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2020-08-07 9:23:47 PM  
If Noah Hawley wants to make something for you, you let him
 
2020-08-07 9:41:43 PM  
So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.
 
2020-08-07 11:19:22 PM  
As someone whose childhood was based on Star Wars and Star Trek (childhood not quite done yet), it's kind of over for both of them. It is if they insist on going back to the Kirk/Skywalker well. Both franchises have huge universes but they insist on going back to the same characters because that's what they think people want.

But some jackass pretending to be William Shatner and dragging the surviving Star Wars actors out isn't going to bring in any new fans. Both franchises have a lot of stories to tell outside of the movies. The expanded universe in the books might have sucked but they had the right idea. Take a risk, do something different.

The Mandalorean. Sure, it has a guy who looks like Boba Fett and a Baby Yoda because it's in the Star Wars universe but it's telling a different story than a Skywalker waving his lighsaber around and people like it. Star Trek needs to do something like that instead of Kirk/Spock cosplay.
 
2020-08-07 11:42:56 PM  
Do a series on Section 31
 
2020-08-08 12:53:45 AM  

cman: Do a series on Section 31


I've been saying that for years. Two angles. One where the Federation is doing all the humanitarian enlightened work that their known for, cut back and forth to Section 31 behind the scenes doing what they need to do to make all that happen to make the Federation look good. It would be awesome. And would go over like a pregnant pole vaulter. But it would kick ass.
 
2020-08-08 1:35:51 AM  

cman: Do a series on Section 31


https://www.space.com/star-trek-secti​o​n-31-discovery-filming-schedules.html

I personally think it's an awful idea.
 
2020-08-08 1:42:54 AM  
I thought Discovery S1 was unwatchable, but I loved S2. The second half of Picard was ok, but the first half was talky pointless gibberish. In any event, they left out the most important part of the character of Captain Picard--his intensity. At best they're batting .500 on new series.
 
2020-08-08 1:57:55 AM  
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2020-08-08 2:05:48 AM  

MHudson: cman: Do a series on Section 31

https://www.space.com/star-trek-sectio​n-31-discovery-filming-schedules.html

I personally think it's an awful idea.


As long as we get Michelle Yeoh's Mirror Universe alt-Georgiou chewing scenery I'll be there.
 
2020-08-08 2:10:16 AM  

ryant123: I thought Discovery S1 was unwatchable, but I loved S2. The second half of Picard was ok, but the first half was talky pointless gibberish. In any event, they left out the most important part of the character of Captain Picard--his intensity. At best they're batting .500 on new series.


They never knew what to do with Picard after the TV show.
 
2020-08-08 2:29:57 AM  

foo monkey: So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.


Do you like Family Guy and American Dad still humor but without the creativity? If yes, watch the show.
 
2020-08-08 2:41:19 AM  
Read elsewhere today apparently Tarantino Trek is still an alleged thing.

As I've said, he'd be better for telling the story of lowlifes and scumbags of the Trek universe -- smugglers, space pirates, dishonored Romulans/Klingons or half-breeds, Ferengi, Harvey Mudd -- than your usual Federation military vessel types.

If I had to pick sci-fi franchise for him, Tarantino would be better off doing the Blade Runner universe -- what it's like on the colonies for disillusioned or naive humans and their Nexus slaves. But it would be just more noir from him.

/big universe in Star Trek, use it dammit
//sticking with Warhammer 40K novels for my space opera/sci fi action fix
 
2020-08-08 2:42:51 AM  

ReaverZ: foo monkey: So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.

Do you like Family Guy and American Dad still humor but without the creativity? If yes, watch the show.


I was going to say Archer without the dialogue chemistry and the worst aspects of Family Guy, but yeah, that's bad.
 
2020-08-08 3:20:35 AM  
the project is still viable based on an episode of the classic Star Trek series that takes place largely earthbound in a 30s gangster setting

Please don't do this.
 
2020-08-08 3:21:34 AM  

fusillade762: MHudson: cman: Do a series on Section 31

https://www.space.com/star-trek-sectio​n-31-discovery-filming-schedules.html

I personally think it's an awful idea.

