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2020-08-08 8:33:13 AM  
Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.
 
2020-08-08 9:35:47 AM  
That's how it starts. Next thing you know, whole planet is on a cob

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2020-08-08 9:36:33 AM  
I tried to elote once, but her daddy caught us before we could get away.

:-(
 
2020-08-08 9:44:28 AM  
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2020-08-08 10:08:31 AM  

jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.


They sell elotes at Traders Village outside Houston.  Fortunately the mayo is optional, because its sitting out in that hot Texas sun for hours.

I dont know how those people aren't dropping like flies. Must've developed an immunity or something.
 
2020-08-08 10:24:54 AM  
A Yamhill County Environmental Health specialist approached him last week, informing him the state Health Authority required him to have a permit and meet regulations in order to operate his cart, called MigElotes.
Miguel, who has a food service card, said the woman told him it will cost him $1,415 to resume selling corn on the cob with assorted toppings.



Yeah, even though the kid's intentions are good food borne diseases and illnesses really don't give a fark if you're raising money to help the poor or working on your third summer mansion.
 
2020-08-08 10:52:34 AM  
Mmmm elote
 
2020-08-08 11:30:31 AM  
He should switch to esquites ....mmmmm
 
2020-08-08 12:06:32 PM  
I expect all the right wing nut bags to show up armed and put a stop to this tyranny at any moment
 
2020-08-08 12:09:02 PM  
So again tell me how the Republican Party loves free enterprise
 
2020-08-08 12:10:58 PM  
One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.
 
2020-08-08 12:11:01 PM  
Did they not have a cold box? The page isn't loading right on my phone?

Either way street food is awesome and i wish there was more of it near me
 
2020-08-08 12:12:04 PM  
I love me some elotes, but food safety rules don't fark around.

If they're not shutting down other stands run by white kids, we have a problem, but as it stands this is "unfortunate but so is diarhhea"
 
2020-08-08 12:15:15 PM  
Health regulations are imperative and non-negotiable. Without health regulations, we would all be at risk.

But has an application fee over $1,000 got to do with health? Absolutely nothing. This is an anti-competition regulation trojan horsed in under the guise of health regulation. It has been slipped in by "small government" capitalist "free market" supporters.

There's a certain strain of"small government," capitalist, free market supporters who are all about supporting their principles so long as a government boot in on another man's neck, the capital is disproportionately held by them and theirs and disproportionately flows to them and theirs, and those "free" markets are forever tilted in their favor.

God forbid the working class should ever be allowed to work their way from beneath that boot because that would be "socialism."
 
2020-08-08 12:15:29 PM  

TuckFrump: So again tell me how the Republican Party loves free enterprise


Huh? This is Oregon, pretty much run by Democrats, as is the city where this took place and the region.
 
2020-08-08 12:16:30 PM  

Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.


I'm confused - are you suggesting he should be allowed to not adhere to food safety practices as long as he tells his customers he isn't?
 
2020-08-08 12:18:19 PM  

jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.


1. We've all been to picnics where the mayonnaise sat out for hours without killing anyone.
2. His Mom likely has a refrigerator in the house. It's doubtful he's leaving perishables out over night.
3. He may be keeping the bolded items in a cooler or ice chest just as you do when you go to the beach and manage to eat a snack without killing yourself.
 
2020-08-08 12:18:47 PM  

gilgigamesh: jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.

They sell elotes at Traders Village outside Houston.  Fortunately the mayo is optional, because its sitting out in that hot Texas sun for hours.

I dont know how those people aren't dropping like flies. Must've developed an immunity or something.


I worked in Mexico for a good while, the stuff that goes unrefrigerated is amazing.  After five months of crapping in a Home Depot bucket I carried around my factory I could eat anything they had to offer and not worry about it. I used to walk past a stand that had no refrigeration every morning. They would be prepping chicken, with the chickens just laying out in the sun. I was told that's why the food is spicy, but I like spicy and it didn't save me for five months.
 
2020-08-08 12:20:10 PM  
The question should be, will the food be any different if he has the $1400 permit?

People are carrying on about the need for refrigeration and so on; but nowhere does it say his food prep is at issue, just that he didn't pay the city for the right to do business.

A permit does not mean the food is any safer, only that the city got its money.
 
2020-08-08 12:21:15 PM  
Ah, the semi-annual Fark article about mean cops shutting down lemonade stands (or whatever).
 
2020-08-08 12:22:27 PM  

Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.


No, the customers should NOT assume the risk.

Any genuine threat to health should be addressed. Is the mayo sitting in the hot sun? Make him keep it on ice. Is he wiping his nose with the palm of his hand while preparing food? Make him create a water hose based hand washing station with soap and make him buy a cheap box of gloves.

None of that requires charging him over $1,000 to sell roasted corn.
 
