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(NYPost)   Turns out, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk might be even more batshiat insane than we thought   (nypost.com) divider line
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2020-08-09 9:00:02 AM  
The love children of money and acid
 
2020-08-09 9:02:48 AM  
There's a series of papers coming out this fall that I know of from an old friend...that will outline some health problems for adults and possibly kids in microgravity. Not even considering radiation there's apparently a lot of problems. I'll submit them as links when they're published.
 
2020-08-09 9:49:09 AM  
The fragility of those outposts, shall we say, is glaring. You will always need a super well-adjusted population that simply does not freak out, doesn't feel the pressues of cutlure, society, containment, etc. One nutjob opens a door and it's all over.
 
2020-08-09 10:00:06 AM  
elon r u ok
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2020-08-09 10:02:49 AM  
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2020-08-09 10:14:04 AM  
What you should realize is that what you see is as sane as they can appear.
 
2020-08-09 10:35:18 AM  
But that plan also presents a problem: A 2018 NASA-sponsored study concluded terraforming Mars is impossible, because there is not enough carbon dioxide locked in the soil to release into the air.

Musk, however, isn't daunted. He has suggested exploding 10,000 nuclear missiles over Mars' surface in order to melt the planet's ice reserves, thereby releasing the carbon dioxide locked within. His company has even produced "nuke Mars" T-shirts.


Only 10,000 nuclear missiles?
 
2020-08-09 10:42:28 AM  
Waste of time even thinking about this
 
2020-08-09 10:46:38 AM  

syrynxx: Waste of time even thinking about this


Every once in a while, I'd rather think about something fun, rather than think about the horror that is Trump and his followers.
 
2020-08-09 10:48:20 AM  
So, one guy has no imagination, or no hope for the future, so he writes a book. Big deal.
 
2020-08-09 10:53:21 AM  
As we all know, nothing difficult is worth doing.
 
2020-08-09 10:55:26 AM  
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2020-08-09 10:55:55 AM  
Sounds like billionaires can't be trusted with billions. Better tax them all heavily.

Thanks NYpost.
 
2020-08-09 10:56:30 AM  
...says a third guy, while plugging a book. I've little time for that, thanks.
 
2020-08-09 11:08:39 AM  
meh, seems rather banal. it's 2020 now. my threshold for batshiat insane is a lot higher now
 
2020-08-09 11:11:07 AM  
I know know!

We'll create a giant utopia on Mars, no one will have to work, everyone will be equal, it'll be great!

but who will till the soil?

Why, the slaves!
 
2020-08-09 11:11:09 AM  

edmo: The fragility of those outposts, shall we say, is glaring. You will always need a super well-adjusted population that simply does not freak out, doesn't feel the pressues of cutlure, society, containment, etc. One nutjob opens a door and it's all over.


Well, most Farkers are out.
 
2020-08-09 11:16:04 AM  

links136: I know know!

We'll create a giant utopia on Mars, no one will have to work, everyone will be equal, it'll be great!

but who will till the soil?

Why, the slaves!


Gotta punish Republicans for voting for Trump in some way.  This seems as good as any.
 
2020-08-09 11:22:33 AM  

edmo: The fragility of those outposts, shall we say, is glaring. You will always need a super well-adjusted population that simply does not freak out, doesn't feel the pressues of cutlure, society, containment, etc. One nutjob opens a door and it's all over.


I think I saw that movie

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2020-08-09 11:23:58 AM  
actually just the insanity i would expect from crappy real life lex luthor and shiatty real life tony stark.
 
2020-08-09 11:25:42 AM  

PaulRB: Only 10,000 nuclear missiles?


Were You planning to use them for something else...?

I think it's kinda insane that we have to accept being trapped on a planet where self destruction takes a priority over exploring another planet. It's like the powers that be are forcing us to live in a closet where they can maintain control.
The rest of the literal universe is out there and people who want to live somewhere besides earth are deemed the crazy ones.

We're at the learning stage of space exploration, so it obviously won't be easy or safe for the first colonists to any new location. But that's been true of exploration in general going back throughout history.
Given enough effort it's a fairly safe bet that we can make comfortable colonies where most people can live normal lives.

Normal lives IN SPAAAAAAAAACE!

