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2020-08-09 2:04:22 AM  
Ha, ha!

No one likes you, Moscow Fats!
 
2020-08-09 2:14:14 AM  
They don't want to get fooled again.
 
2020-08-09 5:43:33 AM  
The high level people in the WHO are grifters. When you need to promote someone out of the way in your countries health system, you send them to the WHO.  This has compromised the ability to properly fund the lower level people who do real work while increasing the expenses of global meetings to discuss BS like where the next function should be held.  Being high up in the WHO gets you invited to lots of nice cocktail parties where you can meet rich people if that is your thing.

Over the last few years it looks like the USA is getting tired of paying for it and/or is sick of not being invited to the nice parties.

The USA's global pandemic early warning budget that was run by the Navy was less than $40 million a year.
WHO's budget of who gets billed how much and who paid is interesting.  The Maldives seem to be going "$19k? Is a grand ok? We think a grand is ok".   Tonga owes $80.  The countries that have the nice diplomatic parties seem to have all paid up.

It is screwed up and does need reform but there isn't anyway I can see that happening with out larger budgets and better parties.
 
2020-08-09 6:01:00 AM  
Can't say that I blame them. Pull out now, and hope that the US will get a sane Administration in a few months.
 
2020-08-09 6:34:00 AM  
It's pointless having the US at any meeting or summit because nobody can trust anything the administration says.
 
2020-08-09 6:36:39 AM  
The substance of the US-led proposal is not known. However, one European official involved in the negotiations told Reuters it was "rude."

What's the bet the US is demanding veto rights like it has in the UN?
 
2020-08-09 6:37:45 AM  
DON.MAC:

Trump is in the WHO?
 
2020-08-09 6:41:20 AM  

DON.MAC: The high level people in the WHO are grifters. When you need to promote someone out of the way in your countries health system, you send them to the WHO.  This has compromised the ability to properly fund the lower level people who do real work while increasing the expenses of global meetings to discuss BS like where the next function should be held.  Being high up in the WHO gets you invited to lots of nice cocktail parties where you can meet rich people if that is your thing.

Over the last few years it looks like the USA is getting tired of paying for it and/or is sick of not being invited to the nice parties.

The USA's global pandemic early warning budget that was run by the Navy was less than $40 million a year.
WHO's budget of who gets billed how much and who paid is interesting.  The Maldives seem to be going "$19k? Is a grand ok? We think a grand is ok".   Tonga owes $80.  The countries that have the nice diplomatic parties seem to have all paid up.

It is screwed up and does need reform but there isn't anyway I can see that happening with out larger budgets and better parties.


The countries that have excess cash to form the organization, and were more often the early targets in the pandemic.

Their job is to monitor these things, not act as a military tribunal judging each healthcare administrator by penalty of death or something.

There's also nothing to really manage the global medical supply chain that results in China just buying everything up because capitalism.  So yeah, there's that.

When people don't want to wear face masks, the WHO can't help you there.  Even if what you say were completely true, it would totally ignore any issues facing the reality of containing a pandemic, since there's nothing here to suggest how the WHO would have the authority to go in to China and dictate what to do.

And to do things like this is something you walk out of because fark you too
 
2020-08-09 6:43:03 AM  
I remember his first NATO speech when they were dedicating the new headquarters complete with a section of the Berlin wall and girders from the WTC. He started off okay and I had my fingers crossed but noooooo. He f*cked it all up with his bullshiat money talk. At that moment I knew we were screwed for the duration.

This is how he treats allies and it has gotten much worse. He treats enemies of the state much better. You know, salutes their generals and takes their word over our intel agencies.

Here it is if you can handle it. I couldn't a second time.

/I know no one will watch it
//just providing a citation

Watch: President Trump's speech at NATO HQ
Youtube 4glfwiMXgwQ
 
2020-08-09 6:45:30 AM  

DON.MAC: The high level people in the WHO are grifters. When you need to promote someone out of the way in your countries health system, you send them to the WHO.  This has compromised the ability to properly fund the lower level people who do real work while increasing the expenses of global meetings to discuss BS like where the next function should be held.  Being high up in the WHO gets you invited to lots of nice cocktail parties where you can meet rich people if that is your thing.

