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2020-08-07 7:42:01 PM  
I was seeing red after reading this. What kind of monsters uphold a sentence like that? If he had murdered someone he would most likely be out by now.
 
2020-08-07 8:22:28 PM  
"If he lives another 20 years, Louisiana taxpayers will have paid almost one million dollars to punish Mr. Bryant for his failed effort to steal a set of hedge clippers."
 
2020-08-07 10:54:25 PM  

edmo: "If he lives another 20 years, Louisiana taxpayers will have paid almost one million dollars to punish Mr. Bryant for his failed effort to steal a set of hedge clippers."


It's the principal of the matter.
🙄
We'd spend our last dollar over the stupid principal of the matter.
🙄
 
2020-08-07 10:59:55 PM  
Steal millions, get a slap on the wrist (maybe) and a nice government job.
 
2020-08-07 11:01:19 PM  
Instead of stealing, he should of started a hedge fund.
 
2020-08-07 11:02:46 PM  
Should have been a banker. Governments pay THEM to steal whole HOUSES.
 
2020-08-07 11:05:18 PM  
He hasn't got a life sentence because of the hedge clippers - he's got a life sentence because he's got a long history of repeat offenses.

Gotta read more than the headline. I guess he should have picked a better hobby.

Is it extreme? Yeah. Too much? Maybe. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, and it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.
 
2020-08-07 11:07:54 PM  
'I can say anything I want': Michigan official defends using racist slur while refusing to wear a mask

It's all to enforce classes.  The underclass who have no rights, the middle class who benefit from the situation, and the rich who control it all, with the middle class voting for the rich to keep the whole system in tact.

No one would vote to do this to themselves, but that isn't what's important.  What's important, is they clearly should have been a white anglo-saxon protestant if they wanted a better deal.  Tis only fair.
 
2020-08-07 11:09:52 PM  

LZeitgeist: He hasn't got a life sentence because of the hedge clippers - he's got a life sentence because he's got a long history of repeat offenses.

Gotta read more than the headline. I guess he should have picked a better hobby.

Is it extreme? Yeah. Too much? Maybe. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, and it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.


It's not like he was juggling live grenades with one missing pin.
It is us that is making a choice.
We should not use the law in this manner. It is what is stupid, here. And you.
🙄
 
2020-08-07 11:11:37 PM  
Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say his punishment is justified... And then say why you disagree.

Don't pretend some guy accidently forgot to pay for hedge clippers and got life in prison for being black.

If you have to misrepresent your position, it's probably a crappy position.
 
2020-08-07 11:13:21 PM  
Once he's 67, he gets out free, right? Do you think it is fair for a 67-year-old man to be sent to prison for 7-9 years?
 
2020-08-07 11:14:53 PM  
Fark_Guy_Rob:
But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done.

Thank you for reading TFA, unlike most of the farkers here who only read the headline.
 
2020-08-07 11:17:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: 1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?


So.. putting him in jail has done nothing to reform him.  It's just a way of sweeping him under the carpet and forgetting about the inherent problems.
 
2020-08-07 11:18:48 PM  
You have to be ignorant to think he went to jail for hedge clippers.

Dude was a multiple time violent offender... As a society we should put all dangerous multi offense felons in jail and throw away the key.
 
2020-08-07 11:21:17 PM  
He needs to get Meek Mills support group behind it
 
2020-08-07 11:24:08 PM  
Hell We got Nixon on tape confirming that the drug war had nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with giving them an avenue to crack down on minorities and republicans political opponents, and we STILL have that program in place well funded with support from both republicans and democrats. it's not about right or wrong, it's about the same thing everything else in this country is about, money. I lost faith in Americas justice system a long time ago.
 
2020-08-07 11:24:40 PM  

stuartp9: Fark_Guy_Rob: 1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

So.. putting him in jail has done nothing to reform him.  It's just a way of sweeping him under the carpet and forgetting about the inherent problems.


1.) So.. We all agree he wasn't given life for stealing hedge clippers, right?

