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2020-08-08 11:33:37 AM  
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Is Jason 'Mayhem' Miller even still alive?
 
2020-08-08 12:21:10 PM  
Good, now debate your way into announcing a running mate
/and do something about your middle name while you're at it
 
2020-08-08 12:41:54 PM  
I think everyone should remember that Jason Miller roofied his unsuspecting girlfriend with an abortion pill and she got really sick. Not only did he lie about it, but once the story went public he tried to unsuccessfully sue Splinter magazine who broke the story. The judge told him to fark right off because you can't sue when stuff is true.
 
2020-08-08 12:47:15 PM  
Vice Presidential Debate 2012: Joe Biden Laughs at Paul Ryan's 'Malarkey' on Foreign Policy
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2020-08-08 12:49:58 PM  
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2020-08-08 1:21:03 PM  
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2020-08-08 1:26:43 PM  
I thought why in hell you would decide to have that style of facial hair?  And then I imagined him clean shaven.  OMG The beard is supposed to make his face look less punchable, and it works. Come on Photoshop or Paint dudes.
 
2020-08-08 2:49:28 PM  
Of course he's a great debater. Remember back to his debate with Paul Ryan. Remember the nice Sunday stroll he took right through Ryan's ass.
 
2020-08-08 2:51:06 PM  
Jason Miller? Isn't that the guy who's head looks like a thu--

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Nevermind.
 
2020-08-08 2:51:39 PM  
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2020-08-08 2:52:12 PM  

Dahnkster: I think everyone should remember that Jason Miller roofied his unsuspecting girlfriend with an abortion pill and she got really sick. Not only did he lie about it, but once the story went public he tried to unsuccessfully sue Splinter magazine who broke the story. The judge told him to fark right off because you can't sue when stuff is true.


So what you're saying is that he's the perfect fit for the Trump campaign?
 
2020-08-08 2:56:04 PM  
Well, we all know Trump is a master-baiter.
 
2020-08-08 2:57:24 PM  

RasIanI: Well, we all know Trump is a master-baiter.


That orange turd hasn't had an erection in years.
 
2020-08-08 2:58:34 PM  
It amazes me seeing the red hats mock Biden for being senile and then they look at Trump and think everything is just fine with him.
 
2020-08-08 2:58:43 PM  
"I think their strategy will be to show up to one, show that he is able to function and then pull the plug on any additional debates."

And every damn time they have to try a stupid childish troll. Every. Damn. Time. Without. Fail.
 
2020-08-08 3:06:05 PM  
The truth is Trump refuses to debate Biden unless he get's to dictate the terms 100%, the host is Sean Hannity, he'll cut Joe's mike off within 5 seconds and then Donald will just prance around and howl like an orangutan on PCP like it's a demonstration of superiority. It's extremely predictable
 
2020-08-08 3:06:22 PM  

blastoh: [YouTube video: Vice Presidential Debate 2012: Joe Biden Laughs at Paul Ryan's 'Malarkey' on Foreign Policy]


bingo. he made mincemeat out of ryan.
I'm totally voting for biden, but frankly he's not there anymore. reason to pick an attacker ad v.p.?
 
2020-08-08 3:11:31 PM  
The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.
 
2020-08-08 3:11:42 PM  

RanHakubi: Of course he's a great debater. Remember back to his debate with Paul Ryan. Remember the nice Sunday stroll he took right through Ryan's ass.


Biden's a good debater for a specific kind of debate. He was poor in 2020 because the Democratic debates were unusually substantive, and Biden isn't Obama or Bill Clinton who can spend 15 minutes waxing poetic about the intricacies of your policy positions.

But general election debates aren't that. The people who are moved on policy have already made up their minds long ago. General election debates are about making people comfortable with the idea of you as president, and uncomfortable with the idea of your opponent. They're highly emotive; Reagan was always judged to have done well in debates because he looked the part and always came with solid canned lines. Biden's good in that format because he makes a bunch of faces that illustrate that the person he is debating is crazy (it helps that the person he is debating is always crazy).

It kinda sucks that's what it means to be good at debating, but you play the hand you're dealt.
 
2020-08-08 3:16:14 PM  
Trump thinks insulting people and being all racisty is debating.
 
2020-08-08 3:20:14 PM  
i remember his most recent debate where he lied his ass off about his record.

but, of course, i will be voting for byedon. even if i have to personally drown an anchor baby
 
2020-08-08 3:25:40 PM  
I have a feeling the Trump campaign knows that they've overhyped the debates as The Place Where Trump Shows His Skill and are now frantically trying to tamp down expectations, I'll bet Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan was the panic inducing moment when they realized any debate with Trump is a potential shiat storm for Dear Leader.
 
