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2020-08-09 9:11:02 PM  
No more social security, no more post office, no more Medicare. Good job Boomers
 
2020-08-09 9:11:11 PM  

aleister_greynight: Hydroxychloroquine hurts the stupid person who takes it, but you can avoid it by not taking it.  Payroll tax cuts are going to hurt a whole lot of people who aren't getting a choice in the matter.


You might be able to increase your withholding by the same amount, to offset the bill when it comes due.

But yeah, most people probably won't do that.
 
2020-08-09 9:15:53 PM  
Trump is desperate for people to go vote for him. He is doing anything he can to do that. I know two Trump supporters that hate him now. They hate Biden too, so they aren't going to vote at all. Yay?
 
2020-08-09 9:18:41 PM  

LarryDan43: No more social security, no more post office, no more Medicare. Good job Boomers


Eat me. Trump isn't generational.
 
2020-08-09 9:26:11 PM  

suebhoney: I'm so very scared. I'm disabled and on SSDI and my son is an adult with autism. We're in the group that trump & the GOP hope they can literally kill with their policies. They've been working on it for years and this is the year they're expecting all that hard work to come to fruition.


Two things to consider (and I hope this isn't giving false hope):

1. Trump is already backtracking a little on that front, according to Forbes article:
https://tinyurl.com/y5oup67f

2. No doubt Pelosi and the Dems are gonna challenge the sh*t out of this in a lawsuit 12 hours from now. Such decisions about the funding for Social Security/Medicare are made by Congress, not King Donnie the Mad. This is second grade Government Studies level knowledge (or at least it was when I was in second grade in the 70's).
 
2020-08-09 9:31:28 PM  

themindiswatching: It just shows how much of a manly leader he is, what with him ordering something and his staff doing it and all.  All he has to do now is ride on bears while shirtless and he has the election in the bag.

/jk, most of America is probably vomiting right now just reading the above.


We're almost there - right now he's riding a bear market, and a lot of businessmen and farmers are losing their shirts.
 
2020-08-09 9:45:55 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Where is the countermove here? And what is it?

It isn't through legislation. That's clear. I've seen Presidents call the Speaker and Leader out before. But obviously Trump took this waaaay over the line and broke it.

Do, Nancy and Chuck sue, pushing that the suit is about the power that Trump is exerting that he doesn't have the right to do?

Optics are bad. But it's almost what has to happen isn't it?

Or do they have some hidden House rule tucked away that's going to be drug out for an occasion just like this?


They have to actively fight it.  Otherwise the Constitution is literally nothing more than a piece of paper, since it will empower and enable Trump to start doing whatever the fark he wants with nothing to stop him at all.

Optics be damned, but they have to do it.
 
2020-08-09 9:46:28 PM  

mysha: themindiswatching: It just shows how much of a manly leader he is, what with him ordering something and his staff doing it and all.  All he has to do now is ride on bears while shirtless and he has the election in the bag.

/jk, most of America is probably vomiting right now just reading the above.

We're almost there - right now he's riding a bear market, and a lot of businessmen and farmers are losing their shirts.


say wut now? How is the market bearish? Don't bother answering. It's not. 20-somethings with marketable skills and a reasonable amount of student debt ... that's what's bearish.

And last I checked, the United States is still feeding the world. Heeeyyyy ... Are you a bot ... ?!
 
2020-08-09 9:49:32 PM  

LordJiro: If Trump wins* in November, that's game over for the United States of America. Short of a war, the GOP will be able to permanently entrench itself, the will of the voters be damned.


That's also why they're shorting the Census.  Trump and the Republicans will be setting up apportionment for the next decade to benefit the Republicans and hurt the Democrats.  And they'll get away with it if nothing is done, because the Republican party knows that they won't win again otherwise, due to the bulk of the nation turning against them.

They're proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that the almighty dollar and power are the only things they give a shiat about anymore, and they'll do anything to keep both.
 
2020-08-09 9:52:22 PM  

Chain Smokes Freely: mysha: themindiswatching: It just shows how much of a manly leader he is, what with him ordering something and his staff doing it and all.  All he has to do now is ride on bears while shirtless and he has the election in the bag.

/jk, most of America is probably vomiting right now just reading the above.