Over the last few years it looks like the USA is getting tired of paying for it and/or is sick of not being invited to the nice parties.

The USA's global pandemic early warning budget that was run by the Navy was less than $40 million a year.
WHO's budget of who gets billed how much and who paid is interesting.  The Maldives seem to be going "$19k? Is a grand ok? We think a grand is ok".   Tonga owes $80.  The countries that have the nice diplomatic parties seem to have all paid up.

It is screwed up and does need reform but there isn't anyway I can see that happening with out larger budgets and better parties.


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2020-08-09 6:45:38 AM  
"Nobody wants to be dragged into a reform process and getting an outline for it from a country which itself just left the WHO," one senior European official involved in the talks told Reuters.

The density required would gravitate the sun
 
2020-08-09 6:48:22 AM  
Trump: it's my ball. I'm taking my things and going home! But, now it turns out I can't go home until 3 this afternoon. So instead, we'll play kickball. Outs don't count, and I'm always going to be the kicker.
Everyone else: doesn't sound like any fun. No, thanks.
Trump: but I said so!
Everyone else: bye, enjoy playing with your own balls.
 
2020-08-09 6:56:57 AM  
this is why we can't have nice vaccines
 
2020-08-09 6:58:20 AM  
ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission
 
2020-08-09 7:35:03 AM  
Wait, not quite getting it: I've been assured by our president that we are no longer part of WHO and can't trust anything that they say. So why are we there?
 
2020-08-09 7:40:25 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: Wait, not quite getting it: I've been assured by our president that we are no longer part of WHO and can't trust anything that they say. So why are we there?


When no one is actually in charge of anything, things get weird.
 
2020-08-09 7:42:06 AM  

links136: The countries that have excess cash to form the organization, and were more often the early targets in the pandemic.

Their job is to monitor these things, not act as a military tribunal judging each healthcare administrator by penalty of death or something.

There's also nothing to really manage the global medical supply chain that results in China just buying everything up because capitalism.  So yeah, there's that.

When people don't want to wear face masks, the WHO can't help you there.  Even if what you say were completely true, it would totally ignore any issues facing the reality of containing a pandemic, since there's nothing here to suggest how the WHO would have the authority to go in to China and dictate what to do.


The WHO's role consists of advising governments and organizing getting people on the ground when needed. As an organization they are excessively political (as in meet and greet, not dictating) and not doing what it should have been doing.  Many at the top didn't know what they should have been doing and that dates back more than a decade.  Most of the good responses happened to be run by very low level people in the WHO that managed to use their other connections to get things done.

The face mask advice was a result of the smart people telling their bureaucratic bosses about the shortage for medical staff and that resulted in bad advice to other governmental groups all over the world and we have all seen the conflicting advice that came out of that.

As far as the supply chains, making sure supplies are stored around the globe was part of their job but they have been neglecting that for years too. A large amount of their warehouse space is in US airbases around the world.  The earthquake in New Zealand in 2011 and the USAF had a bunch of WHO stuff in a warehouse in Christchurch but no one knew what it was until they go to destroy it. It would have been very useful a week before but no one who could do anything knew about it.  That was a repeat of the story with the Indonesia earthquake in 2004 and many of the logistics team in NZ were involved in that rescue supply effort.

Should the WHO be fixed?  Yes.  I have no idea how it is going to happen.  I agree that it won't happen before November.  The parts that are run by on the ground doctors and scientists seems to be very good but the rest is very top heavy with the useless bureaucrats.

If you get invited to one of their parties, I recommend you go.
 
2020-08-09 7:43:42 AM  

ModernLuddite: LeoffDaGrate: Wait, not quite getting it: I've been assured by our president that we are no longer part of WHO and can't trust anything that they say. So why are we there?