2020-08-08 3:27:14 PM  
Miller's hedging his bets. He's also a moron. He's Trumpian, in short.
 
2020-08-08 3:31:00 PM  

shastacola: I have a feeling the Trump campaign knows that they've overhyped the debates as The Place Where Trump Shows His Skill and are now frantically trying to tamp down expectations, I'll bet Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan was the panic inducing moment when they realized any debate with Trump is a potential shiat storm for Dear Leader.


Did any of these idiots pay attention in 2016? Hillary Clinton isn't a great debater: she knows her stuff, but has always been wooden in that format, and struggles to land convincing zingers. She still mopped the floor with Trump, and her lead prior to the first debate expanded from 3.1% (538 averages) to 6.4% after the last one. Had the Comey letter not happened, or if she had eked out MI/PA/WI anyway, it would be accepted truth that she won the presidency on those three nights.

And yet Trump's people seem to think that's his strength for some reason.
 
2020-08-08 3:33:57 PM  

Albino Squid: shastacola: I have a feeling the Trump campaign knows that they've overhyped the debates as The Place Where Trump Shows His Skill and are now frantically trying to tamp down expectations, I'll bet Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan was the panic inducing moment when they realized any debate with Trump is a potential shiat storm for Dear Leader.

Did any of these idiots pay attention in 2016? Hillary Clinton isn't a great debater: she knows her stuff, but has always been wooden in that format, and struggles to land convincing zingers. She still mopped the floor with Trump, and her lead prior to the first debate expanded from 3.1% (538 averages) to 6.4% after the last one. Had the Comey letter not happened, or if she had eked out MI/PA/WI anyway, it would be accepted truth that she won the presidency on those three nights.

And yet Trump's people seem to think that's his strength for some reason.


It was a lot easier for Trump to bloviate through debates as an outsider opposed to the incumbent, he's got real political baggage to answer for now. He won't get away with empty platitudes and promises this time.
 
2020-08-08 3:42:57 PM  

shastacola: Albino Squid: shastacola: I have a feeling the Trump campaign knows that they've overhyped the debates as The Place Where Trump Shows His Skill and are now frantically trying to tamp down expectations, I'll bet Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan was the panic inducing moment when they realized any debate with Trump is a potential shiat storm for Dear Leader.

Did any of these idiots pay attention in 2016? Hillary Clinton isn't a great debater: she knows her stuff, but has always been wooden in that format, and struggles to land convincing zingers. She still mopped the floor with Trump, and her lead prior to the first debate expanded from 3.1% (538 averages) to 6.4% after the last one. Had the Comey letter not happened, or if she had eked out MI/PA/WI anyway, it would be accepted truth that she won the presidency on those three nights.

And yet Trump's people seem to think that's his strength for some reason.

It was a lot easier for Trump to bloviate through debates as an outsider opposed to the incumbent, he's got real political baggage to answer for now. He won't get away with empty platitudes and promises this time.


And Biden can get away with saying things like "what was that bunch of malarkey? It didn't make sense, you can't even speak in complete sentences."
 
2020-08-08 3:52:46 PM  

Dahnkster: I think everyone should remember that Jason Miller roofied his unsuspecting girlfriend with an abortion pill and she got really sick. Not only did he lie about it, but once the story went public he tried to unsuccessfully sue Splinter magazine who broke the story. The judge told him to fark right off because you can't sue when stuff is true.


the worst farking human beings.
 
2020-08-08 3:56:07 PM  
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Go away, Debatin'!
 
2020-08-08 4:10:18 PM  
I guess there clever plan of trying to portray Biden as a mentally challenged invalid has some unexpected downsides, particularly when this mentally challenged invalid trounces Trump in all three debates.
 
2020-08-08 4:15:40 PM  
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2020-08-08 4:32:38 PM  
 
2020-08-08 4:44:51 PM  
After Trump's ramblings during the Coronavirus meetings. These debates should have a great highlight reel.
 
2020-08-08 4:46:47 PM  

hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.


This is what I was looking for. Miller is following classic debate prep tactics.

I could see Trump campaign wanting a fourth debate in hoping Biden gaffs or stutters then the CNNs and Chuck Todd's spend weeks talking about his possible cognitive decline.
 
2020-08-08 4:54:18 PM  
I dunno man. I'm really worried about Biden's cognitive decline being exposed up on that debate stage. Especially against that sharp as a tack Trump. He obviously has it all together in a way Biden just doesn't anymore.

One thing is for sure, if Trump somehow manages to actually lose to Biden, that would have to be viewed as a catastrophic defeat for him. How can you possibly lose a debate to a literal Alzheimer's victim like Biden? His cabinet would be fully justified in immediately declaring him unable to fulfill the duties of office, and putting Pence in charge until after the election.
 