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2020-08-09 11:39:43 AM  
"As a child, Elon Musk would read comic books and sci-fi novels and dream of fantastical worlds. "

Pretty sure they were read to him by the hired help. #BloodEmeralds
 
2020-08-09 11:41:18 AM  
We shouldnt lay the groundwork towards colonization until everything is 100% figured out.  Crazy to even try to even create rockets that might have the lift capability until we figure out what a space toilet looks like.
 
2020-08-09 11:57:17 AM  

way south: PaulRB: Only 10,000 nuclear missiles?

Were You planning to use them for something else...?

I think it's kinda insane that we have to accept being trapped on a planet where self destruction takes a priority over exploring another planet. It's like the powers that be are forcing us to live in a closet where they can maintain control.
The rest of the literal universe is out there and people who want to live somewhere besides earth are deemed the crazy ones.

We're at the learning stage of space exploration, so it obviously won't be easy or safe for the first colonists to any new location. But that's been true of exploration in general going back throughout history.
Given enough effort it's a fairly safe bet that we can make comfortable colonies where most people can live normal lives.

Normal lives IN SPAAAAAAAAACE!

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Just getting nukes into space would be very risky, that's all I was actually saying.  (imagine if a few blew up on the launch pad for example.)
 
2020-08-09 12:13:33 PM  
Yeah people think you had to be super smart to get the money first.
So the middle bell just ASSumes that the people doing the right song and dance are also just really smart too.

but really you mostly have to be super lucky to get super rich (this includes winning the birth lotto first and form most), and then piles of money makes us get dumber and more selfish actually.

But then basically this adds up to back up what the middle bell already imagined when they see the super rich do what they the middle bell also imagined to do.
 
2020-08-09 12:34:43 PM  
Fark is not Taboola, so stop with this kind of headline. And NY Post has all the validity of an agoraphobia sea sponge.

Radiation on Mars is as easily solved as on the Moon: lava tubes. You don't live on the surface, you live under it.

Abnormalities presenting at childbirth? Most likely from microgravity. Cellular division depends on gravity to determine right from left, and then up and down and front and back from that initial determination. Don't procreate in freefall. Does the Moo have sufficient gravity for this? Dunno. Does Mars? Dunno. But all experiments carried out at ISS say is that freefall is not a good option. Yes, ISS feels 95% of the gravity we do but its forward inertia cancels out the effects so freefall.
More research is necessary on that at Mars and Moon level gravity. If it turns out to not be a problem then everything else is an engineering and money issue.
 
2020-08-09 12:51:06 PM  
Huh, so Bezos wants to follow Gundam's footsteps?

What does he have against Sydney?

Mobile Suit Gundam Opening Narration [DUB]
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2020-08-09 1:06:25 PM  
Frankly, I would rather fling water-bearing comets at mars until...

IT LEARNS. ITS. LESSON....
 
2020-08-09 1:49:32 PM  

koder: Sounds like billionaires can't be trusted with billions. Better tax them all heavily.

Thanks NYpost.


There's nothing like people spending their own money in unapproved ways to get the ol' "take it all away from them" juices flowing.
 
2020-08-09 2:14:18 PM  

PaulRB: way south: PaulRB: Only 10,000 nuclear missiles?

Were You planning to use them for something else...?

I think it's kinda insane that we have to accept being trapped on a planet where self destruction takes a priority over exploring another planet. It's like the powers that be are forcing us to live in a closet where they can maintain control.
The rest of the literal universe is out there and people who want to live somewhere besides earth are deemed the crazy ones.

We're at the learning stage of space exploration, so it obviously won't be easy or safe for the first colonists to any new location. But that's been true of exploration in general going back throughout history.
Given enough effort it's a fairly safe bet that we can make comfortable colonies where most people can live normal lives.

Normal lives IN SPAAAAAAAAACE!

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Just getting nukes into space would be very risky, that's all I was actually saying.  (imagine if a few blew up on the launch pad for example.)


Imagine if a few blew up in the upper atmosphere.

/💀
 
2020-08-09 2:18:31 PM  
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2020-08-09 2:23:03 PM  

links136: I know know!

We'll create a giant utopia on Mars, no one will have to work, everyone will be equal, it'll be great!

but who will till the soil?