When no one is actually in charge of anything, things get weird.


I figure it is more like when the younger brother removes the "no girls allowed" sign on the tree house and replaces it with a "no one over 9" sign.
 
2020-08-09 7:47:52 AM  
Trump & Co. tried this same crap at the Paris Climate Change talks - after Trump had withdrawn the US.
 
2020-08-09 7:49:02 AM  

DON.MAC: links136: The countries that have excess cash to form the organization, and were more often the early targets in the pandemic.

Their job is to monitor these things, not act as a military tribunal judging each healthcare administrator by penalty of death or something.

There's also nothing to really manage the global medical supply chain that results in China just buying everything up because capitalism.  So yeah, there's that.

When people don't want to wear face masks, the WHO can't help you there.  Even if what you say were completely true, it would totally ignore any issues facing the reality of containing a pandemic, since there's nothing here to suggest how the WHO would have the authority to go in to China and dictate what to do.

The WHO's role consists of advising governments and organizing getting people on the ground when needed. As an organization they are excessively political (as in meet and greet, not dictating) and not doing what it should have been doing.  Many at the top didn't know what they should have been doing and that dates back more than a decade.  Most of the good responses happened to be run by very low level people in the WHO that managed to use their other connections to get things done.

The face mask advice was a result of the smart people telling their bureaucratic bosses about the shortage for medical staff and that resulted in bad advice to other governmental groups all over the world and we have all seen the conflicting advice that came out of that.

As far as the supply chains, making sure supplies are stored around the globe was part of their job but they have been neglecting that for years too. A large amount of their warehouse space is in US airbases around the world.  The earthquake in New Zealand in 2011 and the USAF had a bunch of WHO stuff in a warehouse in Christchurch but no one knew what it was until they go to destroy it. It would have been very useful a week before but no one who could do anything knew about it.  That ...


Wow look at all them citations.
 
2020-08-09 8:14:20 AM  
Maybe people would take them seriously if they stopped smashing their medical instruments after every crisis.
 
2020-08-09 8:15:23 AM  

sirrerun: They don't want to get fooled again.


It's a put on.
 
2020-08-09 8:20:04 AM  

schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission


They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-trie​s​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.
 
2020-08-09 8:29:03 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.


Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"
 
2020-08-09 8:41:33 AM  

The Envoy: It's pointless having the US at any meeting or summit because nobody can trust anything the administration says.


And any agreement one president makes can be simply undone by the next.  So any agreement made is only valid for the president's term.  There's absolutely no point for any nation to make any agreement with us at all.

Our president and Senate have turned international relations into full-contact Calvinball.
 
2020-08-09 8:45:05 AM  

moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"


This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.
 
2020-08-09 8:55:09 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.


It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.
 
2020-08-09 8:59:25 AM  

moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.

It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.


What do you think the role of the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is? Why would it be part of and controlled by the UN?

Shifting blame to American agencies is like blaming the kid who brought the ball for breaking the window instead of the kid who hit the ball.
 
2020-08-09 9:00:20 AM  
Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

Fark user imageView Full Size


"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.
 
2020-08-09 9:03:04 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.


What failures? Covid-19 was identified as of the week of January 15th and had been in the process of being analyzed in the three week period prior to that as doctors began the complex process of realizing and pinpointing a new virus.

It was fast enough for China to shut down their largest holiday of the year and fully quarantine half a billion people unde r penalty of jail while my coworkers made fun of them for 'human rights violations'.

Then in early February we pretended to ban people coming back to the country but all we really did was restrict people on Chinese passportsnwith visas from coming back we had no travel restrictions, contact tracing, temperature sensors, even Americans coming back from China were fully free to do whatever the fark they want.

Meanwhile every single situation update from this time is on the who.int website in pdf format as they were originally created ; not produced by 'bureaucrats at parties' but actual scientists. It shows the progression of the virus, warnings to other governments and advice, hotlines, day 10 or so WA sliterally just the form to self report cases since early on they were dragnetting information from everywhere.