2020-08-08 5:19:24 PM  

hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.


This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.
 
2020-08-08 5:19:47 PM  

Skyfrog: It amazes me seeing the red hats mock Biden for being senile and then they look at Trump and think everything is just fine with him.


They aren't honest. Almost ever.
 
2020-08-08 5:28:30 PM  

mongbiohazard: hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.

This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.


Biden kicked the crap out of both Palin and Ryan in the VP debates.
 
2020-08-08 5:29:26 PM  

mongbiohazard: hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.

This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.


The problem with debating trump is that he won't debate; he is just there to argue. He will ignore the rules and lie and insult his way through the entire thing. On top of that, even if he makes a complete fool out of himself his cultists will still declare him the winner and crow about how he crushed Biden (see: every news conference where trump steps on his dick).

Having said that, I do think Biden has what it takes to take Mumbles McSniffles to the woodshed.
 
2020-08-08 5:46:11 PM  

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Better version of the same debate:
2012 Vice Presidential Debate - SNL
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2020-08-08 6:19:19 PM  
biden will come out and want to do a push up contest. At that point he should be put out to pasture.
 
2020-08-08 6:20:47 PM  
What's the over/under for Biden saying the word "bullshiat" during a debate?
 
2020-08-08 6:27:50 PM  

LockeOak: What's the over/under for Biden saying the word "bullshiat" during a debate?


Dunno, but "malarky" is even odds.
 
2020-08-08 6:34:50 PM  

Vermithrax Perjorative: mongbiohazard: hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.

This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.

The problem with debating trump is that he won't debate; he is just there to argue. He will ignore the rules and lie and insult his way through the entire thing. On top of that, even if he makes a complete fool out of himself his cultists will still declare him the winner and crow about how he crushed Biden (see: every news conference where trump steps on his dick).

Having said that, I do think Biden has what it takes to take Mumbles McSniffles to the woodshed.


Biden has 40+ years of experience doing it, and 4 years of watching other people deal with Trump and Trump get baited, step on his own dick, and flail around.

The absolute biggest dick stepping will have been pushing so hard with the "Biden is senile" crap leading up to this. They've pre-lowered the expectations for Biden, and pre-raised them and the stakes (even more than they naturally are for an incumbent) for Trump. Biden doesn't even have to dominate him the way I'm aware he can to come out looking ahead. He can fark up, seem to just be better but not rhetorically rip Trump's head off, and have won the debate.

Unfortunately for Team Trump, and fortunately for Team America, they'd have a really hard time positioning their candidate as more of an underdog in a debate with Biden. Since his whole deal is 100% empty bravado and bluster he kinda has to pretend to be in a stronger position than he is and be set up to disappoint.

This isn't going to work for him like things worked last time. Decent chance he makes excuses/BS to either not debate or he drops out after one. But Biden will NOT be a debate opponent that is easy for Trump to manage.
 
2020-08-08 7:57:55 PM  
If you think Biden is some sort of master debater, then you didn't see him during the primary.

He was the most out-of-touch and least-prepared person on stage, across all debates. Inslee and Yang did better than him.
 
2020-08-08 8:42:23 PM  

Phins: shastacola: Albino Squid: shastacola: I have a feeling the Trump campaign knows that they've overhyped the debates as The Place Where Trump Shows His Skill and are now frantically trying to tamp down expectations, I'll bet Trump's interview with Jonathan Swan was the panic inducing moment when they realized any debate with Trump is a potential shiat storm for Dear Leader.

Did any of these idiots pay attention in 2016? Hillary Clinton isn't a great debater: she knows her stuff, but has always been wooden in that format, and struggles to land convincing zingers. She still mopped the floor with Trump, and her lead prior to the first debate expanded from 3.1% (538 averages) to 6.4% after the last one. Had the Comey letter not happened, or if she had eked out MI/PA/WI anyway, it would be accepted truth that she won the presidency on those three nights.

And yet Trump's people seem to think that's his strength for some reason.

It was a lot easier for Trump to bloviate through debates as an outsider opposed to the incumbent, he's got real political baggage to answer for now. He won't get away with empty platitudes and promises this time.

And Biden can get away with saying things like "what was that bunch of malarkey? It didn't make sense, you can't even speak in complete sentences."


That would be awesome if biden said something along those lines.
 
2020-08-08 10:26:46 PM  

mongbiohazard: Vermithrax Perjorative: mongbiohazard: hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.

This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.

The problem with debating trump is that he won't debate; he is just there to argue. He will ignore the rules and lie and insult his way through the entire thing. On top of that, even if he makes a complete fool out of himself his cultists will still declare him the winner and crow about how he crushed Biden (see: every news conference where trump steps on his dick).

