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2020-08-08 8:20:40 AM  
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2020-08-08 8:43:37 AM  
Nothing to see! Move along! For great victory!
 
2020-08-08 9:06:22 AM  
White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow, who did the rounds on cable news Friday morning, declared that the numbers evidenced a "self-sustaining recovery..."

A guy who has been wrong about pretty much everything.

... and predicted that the United States would see unemployment head into the single digits in the fall months.

Only if they cook the books. Which I would not put past them.
 
2020-08-08 9:35:41 AM  
The whole of the economy from minimum wage people to huge frickin giant ass corporations is standing around with their hands out. The entire economy is teetering, dependent on more government spending.

That's not an economy at all.
 
2020-08-08 9:37:44 AM  

edmo: The whole of the economy from minimum wage people to huge frickin giant ass corporations is standing around with their hands out. The entire economy is teetering, dependent on more government spending.

That's not an economy at all.


Yeah, but interest rates are tanked, so I bought another house.
 
2020-08-08 9:37:47 AM  

Unobtanium: White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow, who did the rounds on cable news Friday morning, declared that the numbers evidenced a "self-sustaining recovery..."

A guy who has been wrong about pretty much everything.

... and predicted that the United States would see unemployment head into the single digits in the fall months.

Only if they cook the books. Which I would not put past them.


They're already cooking the books on COVID-19 test data, his next task is rigging unemployment numbers and the election.
 
2020-08-08 9:39:40 AM  
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2020-08-08 9:40:46 AM  
Of course right wingers love economic downturn. Every time we have one they get one inch closer to their ultimate dream of being able to own people again.
 
2020-08-08 9:43:26 AM  
By noon, the diaper will be full again.
 
2020-08-08 9:44:07 AM  
If you're Russia then these numbers look great.
 
2020-08-08 9:45:43 AM  
It was already painfully obvious from the Axios interview that he doesn't understand statistics at all.
 
2020-08-08 9:46:32 AM  
We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.
 
2020-08-08 9:47:13 AM  
this guy is so dumb. and orange
 
2020-08-08 9:47:35 AM  
But the data nevertheless points to an economic slowdown, challenging the White House's bullish predictions for a speedy V-shaped recovery.

Seems The Hill also has a filter when you use the word "bullshiat".
 
2020-08-08 9:47:50 AM  

neongoats: Of course right wingers love economic downturn. Every time we have one they get one inch closer to their ultimate dream of being able to own people again.


First we sold our labor for starvation wages, then we sold our blood for a bite to eat, soon we sell our vote for a chance to go outside.
 
2020-08-08 9:49:14 AM  
Oh and Kudlaw needs to be put against the pot marked wall.
 
2020-08-08 9:49:49 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?
 
2020-08-08 9:51:18 AM  
I was wrong about Trump.  I thought Trump would support a stimulus package because he wanted to be re-elected. 

I hadn't completely accounted for the fact that the stupidest man on the planet has in turn surrounded himself with morons like Mnuchin and Meadows.

This administration is those "if you believe it, you can achieve it" rip-off business seminars from the 90s writ large.
 
2020-08-08 9:58:02 AM  
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2020-08-08 10:02:23 AM  

Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?


The movie would have given most viewers the necessary points.
 
2020-08-08 10:06:37 AM  

Langdon_777: Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?

The movie would have given most viewers the necessary points.


Found a review that disagrees.

I am a huge fan of both the book and the movie. They are both moving in their own ways. The film is fantastic visually and in telling the human story of living in hyper-controlled oppressive world, but the book better explains how this control is created. This was the most illuminating thing for me when reading the book for the first time and is still poignant to me twenty years on. For that reason I have to take the book over the film. The book has also spawned so many popular references like 'Big Brother', 'Room 101' and 'Double-Speak', making it difficult to ignore the cultural significance of the original book.

To me the most important part of the book was explaining how the population was controlled. Without it just watch Minority Report.
 
2020-08-08 10:07:33 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


It's worse than 1984. At least in 1984 it took an insanely murderous and authoritarian regime to keep the proles and party members in check. In the hellscape we inhabit, all it takes is vague statements that "the opposition will take your Bibles away" from a Fox News bimbo.
 