We're almost there - right now he's riding a bear market, and a lot of businessmen and farmers are losing their shirts.

say wut now? How is the market bearish? Don't bother answering. It's not. 20-somethings with marketable skills and a reasonable amount of student debt ... that's what's bearish.

And last I checked, the United States is still feeding the world. Heeeyyyy ... Are you a bot ... ?!


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2020-08-09 9:57:51 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Farkin_Crazy: Where is the countermove here? And what is it?

It isn't through legislation. That's clear. I've seen Presidents call the Speaker and Leader out before. But obviously Trump took this waaaay over the line and broke it.

Do, Nancy and Chuck sue, pushing that the suit is about the power that Trump is exerting that he doesn't have the right to do?

Optics are bad. But it's almost what has to happen isn't it?

Or do they have some hidden House rule tucked away that's going to be drug out for an occasion just like this?

They have to actively fight it.  Otherwise the Constitution is literally nothing more than a piece of paper, since it will empower and enable Trump to start doing whatever the fark he wants with nothing to stop him at all.

Optics be damned, but they have to do it.


I agree.

And they need to be strong in the PR this week explaining exactly why to the feeble minded who thing what he did last night was good for them.

Or......... and this just came to me........ and it places, as Durbin said today, a moral slant on it

Do they just sit back and watch, knowing that Trump and Mnuchin are going to fark this up soooooo, sooooooo bad and let the pot boil over? I don't think this will happen, but it would be effective as hell.

That farkin' Yertle. Throw that cocksucker, shell and all, in if that pot is gonna boil while we're at it.
 
2020-08-09 9:59:28 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: AurizenDarkstar: Farkin_Crazy: Where is the countermove here? And what is it?

It isn't through legislation. That's clear. I've seen Presidents call the Speaker and Leader out before. But obviously Trump took this waaaay over the line and broke it.

Do, Nancy and Chuck sue, pushing that the suit is about the power that Trump is exerting that he doesn't have the right to do?

Optics are bad. But it's almost what has to happen isn't it?

Or do they have some hidden House rule tucked away that's going to be drug out for an occasion just like this?

They have to actively fight it.  Otherwise the Constitution is literally nothing more than a piece of paper, since it will empower and enable Trump to start doing whatever the fark he wants with nothing to stop him at all.

Optics be damned, but they have to do it.

I agree.

And they need to be strong in the PR this week explaining exactly why to the feeble minded who thing what he did last night was good for them.

Or......... and this just came to me........ and it places, as Durbin said today, a moral slant on it

Do they just sit back and watch, knowing that Trump and Mnuchin are going to fark this up soooooo, sooooooo bad and let the pot boil over? I don't think this will happen, but it would be effective as hell.

That farkin' Yertle. Throw that cocksucker, shell and all, in if that pot is gonna boil while we're at it.


It would be nice if they could just wait for the administration to step on their collective dicks, but this isn't the time for them to do it.
 
2020-08-09 9:59:33 PM  

151: themindiswatching: It just shows how much of a manly leader he is, what with him ordering something and his staff doing it and all.  All he has to do now is ride on bears while shirtless and he has the election in the bag.

/jk, most of America is probably vomiting right now just reading the above.

I could stand a few seconds of watching him shirtless, riding a bear.

As long as the video ended in every bear within 500 miles maiming him.


You are thinking too small. Every bear within 500 miles treating him like DiCaprio in The Revanent. Feel the love.
 
2020-08-09 10:08:51 PM  

AurizenDarkstar: Farkin_Crazy: AurizenDarkstar: Farkin_Crazy: Where is the countermove here? And what is it?

It isn't through legislation. That's clear. I've seen Presidents call the Speaker and Leader out before. But obviously Trump took this waaaay over the line and broke it.

Do, Nancy and Chuck sue, pushing that the suit is about the power that Trump is exerting that he doesn't have the right to do?

Optics are bad. But it's almost what has to happen isn't it?

Or do they have some hidden House rule tucked away that's going to be drug out for an occasion just like this?

They have to actively fight it.  Otherwise the Constitution is literally nothing more than a piece of paper, since it will empower and enable Trump to start doing whatever the fark he wants with nothing to stop him at all.

Optics be damned, but they have to do it.

I agree.

And they need to be strong in the PR this week explaining exactly why to the feeble minded who thing what he did last night was good for them.

