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2020-08-08 8:34:22 AM  
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2020-08-08 8:42:24 AM  
I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.

The industry IS facing a trial right now, but most of the joints that are facing closure would be facing it this year or the next. This is more a lifeline to those who rent properties and to distributors who are looking at the loss of a good chunk of clients, as opposed to the cyclical nature of closures.

People like eating socially. We are social apes. It's a bonding structure that has lashed humans together since we banded together in troops, and then by larger tribes. It's not going away, especially not with folks out there that can cook and organize meeting places nicer than Steve's deck, or Melody's living room and her sh*tty cheese platters.

Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?
 
2020-08-08 10:11:52 AM  
Humanity and viruses have evolved together for eons, Subby.  Restaurants are still here, and they aren't going anywhere.   Well, the concept, anyway.
 
2020-08-08 10:16:39 AM  
The group launched a new TV ad starring Morgan Freeman, aimed at urging Congress to help these restaurants survive the coronavirus pandemic.

Free titty sprinkles with every order
 
2020-08-08 10:41:48 AM  

gilgigamesh: Humanity and viruses have evolved together for eons, Subby.  Restaurants are still here, and they aren't going anywhere.   Well, the concept, anyway.



Probably be around as long as inexperienced young adults thinking every social change they experience is a unique, monumental shift in the course of humanity.
 
2020-08-08 11:11:44 AM  
The sad thing is the good ones will be hit hard but PF Chang's, Chili's, and all the Crap food will be fine thanks to the corporate Welfare they received over the years. We have to stop socializing losses while privatizing profits at some point.
 
2020-08-08 11:24:59 AM  

hubiestubert: I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.

The industry IS facing a trial right now, but most of the joints that are facing closure would be facing it this year or the next. This is more a lifeline to those who rent properties and to distributors who are looking at the loss of a good chunk of clients, as opposed to the cyclical nature of closures.

People like eating socially. We are social apes. It's a bonding structure that has lashed humans together since we banded together in troops, and then by larger tribes. It's not going away, especially not with folks out there that can cook and organize meeting places nicer than Steve's deck, or Melody's living room and her sh*tty cheese platters.

Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?


So very much this.  I mean, I personally think that our dining habits *will* change from this, but not by eliminating restaurants - we're going to see a slight uptick on eating out, a slight uptick on cooking at home, and that's about it.  The bigger change is from how we use other services - for example, I almost always just get my groceries delivered now, and when I don't I just do pickup.
 
2020-08-08 11:28:03 AM  
FTFA:"We're not going to take this money and pocket it. We're not going to pay bonuses to executives. We're not going to buy back stock. This money will get out there in the community."

Not paying executive bonuses or buying back stock? Good luck making that idea fly with the government.
 
2020-08-08 11:33:39 AM  

arrogantbastich: [Fark user image 425x542]


I mean that has nothing to do with helping the millions of people whos lives depend on a functioning restaurant industry but you get to feel smug and arrogant so cheers

Is it wrong to wish for the elimination of the tipped wage and tips in general as a condition to them getting the help they want?
 
2020-08-08 11:42:15 AM  
Subby sucks at both analogies and root cause analysis.
 
2020-08-08 11:44:18 AM  

hubiestubert: I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.

The industry IS facing a trial right now, but most of the joints that are facing closure would be facing it this year or the next. This is more a lifeline to those who rent properties and to distributors who are looking at the loss of a good chunk of clients, as opposed to the cyclical nature of closures.

People like eating socially. We are social apes. It's a bonding structure that has lashed humans together since we banded together in troops, and then by larger tribes. It's not going away, especially not with folks out there that can cook and organize meeting places nicer than Steve's deck, or Melody's living room and her sh*tty cheese platters.

Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?


You see, Farkers try believe that life before 2020 will never return. We are headed for Mad Max territory. They will believe nothing else.
 
2020-08-08 12:02:19 PM  
Things will go back to normal. The virus will fade away. Just not right now.

Patience weehopper.
 
2020-08-08 12:13:23 PM  
Applebee's, Olive Garden and McDonald's are going to get 90% of that money.
 
