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2020-08-09 7:29:44 AM  
How can anyone be surprised by this? We're a country where huge numbers of people are diabetic, hypertensive, clogged with cholesterol -- all conditions where a small sacrifice of changing one's diet and getting off one's ass can make an enormous difference toward mitigation and management -- and the solution is somehow "Here's a prescription for Xyblantargia. Take two with your butter-slathered caramel-bacon-wrapped ham bombs, and have a handicapped parking pass so you can be right next to the motorized cart at Walmart."

The idea the entire nation was going to make sacrifices like so many others did when there's a "magic pill" being worked on had no chance to make it past the table read.
 
2020-08-09 8:00:37 AM  
Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".
 
2020-08-09 8:01:13 AM  
Just the other day they said it was only four million. So which is it?! Get your story straight, lyin' media!
 
2020-08-09 8:02:02 AM  
It is what it is.
 
2020-08-09 8:03:53 AM  
Yeah, more like 40 million.
 
2020-08-09 8:04:29 AM  
USA! USA!


/we have no choice but to pretend the virus was our idea and a yuge success.
 
2020-08-09 8:05:07 AM  

CarnySaur: It is what it is.


I accept no responsibility for this.
 
2020-08-09 8:06:27 AM  
Five million CONFIRMED.  The real number of cases is believed to be 25 to 50 million.

The virus is unstoppable now... it's everywhere, with too many people without symptoms spreading it.  It's a total, complete failure of leadership... not just a failure to act, but actively PREVENTING action.

I'd say our only hope is a vaccine... but there is no planning going on for distributing & mandating one.  The election could help... but there will still be Republican Governors and MAGA voters everywhere.

So all we can do as citizens is try to protect ourselves while the virus burns itself out.  It will take years before the true cost of this pandemic is known.
 
2020-08-09 8:06:34 AM  
No other country has reported as many cases. Brazil ranks second, with more than three million, and India is third with two million.

And what else do these other two countries have in common with the US?  Both have elected willfully ignorant greedy right-wing politicians who have proceeded to ruin everything because of stigginit.
 
2020-08-09 8:07:06 AM  
COVID can not be bullied, ignored, bribed, or prayed away.

That's why Republicans are losing against it: They're trying to use the same playbook that they've used against the economy, education, the military, and free expression of religion for the last 40 years.
 
2020-08-09 8:07:11 AM  

Guildmaster: But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".


The hospital bed which, thanks to your lack of self-control, you are more likely to occupy if you get COVID-19 could have been used to treat someone who could not avoid the need. You probably should feel ashamed.
 
2020-08-09 8:11:33 AM  
Welp, someone was definitely triggered in this thread.
 
2020-08-09 8:13:23 AM  
The data in Tableau hasn't updated yet.  But it will in the next few hours.
Here is what the current summary looks like (just under 5M).

Also...  It's been a few months since I started tracking THIS data timeline.
That shows that around June 15, the entire country outside of NY and NJ started to show new cases.  They steadily rose right through July 15.  Now we are almost at 2 months of looking at that timeline, and the number of new cases is STILL as high as it was 3 weeks ago.  It might not be climbing.  But it's not getting any better either.

This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.
 
2020-08-09 8:14:47 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.


scientifically accurate fat shaming.
 
2020-08-09 8:17:01 AM  
And then when they realized that this is just another cold virus and you want people to get it and this is how all cold viruses started...lol.
 
2020-08-09 8:19:13 AM  

durbnpoisn: The data in Tableau hasn't updated yet.  But it will in the next few hours.
Here is what the current summary looks like (just under 5M).

Also...  It's been a few months since I started tracking THIS data timeline.
That shows that around June 15, the entire country outside of NY and NJ started to show new cases.  They steadily rose right through July 15.  Now we are almost at 2 months of looking at that timeline, and the number of new cases is STILL as high as it was 3 weeks ago.  It might not be climbing.  But it's not getting any better either.

This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.


And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.
 
2020-08-09 8:26:40 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".