2020-08-08 12:24:24 PM  
You think it's funny? LOOK AT WHAT CAN HAPPEN!
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2020-08-08 12:26:14 PM  

jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.


You generally don't need to refrigerate cheese (except for a few very soft cheeses). That's actually the entire point of cheese in the first place. The amount of salt alone in cotija is more than enough to keep it safe at room temp.
 
2020-08-08 12:32:51 PM  

pueblonative: A Yamhill County Environmental Health specialist approached him last week, informing him the state Health Authority required him to have a permit and meet regulations in order to operate his cart, called MigElotes.
Miguel, who has a food service card, said the woman told him it will cost him $1,415 to resume selling corn on the cob with assorted toppings.


Yeah, even though the kid's intentions are good food borne diseases and illnesses really don't give a fark if you're raising money to help the poor or working on your third summer mansion.


Well, it should also be a lot cheaper to get licenses (whether you're a kid or not).  Some of the blame for why it's so damn expensive for everything the state does is the mantra of "tax cuts hurrrr" that's been driving the Republican party for the past forty years.  With taxes lowered, states make up the revenue by charging an arm and a leg for any government service, like food licensing.  For all their claim to love entrepreneurship, they love rich entrepreneurs, not poor ones.

My father used to run an apiary as a hobby, and with all the fees it takes to legally sell a food product, the best he ever hoped for was breaking even (meaning his time was completely uncompensated).
 
2020-08-08 12:34:17 PM  
I never figured out how you could make corn on the cob better until I tried elote.
 
2020-08-08 12:34:40 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.

I'm confused - are you suggesting he should be allowed to not adhere to food safety practices as long as he tells his customers he isn't?


So you're saying we should ban cigarettes?
Great!

/for his case I'd reduce fees but increase penalties
//of course after vendors get licenses
///which he does. I hope he keeps his entrepreneurial spirit
 
2020-08-08 12:34:52 PM  

jasonvatch: this is a risk of salmonella.


Street food is like "Oh hi, you've heard of us. Cool. I'm gon' rip through your butt."
 
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2020-08-08 12:36:14 PM  
Did they tell him to get that corn outta my face?
 
2020-08-08 12:36:19 PM  
As long as it's not huitlacoche.

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The blue waffles of corn.
 
2020-08-08 12:36:24 PM  
Back in college, I had a nice custom t-shirt side business. One of the popular items was a t-shirt I designed, with the TV show COPS logo on the front chest and, on the back, it listed all the notorious off-campus party houses (like a tour shirt list of venues, but with names like "Detox," "The Dungeon," "804" and "The Palace," etc.) and then, for the ones that had been raided by the police at some point, I printed a big red BUSTED over the name. Then, in big bold print above it said: "Bad Boys, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?"

I would take a bunch in my backpack and sell them to my fellow students between classes hanging out at the student union and later downtown after the bars let out.

One night, I was out in front of The Rox Bar after close selling shirts and I feel a firm tap on my shoulder. I turn around and there are two burly cops standing there...

Me: "Yes, officer? Is something wrong?"

Cop 1: "What are you doing? Where did you get those shirts?"

Me: "Officer, look, I'm just going to come clean here. I'm a broke college student. I printed up a few of these to sell to help pay for school. It's not a huge business. It's just something to help make ends meet. That's the truth. I'm sorry."

Cop 1: "Mm-hmm. I see. Wait here. Do not go anywhere."

At this point the two cops move just out of earshot. I'm about to crap my pants - I didn't have the licensing rights for COPS, I didn't have a permit to sell anything, I was underage and pretty drunk, etc. I see them talking intently about something and one of the cops writing something in his notebook.

Then, they came back...

Cop 1: "Thanks for not taking off. My partner and I had to discuss how we're going to handle this."

Me: "Guys, seriously, I'm done. I won't do this agai..."

Cop 1: "Hey, relax...can we get five dozen of those shirts?"

Cop 2: "Yeah, they're pretty sweet and we want to include them in the gift bags for the precinct Christmas party in a few weeks. How much would that cost?"

Me: "Uh. Sure. Yeah, man, no problem. I even have a volume discount." [nervous laughter]."

So, a week later I dropped off the shirts at the police station and they paid me cash on the spot. Up until I got home, I still thought it was part of an undercover sting operation to bring down my t-shirt empire.
 
2020-08-08 12:40:27 PM  

gilgigamesh: I dont know how those people aren't dropping like flies. Must've developed an immunity or something.


They're not dropping like flies because Salmonella doesn't magically appear in any and every food item you leave out of the fridge for longer than restaurant sanitation guidelines recommend.

Refrigeration is just one in a series of highly effective regulations designed to make food safe.  If any of the other practices in the chain were adhered to, you'll be fine without it for a lot of food items that are considered perishable.