As long as we get Michelle Yeoh's Mirror Universe alt-Georgiou chewing scenery I'll be there.


If Discovery could just find one writer of the same calibre as their entire house full of incredible actors, it would be one of the best things on TV.

Between Michelle Yeoh, Sonequa Martin-Green, Doug Jones, Jason Isaacs and Anson Mount (and more than a few supporting characters) there's enough acting talent on screen that they can damn nearly make you overlook a -lot- of terrible writing.

But yeah... 3 main issues with the writing: First of all, pretty much the whole of seasons 1 and 2 consists of feeding the canon about the Pike era into a warp powered shredder, followed by making some really convenient excuses for why absolutely none of this was ever mentioned in TOS, despite TOS taking place not -exactly- that long after this massive fracas, and Enterprise being directly involved in half of it. Which, come to to think of it, is probably a pretty good reason to not set it at that time in the first place...

... Which brings us to problem two: A generalized and consistent failure to consider even the first order implications of the introduced plot macguffins, to say nothing of actually thinking it through. Example: At the end of season 1, we find out that the spore drive isn't merely an all-of-space drive, it's an all-of-space drive, and a time travel device, in addition to also being an inter-universe gateway. And we find out that Discovery time travelled 8 months into the future and the war is basically lost... which sucks... too bad they don't have what amounts to a Tardis right? That's the most egregious example, but there's a regular stream of "Wait, if -that's- the case, you obviously didn't think this through, at all" WTFs that are on a level similar to HISHE's mockery of Into Darkness.

And then, within individual episodes, the problems with pacing. The episode where the ship jams itself halfway inside the Mushroom-verse was by far the worst offence in this regard... Yes, time is absolutely of the essence, we have five minutes until the spores eat through Discovery's hull, so let's drag Calpers' rescue out for fully fifteen minutes -after- the five minute omfg emergency warning. It's not as if this show has literally a dozen plot threads in flight at this point or a dozen attention-starved characters, any of which would benefit from some screen time.

Maybe instead of having more writers than episodes, hire just 3 or 4 GOOD writers?
 
2020-08-08 3:22:00 AM  
Roddenberry was the heart of star-trek.  Without someone who understands it, on a deep level, it's just missing the point.  I know writing is easier to do with pre-made conflict, but that's NOT the heart of star-trek.
 
2020-08-08 4:46:21 AM  

trapped-in-CH: Roddenberry was the heart of star-trek


writers like DC Fontana, Harlan Ellison, Ron Moore, Ira Behr and many others are the heart of Trek.
 
2020-08-08 4:48:20 AM  
They are rebooting Earth Final Conflict?  Score!!!
 
2020-08-08 5:15:40 AM  

ReaverZ: foo monkey: So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.

Do you like Family Guy and American Dad still humor but without the creativity? If yes, watch the show.


So... A worse 'The Orville'?
 
2020-08-08 5:49:53 AM  

ryant123: I thought Discovery S1 was unwatchable, but I loved S2. The second half of Picard was ok, but the first half was talky pointless gibberish. In any event, they left out the most important part of the character of Captain Picard--his intensity. At best they're batting .500 on new series.


For my own part, I watched both seasons, but while I can at least remember some of the salient points of S1, I literally could not tell you what the plot of S2 was because of how incoherent in felt to me, I retained none of it except I think they resurrected the doctor dude. I don't think hamfisting another Spock in helped.
 
2020-08-08 6:11:25 AM  

Gordon Bennett: the project is still viable based on an episode of the classic Star Trek series that takes place largely earthbound in a 30s gangster setting

Please don't do this.


Yeah, that sounds stupid.

'A Piece of the Action' was a good bottle show, and the only way that they could build on that would be an episode (not a movie) telling what happened to them after they found McCoy's communicator.
 
2020-08-08 6:13:47 AM  

ReaverZ: trapped-in-CH: Roddenberry was the heart of star-trek

writers like DC Fontana, Harlan Ellison, Ron Moore, Ira Behr and many others are the heart of Trek.


Yeah, pretty much.