I am so sorry you are going through this and half your neighbours, half the people you're supposed to belong with, don't give a damn.
 
2020-08-09 8:27:18 AM  

Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: The data in Tableau hasn't updated yet.  But it will in the next few hours.
Here is what the current summary looks like (just under 5M).

Also...  It's been a few months since I started tracking THIS data timeline.
That shows that around June 15, the entire country outside of NY and NJ started to show new cases.  They steadily rose right through July 15.  Now we are almost at 2 months of looking at that timeline, and the number of new cases is STILL as high as it was 3 weeks ago.  It might not be climbing.  But it's not getting any better either.

This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.


This is the scariest part, for me.
 
2020-08-09 8:28:53 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: butter-slathered caramel-bacon-wrapped ham bombs



Which isn't really all that bad for you.   Keep in mind how long we, as a society, allowed trans-fats in our diet, which are very shelf stable. . .because, well, they're not farking food..  Many of which were recommended by doctors as an alternative to butter two generations ago.  And it had disastrous effects on people's health.
Plenty of 'skinny' people died of heart attacks and diabetes because of that shiat.

And then there's an over reliance on heavily refined sugars and carbohydrates.  But the sugar lobby, much like the cigarette lobby, was very effective at covering up the #1 contributor to heart dierese and diabetes in a America.   So much so people still cite fats as 'unhealthy.'  And trans-fats are, but people would be far better off eating bacon and ham than 'heart friendly' Cheerios.
 
2020-08-09 8:39:36 AM  
Don't worry all, after November, no one will care.
 
2020-08-09 8:44:28 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".


I gave 2 shiats about my weight. Went from flabby 224# to 179#, and 0 fat.
Diet + exercise + self discipline.
Then, unencumbered by the fat, began a second routine, diet+ excersize + self discipline and came up to 205# of solid muscle on my 5' 10" frame.
Got back into the dojo at 61 and learned even more tricks.
Since I started at 8, I fell back into being a kid again and loving life.
Because I have 2 shiats to give.

What is terrifying is people who don't.
They hold us back.
They tax our overall public health.
Super spreaders, antivaxxers, overeaters, drug abusers, drunks, and Methodists.

I'm not here to fight, but watch it, because I use to be a grand fork master myself.
 
2020-08-09 8:48:27 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.


New keyboard pls!
I just hacked up a jelly-donut w/coffee all over this one...
 
2020-08-09 8:50:17 AM  

Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.


Did that study account for the possibility that cases may occur disproportionately among people who value their freedumbs over their health and the well-being of others? You know, the common clay of the New West. Perhaps they weren't optimal to begin with.
 
2020-08-09 8:57:12 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.

Did that study account for the possibility that cases may occur disproportionately among people who value their freedumbs over their health and the well-being of others? You know, the common clay of the New West. Perhaps they weren't optimal to begin with.


I dunno, the studies, as far as i could tell, was mostly done in the UK and europe.
 
2020-08-09 9:02:41 AM  

Smoking GNU: Parthenogenetic: Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.

Did that study account for the possibility that cases may occur disproportionately among people who value their freedumbs over their health and the well-being of others? You know, the common clay of the New West. Perhaps they weren't optimal to begin with.

I dunno, the studies, as far as i could tell, was mostly done in the UK and europe.


I was just joking, but the USA doesn't have a monopoly on idiots. Chavs, football hooligans, gopniks, etc are examples of parallel evolution.
 
2020-08-09 9:03:01 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.

Did that study account for the possibility that cases may occur disproportionately among people who value their freedumbs over their health and the well-being of others? You know, the common clay of the New West. Perhaps they weren't optimal to begin with.


At the risk of sounding cruel and heartless, one thing disease is exceedingly good at is attacking the weakest in a population.  This is no different than how an sick or injured wildebeast is the one that gets taken down by the lions.  Except that it's on a much larger scale.

When this is done, the oldest, sickest, weakest, and least healthy of humans will be gone.  This is "natural selection" playing out in real time across the entire world.  All the preventative measures will do, at this point, is spread out the amount of time it takes.
If you are wondering where the TrumpBungLickers stand on this, they are WELL AWARE of it.  They are, in fact, expecting it.  They want it to happen faster - sooner than later.  Because then they can get back to life without this hassle.