Why, the slaves!


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/with apologies to the creator of BTAF
 
2020-08-09 2:27:12 PM  

jjorsett: koder: Sounds like billionaires can't be trusted with billions. Better tax them all heavily.

Thanks NYpost.

There's nothing like people spending their own money in unapproved ways to get the ol' "take it all away from them" juices flowing.


Hey I'm just reiterating what Rupert Murdoch is saying with this piece. If you don't like it, maybe avoid his news outlets for your own version of reality. :)
 
2020-08-09 3:12:16 PM  
Hmmmm, the muskrat thinks that solar power is the winner for mars huh....

Sounds like a blithering idiot didnt do his homework. Per nasa

This dust is an especially big problem for solar panels. Even dust devils of only a few feet across -- which are much smaller than traditional storms -- can move enough dust to cover the equipment and decrease the amount of sunlight hitting the panels. Less sunlight means less energy created.

"We really worry about power with the rovers; it's a big deal," Smith said. "The Spirit and Opportunity rovers landed in 2004, so they've only had one global dust storm to go through (in 2007) and they basically shut down operations and went into survival mode for a few weeks."


So, when power gets shut down for a few weeks I hope no one plans on breathing for the duration while they twiddle their thumbs waiting for power to return. And we have no idea what that stuff actually does to the human body for blindlingly obvious reasons, so you have to figure out how to completely dedust yourself when you come in or you contaminate the living areas

Then you have the size requirements for solar itself. The "best" we have done for mars solar power is with a 2.2 meter diameter dish generating a peak of 600-700 watts on a clear day with no dust on it. With dust, its 200-300. Considering its a place where you stay warm or die, its fair to guess at least half of the energy needs will be for heating and air alone, so you better be ready to live in the stone ages. Oh, you will be cleaning the array off a few times a day too. Enjoy that radiation dosage
 
2020-08-09 3:15:29 PM  
I could talk about why Mars colonization is a fantasy but I would be repeating the work of many others. I will, however, point out that we don't have any settlement in the ocean, and only have scientific bases in Antarctica, and those are much, much more hospitable places that Mars.

The fantasy from people who don't understand the complex ecology of the earth and the complex set of planetary systems keeping that ecology alive (a magnetic field, an atmosphere, etc) is entertaining but not realistic. Perhaps if we became super cyborgs who were resistant to radiation and didn't need oxygen and food. That's just as realistic a fantasy.
 
2020-08-09 3:45:55 PM  

lifeslammer: Hmmmm, the muskrat thinks that solar power is the winner for mars huh....

Sounds like a blithering idiot didnt do his homework. Per nasa

This dust is an especially big problem for solar panels. Even dust devils of only a few feet across -- which are much smaller than traditional storms -- can move enough dust to cover the equipment and decrease the amount of sunlight hitting the panels. Less sunlight means less energy created.

"We really worry about power with the rovers; it's a big deal," Smith said. "The Spirit and Opportunity rovers landed in 2004, so they've only had one global dust storm to go through (in 2007) and they basically shut down operations and went into survival mode for a few weeks."

So, when power gets shut down for a few weeks I hope no one plans on breathing for the duration while they twiddle their thumbs waiting for power to return. And we have no idea what that stuff actually does to the human body for blindlingly obvious reasons, so you have to figure out how to completely dedust yourself when you come in or you contaminate the living areas

Then you have the size requirements for solar itself. The "best" we have done for mars solar power is with a 2.2 meter diameter dish generating a peak of 600-700 watts on a clear day with no dust on it. With dust, its 200-300. Considering its a place where you stay warm or die, its fair to guess at least half of the energy needs will be for heating and air alone, so you better be ready to live in the stone ages. Oh, you will be cleaning the array off a few times a day too. Enjoy that radiation dosage


Nuclear power.   Its the only thing that will work initially.
 
2020-08-09 3:58:36 PM  
adamatari:Perhaps if we became super cyborgs who were resistant to radiation and didn't need oxygen and food. That's just as realistic a fantasy.

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2020-08-09 4:25:33 PM  

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I knew that image looked familiar... it's almost identical to Moonbase Alpha from Space: 1990

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2020-08-09 6:53:53 PM  

bingethinker: So, one guy has no imagination, or no hope for the future, so he writes a book. Big deal.