Or......... and this just came to me........ and it places, as Durbin said today, a moral slant on it

Do they just sit back and watch, knowing that Trump and Mnuchin are going to fark this up soooooo, sooooooo bad and let the pot boil over? I don't think this will happen, but it would be effective as hell.

That farkin' Yertle. Throw that cocksucker, shell and all, in if that pot is gonna boil while we're at it.

It would be nice if they could just wait for the administration to step on their collective dicks, but this isn't the time for them to do it.


It really is. The timing of all of this is planned, obviously. But not by those football farkin' monkeys in the WH.

Someone *cough*yertle*cough* is walking them through a schedule. So that they can work with him to force showdowns that are almost too time sensitive to go to the courts.

But, the system is going to be down a while anyway. There is no process to do what farknuts wants, legality aside.

How many states will join? How many red states will is the big question.
 
2020-08-09 10:15:33 PM  

Pinche Mateo: Everything Trump touches dies.


I guess this means he never touches himself. :(
 
2020-08-09 10:18:07 PM  

RasIanI: I believe I called it the economic, slow-drip version of Jim Jones Kool-Aid earlier today. Undermine SS and Medicare while taking minuscule benefit in the process.


He's gonna do it.
He seeks to overthrow the US government and declare himself Dear Leader.
Everyone is in place now...Miller, Barr, Flynn.

SS doesn't mean Social Security to Dear Leader.

They had a room full of generals...
 
2020-08-09 10:30:05 PM  
So if he loses badly enough, there's a very small chance that the Democrats just say, "Well, fark it.  Let's just forgive the missed payments, and we'll make up for it by eliminating the income cap.
 
2020-08-09 10:41:16 PM  

jjorsett: Krugman also thought that the internet would peak and by 2005 fade from memory like fax machines. He also thought the Obama stimulus would get us to 4% growth (best he ever did was 1.7%), and that the economy would crash the minute Trump took office.


The stimulus was weak because conservatives insisted on gutting it to about a third of what economists told them was necessary to bring the economy out of a tailspin quickly.

Krugman can't be blamed for that.
 
2020-08-09 10:49:16 PM  

BMFPitt: So if he loses badly enough, there's a very small chance that the Democrats just say, "Well, fark it.  Let's just forgive the missed payments, and we'll make up for it by eliminating the income cap.


Ain't sayin she can't be saved, but once they bleed out, the patient is dead.
 
2020-08-09 11:12:00 PM  

Murkanen: jjorsett: Krugman also thought that the internet would peak and by 2005 fade from memory like fax machines. He also thought the Obama stimulus would get us to 4% growth (best he ever did was 1.7%), and that the economy would crash the minute Trump took office.

The stimulus was weak because conservatives insisted on gutting it to about a third of what economists told them was necessary to bring the economy out of a tailspin quickly.

Krugman can't be blamed for that.


You're replying to an imbecile. Treat them as such and don't give them the time of day.

You'll be happier in the end.
 
2020-08-09 11:22:47 PM  
AurizenDarkstar:

You're replying to an imbecile. Treat them as such and don't give them the time of day.

You'll be happier in the end.


Unfortunately there aren't any intelligent conservatives to argue against on Fark. They're all as dumb as him, or dumber, so that doesn't leave any chance for quality debate.
 
2020-08-09 11:34:25 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: suebhoney: I'm so very scared. I'm disabled and on SSDI and my son is an adult with autism. We're in the group that trump & the GOP hope they can literally kill with their policies. They've been working on it for years and this is the year they're expecting all that hard work to come to fruition.

Two things to consider (and I hope this isn't giving false hope):

1. Trump is already backtracking a little on that front, according to Forbes article:
https://tinyurl.com/y5oup67f

2. No doubt Pelosi and the Dems are gonna challenge the sh*t out of this in a lawsuit 12 hours from now. Such decisions about the funding for Social Security/Medicare are made by Congress, not King Donnie the Mad. This is second grade Government Studies level knowledge (or at least it was when I was in second grade in the 70's).


Dude, if what was written on paper can't be manipulated by rouge actors, we wouldn't have Trump. We know what the books say. We know what we've been taught. Even a first year lawl student will tell you everything that Trump has, and continues to do is against the constitution, and against the law.

But real life is no more like "Law and Order," or "The West Wing," just like "Grey's Anatomy" isn't like a real life hospital. Trump and his entire cabinet are wiping their asses with the paper both the law, and the Constitution are written on.  And Republicans keep handing him more sheets.