And the farked up thing is, it was entirely preventable.  Except that, that group I just mentioned is, and has been, effectively blocking that prevention from ever happening.  They want this over with now, no matter how many people die.
 
2020-08-09 9:03:28 AM  

Smoking GNU: Welp, someone was definitely triggered in this thread.


Actually, two people. One person entered the thread in a triggered state, thus triggering the second poster.
Perhaps they'll get a room.
 
2020-08-09 9:15:15 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Smoking GNU: Parthenogenetic: Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.

Did that study account for the possibility that cases may occur disproportionately among people who value their freedumbs over their health and the well-being of others? You know, the common clay of the New West. Perhaps they weren't optimal to begin with.

I dunno, the studies, as far as i could tell, was mostly done in the UK and europe.

I was just joking, but the USA doesn't have a monopoly on idiots. Chavs, football hooligans, gopniks, etc are examples of parallel evolution.


Fair enough.
 
2020-08-09 9:19:25 AM  

flood222: scientifically accurate fat shaming.


Citation:? https://www.cdc.gov/obesit​y/data/adult​.html
 
2020-08-09 9:26:33 AM  

RI_Red: COVID can not be bullied, ignored, bribed, or prayed away.

That's why Republicans are losing against it: They're trying to use the same playbook that they've used against the economy, education, the military, and free expression of religion for the last 40 years.


I think they gambled on this being a non-event here like Ebola. Stupid. They didn't account for COVID being more contagious and they did none of the work necessary to prevent it from spreading. As if this stuff is just managed by magic. Well guess what guys, you're the man behind the curtain now that's supposed to be working the magic, except they don't know how.
 
2020-08-09 9:27:53 AM  
It's way worse than I thought:

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2020-08-09 9:33:34 AM  
Oops...thought this was a Jared thread.
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2020-08-09 9:34:25 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".


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2020-08-09 9:43:26 AM  
orbister:
The hospital bed which, thanks to your lack of self-control, you are more likely to occupy if you get COVID-19 could have been used to treat someone who could not avoid the need. You probably should feel ashamed.

LOL. Yeah, I should feel ashamed about living like a hermit for 6 months and keeping from risking anyone else.

Good job, you're an idiot.
 
2020-08-09 9:46:02 AM  

Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: The data in Tableau hasn't updated yet.  But it will in the next few hours.
Here is what the current summary looks like (just under 5M).

Also...  It's been a few months since I started tracking THIS data timeline.
That shows that around June 15, the entire country outside of NY and NJ started to show new cases.  They steadily rose right through July 15.  Now we are almost at 2 months of looking at that timeline, and the number of new cases is STILL as high as it was 3 weeks ago.  It might not be climbing.  But it's not getting any better either.

This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.


How do you think this happens?

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2020-08-09 9:46:27 AM  
vudukungfu:
What is terrifying is people who don't.
They hold us back.
They tax our overall public health.


No, I don't. I don't bother with doctor's visits, because I'm incredibly healthy and rarely even get sick. Something about hardy stock and lots of energy stores. That's neither here nor there, because I also pay my own farking way when I do need something. So now we're at "fat people are all super-spreaders and also welfare cases". Lots of morons generalizing today.
 
2020-08-09 9:48:01 AM  
Not surprised.  Had to gas up the car Friday night.  Station's card machines were down so I had to go inside to pay cash.  I had a mask on.

The two attendants behind the counter didn't.  The guy who walked in behind me didn't.  And this was a high traffic station, right off a local parkway and first one you see after taking the exit.  We're boned.
 
2020-08-09 10:13:18 AM  
So much winning!

/He said we'd be sick of all this winning.
// waitaminit...
///holy shiat! He knew!
 
2020-08-09 10:18:11 AM  

Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".