2020-08-08 10:07:50 AM  

rohar: edmo: The whole of the economy from minimum wage people to huge frickin giant ass corporations is standing around with their hands out. The entire economy is teetering, dependent on more government spending.

That's not an economy at all.

Yeah, but interest rates are tanked, so I bought another house.


Just one? I bought a six-pack.
 
2020-08-08 10:08:06 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


1984?   of course they know about 1984 - that's when Reagan won in a landslide! That just means trump is gonna win in a landslide too wooooooo
 
2020-08-08 10:09:13 AM  
I hope Kudlow is lucky in love because as an economist he sucks.
 
2020-08-08 10:09:26 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


To the extent right-wingers are familiar with 1984 it is as a superficial take that it's anti-communist.

Orwell as a social democrat was speaking to the danger of totalitarianism of the right or left.

As a libby lib I get that that going too far left could be dangerous.  I get the lessons of the Khmer Rouge or Stalin's Five-year plan. I can't think of a single person on the right that believes there's a too extreme to their own ideology.  That's why they're a danger.
 
2020-08-08 10:12:40 AM  

Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?


It captures it rather well, I think.
 
2020-08-08 10:14:56 AM  

Blathering Idjut: Khmer Rouge


Really though they had much more in common with right wingers. Cities and city people are evil. Get back to the country and farm because farmers and clodhoppers are pure and good. Take all the money and prosperity from the city people and give it to the good and pure country people.

Sound like republicans to me.
 
2020-08-08 10:15:40 AM  

Magruda: Langdon_777: Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?

The movie would have given most viewers the necessary points.

Found a review that disagrees.

I am a huge fan of both the book and the movie. They are both moving in their own ways. The film is fantastic visually and in telling the human story of living in hyper-controlled oppressive world, but the book better explains how this control is created. This was the most illuminating thing for me when reading the book for the first time and is still poignant to me twenty years on. For that reason I have to take the book over the film. The book has also spawned so many popular references like 'Big Brother', 'Room 101' and 'Double-Speak', making it difficult to ignore the cultural significance of the original book.

To me the most important part of the book was explaining how the population was controlled. Without it just watch Minority Report.


The whole altering of words and deny your own senses was pretty well displayed in the movie.

1984 is not a long book and everyone should have read it by now, alas the percentage of people on the right as opposed to the left who have read it, is probably frightening, but very explanatory.
 
2020-08-08 10:15:58 AM  
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

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2020-08-08 10:17:25 AM  

neongoats: Blathering Idjut: Khmer Rouge

Really though they had much more in common with right wingers. Cities and city people are evil. Get back to the country and farm because farmers and clodhoppers are pure and good. Take all the money and prosperity from the city people and give it to the good and pure country people.

Sound like republicans to me.


Then there's the anti-intellectualism, but that's common to authoritarians of all types.
 
2020-08-08 10:17:29 AM  

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So ... what you're saying is if we Tuskegee experiment all our COVID-19 cases and count that as employment, we can double our jobs numbers?
 
2020-08-08 10:18:48 AM  

Unobtanium: White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow, who did the rounds on cable news Friday morning, declared that the numbers evidenced a "self-sustaining recovery..."

A guy who has been wrong about pretty much everything.

... and predicted that the United States would see unemployment head into the single digits in the fall months.

Only if they cook the books. Which I would not put past them.


They're already cooking the COVID numbers, so it's a foregone conclusion that they're going to hide the unemployment numbers from here on out.
 
2020-08-08 10:20:11 AM  

Langdon_777: Magruda: Langdon_777: Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?

The movie would have given most viewers the necessary points.

Found a review that disagrees.

I am a huge fan of both the book and the movie. They are both moving in their own ways. The film is fantastic visually and in telling the human story of living in hyper-controlled oppressive world, but the book better explains how this control is created. This was the most illuminating thing for me when reading the book for the first time and is still poignant to me twenty years on. For that reason I have to take the book over the film. The book has also spawned so many popular references like 'Big Brother', 'Room 101' and 'Double-Speak', making it difficult to ignore the cultural significance of the original book.

To me the most important part of the book was explaining how the population was controlled. Without it just watch Minority Report.

The whole altering of words and deny your own senses was pretty well displayed in the movie.