Roddenberry was the cheerleader and promoter for Star Trek, but it was the quality of the script writers that made it what it was.
 
2020-08-08 6:15:35 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Gordon Bennett: the project is still viable based on an episode of the classic Star Trek series that takes place largely earthbound in a 30s gangster setting

Please don't do this.

Yeah, that sounds stupid.

'A Piece of the Action' was a good bottle show, and the only way that they could build on that would be an episode (not a movie) telling what happened to them after they found McCoy's communicator.


There was a book I was given long ago, 'Races of the Federation' I think it's called, that mentioned this.  It said that the next Federation ship to travel that way found a fully functional Federation base.
 
2020-08-08 6:37:41 AM  
It would be cool to see something like the "Star Wars Stories" movies, and see sci-fi films set in the Federation featuring different characters and settings.(A bit like "Short Treks", I guess......)

There's a lot to explore, and having a bunch of nobodies dealing with issues that aren't FATE OF THE UNIVERSE level conflicts would be a ripe field for telling stories. And hell, the "Star Trek" label would just let more sci-fi stories get told. 

/And for the love of all that is holy, stop doing time travel.
//Or mirror universe stuff.
 
2020-08-08 6:40:22 AM  
In my wildest dreams, I see movies being made from long-standing series like Star Trek or Star Wars being made as if they were television shows. Lower budget affairs, releasing one every 6 months or so, with low priced tickets. Bring back the old fashioned "serials". It could work! 

Shoot a "season" of a series over a year, release it over the course of 3 or 4 years, put out DVD's for each film, then a box set, then a special edition before you do the next one. It will print money.
 
2020-08-08 6:57:34 AM  

agent00pi: ReaverZ: foo monkey: So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.

Do you like Family Guy and American Dad still humor but without the creativity? If yes, watch the show.

So... A worse 'The Orville'?


What did The Orville ever do to you?
 
2020-08-08 7:21:14 AM  
Wanna fix Star Trek? Hire Ira Steven Behr. Or a bunch of lifelong fans to at least write the script.
 
2020-08-08 7:34:57 AM  

Practical_Draconian: Read elsewhere today apparently Tarantino Trek is still an alleged thing.

As I've said, he'd be better for telling the story of lowlifes and scumbags of the Trek universe -- smugglers, space pirates, dishonored Romulans/Klingons or half-breeds, Ferengi, Harvey Mudd -- than your usual Federation military vessel types.

If I had to pick sci-fi franchise for him, Tarantino would be better off doing the Blade Runner universe -- what it's like on the colonies for disillusioned or naive humans and their Nexus slaves. But it would be just more noir from him.

/big universe in Star Trek, use it dammit
//sticking with Warhammer 40K novels for my space opera/sci fi action fix


Tarantino Trek: The Search for the N Word.
 
2020-08-08 7:36:31 AM  

Gordon Bennett: the project is still viable based on an episode of the classic Star Trek series that takes place largely earthbound in a 30s gangster setting

Please don't do this.


As if it matters, but it wasn't even Earth. It was just a planet that looked exactly the same and had 1930's gangster culture as its sole defining trait.

At any rate, what sort of person watches that episode and thinks to themselves, "This needs a movie treatment!"?

/the CGI Fizzbin scenes will be awesome!
 
2020-08-08 7:36:56 AM  

foo monkey: agent00pi: ReaverZ: foo monkey: So um, anyone else watch the first episode of Lower Decks?  I said i was going to reserve judgment until after I watched it.  Now I'm going to heed some sage advice and not say anything at all.

Do you like Family Guy and American Dad still humor but without the creativity? If yes, watch the show.

So... A worse 'The Orville'?

What did The Orville ever do to you?


The Orville doesn't pretend that it isn't a ST:TNG imitation and there are way too many 20th century pop culture references but if you can get past that, it's a pretty good show.

It was annoying in the episode where they opened a time capsule from the 21st century and couldn't understand what a cell phone or pack of cigarettes were when they literally make 20th century movie and TV references in every episode. But it's a better Star Trek than Star Trek has been in a while.
 