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Perhaps the smart people say, "None of this other shiat matters if we can't afford to bring the stuff off the Earth.  So, Problem 1 = Big Rocket that doesn't get dumped at the bottom of the ocean after each trip."

BolloxReader: Fark is not Taboola, so stop with this kind of headline. And NY Post has all the validity of an agoraphobia sea sponge.

Radiation on Mars is as easily solved as on the Moon: lava tubes. You don't live on the surface, you live under it.

Abnormalities presenting at childbirth? Most likely from microgravity. Cellular division depends on gravity to determine right from left, and then up and down and front and back from that initial determination. Don't procreate in freefall. Does the Moo have sufficient gravity for this? Dunno. Does Mars? Dunno. But all experiments carried out at ISS say is that freefall is not a good option. Yes, ISS feels 95% of the gravity we do but its forward inertia cancels out the effects so freefall.
More research is necessary on that at Mars and Moon level gravity. If it turns out to not be a problem then everything else is an engineering and money issue.


The lifetime effects of low gravity, and/or whether centripetal acceleration can truly substitute for gravity, is the only showstopper I worry about, because there really aren't any ways of solving it short of modifying the people, either genetically or a dependency on drugs.  If Congress or NASA was truly interested in permanent habitation colonization, a Variable Gravity Research Facility would be what Human Exploration bucks would be spent on, not the SLS/Orion/Artemis pork-flavored black hole.

If the Gov't won't build it, having a privately owned, low payload cost, heavy lift rocket is a good way to get a jump on that problem.  I wonder if anyone is working on that....
 
2020-08-09 7:43:39 PM  
way south:
I think it's kinda insane that we have to accept being trapped on a planet where self destruction takes a priority over exploring another planet. It's like the powers that be are forcing us to live in a closet where they can maintain control.
The rest of the literal universe is out there and people who want to live somewhere besides earth are deemed the crazy ones.


They are the powers that be. We'd have more visionaries if more people could look upwards towards the sky instead of the questionable future of next week's paycheck to remain in their crumbling apartment building. These guys aren't geniuses or visionaries, they're extremely selfish and extremely rich.
 
2020-08-09 8:00:29 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: way south:
I think it's kinda insane that we have to accept being trapped on a planet where self destruction takes a priority over exploring another planet. It's like the powers that be are forcing us to live in a closet where they can maintain control.
The rest of the literal universe is out there and people who want to live somewhere besides earth are deemed the crazy ones.

They are the powers that be. We'd have more visionaries if more people could look upwards towards the sky instead of the questionable future of next week's paycheck to remain in their crumbling apartment building. These guys aren't geniuses or visionaries, they're extremely selfish and extremely rich.


More people looking up at the sky, by itself, doesn't advance civilization.

That's like saying Ready Player One is some sort of utopia, because everyone, from the swankiest of tech-bros to the lowliest Tiny Tim, has their own VR set to sit around around, collecting virtual currency in order to indulge their digital retro-fantasies.  Maybe it's explained in the book, but how did that civilization not collapse under the weight of all those people, in all economic tiers, doing nothing?
 
2020-08-09 8:04:40 PM  

PaulRB: syrynxx: Waste of time even thinking about this

Every once in a while, I'd rather think about something fun, rather than think about the horror that is Trump and his followers.


You obviously take politics way too seriously.
 
2020-08-09 8:55:14 PM  

Axeofjudgement: edmo: The fragility of those outposts, shall we say, is glaring. You will always need a super well-adjusted population that simply does not freak out, doesn't feel the pressues of cutlure, society, containment, etc. One nutjob opens a door and it's all over.

I think I saw that movie

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Just realized who is missing from the poster.

Book.

Wash is there. You know. In the background.
 
2020-08-09 10:02:02 PM  
An interesting way to "trickledown"

I'm sure the tech appreciate the paycheck

Boys and their toys
 
2020-08-10 9:50:44 AM  

Prussian_Roulette: More people looking up at the sky, by itself, doesn't advance civilization.