2.) I'm not sure your point. The US prison system isn't great at reforming people, but as long as he is in prison he can't break into your house and try to steal from you. That's why people support these types of laws. My personal justice system says he should have been put to death after the attempted armed robbery... Though I acknowledge most people find that extreme. My approach would have prevented all of his future crimes though, far more effective than letting him go, and if done properly, far cheaper too.

In any case, I can appreciate people have different feelings about how we should treat him. Maybe you want to move him next to your house or something and give him $500 every week he promises not to commit a crime. I dunno, but I can respect your opinion, even if I disagree.

But if anyone still thinks this guy stole some hedge clippers to end up where he did....I can't respect their opinion on the matter.
 
2020-08-07 11:41:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: stuartp9: Fark_Guy_Rob: 1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

So.. putting him in jail has done nothing to reform him.  It's just a way of sweeping him under the carpet and forgetting about the inherent problems.

1.) So.. We all agree he wasn't given life for stealing hedge clippers, right?

2.) I'm not sure your point. The US prison system isn't great at reforming people, but as long as he is in prison he can't break into your house and try to steal from you. That's why people support these types of laws. My personal justice system says he should have been put to death after the attempted armed robbery... Though I acknowledge most people find that extreme. My approach would have prevented all of his future crimes though, far more effective than letting him go, and if done properly, far cheaper too.

In any case, I can appreciate people have different feelings about how we should treat him. Maybe you want to move him next to your house or something and give him $500 every week he promises not to commit a crime. I dunno, but I can respect your opinion, even if I disagree.

But if anyone still thinks this guy stole some hedge clippers to end up where he did....I can't respect their opinion on the matter.


The issue is that people aren't willing to pay a fraction of the cost of jailing him for life, in order to attempt real rehabilitation through social programs. Attempted armed robbery (no assaults) and cashing bad cheques comes off as actions taken out of desperation.

You're paying more for worse outcomes, and to pretend race or which state this took place in had no bearing on how the courts have handled him is extremely naive, at best.
 
2020-08-07 11:48:52 PM  

rcain: It's almost as if Louisiana is deeply racist and uses it's prison system as a form of legal slavery

But we all know that's crazy talk. America is a shining beacon of freedom and liberty and not even slightly racist, not one bit


Can you imagine what this would look like in a "three strikes" state?
 
2020-08-07 11:50:01 PM  
Not sure about the men, but I'm all for black women clipping their hedges.

/especially in Louisiana
 
2020-08-08 12:03:03 AM  

LZeitgeist: He hasn't got a life sentence because of the hedge clippers - he's got a life sentence because he's got a long history of repeat offenses.

Gotta read more than the headline. I guess he should have picked a better hobby.

Is it extreme? Yeah. Too much? Maybe. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, and it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.


No, actually he got a life sentence for stealing hedge clippers. Like, literally.
 
2020-08-08 12:03:46 AM  

LZeitgeist: it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.


Yes, yes it does. It demonstrably, historically does.
 
2020-08-08 12:04:14 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say his punishment is justified... And then say why you disagree.

Don't pretend some guy accidently forgot to pay for hedge clippers and got life in prison for being black.

If you have to misrepresent your position, it's probably a crappy position.


Except... He literally was just sentenced to life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.
 
2020-08-08 12:04:16 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: But it isn't fine to pretend this man was given life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.


It also isn't fine to pretend that the issue is his history of previous crime.  The fact remains that the man lost his freedom because of a minor property offense.  He was a free man, having been deemed by the state to have paid his previous debts to society.  He then stole something worth what, $30?  Years after his previous offenses?  White people don't suffer these sorts of outcomes in the legal system unless they have tattoos on their foreheads.  Get real.
 
2020-08-08 12:14:36 AM  

adj_m: Fark_Guy_Rob: stuartp9: Fark_Guy_Rob: 1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

So.. putting him in jail has done nothing to reform him.  It's just a way of sweeping him under the carpet and forgetting about the inherent problems.

1.) So.. We all agree he wasn't given life for stealing hedge clippers, right?

