PM  

DoctorFarkGood: As someone who actually Read the Farkin' Article, I think it's rather significant that everyone quotes, both R and D, criticized Trump for stepping on Congresses' turf.

This is not a good sign, I believe, for Trump's scam-o-the-week.


Yet in the end, the Republicans will still lock their mouths around Trump puckered asshole to get the new talking points and say 'screw you' to the American public.
 
2020-08-09 10:28:02 PM  

mamoru: Koodz: I'm not sure why it wouldn't be a better idea to target this. I don't need it.

Targeting it slows down the entire process and makes it easier to introduce obstacles that prevent people who do need it from getting it. Just doing a blanket distribution to everyone is much simpler, and I'd say that it's better that people who don't need it get it than run the risk of people who desperately need it not getting it.

Perhaps meet in the middle and put an "Opt-OUT" page on irs.gov so that anyone who feels they don't need it can directly say so and opt out? That way, if you, and anyone else like you, feel you don't need it and don't want to feel you are contributing to the Government wasting money, you can directly choose not to receive it.


I can't voluntarily put myself at a competitive disadvantage with my neighbors. It has to be done without my consent. As is mentioned downthread I never know if or when I'll need it someday.

I have family and friends too. People I can put a name and face too. Even if I never spend it on myself I can't give up resources that might allow me to help them someday in the name of some vague ideal.

As for slowing it down it's months overdue already. I assume DoL has a list of jobless claims since March? Start there and see how far we get.
 
2020-08-09 10:31:52 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The Democrats slammed it, and the GOP basically said 'yeah this will never fly' in the nicest way possible so Diaper Donnie can't hurt their fees-fees on Twitter.

Looks like McConnell might just have to get involved in this.  No idea if he will.  But now the onus for the cash is on Donald Trump and good luck getting money from him.  This is a promise that will come to bite him hard.


It would be funny if the Dems just stopped negotiations. When no money goes to people, they can just point to the Orange Bafoon. It would be a major gop backfire.
 
2020-08-09 10:35:11 PM  
He ricked it all, but the $400 a week is a lifeline.
 
2020-08-09 10:37:33 PM  

AsparagusFTW: Guntram Shatterhand: The Democrats slammed it, and the GOP basically said 'yeah this will never fly' in the nicest way possible so Diaper Donnie can't hurt their fees-fees on Twitter.

Looks like McConnell might just have to get involved in this.  No idea if he will.  But now the onus for the cash is on Donald Trump and good luck getting money from him.  This is a promise that will come to bite him hard.

It would be funny if the Dems just stopped negotiations. When no money goes to people, they can just point to the Orange Bafoon. It would be a major gop backfire.


The Dems should go to negotiate and publicly ask daily if there is a single person that has gotten $300 from Donnie's action.
 
2020-08-09 10:51:49 PM  

Koodz: I can't voluntarily put myself at a competitive disadvantage with my neighbors.


Wait, what? Why are you in competition with your neighbors, and what for? 

Anyway, if you don't want to opt out, then no problem. Don't opt out. If Bill Gates wants to opt out to try to look good, then good for him, he can opt out. The point is, making sure everyone gets except those who specifically say they don't want it guarantees that everyone who needs it gets it.

Koodz: As for slowing it down it's months overdue already.


Yes, exactly, and so anything that slows it down even more is a bad thing, no? Not everyone who needs relief is jobless or has made claims. There are probably a good number of people unable to make claims due to one red-tape reason or another. Etc.

Clearing out all of the road blocks and getting relief to everybody, whether they need it or not (and they can opt out if they want), as soon as possible would do a world of good for the American people, and subsequently the American economy, because the people will spend that money and keep the economy moving.
 
2020-08-09 10:58:13 PM  
Remember, Obama did the same thing with DACA and you applauded. And S.Ct. Said DACA executive order stays in place until president goes through an onerous procedure to revoke it. And you applauded. Now live with short sightedness.
 
2020-08-09 11:13:20 PM  

GallantPelham: Remember, Obama did the same thing with DACA and you applauded. And S.Ct. Said DACA executive order stays in place until president goes through an onerous procedure to revoke it. And you applauded. Now live with short sightedness.


be that as it may, DACA needed done and the do nothing congress shirked their responsibility.i was pissed. im pissed about this, too.

why the people responsible for executing this simply just don't do it, i dont know.
 
2020-08-10 12:05:27 AM  

mamoru: Koodz: I can't voluntarily put myself at a competitive disadvantage with my neighbors.

Wait, what? Why are you in competition with your neighbors, and what for? 

Anyway, if you don't want to opt out, then no problem. Don't opt out. If Bill Gates wants to opt out to try to look good, then good for him, he can opt out. The point is, making sure everyone gets except those who specifically say they don't want it guarantees that everyone who needs it gets it.

Koodz: As for slowing it down it's months overdue already.

Yes, exactly, and so anything that slows it down even more is a bad thing, no? Not everyone who needs relief is jobless or has made claims. There are probably a good number of people unable to make claims due to one red-tape reason or another. Etc.

Clearing out all of the road blocks and getting relief to everybody, whether they need it or not (and they can opt out if they want), as soon as possible would do a world of good for the American people, and subsequently the American economy, because the people will spend that money and keep the economy moving.


All of the opt-out funds are programmed to go to Kushner's personal bank account.

Still think it's a good idea?
 
2020-08-10 2:38:59 AM  

Stibium: All of the opt-out funds are programmed to go to Kushner's personal bank account.

Still think it's a good idea?


Well that will just motivate people who don't need the money to accept it anyway, but I guess they can always save for a rainy day or pass it on to friends, family, charities, etc. rather than not accepting it and having it go to Kushner in your scenario.

Anyway, this is all pie-in-the-sky hypothetical, because there is no way the US government will provide adequate relief to everyone necessary to get a handle on the pandemic. They are too busy just funneling the money straight to their rich cronies.
 
2020-08-10 7:04:17 AM  

mamoru: Koodz: I can't voluntarily put myself at a competitive disadvantage with my neighbors.

Wait, what? Why are you in competition with your neighbors, and what for? 

Anyway, if you don't want to opt out, then no problem. Don't opt out. If Bill Gates wants to opt out to try to look good, then good for him, he can opt out. The point is, making sure everyone gets except those who specifically say they don't want it guarantees that everyone who needs it gets it.

Koodz: As for slowing it down it's months overdue already.

Yes, exactly, and so anything that slows it down even more is a bad thing, no? Not everyone who needs relief is jobless or has made claims. There are probably a good number of people unable to make claims due to one red-tape reason or another. Etc.

Clearing out all of the road blocks and getting relief to everybody, whether they need it or not (and they can opt out if they want), as soon as possible would do a world of good for the American people, and subsequently the American economy, because the people will spend that money and keep the economy moving.


I'm in competition with my neighbors for anything we both want but only one of us can have, the same as you.

Imagine the amount is $10,000. It would be foolish of me to pass that up and spend an extra year saving a down payment for a house while someone else just take the money and buys that house I want.

It would be foolish of me to pass that up and not pay off my car early and instead keep paying interest to my bank.

It would be foolish of me to pass it up and fall in an open sewer and break my legs and need it for hospital bills the next week.

I am in a position to feasibly do any of those things, but it's not rational to volunteer to do them for no reason.
 
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