2020-08-08 7:40:22 AM  
I really wanted Star Trek Picard to just be about him running his vineyard. No pewpew laser guns, because that's honestly the most science-fictional premise we could be asking questions about: how does daily life look in a utopia?

That's a hard question, so they just turned the Federation into a horrifying dystopia built on slave labor instead.
 
2020-08-08 7:41:16 AM  

swahnhennessy: At any rate, what sort of person watches that episode and thinks to themselves, "This needs a movie treatment!"?


Also, "A Piece of the Action" is a terrible episode. It's not "Spock's Brain" or "And the Children Shall Lead", but it's really bad. The comedy doesn't land at all.
 
2020-08-08 7:59:12 AM  

t3knomanser: I really wanted Star Trek Picard to just be about him running his vineyard. No pewpew laser guns, because that's honestly the most science-fictional premise we could be asking questions about: how does daily life look in a utopia?

That's a hard question, so they just turned the Federation into a horrifying dystopia built on slave labor instead.


Ever since the movies started, they turned Picard into an action hero. In First Contact he was a full on deranged revenge driven psycho.  So I don't know why you'd think they'd go back to the earl gray sipping philosopher with the new show.

In fact, after The Motion Picture put everyone to sleep, all the movies have been about some psycho out for revenge for something, except the whale one.
 
2020-08-08 8:04:27 AM  

Mugato: So I don't know why you'd think they'd go back to the earl gray sipping philosopher with the new show.


I didn't think they would, I said it's what I wanted. I expected them to make crappy action schlock, and they did.

Mugato: except the whale one.


The most commercially successful one, the most critically successful one, and the one that the people who make Star Trek learned exactly zero lessons from. Let's just remake TWOK again, but like, make this Khan a clone of Picard for some reason.
 
2020-08-08 8:16:59 AM  

Mugato: As someone whose childhood was based on Star Wars and Star Trek (childhood not quite done yet), it's kind of over for both of them. It is if they insist on going back to the Kirk/Skywalker well. Both franchises have huge universes but they insist on going back to the same characters because that's what they think people want.

But some jackass pretending to be William Shatner and dragging the surviving Star Wars actors out isn't going to bring in any new fans. Both franchises have a lot of stories to tell outside of the movies. The expanded universe in the books might have sucked but they had the right idea. Take a risk, do something different.

The Mandalorean. Sure, it has a guy who looks like Boba Fett and a Baby Yoda because it's in the Star Wars universe but it's telling a different story than a Skywalker waving his lighsaber around and people like it. Star Trek needs to do something like that instead of Kirk/Spock cosplay.


One important thing about all media is that it ages. Technology, incentives, social attitudes. Like you rarely have villains who are bank robbers because we've pretty much eradicated bank robbery with all sorts of security. Carrying the death star plans? Why don't you just put them on a torrent site?

Disney tried to make a modern Cinderella, but Cinderella is really a fairy tale about girls being pretty and working hard at home and magically getting a prince because that was pre-WW2 society. That wasn't bad teaching to girls in that time.

I say that James Bond pretty much ran out of steam after Goldeneye. Bond worked in an era of cold war tension. They milked the chaos of post-Soviet Russia very well, but they really don't have anywhere to go.
 
2020-08-08 8:18:43 AM  
It's the Fark.com Star Trek Thread Cliche' List!

1) It's not Star Trek
2) Gene's Vision
3) It's too "woke"
4) I liked it after season 'X'
5) Riker sitting down
6) I hate character 'X'
7) I love character 'X'
8) Hot pictures of cast members
9) Ranking the different series
10) There is no Star Trek but the original 79 episodes
11) 'Odd Numbered Movies + Nemesis' Suck Rule
12) The Orville is better
13) Galaxy Quest is better

Care of post https://www.fark.com/comments/10​907913​/128532570#c128532570
 
2020-08-08 8:24:55 AM  

t3knomanser: swahnhennessy: At any rate, what sort of person watches that episode and thinks to themselves, "This needs a movie treatment!"?

Also, "A Piece of the Action" is a terrible episode. It's not "Spock's Brain" or "And the Children Shall Lead", but it's really bad. The comedy doesn't land at all.