2.) I'm not sure your point. The US prison system isn't great at reforming people, but as long as he is in prison he can't break into your house and try to steal from you. That's why people support these types of laws. My personal justice system says he should have been put to death after the attempted armed robbery... Though I acknowledge most people find that extreme. My approach would have prevented all of his future crimes though, far more effective than letting him go, and if done properly, far cheaper too.

In any case, I can appreciate people have different feelings about how we should treat him. Maybe you want to move him next to your house or something and give him $500 every week he promises not to commit a crime. I dunno, but I can respect your opinion, even if I disagree.

But if anyone still thinks this guy stole some hedge clippers to end up where he did....I can't respect their opinion on the matter.

The issue is that people aren't willing to pay a fraction of the cost of jailing him for life, in order to attempt real rehabilitation through social programs. Attempted armed robbery (no assaults) and cashing bad cheques comes off as actions taken out of desperation.

You're paying more for worse outcomes, and to pretend race or which state this took place in had no bearing on how the courts have handled him is extremely naive, at best.


The issue you have presented is very different than the issue many here have.

A - Omg black man gets life sentence for stealing hedge clippers.

B - Maybe we should try something besides life in prison for long term, repeat offenders, even if they have done some serious and potentially dangerous stuff because we can get better outcomes.

The real problem is that nobody is going to talk about your issue (B) when they think A is happening. Just look at the first handful of comments here.
 
2020-08-08 12:20:58 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: rcain: Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say hi ...


Did he serve his sentences for the previous crimes which he committed?
 
2020-08-08 12:21:48 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say his punishment is justified... And then say why you disagree.

Don't pretend some guy accidently forgot to pay for hedge clippers and got life in prison for being black.

If you have to misrepresent your position, it's probably a crappy position.

Except... He literally was just sentenced to life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.


He violated the habitual offender law.

L R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders

All of his previous crimes were part of that offense and considered in his sentence.

I'm not saying it is right. I'm not saying I agree. I'm not saying you should agree. But that is the law in the jurisdiction where he was prosecuted and found guilty.
 
2020-08-08 12:25:12 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Instead of stealing, he should of started a hedge fund.


He definately should of.
 
2020-08-08 12:30:21 AM  

derpes_simplex: Fark_Guy_Rob: But it isn't fine to pretend this man was given life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.

It also isn't fine to pretend that the issue is his history of previous crime.  The fact remains that the man lost his freedom because of a minor property offense.  He was a free man, having been deemed by the state to have paid his previous debts to society.  He then stole something worth what, $30?  Years after his previous offenses?  White people don't suffer these sorts of outcomes in the legal system unless they have tattoos on their foreheads.  Get real.


That's not how the legal system works. As evidenced by this, and countless other laws.

For better or worse, when you commit a crime and get out of prison you do not have a clean slate. You have a criminal history, except in rare cases.

Your criminal history is absolutely considered in the future. It's even codified into specific laws. Like this one, that this man violated.

The habitual offender law (La. R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders

Consideration of past offenses and laws like these are neither new, nor unique to the United States.

Now, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying these are good laws. I'm not saying you should think they are a good thing. There is an entire section on Wikipedia listing out criticisms of these types of laws:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habit​u​al_offender

But *that* is why he was given life. For being a habitual offender, and that means considering all of his past crimes, including the most recent.

I'm not pretending that his history matters, it does matter, according to the law. Regardless of how anyone feels about it.
 
2020-08-08 12:34:05 AM  
To paraphrase Nina Simone, Louisiana goddam
 
2020-08-08 12:36:51 AM  

khatores: Fark_Guy_Rob: rcain: Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say hi ...

Did he serve his sentences for the previous crimes which he committed?


Probably better off asking Google than a random guy on Fark... I have no idea.

If I had to guess, probably.

But you should know, the law doesn't care.

I'm not saying you should agree with the law. Lots of people don't. Three strike laws and repeat offender considerations aren't universally supported.

But they are, currently, the law in many places. Including where this guy committed his crimes. As such, his new crime was a violation of the repeat offender law, in addition to the theft.
 