2020-08-08 12:15:12 PM  
maybe they should smile more.  might get more tips

Planet Money or Freakanomics had an interesting show on a restaurant owner retooling his restaurant to adapt to the times.  says he is doing well with plans to expand.

have to wait and see.  He sounded like every business person who only sees dollars everywhere to be made, over-optimistic-extrapolation.
 
2020-08-08 12:37:52 PM  

Hyjamon: might get more tips


Why Tipping Should Be Banned - Adam Ruins Everything
Youtube q_vivC7c_1k
 
2020-08-08 12:43:51 PM  

bfh0417: hubiestubert: I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.

The industry IS facing a trial right now, but most of the joints that are facing closure would be facing it this year or the next. This is more a lifeline to those who rent properties and to distributors who are looking at the loss of a good chunk of clients, as opposed to the cyclical nature of closures.

People like eating socially. We are social apes. It's a bonding structure that has lashed humans together since we banded together in troops, and then by larger tribes. It's not going away, especially not with folks out there that can cook and organize meeting places nicer than Steve's deck, or Melody's living room and her sh*tty cheese platters.

Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?

You see, Farkers try believe that life before 2020 will never return. We are headed for Mad Max territory. They will believe nothing else.


and some people believe that nothing has changed since 2019...
 
2020-08-08 12:44:05 PM  
If only we hadn't sent all the jobs to China for slave labor.
It is ironic that a COVID-19 kills the only industry we have left. The service industry.
 
2020-08-08 12:44:22 PM  

hubiestubert: I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.

The industry IS facing a trial right now, but most of the joints that are facing closure would be facing it this year or the next. This is more a lifeline to those who rent properties and to distributors who are looking at the loss of a good chunk of clients, as opposed to the cyclical nature of closures.

People like eating socially. We are social apes. It's a bonding structure that has lashed humans together since we banded together in troops, and then by larger tribes. It's not going away, especially not with folks out there that can cook and organize meeting places nicer than Steve's deck, or Melody's living room and her sh*tty cheese platters.

Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?


Local governments play a huge role for this industry.  Allow restaurants to move outside into parking lots and take over sidewalks.  Temporarily extend their liquor licenses to allow outdoor sales.  Ensure seating is spaced out enough.
 
2020-08-08 1:03:58 PM  
I used to feel guilty about ordering takeaway from a dine-in place. Like getting wings to go from Applebees. First, why would I think that's a good idea, the 3 hours of beer first is what makes it palatable.

You tip a bit because someone has to take it from the kitchen and pack it up, usually wait staff. But I'm not tipping the same as someone who did things for me for 3 hours, vs. packing up for takeaway.

Getting a bunch of stuff and bringing it home just isn't the same, unless you can make it better like the Taco Bell taco bar thing. Cheaper to do the same thing yourself, but convenient and much better than just having a pile of pre-made tacos. Kŷdos to them for trying. But we're going to need a place we can drop by, skip the buying and prep, eat, and skip the washing up.

I've also liked the idea of a discount personal chef, you basically get pre-made leftovers for a few days at a time. Olive Garden had/has this idea of buy an entree for here and get one to go, it's not like you're preparing it any differently in a microwave at home really. Lots of dishes can be done this way, lots cannot.

Conclusion: wait staff need to be redirected somewhere, and making pre-made leftovers from selected corporate recipes would do the trick. They can work at home, and corporate could fund official inspections to preserve the brand integrity if needed. Supplies from the place you used to work at once or twice a week should keep the results similar.
 
2020-08-08 1:36:11 PM  
I think sometimes, it's worth giving an industry a hand if it's temporary, but this ain't. At a certain point, you say that the world is going to be different for perhaps years. Accept the adjustment.

When this all gets cleared up, re-open them. It's not hard to spin up a new restaurants.
 
2020-08-08 1:41:25 PM  

arrogantbastich: [Fark user image 425x542]


If I had a plot 25 x 50, I'd put in a multi-family dwelling.
 