1984 is not a long book and everyone should have read it by now, alas the percentage of people on the right as opposed to the left who have read it, is probably frightening, but very explanatory.


Actually they've probably all read it. They just see it as an instruction manual not a warning.
 
2020-08-08 10:21:21 AM  

red5ish: I hope Kudlow is lucky in love because as an economist he sucks.


Well, we now know that his brain is obviously pudding due to all of the blow he's been doing.
 
2020-08-08 10:23:53 AM  

neongoats: Blathering Idjut: Khmer Rouge

Really though they had much more in common with right wingers. Cities and city people are evil. Get back to the country and farm because farmers and clodhoppers are pure and good. Take all the money and prosperity from the city people and give it to the good and pure country people.

Sound like republicans to me.


Or the Taliban.
 
2020-08-08 10:26:57 AM  
The same surveys tend to show that while Trump is the preferred candidate on handling the economy, Biden leads on other issues like race relations and the coronavirus.

Which survey in what farking insane universe prefers the mad king who is responsible for us
being on the brink of economic apocalypse?
                                                    (sound of tappy-tap of keys googling)

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/25/major​i​ty-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-hand​ling-of-the-economy.html
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/06/25​/​cnbc-all-america-survey-2020-election-​biden-trump-economy-covid-19.html
CNBC-All America Economic Survey. Oh a survey by these fine people.
/going back to my magic 8 ball
//V-shaped recovery imminent my ass.
 
2020-08-08 10:28:38 AM  
Remember, for two years the wh, the house & the senate was held by the gop.
And nothing was accomplished, but tax breaks for the wealthy, and debt for the country (& this was before covid). The debt was increased by an incredible amount.

I was a Reagan Republican, but when I saw the reality of the "trickle down" concept played out, along with everything else, I changed out of the Republican party.

Ya know, it astounds me that people think that the fiscally conservative are the gops. Every time the gops are on power, they drive up the debt, and then leave that debt to the other party to deal with. And when they de as l with it by paying the debt down, they are blamed for the spending.

Let me ask you, if spouse #1 charges up all of the credit cards, and spouse #2 pays off all of the credit cards, who would you say is the fiscally responsible spouse?

Your choices are:
#1 who creates the debt.
#2 who the dissipates the debt and balances the budget.
 
2020-08-08 10:36:20 AM  

clearperspective: Remember, for two years the wh, the house & the senate was held by the gop.
And nothing was accomplished, but tax breaks for the wealthy, and debt for the country (& this was before covid). The debt was increased by an incredible amount.

I was a Reagan Republican, but when I saw the reality of the "trickle down" concept played out, along with everything else, I changed out of the Republican party.

Ya know, it astounds me that people think that the fiscally conservative are the gops. Every time the gops are on power, they drive up the debt, and then leave that debt to the other party to deal with. And when they de as l with it by paying the debt down, they are blamed for the spending.

Let me ask you, if spouse #1 charges up all of the credit cards, and spouse #2 pays off all of the credit cards, who would you say is the fiscally responsible spouse?

Your choices are:
#1 who creates the debt.
#2 who the dissipates the debt and balances the budget.


Bigly smart businessman Repubs cut taxes, because the prudent thing to do in business is to slash your revenues.

/s
 
2020-08-08 10:40:55 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


The year Ronald Reagan won re-election, duh.
 
2020-08-08 11:04:55 AM  
We should be sure to thank him for increasing the chocolate ration to 20 grams.
 
2020-08-08 11:13:39 AM  

clearperspective: Remember, for two years the wh, the house & the senate was held by the gop.
And nothing was accomplished, but tax breaks for the wealthy, and debt for the country (& this was before covid). The debt was increased by an incredible amount.

I was a Reagan Republican, but when I saw the reality of the "trickle down" concept played out, along with everything else, I changed out of the Republican party.

Ya know, it astounds me that people think that the fiscally conservative are the gops. Every time the gops are on power, they drive up the debt, and then leave that debt to the other party to deal with. And when they de as l with it by paying the debt down, they are blamed for the spending.

Let me ask you, if spouse #1 charges up all of the credit cards, and spouse #2 pays off all of the credit cards, who would you say is the fiscally responsible spouse?

Your choices are:
#1 who creates the debt.
#2 who the dissipates the debt and balances the budget.