2020-08-08 12:37:05 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: derpes_simplex: Fark_Guy_Rob: But it isn't fine to pretend this man was given life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.

It also isn't fine to pretend that the issue is his history of previous crime.  The fact remains that the man lost his freedom because of a minor property offense.  He was a free man, having been deemed by the state to have paid his previous debts to society.  He then stole something worth what, $30?  Years after his previous offenses?  White people don't suffer these sorts of outcomes in the legal system unless they have tattoos on their foreheads.  Get real.

That's not how the legal system works. As evidenced by this, and countless other laws.

For better or worse, when you commit a crime and get out of prison you do not have a clean slate. You have a criminal history, except in rare cases.

Your criminal history is absolutely considered in the future. It's even codified into specific laws. Like this one, that this man violated.

The habitual offender law (La. R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders

Consideration of past offenses and laws like these are neither new, nor unique to the United States.

Now, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying these are good laws. I'm not saying you should think they are a good thing. There is an entire section on Wikipedia listing out criticisms of these types of laws:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitu​al_offender

But *that* is why he was given life. For being a habitual offender, and that means considering all of his past crimes, including the most recent.

I'm not pretending that his history matters, it does matter, according to the law. Regardless of how anyone feels about it.


Now, if I'm reading you right, you are saying he only committed one crime, which was stealing some clippers, and that you want black people to go to prison for life if they do nothing more than steal some clippers? That this is your favorite law, and how you want the law to be, because you hate black people and love life sentences?


;)
 
2020-08-08 12:38:34 AM  

Smackledorfer: Fark_Guy_Rob: derpes_simplex: Fark_Guy_Rob: But it isn't fine to pretend this man was given life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.

It also isn't fine to pretend that the issue is his history of previous crime.  The fact remains that the man lost his freedom because of a minor property offense.  He was a free man, having been deemed by the state to have paid his previous debts to society.  He then stole something worth what, $30?  Years after his previous offenses?  White people don't suffer these sorts of outcomes in the legal system unless they have tattoos on their foreheads.  Get real.

That's not how the legal system works. As evidenced by this, and countless other laws.

For better or worse, when you commit a crime and get out of prison you do not have a clean slate. You have a criminal history, except in rare cases.

Your criminal history is absolutely considered in the future. It's even codified into specific laws. Like this one, that this man violated.

The habitual offender law (La. R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders

Consideration of past offenses and laws like these are neither new, nor unique to the United States.

Now, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying these are good laws. I'm not saying you should think they are a good thing. There is an entire section on Wikipedia listing out criticisms of these types of laws:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habitu​al_offender

But *that* is why he was given life. For being a habitual offender, and that means considering all of his past crimes, including the most recent.

I'm not pretending that his history matters, it does matter, according to the law. Regardless of how anyone feels about it.

Now, if I'm reading you right, you are saying he only committed one crime, which was stealing some clippers, and that you want black people to go to prison for life if they do nothing more than steal some clippers? That this is your favorite law, and how you want the law to be, because you hate black people and love life sentences?


;)


This guy gets it.
 
2020-08-08 12:45:14 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the current laws that say his punishment is justified... And then say why you disagree.

Don't pretend some guy accidently forgot to pay for hedge clippers and got life in prison for being black.

If you have to misrepresent your position, it's probably a crappy position.

Except... He literally was just sentenced to life in prison for stealing hedge clippers.

He violated the habitual offender law.

L R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders

All of his previous crimes were part of that offense and considered in his sentence.

I'm not saying it is right. I'm not saying I agree. I'm not saying you should agree. But that is the law in the jurisdiction where he was prosecuted and found guilty.


You're defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers. It's totally farking insane.
 
2020-08-08 12:47:01 AM  

LZeitgeist: But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, and it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.


Oh, you mean like that white kid that raped a drunk girl and got away with it?

The best part is you don't even know which one I mean because there's enough that it doesn't matter.
 
2020-08-08 12:47:05 AM  
Fwiw, the theoretical upside to repeat offender laws is that you can make the first few errors in decision making people make into smaller punishments, without creating a system where they would just assume the penalty and odds of getting caught mean they are better off being lifelong bandits than sort out their shiat and get a job.