For a while, when I turned on an episode of the original Star Trek on broadcast TV, it turned out to be 'A Piece of the Action' nearly half the time.  That got tiresome.
 
2020-08-08 8:25:39 AM  

Aezetyr: Hot pictures of cast members


Okay, but let's only do hot pictures of Ethan Phillips.
 
2020-08-08 9:19:42 AM  

farkeruk: I say that James Bond pretty much ran out of steam after Goldeneye. Bond worked in an era of cold war tension. They milked the chaos of post-Soviet Russia very well, but they really don't have anywhere to go.


GoldenEye is my favorite Bond film partially for that reason. M calls him a dinosaur, a relic of the Cold War. Even the opening credits has hot girls smashing statues of Stalin and other Soviet leaders. After that it was just crazy guy trying to take over the world. And the Daniel Craig movies turned into Jason Bourne/Mission Impossible films.
 
2020-08-08 9:24:09 AM  

t3knomanser: Let's just remake TWOK again, but like, make this Khan a clone of Picard for some reason.


That actually could have been a decent premise (if you can get past that the Romulans would guess that Picard would turn out to be important enough to make a clone of...but advancement in profiling, I'd allow it).

Picard looking at his younger self, how he could have turned out if he wasn't raised properly, reflection, all that shiat. But no, they found yet another spare Data and shot natives from a dune buggy.
 
2020-08-08 9:34:17 AM  

ReaverZ: trapped-in-CH: Roddenberry was the heart of star-trek

writers like DC Fontana, Harlan Ellison, Ron Moore, Ira Behr and many others are the heart of Trek.


This.
 
2020-08-08 9:34:44 AM  
I've been saying for years I want a story about normal being in the Trek universe.

What is life like if you're NOT in Starfleet.

(We of course argued about this on Fark) but am I allowed to travel the galaxy in my own ship?

Can me and my family hop in the space station wagon and fly to Risa?

What if I bump into Romulans?  What's the procedure?
Will Starfleet help me out?  They have said they're NOT the police of the universe!
 
2020-08-08 9:37:53 AM  
Instead of trying Yet Another Star Trek/Wars/whatever, they could always option any of a number of great SF book series and make a show from that.

"The Expanse" showed what you can do with good source material. There's so much out there that nobody's touched.

Heck, someone could do a great "Stainless Steel Rat" series without breaking a sweat.

Or got back to old TV shows and give us a modern Blake's 7...
 
2020-08-08 9:54:00 AM  

Naido: If Noah Hawley wants to make something for you, you let him

Hawley made a deal on Trek - the Fargo and Legion EP was driven by his love for the original series, just like JJ Abrams when he directed the first installment.


If Hawley's doing anything "just like JJ Abrams", maybe you don't let him make Trek.
 
2020-08-08 10:02:04 AM  

buntz: (We of course argued about this on Fark) but am I allowed to travel the galaxy in my own ship?

Can me and my family hop in the space station wagon and fly to Risa?

What if I bump into Romulans? What's the procedure?
Will Starfleet help me out? They have said they're NOT the police of the universe!


1) Yes, clearly, and we meet several civilian spacers through the whole series.

2) See 1. Now, if you're thinking in terms of "right, but how do we control access to a scare resource", you're operating under the assumption that Risa is a scarce resource. Like, sure, Risa specifically, is unique. But even within the context of the TV series, we know that there is at least one other pleasure planet. But we also have indications that Earth itself is pretty idyllic, especially in specific places, and there are a lot of planets in the Federation. You have so many options for entertainment and recreation that Risa doesn't really constitute a scarce resource.

3) If you bump into Romulans, it means someone (you or they) has violated the Neutral Zone. In the latter case, Starfleet would likely respond, and quite aggressively. In the former, you can expect a diplomatic clusterfark followed by a prison term in the Federation, since you violated the treaty which is almost certainly against the law.

cirby: Heck, someone could do a great "Stainless Steel Rat" series without breaking a sweat.