Having said that, I do think Biden has what it takes to take Mumbles McSniffles to the woodshed.

Biden has 40+ years of experience doing it, and 4 years of watching other people deal with Trump and Trump get baited, step on his own dick, and flail around.

The absolute biggest dick stepping will have been pushing so hard with the "Biden is senile" crap leading up to this. They've pre-lowered the expectations for Biden, and pre-raised them and the stakes (even more than they naturally are for an incumbent) for Trump. Biden doesn't even have to dominate him the way I'm aware he can to come out looking ahead. He can fark up, seem to just be better but not rhetorically rip Trump's head off, and have won the debate.

Unfortunately for Team Trump, and fortunately for Team America, they'd have a really hard time positioning their candidate as more of an underdog in a debate with Biden. Since his whole deal is 100% empty bravado and bluster he kinda has to pretend to be in a stronger position than he is and be set up to disappoint.

This isn't going to work for him like things worked last time. Decent chance he makes excuses/BS to either not debate or he drops out after one. But Biden will NOT be a debate opponent that is easy for Trump to manage.


I still say Biden's biggest challenge in any debate (especially the first one) will be keeping his temper in check. Trump will not only come at him with wave after wave of BS, but also personal insults like shots at Biden's kid or "he wants to hurt God" cracks.
 
2020-08-09 12:46:06 AM  

bluejeansonfire: If you think Biden is some sort of master debater, then you didn't see him during the primary.

He was the most out-of-touch and least-prepared person on stage, across all debates. Inslee and Yang did better than him.


And yet, after more than a dozen of them, Bidern turned out the victor.

See, here's the thing. Debates aren't won by who comes out with the best zinger. They're won by who people end up feeling most comfortable with. And that non-edgy persona Biden comes out with does the trick nearly every time.
 
2020-08-09 2:25:54 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: mongbiohazard: Vermithrax Perjorative: mongbiohazard: hawcian: The prevailing wisdom surrounding debates is all about "expectations." If the media thinks you suck at debating, and your opponent is pretty good, you get a media boost just by not getting mercilessly ground into a fine powder. Your opponent, meanwhile, has to somehow come across as even more masterful then expected.

Trumpworld, as usual, has managed to screw themselves over by pumping up the "Biden is a scared, senile old man" narrative, because now Biden merely has to show up and speak like a normal human being and he will beat expectations. This is the panicked reaction of a team Trump member suddenly realizing what they've been doing for two months.

This.

Plus, I've listened to years of Biden debating and questioning in the Senate. He's truly good at it, with loads of practice. Biden is a fundamentally different debater than Hillary. It won't play out the same way as last time.

I think Trump knows this, but he won't admit it. Some of the folks around Trump know it, even if the true cultists and dullards don't.

The problem with debating trump is that he won't debate; he is just there to argue. He will ignore the rules and lie and insult his way through the entire thing. On top of that, even if he makes a complete fool out of himself his cultists will still declare him the winner and crow about how he crushed Biden (see: every news conference where trump steps on his dick).

Having said that, I do think Biden has what it takes to take Mumbles McSniffles to the woodshed.

Biden has 40+ years of experience doing it, and 4 years of watching other people deal with Trump and Trump get baited, step on his own dick, and flail around.

The absolute biggest dick stepping will have been pushing so hard with the "Biden is senile" crap leading up to this. They've pre-lowered the expectations for Biden, and pre-raised them and the stakes (even more than they naturally are for an incumbent) for Trump. Biden doesn't even have to dominate him the way I'm aware he can to come out looking ahead. He can fark up, seem to just be better but not rhetorically rip Trump's head off, and have won the debate.

Unfortunately for Team Trump, and fortunately for Team America, they'd have a really hard time positioning their candidate as more of an underdog in a debate with Biden. Since his whole deal is 100% empty bravado and bluster he kinda has to pretend to be in a stronger position than he is and be set up to disappoint.

This isn't going to work for him like things worked last time. Decent chance he makes excuses/BS to either not debate or he drops out after one. But Biden will NOT be a debate opponent that is easy for Trump to manage.

I still say Biden's biggest challenge in any debate (especially the first one) will be keeping his temper in check. Trump will not only come at him with wave after wave of BS, but also personal insults like shots at Biden's kid or "he wants to hurt God" cracks.


Do you really think Biden isn't expecting that? Do you think it's going to be the first time in 46 years anyone has ever tried that shiat on him? Biden isn't a beginner.

I don't know if Biden is at the top of the list of worst possible debate opponents for Trump, but I know he's ranked on it somewhere high.
 
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