That's a good thing. The downside is when the final penalty may outweigh the cost to society of literally letting some guy be a petty criminal all their life.  And the common defense of how expensive jail is is that it is a strong enough deterrent that my above math wouldn't check out.  But here's the thing: the very existence of people in jail under these repeat offender rules suggests for those it applies to, it isn't a great deterrent.

If someone is stealing 20k worth of stuff a year, 20 years in prison at 50k a year to the taxpayer makes no sense.  At that stage we aren't actually protecting the taxpayers from the thievery: we just cost them 2.5 times as much. TFA says a million bucks for around 43+ years, but that doesn't jibe with statistics I've seen in the past. It is different state to state.

But even so, at 20k a year it is probably worth letting him out at some point and spending some money to give him another chance. And yes, I mean infinite more chances. Maybe lock him up for a year at a time or something.
 
2020-08-08 12:48:19 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You're defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers. It's totally farking insane.


I disagree with Rob far more often than not. He quite literally is not defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers, and you'd have to have the reading comprehension of Donald Trump to misread him that badly.
 
2020-08-08 12:56:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You're defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers. It's totally farking insane.

I disagree with Rob far more often than not. He quite literally is not defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers, and you'd have to have the reading comprehension of Donald Trump to misread him that badly.


Fark off. Nowhere in his posts does it say a lifetime sentence is anywhere reasonable even taking into account previous history. This shiathole logic why our prisons are stuffed with black prisoners under ungodly sentencing. Your friend may not think he's gleefully defending such garbage, but he is.
 
2020-08-08 1:04:50 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Smackledorfer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You're defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers. It's totally farking insane.

I disagree with Rob far more often than not. He quite literally is not defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers, and you'd have to have the reading comprehension of Donald Trump to misread him that badly.

Fark off. Nowhere in his posts does it say a lifetime sentence is anywhere reasonable even taking into account previous history. This shiathole logic why our prisons are stuffed with black prisoners under ungodly sentencing. Your friend may not think he's gleefully defending such garbage, but he is.


Yes, I agree with the underlined completely. I'm assuming you meant to type that up a different way?

Here is the thing, in order for you to say someone is defending a thing, you have to show them defending a thing.  At best, even if you could show he actually supports the outcome here, he quite clearly is saying the guy was sentenced for violating a specific law, which wasn't stealing hedge trimmers.

Fark_Guy_Rob: The habitual offender law (La. R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders



Words matter, and Rob hasn't done what you accuse him of.
 
2020-08-08 1:07:10 AM  
Because Bryant had four prior felony convictions, the sentence was legal
 
2020-08-08 1:07:22 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: khatores: Fark_Guy_Rob: rcain: Fark_Guy_Rob: Can we please, collectively, pull our heads out of our crapholes....

Whether you disagree or agree with the supreme court, this deadline is disingenuous as fark. He didn't go to prison for that one offense.

Bryant was convicted in 1979 for attempted armed robbery, in 1987 for possession of stolen things, attempted forgery of a check worth $150 in 1989 and for simple burglary of an inhabited dwelling in 1992, all before his 1997 arrest for the failed attempt at stealing the hedge clippers.

that is why he was given the sentence he was given. Armed Robbery is a very serious offense, and while I can forgive someone who steals from me, I'll never forgive someone who steals with the threat of a weapon. If everyone who attempted armed robbery was put to death, the net impact on society would be hugely positive.

I can forgive a fake check....

I can forgive burglary, but not when someone is home.

1979 he is doing armed robbery, in 1992 he is commiting burglaries...that is 13 years of extreme criminal behavior. How much more of a break do you want to give a guy? At least one, but then he blew that getting caught stealing clippers five years later. 18 years.... And still a criminal?

And let's be honest...crime is easy. It's really easy. If you think this guy is the world's worst criminal who pulled four crimes, in 18 years, and just happened to get caught and convicted each time
...I have a bridge to sell you. Do you have any idea how many friggin petty items I can steal,like hedge clippers, before I get arrested for it?