The reason for the very strict, multi-tiered regulations is that people are stupid, fearful, and have no idea how to evaluate risk, so even tiny, statistically insignificant outbreaks of contamination can cause widespread panic.

The truth is, with all of the factory regs for disinfecting eggshells and preservatives in it, an open jar of Hellman's mayo left out in the hot sun for a day is many orders of magnitude less likely to make you sick than some unwashed/poorly washed organic produce you bought at a farmer's market.  But everyone's afraid of the mayo, because a magic refrigerator wasn't involved.
 
2020-08-08 12:41:47 PM  

bughunter: As long as it's not huitlacoche.

[cdn.kqed.org image 850x1134]

The blue waffles of corn.


What an amazing fungus.
 
2020-08-08 12:49:56 PM  

bughunter: As long as it's not huitlacoche.

[cdn.kqed.org image 850x1134]

The blue waffles of corn.


You shut your whore mouth. Hutlacoche (when canned), is actually amazing. I make soups and tacos w/ it all the time, but only can get the decent stuff from my mother-in-law in Pachuca. Heck, even the Idaho potato site has recipes for it....

/I know, stop liking what you don't like, etc...
 
2020-08-08 12:50:40 PM  

robodog: Huh? This is Oregon, pretty much run by Democrats, as is the city where this took place and the region.


The Portland Metro area, and Eugene are very liberal and where the bulk of the population is centered. However, outside of those areas, Oregon is redneck central.

The city this took place in has been called "Hickminnville" by some of us locals for a reason, and Yamhill county is very much Trump country.

/Oregon resident
 
2020-08-08 12:53:27 PM  

jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.


I make it at it in the comfort at my home. When in Mexico, always tread carefully w/ street food. Even my Mexican friend who lives in Mexico City, got food poisoning after we hit a party. (I got lucky).
 
2020-08-08 12:54:43 PM  
Oh wow, my neighborhood just made the front page. I live down the street from this kid. He has a lot of local support. I think the main reason he got shut down is the newspaper here has been running a story on him and giving him so much publicity that they were pretty much daring the health department to say something.

My wife just looked, and he has a GoFundMe up that has already raised the cost of the permit.

/gave him $20
//gonna buy some elotes when he gets back up and running
///mmm...elotes
 
2020-08-08 1:03:27 PM  
I came up with a really good joke reading this article but decided it was too corny.
 
2020-08-08 1:04:12 PM  

Bruscar: Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.

No, the customers should NOT assume the risk.

Any genuine threat to health should be addressed. Is the mayo sitting in the hot sun? Make him keep it on ice. Is he wiping his nose with the palm of his hand while preparing food? Make him create a water hose based hand washing station with soap and make him buy a cheap box of gloves.

None of that requires charging him over $1,000 to sell roasted corn.


Welcome to the world of business regulations.
 
2020-08-08 1:10:22 PM  
I had to mow lawns in the summer to make money. In Florida. With a push mower. It was torture

I mean, good for the kid trying to earn his money, but as mentioned above some of that stuff requires refrigeration and needs to be monitored.

/cook
//we check our cooler temps twice per day minimum for food safety
///cause three
 
2020-08-08 1:10:23 PM  

Bruscar: jasonvatch: Ingredients
1/4 cup (60ml) mayonnaise
1/4 cup (60ml) sour cream or Mexican crema
1/2 cup (110g) finely crumbled Cotija or feta cheese, plus more for serving
1/2 teaspoon ancho or guajillo chili powder, plus more for serving
1 medium clove garlic, finely minced (about 1 teaspoon)
1/4 cup finely chopped cilantro leaves and tender stems
4 ears shucked corn
1 lime, cut into wedges

Bold items require refrigeration for safety. There are other issues as well. This is not just a pitcher of lemonade; this is a risk of salmonella.

1. We've all been to picnics where the mayonnaise sat out for hours without killing anyone.
2. His Mom likely has a refrigerator in the house. It's doubtful he's leaving perishables out over night.
3. He may be keeping the bolded items in a cooler or ice chest just as you do when you go to the beach and manage to eat a snack without killing yourself.


The elotes street cart in my neighborhood is mostly cold box and perishables are on ice. When we hear his cart coming everything stops and we all run out and stand at the curb, he works his way down to us. It's like a street party only with social distancing.
 
2020-08-08 1:13:33 PM  

robodog: TuckFrump: So again tell me how the Republican Party loves free enterprise

Huh? This is Oregon, pretty much run by Democrats, as is the city where this took place and the region.


Yamhill County was 50.1% for Trump in 2016. 41.3% for Clinton, 6.5% for Gary Johnson.
 
2020-08-08 1:16:14 PM  

halifaxdatageek: I love me some elotes, but food safety rules don't fark around.