The inability of a majority of Americans to understand how their own self-destructive behavior can have harmful effects on the rest of society unless they are literally pulling a trigger is exactly what's wrong with this country. And at this point, it's terminal.
 
2020-08-09 10:24:13 AM  
Not that many months ago, they were predicting 2.5 million deaths, not 5 million healthy people.

lol
 
2020-08-09 10:26:55 AM  
The ironic part of these posts is given the rate of obesity in the US, most of the people being assholes about weight are most likely overweight/obese themselves.

I've lost about 15lbs over the pandemic since I knew that a lot of the problem stems from being overweight, and boy howdy am I ever, but obesity has quite a bit more to it than just "eat less, move more". Poverty has a lot to do with obesity, and lack of adequate health care.

When you're working two jobs, where's the time and money to buy healthy food and prepare it? I prepare all my meals save two a week, and it takes a significant chunk of my time.  Working 10 hour days and finding enough time to cram in 45 minutes of cardio a day and blammo, my entire day is done. I've decided after nearly 40 years of life to have a kid, lord knows when I'm going to have time to cook proper meals after they come on to the scene.

Now extrapolate that to the half of America that make less than me (I make 40K a year), most of them needing two jobs to make what I'm making. Where's the time to exercise and prepare food?  Healthy food is expensive, where's the money? Hell, when are they supposed to go in and get preventive blood tests to show high cholesterol counts and hypertension?

The health of our citizens is tied quite a bit to the inequality it's economy produces. Inequality of money, time, food, and care.

It's no wonder that poor health has become a pejorative, just like being poor has become a pejorative in our diseased country. Protestant boot straps or what-have-you.
 
2020-08-09 10:36:42 AM  

AwfulObject: The ironic part of these posts is given the rate of obesity in the US, most of the people being assholes about weight are most likely overweight/obese themselves.

I've lost about 15lbs over the pandemic since I knew that a lot of the problem stems from being overweight, and boy howdy am I ever, but obesity has quite a bit more to it than just "eat less, move more". Poverty has a lot to do with obesity, and lack of adequate health care.

When you're working two jobs, where's the time and money to buy healthy food and prepare it? I prepare all my meals save two a week, and it takes a significant chunk of my time.  Working 10 hour days and finding enough time to cram in 45 minutes of cardio a day and blammo, my entire day is done. I've decided after nearly 40 years of life to have a kid, lord knows when I'm going to have time to cook proper meals after they come on to the scene.

Now extrapolate that to the half of America that make less than me (I make 40K a year), most of them needing two jobs to make what I'm making. Where's the time to exercise and prepare food?  Healthy food is expensive, where's the money? Hell, when are they supposed to go in and get preventive blood tests to show high cholesterol counts and hypertension?

The health of our citizens is tied quite a bit to the inequality it's economy produces. Inequality of money, time, food, and care.

It's no wonder that poor health has become a pejorative, just like being poor has become a pejorative in our diseased country. Protestant boot straps or what-have-you.


You're absolutely right that the problem of obesity in this country is multi-faceted and systemic. But people who refuse to even admit there is a problem, or say that they themselves aren't "that" fat, or that it's their individual health and no concern of others, are exactly the same as the people we see today refusing to wear a mask, listen to the experts, or even take the pandemic seriously. It's the exact same mindset and has the exact same outcome. We're just seeing it sped up now.
 
2020-08-09 10:49:54 AM  

g.fro: AwfulObject: The ironic part of these posts is given the rate of obesity in the US, most of the people being assholes about weight are most likely overweight/obese themselves.

I've lost about 15lbs over the pandemic since I knew that a lot of the problem stems from being overweight, and boy howdy am I ever, but obesity has quite a bit more to it than just "eat less, move more". Poverty has a lot to do with obesity, and lack of adequate health care.

When you're working two jobs, where's the time and money to buy healthy food and prepare it? I prepare all my meals save two a week, and it takes a significant chunk of my time.  Working 10 hour days and finding enough time to cram in 45 minutes of cardio a day and blammo, my entire day is done. I've decided after nearly 40 years of life to have a kid, lord knows when I'm going to have time to cook proper meals after they come on to the scene.