It'd need a fair bit of modernizing, but the core conceit, 100%. "Mission Impossible: In Spaaaaaaace" is the way you'd pitch it, complete with the disguise gimmick, which is great, because instead of hinging the entire franchise around one actor, a la the Tom Cruise Stunt Spectacular, you can easily change out the main actor(s) which means it can be a long-running franchise. That also gets you into the bonus territory that nobody really cares that much about the plots of any given SSR book- we're in it for the cool heists, the banter-y characters, so you don't have to worry about hewing too close to the canon or deviating too far: just do cool spy shiat and heists in space.

Also, do an animated Bill the Galactic Hero movie, since we're talking about Harry Harrison.
 
2020-08-08 10:29:44 AM  
Star Trek continues to be a monster franchise for ViacomCBS, so they want to make sure they get it right.

When did getting it right become a consideration for ViacomCBS?
 
2020-08-08 10:46:52 AM  

Aezetyr: It's the Fark.com Star Trek Thread Cliche' List!

1) It's not Star Trek
2) Gene's Vision
3) It's too "woke"
4) I liked it after season 'X'
5) Riker sitting down
6) I hate character 'X'
7) I love character 'X'
8) Hot pictures of cast members
9) Ranking the different series
10) There is no Star Trek but the original 79 episodes
11) 'Odd Numbered Movies + Nemesis' Suck Rule
12) The Orville is better
13) Galaxy Quest is better

Care of post https://www.fark.com/comments/109​07913/128532570#c128532570


Wow! Almost none of those happened! Good job!
 
2020-08-08 10:55:47 AM  

Aezetyr: It's the Fark.com Star Trek Thread Cliche' List!

1) It's not Star Trek
2) Gene's Vision
3) It's too "woke"
4) I liked it after season 'X'
5) Riker sitting down
6) I hate character 'X'
7) I love character 'X'
8) Hot pictures of cast members
9) Ranking the different series
10) There is no Star Trek but the original 79 episodes
11) 'Odd Numbered Movies + Nemesis' Suck Rule
12) The Orville is better
13) Galaxy Quest is better

Care of post https://www.fark.com/comments/109​07913/128532570#c128532570


14) Kurtzman, Orci, Lindelof. (Secret HideOut, Bad Robot failure Voltron unite)

"The defining factor of Roddenberry's vision is the optimistic view of the future ... Once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is. That being said...
.........aaaaand guess who wrote that?.........drummrolll,cymbal clash

Alex farking Kurtzman.

/my mind, it's too boggled
//please, just like Sony's "Spider-Man" outings, Star Trek is just an IP to be exploited and mined for cash
by hordes of committees that really don't know what to do with it, replete with no vision, no unique stories to tell, but only pet agendas to push.
///and i liked the "you're black on the left, and your black on the right, so why the beef?" episode even as
hamfisted as that was, it's still one of my favorites.

(and before someone flies in and corrects me.
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, blah, bla, bla, yeah I know.)
 
2020-08-08 11:03:17 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: ReaverZ: trapped-in-CH: Roddenberry was the heart of star-trek

writers like DC Fontana, Harlan Ellison, Ron Moore, Ira Behr and many others are the heart of Trek.

Yeah, pretty much.

Roddenberry was the cheerleader and promoter for Star Trek, but it was the quality of the script writers that made it what it was.


It was also the characters that made the show interesting.  This also includes the acting and directing.  Kirk, Bones and Spock were characters I wanted to watch.  Even Shatner's over the top acting actually worked for some damn reason.  TNG worked because of Picard and Data.  DS9 worked because of Odo, Quark, Kira, Garak and Gul Ducat.  Voyager would have worked if the show had been centered around the hologram doctor.

Good writing is essential, but good characters make you more invested in the show.
 
2020-08-08 11:15:15 AM  
I know it be a cluster F#% to do but its been done in the comics.  Give us a movie or 2 with star wars/star trek/dr who cross overs. don't have to be all three at once but it be nice.  and don't have to include the main cast from star wars/trek.  Make it one of them sends a ship out exploring and finds the other or such.

the biggest issue would be getting the right team to do it.
 
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