If they're not shutting down other stands run by white kids, we have a problem, but as it stands this is "unfortunate but so is diarhhea"


How many white kids run elotes carts?
 
2020-08-08 1:16:26 PM  

mrparks: bughunter: As long as it's not huitlacoche.

[cdn.kqed.org image 850x1134]

The blue waffles of corn.

What an amazing fungus.


That's what Stormy said.
 
2020-08-08 1:17:36 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Back in college, I had a nice custom t-shirt side business. One of the popular items was a t-shirt I designed, with the TV show COPS logo on the front chest and, on the back, it listed all the notorious off-campus party houses (like a tour shirt list of venues, but with names like "Detox," "The Dungeon," "804" and "The Palace," etc.) and then, for the ones that had been raided by the police at some point, I printed a big red BUSTED over the name. Then, in big bold print above it said: "Bad Boys, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?"

I would take a bunch in my backpack and sell them to my fellow students between classes hanging out at the student union and later downtown after the bars let out.

One night, I was out in front of The Rox Bar after close selling shirts and I feel a firm tap on my shoulder. I turn around and there are two burly cops standing there...

Me: "Yes, officer? Is something wrong?"

Cop 1: "What are you doing? Where did you get those shirts?"

Me: "Officer, look, I'm just going to come clean here. I'm a broke college student. I printed up a few of these to sell to help pay for school. It's not a huge business. It's just something to help make ends meet. That's the truth. I'm sorry."

Cop 1: "Mm-hmm. I see. Wait here. Do not go anywhere."

At this point the two cops move just out of earshot. I'm about to crap my pants - I didn't have the licensing rights for COPS, I didn't have a permit to sell anything, I was underage and pretty drunk, etc. I see them talking intently about something and one of the cops writing something in his notebook.

Then, they came back...

Cop 1: "Thanks for not taking off. My partner and I had to discuss how we're going to handle this."

Me: "Guys, seriously, I'm done. I won't do this agai..."

Cop 1: "Hey, relax...can we get five dozen of those shirts?"

Cop 2: "Yeah, they're pretty sweet and we want to include them in the gift bags for the precinct Christmas party in a few weeks. How much would that cost?"

Me: "Uh. Sure. Yeah, man, no problem. I even have a volume discount." [nervous laughter]."

So, a week later I dropped off the shirts at the police station and they paid me cash on the spot. Up until I got home, I still thought it was part of an undercover sting operation to bring down my t-shirt empire.


CSB

No, seriously. That was a cool story. Nice to see cops with some sense of humor. I'm also assuming you are white though. Might have gone differently if not.
 
2020-08-08 1:20:05 PM  

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class: Oh wow, my neighborhood just made the front page. I live down the street from this kid. He has a lot of local support. I think the main reason he got shut down is the newspaper here has been running a story on him and giving him so much publicity that they were pretty much daring the health department to say something.

My wife just looked, and he has a GoFundMe up that has already raised the cost of the permit.

/gave him $20
//gonna buy some elotes when he gets back up and running
///mmm...elotes


Haha, good times. Eat one for me.
 
2020-08-08 1:20:56 PM  

robodog: TuckFrump: So again tell me how the Republican Party loves free enterprise

Huh? This is Oregon, pretty much run by Democrats, as is the city where this took place and the region.


Haha you've never been there.
 
2020-08-08 1:22:21 PM  
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Obvious another food cart or restaurant snitched on him.
(my food cart is a covid casualty, so i'm not sympathetic)

Get permitted, please. Don't get people sick.

$1425 is ridiculously high for a permit.
 
2020-08-08 1:25:04 PM  

Bruscar: Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.

No, the customers should NOT assume the risk.

Any genuine threat to health should be addressed. Is the mayo sitting in the hot sun? Make him keep it on ice. Is he wiping his nose with the palm of his hand while preparing food? Make him create a water hose based hand washing station with soap and make him buy a cheap box of gloves.

None of that requires charging him over $1,000 to sell roasted corn.


What does the permit to establish proof that all of those things where done cost?
 
2020-08-08 1:25:50 PM  

TuckFrump: So again tell me how the Republican Party loves free enterprise


He was shut down by a County Environmental Health specialist.
In all fairness any government agency with the word "Environmental" in it is always on the Republican chopping block.

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2020-08-08 1:26:37 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Esroc: One could argue that he should have the right to sell just like his customers should have the right to take the risk if they want. At worst make him put up a sign warning people.

But we've always had a loose definition of freedom in this country so I guess keep on keeping on.

I'm confused - are you suggesting he should be allowed to not adhere to food safety practices as long as he tells his customers he isn't?


What? No. If his food is nasty kick him to the curb. But if worrying if the mayo may or may not possibly be on point isn't a valid excuse to shut him down. You people always dealing with extremes nobody is implying and that's why nobody wants to have an actual conversation anymore.
 
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