The GOP is a cult. Facts don't matter. Anybody who votes GOP but doesn't believe it's a cult is just farking stupid and completely out of touch with reality - even more so than the cult in many ways.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner you realize that you're attempting to debate what is essentially a brain-damaged pigeon.

This report is a perfect example. Trump sees a big number he can tout - it doesn't matter the context. That's what his supporters will see, and that's ALL they will see. Kind of like what you laid out. They literally don't and won't ever see any of that information. Because it's a cult. And they block it like their religion has trained them to do their entire life.

See no bad jobs report, hear no bad jobs report.
 
2020-08-08 11:15:41 AM  

neongoats: Blathering Idjut: Khmer Rouge

Really though they had much more in common with right wingers. Cities and city people are evil. Get back to the country and farm because farmers and clodhoppers are pure and good. Take all the money and prosperity from the city people and give it to the good and pure country people.

Sound like republicans to me.


Plus, science, art and culture are bad. Replicants have that in common with the Khmer too
 
2020-08-08 11:23:19 AM  
Since when does Trump care about reality?
 
2020-08-08 11:31:48 AM  

Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?


Mostly accurate to the book.

One thing that I found distracting:  In the book, Winston and Julia have already acknowledged that 'Okay, when we get caught and tortured, we're going to squeal on each other; it's going to happen, but that's not the same as betrayal (not loving you, throwing you under the bus to save myself)'.
When they meet again, instead of the brutally honest "I betrayed you" in the book, it was "I told them everything about you.", which doesn't begin to scratch the heartbreaking reality of what has been done to them.

/tangent over
 
2020-08-08 11:32:19 AM  
This is what happens when you have no curiosity.  He says, "Hey, Jared. How's the jobs numbers?"
Jared says, "No president in history has created more jobs."
He tweets about it because he thinks he's a job creating genius .
 
2020-08-08 11:39:16 AM  

Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.


1984 was about the dangers of communist dictatorship. The Trump government isn't competent enough to pull off the autocratic state like Oceania. Being too stupid too stupid to understand facts isn't Doublethink...
 
2020-08-08 11:46:57 AM  

Magruda: Langdon_777: Magruda: Langdon_777: We really are living through 1984.  The sad part is that everyone who is going to vote for tRump has never read (or even watched, probably do not even know what it is) 1984.

Never seen the movie, does it hit on all of the important points the book makes or did they remove the explanation of "memory hole" etc. to make time?

The movie would have given most viewers the necessary points.

Found a review that disagrees.

I am a huge fan of both the book and the movie. They are both moving in their own ways. The film is fantastic visually and in telling the human story of living in hyper-controlled oppressive world, but the book better explains how this control is created. This was the most illuminating thing for me when reading the book for the first time and is still poignant to me twenty years on. For that reason I have to take the book over the film. The book has also spawned so many popular references like 'Big Brother', 'Room 101' and 'Double-Speak', making it difficult to ignore the cultural significance of the original book.

To me the most important part of the book was explaining how the population was controlled. Without it just watch Minority Report.


Heard this anecdote-

A receptionist working for the Australian TV channel which screened the reality show "Big Brother" was once asked what she thought of the book 1984.

She actually said "What's 1984 have to do with Big Brother?

She had no freaking idea.
 
2020-08-08 11:49:03 AM  

Norquist Vagprobe: It's worse than 1984. At least in 1984 it took an insanely murderous and authoritarian regime to keep the proles and party members in check.


Huxley not Orwell: https://i.imgur.com/2H8gZq5.j​pg

A pretty detailed breakdown of the problem is in the book "Amusing ourselves to death."

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Amusing-Ours​e​lves-Death-Discourse-Business/dp/01430​3653X/ref=

Though it severely lacks suggestions about what to do about the problem.
 
2020-08-08 11:55:23 AM  
"The fundamental choice for voters is between the fantastic record of President Trump, who built the world's best economy once and is doing it again, and Joe Biden, whose economic record is terrible and whose plans for the future are ruinous," said Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh"

This is hysterical. Until Trump & Co. steered that economy on the rocks, that great economy Murtaugh is talking about came from the Obama/Biden administration - it was the exact same economic expansion that began in 2009. 🤣
 
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