2020-08-08 1:48:39 PM  
(Through 2019) the number of restaurants in the country had more than doubled in the last 15 years.  Between try-hards, chain locations and Sysco-slingers, just a monstrous overabundance of them.

Why were there so, so many restaurants?  Because it was one of the very few entrepreneurial things that you could do in an age of Amazon, Lowe's, and Walmart... where, without a hedge-fund's worth of capital investment... you could roll the dice lucky (obviously, most didn't), and realize any sort of margin whatsoever.  Where you weren't competing with internet stores operating on 0.25% margins and 40-foot containers of knockoffs from Lucknow.
 
2020-08-08 2:20:37 PM  
The headline makes me wince. First, the buggy whip example is a horrible cliche. Second, the pandemic probably won't last forever. And if it becomes endemic, people will simply live with it, the way we did with polio or similar diseases. People did things in public before polio vaccines. There's a despair in jumping the gun that I'd like to help root out if I can. Here's a lesson: things were worse in the past. We got through them. We'll get through this. And soon.
 
2020-08-08 2:46:54 PM  

hubiestubert: I think that people are always going to pay for others to cook for them, especially in an age where a lot of folks have to Google how to make an omelette.


You can google how to make an omelette?

Well shiat, that's the last time I eat at Denny's.
 
2020-08-08 3:22:02 PM  

TheSubjunctive: (Through 2019) the number of restaurants in the country had more than doubled in the last 15 years.  Between try-hards, chain locations and Sysco-slingers, just a monstrous overabundance of them.

Why were there so, so many restaurants?  Because it was one of the very few entrepreneurial things that you could do in an age of Amazon, Lowe's, and Walmart... where, without a hedge-fund's worth of capital investment... you could roll the dice lucky (obviously, most didn't), and realize any sort of margin whatsoever.  Where you weren't competing with internet stores operating on 0.25% margins and 40-foot containers of knockoffs from Lucknow.


"Everybody's got to eat!"

True.  But everybody doesn't have to eat at a restaurant.  And more specifically, everybody doesn't have to eat at your restaurant.
 
2020-08-08 3:40:17 PM  

arrogantbastich: [Fark user image 425x542]


Maw! Fetch me the DDT!
 
2020-08-08 3:49:03 PM  

lifeslammer: Hyjamon: might get more tips

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Tips are also a form of tax avoidance as restaurants pay payroll taxes lower than what wait staff actually take home.

Extended family is in the dining business and they are basically getting out of it.  They said it will be many YEARS before the restaurant industry recovers.
 
2020-08-08 4:17:16 PM  

lifeslammer: Hyjamon: might get more tips

[YouTube video: Why Tipping Should Be Banned - Adam Ruins Everything]


Meh, this guy was good for about half a season. The diamond episode was good. Now, he cherry picks stats to push liberal agenda items. Honestly, look up some of the sources cited for claims made on the show.
 
2020-08-08 4:18:03 PM  

sinner4ever: If only we hadn't sent all the jobs to China for slave labor.
It is ironic that a COVID-19 kills the only industry we have left. The service industry.


The Governors killed the restaurant industry.
 
2020-08-08 4:31:51 PM  

arrogantbastich: [Fark user image image 425x542]


"Sown before May 1st" in Illinois? I'm in Nova Scotia and we got freaking frost the first week of June.
 
2020-08-08 5:48:49 PM  

hubiestubert: Yes, Doom and Gloom sell, but maybe we could stop writing the obituary for an industry that has been around since the advent of commerce?


Wait... is this the end of prostitution or restaurants?
 
2020-08-08 5:49:30 PM  

farkeruk: I think sometimes, it's worth giving an industry a hand if it's temporary, but this ain't. At a certain point, you say that the world is going to be different for perhaps years. Accept the adjustment.

When this all gets cleared up, re-open them. It's not hard to spin up a new restaurants.


It's a mite harder than you might think.