Where are our cohesive CDC or NIH pdf situation updates carefully monitoring the situation in our country? Oh we didn't even have a response until late March!! In fact we were so scientifically illiterate and arrogant that we sent one of our farking aircraft carriers to Vietnam on a PR event in March! Then fired the admiral for being pissed about it publicly and embarrassing his bosses.

America is a farking failed state with a bunch of insecure egotistical maniacs that are looting and pillaging the country...and you're trying to claim the WHO is just a secret party club?

As everyone else has said: everyone accusation is an admission.
 
2020-08-09 9:05:44 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.

It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.

What do you think the role of the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is? Why would it be part of and controlled by the UN?

Shifting blame to American agencies is like blaming the kid who brought the ball for breaking the window instead of the kid who hit the ball.


Fark user imageView Full Size


I'm not shifting blame to agencies, but to leadership.
 
2020-08-09 9:14:44 AM  

hubiestubert: Can't say that I blame them. Pull out now, and hope that the US will get a sane Administration in a few months.


The rest of the world will not trust us again in my lifetime. Biden may win in November, but we'll forevermore be just four years away from electing the Antichrist.
 
2020-08-09 9:16:29 AM  

The Reverend Sam Hill: hubiestubert: Can't say that I blame them. Pull out now, and hope that the US will get a sane Administration in a few months.

The rest of the world will not trust us again in my lifetime. Biden may win in November, but we'll forevermore be just four years away from electing the Antichrist.


Yep.
 
2020-08-09 9:16:42 AM  

numinous: What failures?


Asked about the correction, Antoine Flahault, co-director of the Swiss School of Public Health, told AFP: "It's a mistake. It's definitely a sizeable one... but I really think it's a mistake that has now been corrected".

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-trie​s​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

How about this one?
 
2020-08-09 9:17:36 AM  

moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.

It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.

What do you think the role of the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is? Why would it be part of and controlled by the UN?

Shifting blame to American agencies is like blaming the kid who brought the ball for breaking the window instead of the kid who hit the ball.

[Fark user image image 268x219]

I'm not shifting blame to agencies, but to leadership.


Yes, and the leadership of the WHO politicized the Outbreak by not taking proper precautions and created the failure.

Everything else is irrelevant on this topic.
 
2020-08-09 9:20:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: The Reverend Sam Hill: hubiestubert: Can't say that I blame them. Pull out now, and hope that the US will get a sane Administration in a few months.

The rest of the world will not trust us again in my lifetime. Biden may win in November, but we'll forevermore be just four years away from electing the Antichrist.

Yep.


Good. So when we stop funding the UN as heavily as we have the other nations can finally step up and start taking on their fair share of the tab. Until that happens America absolutely gets to slap its dick on the table and say suck it til it shines.
 
2020-08-09 9:20:32 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.

It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.

What do you think the role of the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is? Why would it be part of and controlled by the UN?

Shifting blame to American agencies is like blaming the kid who brought the ball for breaking the window instead of the kid who hit the ball.

[Fark user image image 268x219]

I'm not shifting blame to agencies, but to leadership.

Yes, and the leadership of the WHO politicized the Outbreak by not taking proper precautions and created the failure.

Everything else is irrelevant on this topic.


Well, I'm sure glad that's settled.
 
2020-08-09 9:29:40 AM  

fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.


Yeah why would the wealthiest country in the world, that sees itself as some kind of leading light to the whole world, contribute more to such an endeavour than other countries that are not as wealthy?
 
2020-08-09 9:31:12 AM  

moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: moulderx1: Night Train to Wakanda: schecter: ftfa - Trump accused the WHO of helping China "mislead the world" at the
beginning of the pandemic, which began in the Chinese city of Wuhan.

and again, every accusation is an admission

They did though.

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

They basically took China's word for what was happening.