Now extrapolate that to the half of America that make less than me (I make 40K a year), most of them needing two jobs to make what I'm making. Where's the time to exercise and prepare food?  Healthy food is expensive, where's the money? Hell, when are they supposed to go in and get preventive blood tests to show high cholesterol counts and hypertension?

The health of our citizens is tied quite a bit to the inequality it's economy produces. Inequality of money, time, food, and care.

It's no wonder that poor health has become a pejorative, just like being poor has become a pejorative in our diseased country. Protestant boot straps or what-have-you.

You're absolutely right that the problem of obesity in this country is multi-faceted and systemic. But people who refuse to even admit there is a problem, or say that they themselves aren't "that" fat, or that it's their individual health and no concern of others, are exactly the same as the people we see today refusing to wear a mask, listen to the experts, or even take the pandemic seriously. It's the exact same mindset and has the ...


There isn't a single fat person that doesn't know they're fat, I say that as a person that's struggled with weight my entire life. You look in the mirror, and you know what you look like - not only that, but people won't let you forget it. You're treated as lesser, you're treated as if you've somehow got less virtue - these are the same situations you're in when you're poor - something i also dealt with when I was young.

What you need to change is a sense of self-value, a sense of self-worth. No amount of shaming or calling it out changes anything, what changes is inside *you*. At one point in my life I was around 470 lbs (I'm 6'6") and it wasn't until I started valuing myself that I made changes. My entire life up until that point had been people calling me out for my weight (the 80's and 90's were brutal), even when I was in decent shape wrestling and playing football.

If you want people to change, you need to allow them to find self-worth. You need them to not always be under the Sword of Damocles and our society refuses to allow them any such thing,
 
2020-08-09 10:59:11 AM  
Guildmaster:
No, I don't. I don't bother with doctor's visits, because I'm incredibly healthy and rarely even get sick. Something about hardy stock and lots of energy stores. That's neither here nor there, because I also pay my own farking way when I do need something. So now we're at "fat people are all super-spreaders and also welfare cases". Lots of morons generalizing today.

Listen up fatty. Do you know those weight loss centers all over your city? They are just drug dealers giving out meth by prescription. Shocking right? How do they say in business? They are able to stay in business and give you amphetamines by the fistful because the overwhelming scientific data shows that a meth addiction has fewer negative health related consequences than your obesity related cheesecake addiction. A toothless, rundown, scab covered shell of a human is healthier than you. So they can justify switching your addiction from grilled cheese sandwiches to meth because, in the long run, meth is healthier. That should terrify you, but it doesn't because you aren't suffering health problems. . . .  now.

Currently, you may not need a doctor; but your poor life choices are cumulative and devastating and expensive to the healthcare system. I'm certain your idea of "paying your own farking way" is maintaining health insurance then selfishly and disproportionately using that insurance in the not too distant future. Well, I guess that is your choice. But it is also my choice to call you out on your selfishness and spit on you as you walk by; much like you would do for that meth addict who, amusingly, is a heavier person on a utilitarian scale.

So enjoy your milkshake, dump truck, you earned it; I gotta be at the gym in 26 minutes or whatever.
 
2020-08-09 11:08:03 AM  

vudukungfu: Guildmaster: Nice jump into fatshaming, asshole.

Yeah, I'm overweight. And I've done the drop to my ideal weight and held it for a few years. You know why I stopped? I realized I didn't give two shiats about my weight. It didn't matter, and I had a lot of drinking to do after Trump won.

But here I am going out only every week and a half for groceries and nothing else, because there's a huge difference between being self-destructive and being a selfish asshole.

But you wouldn't recognize that with your head so far up your own ass that you equate self-destructive to "harmful to others".

I gave 2 shiats about my weight. Went from flabby 224# to 179#, and 0 fat.
Diet + exercise + self discipline.
Then, unencumbered by the fat, began a second routine, diet+ excersize + self discipline and came up to 205# of solid muscle on my 5' 10" frame.
Got back into the dojo at 61 and learned even more tricks.
Since I started at 8, I fell back into being a kid again and loving life.
Because I have 2 shiats to give.