Folks who have a war chest to get through lean times are going to be dipping into that. Which is why you have operating costs for a couple of years of operation on hand BEFORE you "spin up."  A lot of folks put their hats into the ring without doing the proper market research, or financial planning, and this keeps my crews in refurbished equipment. Thing is, most of the folks who are going to be going out of business, already were. They were destined to fail the moment that they put their hats into the ring, and while some of them may have paddled along for a few years...eventually their half-assedness would have caught up to them. Which is MOST of the industry.

This is LESS about restaurants, than to keep banks from losing mortgages, commercial properties from having vast swathes of empty spaces, and the related industries that restaurants rely upon from getting a solid whack as well. Folks can say that they're worried about the Mom and Pop places, the rock steady bedrock of entrepreneurs, but really, it's about all the folks who profit from even failing restaurants as they try to keep their heads above water. Ultimately, banks are worried about the loss of clients, and getting saddled with properties that they can't move for a while. Trying to candy-coat it as anything else is just so much "concern" on our author's part. Banks are worried. Individual restauranteurs are worried as well, but the industry will survive, though with perhaps a few less independent joints, and a solid boost to corporate kitchens, but banks are getting reaaaaaal nervous right now. And those are who Congress will ultimately pay attention to.
 
2020-08-08 6:17:15 PM  

Billy Liar: arrogantbastich: [Fark user image 425x542]

If I had a plot 25 x 50, I'd put in a multi-family dwelling.


Uhhh... wut?  That's a tiny space for multifamily.  You're talking 1/35 of an acre.  My house isn't huge (a 4 BR in a DC suburb) and it wouldn't even fit in that footprint, and that's with 2 stories.  Are you planning on building Trump Tower Farkistan?

For what it's worth, this is on a lot bigger than that.  
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/80​7​-Woodward-St-Baltimore-MD-21230/365346​53_zpid/
 
2020-08-08 9:10:31 PM  
Every Starbucks drive thru I have seen has a line several cars deep. Coffee like beverages are neither essential or cheap, I am a shareholder now. Gimme my frap money.
 
2020-08-08 11:58:38 PM  
In the end, the landlords will always come out ahead and be somehow allowed to retain those properties at little to no cost to them (hell, they may even earn a profit on them) in order to one day charge and receive excessively high rents.

There is absolutely no way this nation would ever allow a situation in which a glut of unoccupied properties results in rents being massively reduced for any properties, residential or commercial.
 
2020-08-09 8:05:17 PM  

recondite cetacean: I used to feel guilty about ordering takeaway from a dine-in place. Like getting wings to go from Applebees. First, why would I think that's a good idea, the 3 hours of beer first is what makes it palatable.

You tip a bit because someone has to take it from the kitchen and pack it up, usually wait staff. But I'm not tipping the same as someone who did things for me for 3 hours, vs. packing up for takeaway.

Getting a bunch of stuff and bringing it home just isn't the same, unless you can make it better like the Taco Bell taco bar thing. Cheaper to do the same thing yourself, but convenient and much better than just having a pile of pre-made tacos. Kŷdos to them for trying. But we're going to need a place we can drop by, skip the buying and prep, eat, and skip the washing up.

I've also liked the idea of a discount personal chef, you basically get pre-made leftovers for a few days at a time. Olive Garden had/has this idea of buy an entree for here and get one to go, it's not like you're preparing it any differently in a microwave at home really. Lots of dishes can be done this way, lots cannot.

Conclusion: wait staff need to be redirected somewhere, and making pre-made leftovers from selected corporate recipes would do the trick. They can work at home, and corporate could fund official inspections to preserve the brand integrity if needed. Supplies from the place you used to work at once or twice a week should keep the results similar.


They can't work from home prepping food because, corporate wouldn't be able to control quality of the product every time it is cooked.
 
2020-08-09 8:07:28 PM  

farkeruk: I think sometimes, it's worth giving an industry a hand if it's temporary, but this ain't. At a certain point, you say that the world is going to be different for perhaps years. Accept the adjustment.

When this all gets cleared up, re-open them. It's not hard to spin up a new restaurants.


Ummmm... If you go bankrupt and have no capital to "spin up a new restaurant" it is actually really farking hard.  Reading this thread makes me realize how financially illiterate a lot of Fark™ is.
 
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