Perhaps we could have been forewarned by our people in China at the time, except...
"
Separately, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the global relief program which had a role in helping China monitor and respond to outbreaks, also shut their Beijing offices on Trump's watch. Before the closures, each office was staffed by a U.S. official. In addition, the U.S. Department of Agriculture(USDA) transferred out of China in 2018 the manager of an animal disease monitoring program.
Reductions at the U.S. agencies sidelined health experts, scientists and other professionals who might have been able to help China mount an earlier response to the novel coronavirus, as well as provide the U.S. government with more information about what was coming, according to the people who spoke with Reuters"

This is about the WHOs failures. Not about the failures of American agency redundancies.

It's about the failure oftof US to trust, but verify.
If it was accessing adherence to nuclear weapons treaties....and information...you'd do it for Ronald Reagan.
No nation state will be 100% transparent when it comes to it's failures perceived or real.

What do you think the role of the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION is? Why would it be part of and controlled by the UN?

Shifting blame to American agencies is like blaming the kid who brought the ball for breaking the window instead of the kid who hit the ball.

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I'm not shifting blame to agencies, but to leadership.

Yes, and the leadership of the WHO politicized the Outbreak by not taking proper precautions and created the failure.

Everything else is irrelevant on this topic.

Well, I'm sure glad that's settled.


It's a fact. It happened. Trying to hit up the USDA of all organizations for pulling out of China as part of why the WHO is only partially to blame is laughable.

Your argument failed.
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2020-08-09 9:54:16 AM  

Night Train to Wakanda: numinous: What failures?

Asked about the correction, Antoine Flahault, co-director of the Swiss School of Public Health, told AFP: "It's a mistake. It's definitely a sizeable one... but I really think it's a mistake that has now been corrected".

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

How about this one?


Again, read the situation reports themselves. China was quarantining people two weeks before that 'correction'.

And you're worried about the difference between moderate risk and high risk? That was 01/28 and it didn't change a damn thing.

More likely their risk assessments early on were based on the expectation other countries would take the virus seriously; if every other country had reacted as well as China and actually followed proper medical protocol for a few weeks in january/February there would be no global pandemic.

Again, we know Europe and the US were letting all people return home without quarantine for months during this period.

But yeah the who is covering something up cus one of their updates should have yelled at you more with 'high' risk instead of 'moderate' risk. That was really gonna change people's minds...oh wait no one was reading those farking things anyway.
 
2020-08-09 9:58:01 AM  

fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."


The US stuff that would have lead to the early alerts on this isn't a blip on your graph and wasn't part of WHO and was also canned.
The US closed NAMRU-3  and NAMRU-2 which cost peanuts ($40m) but were there to find odd stuff out of Asia and Africa like COVID-19.  They moved 3 out of Cairo and did something else with 2.
 
2020-08-09 10:20:55 AM  

Bloonface: fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.

Yeah why would the wealthiest country in the world, that sees itself as some kind of leading light to the whole world, contribute more to such an endeavour than other countries that are not as wealthy?


We're $220 trillion in debt.

Our "wealth" is an abstract concept.
 
2020-08-09 10:24:03 AM  

numinous: Night Train to Wakanda: numinous: What failures?

Asked about the correction, Antoine Flahault, co-director of the Swiss School of Public Health, told AFP: "It's a mistake. It's definitely a sizeable one... but I really think it's a mistake that has now been corrected".

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

How about this one?

Again, read the situation reports themselves. China was quarantining people two weeks before that 'correction'.

And you're worried about the difference between moderate risk and high risk? That was 01/28 and it didn't change a damn thing.

More likely their risk assessments early on were based on the expectation other countries would take the virus seriously; if every other country had reacted as well as China and actually followed proper medical protocol for a few weeks in january/February there would be no global pandemic.

Again, we know Europe and the US were letting all people return home without quarantine for months during this period.

But yeah the who is covering something up cus one of their updates should have yelled at you more with 'high' risk instead of 'moderate' risk. That was really gonna change people's minds...oh wait no one was reading those farking things anyway.