That's like saying Ready Player One is some sort of utopia, because everyone, from the swankiest of tech-bros to the lowliest Tiny Tim, has their own VR set to sit around around, collecting virtual currency in order to indulge their digital retro-fantasies.  Maybe it's explained in the book, but how did that civilization not collapse under the weight of all those people, in all economic tiers, doing nothing?


Haven't read the book, but I'm gonna guess "Yes...".

Once upon a time it was the truth that if you didn't spend most of the day looking for food then you didn't eat.  Then we developed agriculture and this allowed more people to not-be obsessed with finding food. Each iteration of technology and society since has allowed more and more people to live in relative ease as food and shelter become easier to obtain. Industrialization defeated slavery the same way automation is defeating the middle class.
In theory you will reach a point where human labor is worthless as machines do the vast majority of the work. You just need a handful of machine masters to feed and cloth millions of otherwise useless people.

Problem then is that People who can't find work become hungry, bored, and angry. You'll have riots that risk destroying your automation empire.
The solution to the problem is bread and circuses. You get proposals like UBI which keep people from starving while allowing them to buy just enough entertainment so they don't get underfoot of the remaining workers/owners. You get a population of shut-ins who do nothing but play games.

I think the theory is faulty tho.
Giving people money and entertainment may buy you some time but in the end the economy cant support it and humans will expand to fill niches much faster than machines can. You'll always have a wealthy class living better than the rest. This creates discontent even if your impoverished live in relative comfort. Virtual luxury and accomplishment is never the same as the real deal.

That's why I think guys like Elon are looking to colonization as a way to provide a new frontier. Bezos is probably more interested in being where the money is, but its a whole new array of difficult to automate niches for humans to explore and become wealthy in.

I don't see them as the powers that be.  Powers that be types are the ones who sit at the trough and lap up the money for as long as they can.  They aren't interested in global politics or future of mankind stuff. They don't care about climate change or legacy.  They'll stumble into a global war or civil conflict by maintaining dangerous status quo's in the pursuit of personal gain.

The Elon and Bezos types are trying to find new markets. They're the types to plant trees in whose shade they'll never sit because the act of nurturing new industries is fulfilling.  They're already richer than they need to be, playing the game on easy mode. This is about finding new accomplishments that matter to them in areas that are still challenging even if you're a billionaire.

That's something the existing system isn't interested in because it thinks the bread and circus path will last just long enough for them to get theirs. Buy some cheap Chinese stuff and sell it for a high price because who gives a damn where the money comes from or what an autocratic communist nation will do with it. If people don't have money to buy your crap then give them money loaned from future generations.

I see the space developers as wanting to create a new world while status-quo types are happy to ride Rome into a collapse.  I think the truth will be that mankind's surviving descendants will stem from those who learn to inhabit space. Earth will become like the desolate Sahara where all of mankind once lived.

We've got one sect that's happy to sit here until the fruit dries up because it controls the fruit.  We've got a minority that want to leave because its clear this isn't sustainable.  The latter are considered weirdos by the soon to be extinct former.
 
2020-08-10 2:54:50 PM  

way south: I see the space developers as wanting to create a new world while status-quo types are happy to ride Rome into a collapse. I think the truth will be that mankind's surviving descendants will stem from those who learn to inhabit space. Earth will become like the desolate Sahara where all of mankind once lived.


Basically the rich cowards will run away and leave everyone else to suffer on the shiathole they created out of greed and selfish spite
 
2020-08-10 5:03:29 PM  

lifeslammer: way south: I see the space developers as wanting to create a new world while status-quo types are happy to ride Rome into a collapse. I think the truth will be that mankind's surviving descendants will stem from those who learn to inhabit space. Earth will become like the desolate Sahara where all of mankind once lived.

Basically the rich cowards will run away and leave everyone else to suffer on the shiathole they created out of greed and selfish spite


We won't suffer for long.
Earth is fall apart and the mistake we're making is not realizing it's too late to overcome the larger part of humanity just to fix it. Those that leave have a future and those that stay don't. The majority have decided to stay because to do other wise is weird and unsafe.

/At some point you have to pull up your yacht anchor and leave everyone else to their business.
/If it's any consolation then the majority of rich will be stuck here too.
/only the handful of those healthy enough to travel and not rich enough to be satisfied will jump on the boat.
 
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