What is terrifying is people who don't.
They hold us back.
They tax our overall public health.
Super spreaders, antivaxxers, overeaters, drug abusers, drunks, and Methodists.

I'm not here to fight, but watch it, because I use to be a grand fork master myself.


Over the past two years, before COVID. I lost about 35 lbs.  What I valued the most, what kept me addicted wasn't looking better, or even just feeling better.  It was feeling like I had control over my life and body, control that had been waning as my career tanked and I got old.
 
2020-08-09 11:12:56 AM  

AwfulObject: g.fro: AwfulObject: The ironic part of these posts is given the rate of obesity in the US, most of the people being assholes about weight are most likely overweight/obese themselves.

I've lost about 15lbs over the pandemic since I knew that a lot of the problem stems from being overweight, and boy howdy am I ever, but obesity has quite a bit more to it than just "eat less, move more". Poverty has a lot to do with obesity, and lack of adequate health care.

When you're working two jobs, where's the time and money to buy healthy food and prepare it? I prepare all my meals save two a week, and it takes a significant chunk of my time.  Working 10 hour days and finding enough time to cram in 45 minutes of cardio a day and blammo, my entire day is done. I've decided after nearly 40 years of life to have a kid, lord knows when I'm going to have time to cook proper meals after they come on to the scene.

Now extrapolate that to the half of America that make less than me (I make 40K a year), most of them needing two jobs to make what I'm making. Where's the time to exercise and prepare food?  Healthy food is expensive, where's the money? Hell, when are they supposed to go in and get preventive blood tests to show high cholesterol counts and hypertension?

The health of our citizens is tied quite a bit to the inequality it's economy produces. Inequality of money, time, food, and care.

It's no wonder that poor health has become a pejorative, just like being poor has become a pejorative in our diseased country. Protestant boot straps or what-have-you.

You're absolutely right that the problem of obesity in this country is multi-faceted and systemic. But people who refuse to even admit there is a problem, or say that they themselves aren't "that" fat, or that it's their individual health and no concern of others, are exactly the same as the people we see today refusing to wear a mask, listen to the experts, or even take the pandemic seriously. It's the exact same mindset and has the ...

There isn't a single fat person that doesn't know they're fat, I say that as a person that's struggled with weight my entire life. You look in the mirror, and you know what you look like - not only that, but people won't let you forget it. You're treated as lesser, you're treated as if you've somehow got less virtue - these are the same situations you're in when you're poor - something i also dealt with when I was young.

What you need to change is a sense of self-value, a sense of self-worth. No amount of shaming or calling it out changes anything, what changes is inside *you*. At one point in my life I was around 470 lbs (I'm 6'6") and it wasn't until I started valuing myself that I made changes. My entire life up until that point had been people calling me out for my weight (the 80's and 90's were brutal), even when I was in decent shape wrestling and playing football.

If you want people to change, you need to allow them to find self-worth. You need them to not always be under the Sword of Damocles and our society refuses to allow them any such thing,


I get what your saying about the damage both obesity and poverty can have on someone's self-worth.

But there is a difference between poverty and obesity. Poverty is not a sin. Gluttony is (or used to be) a sin, if you're into that sort of thing. The public shaming of fat people comes from the assumption that they are a glutton. And in fact most are. Now, I'm not saying people make fun of or have contempt for fat people because they actually believe their immortal souls are going to burn for eternity in hell, but there is a long cultural memory that says you're not supposed to eat too much. And most Americans do.

But shaming the poor is just being an asshole. If one is religious ( for Christians anyway) then one is specifically commanded to care for the poor. Poverty is almost always the result of forces beyond one's control and therefore they need help and sympathy. They feel shiatty enough on there own, to dump on them is just to punch down.  But Americans have a deeply seated idea that all poor people are simply lazy. While the shame attached to gluttony is ancient, the shame attached to poverty is far more recent, a product of early colonial history to make sure everyone works to their utmost. What was perhaps a necessity when hacking a colony out of the wilderness later became a useful tool for capitalists to convince the plebs to work themselves to death.