It is baffling to me how much Americans really believe that our justice system was going to protect us. Maybe its because I'm African American, but I can tell you from experience that American justice is, and always has been arbitrary. The folks in charge of making and maintaining  the rules, also fill them with loopholes big enough to drive a truck through. The rich don't pay much in taxes, because they pay congress members to find ways to charge them less. They get away with ripping off ordinary Americans to the tunes of millions of dollars, yet if a black man steals some hedge clippers, he has violated the "sanctity of American justice!" and therefore must serve the rest of his life in prison.

So yeah Nancy and Chuck, challenge the president on this. Technically, according to the "law" and the "constitution," President Trump shouldn't be allowed to get away with any of his shiat. Maybe he won't, but by then, it won't farking matter anyway. Fall is almost around the corner. Americans still don't want to wear masks, and millions have no idea if they'll be able to eat, much less pay their bills.

Oh our much vaunted laws! Truth, justice and the American way? Only if you're rich, and white, darlin.
 
2020-08-10 12:39:46 AM  

demonfaerie: Trump is desperate for people to go vote for him. He is doing anything he can to do that. I know two Trump supporters that hate him now. They hate Biden too, so they aren't going to vote at all. Yay?


That's two moron who won't be voting in down-ticket races, so that's a plus.
 
2020-08-10 2:06:44 AM  
Obama did a payroll tax cut, but it was like a 6 percent one and only cost so many billions. Trumps suspends it entirely and we still have no idea if people are going to get royally farked at the end of the year.
 
2020-08-10 2:18:34 AM  

Theory Of Null: Obama did a payroll tax cut, but it was like a 6 percent one and only cost so many billions. Trumps suspends it entirely and we still have no idea if people are going to get royally farked at the end of the year.


I pointed this out earlier.

3,000,000 people on unemployment.

Trump just handed Abbott a $1.2 billion dollar a month bill.

And I haven't thought about the impact, but state payroll tax? The don't have it, do they?

Goooo TEXAAAASSS!
 
2020-08-10 9:11:55 AM  
You know if a miserable 30 to 40 dollars a month extra in the wages of low level employee is such a boom for the economy, imagine if those same employees didn't have to spend the hundreds of dollars a month on health insurance, or student loan debt?  That would have an even greater economic spur to the economy as all that money instead got transferred to building a life.
 
2020-08-10 9:13:19 AM  

Farkin_Crazy: Theory Of Null: Obama did a payroll tax cut, but it was like a 6 percent one and only cost so many billions. Trumps suspends it entirely and we still have no idea if people are going to get royally farked at the end of the year.

I pointed this out earlier.

3,000,000 people on unemployment.

Trump just handed Abbott a $1.2 billion dollar a month bill.

And I haven't thought about the impact, but state payroll tax? The don't have it, do they?

Goooo TEXAAAASSS!


To put a bit of perspective on it, that's a >10% increase in the state's spending. At a time when spending has already increased, revenue has collapsed, and the state is not allowed to issue debt. Do you think the rhetoric will shift in an intellectually consistent way from "blue state bailout" to "helping the states when they need it", or will they continue to yell about a bail out for blue states while demanding aid for red ones?
 
2020-08-10 9:26:16 AM  

Theory Of Null: Obama did a payroll tax cut, but it was like a 6 percent one and only cost so many billions. Trumps suspends it entirely and we still have no idea if people are going to get royally farked at the end of the year.


2%.

Also, Congress did that, being the entity that actually had the power to do so.
 
2020-08-10 9:44:23 AM  
I wish I could find the Fark headline and thread that was created when the payroll tax cuts happened under the Obama administration.  I'm certain that 

Farkin_Crazy: Theory Of Null: Obama did a payroll tax cut, but it was like a 6 percent one and only cost so many billions. Trumps suspends it entirely and we still have no idea if people are going to get royally farked at the end of the year.

I pointed this out earlier.

3,000,000 people on unemployment.

Trump just handed Abbott a $1.2 billion dollar a month bill.

And I haven't thought about the impact, but state payroll tax? The don't have it, do they?

Goooo TEXAAAASSS!


The taxes needed to pay for this will be collected from employers.  You know, those evil corporations.
 
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