This was probably the stupidest mistake made in the very beginning.  Trump keeps touting that he shut down travel from China.  But that is only partially true.  It still allowed Americans to travel home.  They were infected.  And even when the ban came down, there was a deadline, meaning, "if you want to come home do it now."  Which caused a mass travel panic where 1000s of infected people crowded into airports!!

And that wasn't even the worst of.  Because by that time, the virus was ALL OVER Europe, and 100,000s of people traveled from there!!
 
2020-08-09 10:33:39 AM  

fernt: Bloonface: fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.

Yeah why would the wealthiest country in the world, that sees itself as some kind of leading light to the whole world, contribute more to such an endeavour than other countries that are not as wealthy?

We're $220 trillion in debt.

Our "wealth" is an abstract concept.


We at Fark are happy to see you onboard with a sensible tax policy, taxing corporations and the richest at rates that will help pay down the debt. It seems Joseph R. Biden is your candidate.
 
2020-08-09 10:44:40 AM  

numinous: Night Train to Wakanda: numinous: What failures?

Asked about the correction, Antoine Flahault, co-director of the Swiss School of Public Health, told AFP: "It's a mistake. It's definitely a sizeable one... but I really think it's a mistake that has now been corrected".

https://www.sciencealert.com/who-tries​-to-correct-wuhan-coronavirus-risk-lev​el

How about this one?

Again, read the situation reports themselves. China was quarantining people two weeks before that 'correction'.

And you're worried about the difference between moderate risk and high risk? That was 01/28 and it didn't change a damn thing.

More likely their risk assessments early on were based on the expectation other countries would take the virus seriously; if every other country had reacted as well as China and actually followed proper medical protocol for a few weeks in january/February there would be no global pandemic.

Again, we know Europe and the US were letting all people return home without quarantine for months during this period.

But yeah the who is covering something up cus one of their updates should have yelled at you more with 'high' risk instead of 'moderate' risk. That was really gonna change people's minds...oh wait no one was reading those farking things anyway.


You and your "facts." So elitist! Now, that fella you're responding to, he seems like someone I could have a beer with. We're the kind of Americans who trust our guts, and we have no use for eggheads with "facts."
 
2020-08-09 10:51:10 AM  

fernt: Bloonface: fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.

Yeah why would the wealthiest country in the world, that sees itself as some kind of leading light to the whole world, contribute more to such an endeavour than other countries that are not as wealthy?

We're $220 trillion in debt.

Our "wealth" is an abstract concept.


All money is an abstract concept you dolt. Still doesn't change that the US is by any measure the wealthiest country in the world, not to mention the world's largest economy.
 
2020-08-09 10:53:05 AM  

fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.


Congratulations on the first time EVER being right!

upload.wikimedia.orgView Full Size
 
2020-08-09 10:54:24 AM  
So, I walked up to the President, with tears in my eyes (I'm a big, strong man, you understand) and I said to him, "Mr. President, you were right - this is too much winning, and I'm tired of all the winning. Could you stop winning for just a bit, so the rest of us can catch up?"
 
2020-08-09 10:58:21 AM  

Bloonface: fernt: Bloonface: fernt: Article headline:  "France and Germany pulled out of talks to reform the WHO because the US was trying to take control, according to a report"

Am I wrong in pointing out that the US has been paying more into WHO than any other country?

Oh look! I'm right:

[Fark user image 784x593]

"He Who Pays the Band Calls the Tune."

Fark France and Germany. France has just been leaving the tip and not a very generous one.

Yeah why would the wealthiest country in the world, that sees itself as some kind of leading light to the whole world, contribute more to such an endeavour than other countries that are not as wealthy?

We're $220 trillion in debt.

Our "wealth" is an abstract concept.

All money is an abstract concept you dolt.


My gold bullion is doing quite well.
 
2020-08-09 11:07:55 AM  
220 trillion?

24 trillion with a with a GNP that hovers around 20 trillion per years.

Did I miss something or has 2 scoop's hamberder consumption been causing a financial ruckus?
 
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