To sum up my rambling, shame of obesity is useful to society and the individual and is at least as old as the written word. Shame of poverty is harmful to the individual and society and is a recent abomination.
 
2020-08-09 11:26:12 AM  

born_yesterday: CarnySaur: It is what it is.

I accept no responsibility for this.


You'll get over it.
 
2020-08-09 11:34:05 AM  

mononymous: born_yesterday: CarnySaur: It is what it is.

I accept no responsibility for this.

You'll get over it.


It'll just disappear.
 
2020-08-09 11:34:44 AM  

g.fro: AwfulObject: g.fro: AwfulObject: The ironic part of these posts is given the rate of obesity in the US, most of the people being assholes about weight are most likely overweight/obese themselves.

I've lost about 15lbs over the pandemic since I knew that a lot of the problem stems from being overweight, and boy howdy am I ever, but obesity has quite a bit more to it than just "eat less, move more". Poverty has a lot to do with obesity, and lack of adequate health care.

When you're working two jobs, where's the time and money to buy healthy food and prepare it? I prepare all my meals save two a week, and it takes a significant chunk of my time.  Working 10 hour days and finding enough time to cram in 45 minutes of cardio a day and blammo, my entire day is done. I've decided after nearly 40 years of life to have a kid, lord knows when I'm going to have time to cook proper meals after they come on to the scene.

Now extrapolate that to the half of America that make less than me (I make 40K a year), most of them needing two jobs to make what I'm making. Where's the time to exercise and prepare food?  Healthy food is expensive, where's the money? Hell, when are they supposed to go in and get preventive blood tests to show high cholesterol counts and hypertension?

The health of our citizens is tied quite a bit to the inequality it's economy produces. Inequality of money, time, food, and care.

It's no wonder that poor health has become a pejorative, just like being poor has become a pejorative in our diseased country. Protestant boot straps or what-have-you.

You're absolutely right that the problem of obesity in this country is multi-faceted and systemic. But people who refuse to even admit there is a problem, or say that they themselves aren't "that" fat, or that it's their individual health and no concern of others, are exactly the same as the people we see today refusing to wear a mask, listen to the experts, or even take the pandemic seriously. It's the exact same ...


Well, I don't know how you decipher religious text(you could accept it as allegory or be a literalist) but when the bible was written, food was a bit less ubiquitous, so one could say that the sin of "gluttony" was literally the sin of hoarding resource. As the main throw of the New Testament was "everybody share" and "don't be a dick" I hardly think one of the teachings you should of glean is "shame of obese people is cool".

That is, unless you're a literalist, in which religious allegory confuses you.
 
2020-08-09 11:57:19 AM  

Smoking GNU: durbnpoisn: The data in Tableau hasn't updated yet.  But it will in the next few hours.
Here is what the current summary looks like (just under 5M).

Also...  It's been a few months since I started tracking THIS data timeline.
That shows that around June 15, the entire country outside of NY and NJ started to show new cases.  They steadily rose right through July 15.  Now we are almost at 2 months of looking at that timeline, and the number of new cases is STILL as high as it was 3 weeks ago.  It might not be climbing.  But it's not getting any better either.

This country really is entirely too farking stupid for its own good.  And I have never meant that more literally.

And it's gonna get a lot worse as a result, taking into consideration the link yesterday here about studies showing that around 55% of people who get covid and show any level of symptoms develop brain damage as a result.


Okay, there's no need for sensationalism & hyperbole to make it sound worse than it actually is.  What you are describing actually said was that people recovering from Covid-19 have some level of neurological deficit up to 2 months later.  In many cases this is general muscle weakness that is improving steadily but slowly, not "brain damage".

Yes, it's worrying.  Yes, it's bad that you can have neurological symptoms at all, especially months after recovering.  But it's not like you make it sound, like half the people who become infected end up drooling, bed-bound mental patients.
 
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