People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.

But hey, I respect other people's opinions.... If you disagree, fine. If you think he just needs another five years of criminal activity before he gets caught again or something... Cool. That's a reasonable position.

But be honest about it. Paint an accurate picture of what he has done, present the ...


Apparently that's the case, although stealing the hedge clippers seems like it would be a misdemeanor.

Any court operating in the 21st century United States should not be upholding these "three strikes" laws. They should be ruled unconstitutional and anyone sentenced under them should be resentenced.

Further, I'm (generally) a supporter of the idea that once you serve your sentence, your full rights should be restored, with some reasonable exceptions - namely, registration requirements for violent sex offenders (not 18 year olds bopping 16 year olds) and firearms restrictions for violent offenders.

Otherwise, the majority of offenses should not show up on employment background checks and should not disqualify people from most things in life. Voting rights should be restored. When people reenter society, they should reenter society fully, not be constantly tripped up and hampered by past offenses.
 
2020-08-08 1:09:38 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm not saying it is right. I'm not saying I agree. I'm not saying you should agree. But that is the law in the jurisdiction where he was prosecuted and found guilty.


I don't give a fark if it's the law (and neither apparently does the Chief Justice of the LA Supreme Court).  It's a racist law, specifically applied in a racist manner, in the footsteps of many other similar racist laws that have existed since the Civil War.  In this man's case, it resulted in a heinous miscarriage of justice, just as it has many mnay times before, as is was specifically designed to do.

And you're in here tacitly supporting it by biatching about the joke in the headline.  This is institutional racism, pure and simple.  Speak out against it, or you tacitly support it.  There is no "middle ground" or moderate position on this. Are you a shiatbag racist?  If not, get the fark off the fence and prove it.
 
2020-08-08 1:15:47 AM  

Abox: Because Bryant had four prior felony convictions, the sentence was legal


Legal... and totally unconscionable if you have any sense of human decency.

Anyone who believes that something being legal makes it morally justifiable (or the inverse, for that matter) has a fundamentally broken worldview and is probably a flaming asshole to boot.
 
2020-08-08 1:17:57 AM  

Smackledorfer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Smackledorfer: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: You're defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers. It's totally farking insane.

I disagree with Rob far more often than not. He quite literally is not defending a lifetime sentence for stealing hedge trimmers, and you'd have to have the reading comprehension of Donald Trump to misread him that badly.

Fark off. Nowhere in his posts does it say a lifetime sentence is anywhere reasonable even taking into account previous history. This shiathole logic why our prisons are stuffed with black prisoners under ungodly sentencing. Your friend may not think he's gleefully defending such garbage, but he is.

Yes, I agree with the underlined completely. I'm assuming you meant to type that up a different way?

Here is the thing, in order for you to say someone is defending a thing, you have to show them defending a thing.  At best, even if you could show he actually supports the outcome here, he quite clearly is saying the guy was sentenced for violating a specific law, which wasn't stealing hedge trimmers.

Fark_Guy_Rob: The habitual offender law (La. R.S. 15:529.1), a law that allows a judge to impose a stiffer sentence on repeat offenders


Words matter, and Rob hasn't done what you accuse him of.


Oh, I understand what he's doing. He's defending racist behavior by the justices by pointing to statutes if law, claiming they enforce this racism. They do no such thing.

They're were dozens of ways to respond to this and he chose to pretend the quoted law forces a lifetime sentence for the stealing of shears.

That's the sort of punitive, racial thinking that needs to evaporate yesterday. That you're defending it ... well, I think you need to check your head, too.
 
2020-08-08 1:18:01 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: My approach would...


...make the premeditated murder of innocent people at the hands of the state a somewhat regular occurrence. Courts are only human, they mess up massively every now and then. (And that's when the system hasn't been designed or warped to make certain mistakes commonplace.) We don't have divine providence to tell us who did something, or to tell us when what seems obvious is only so because of what we don't know.

Now if you want to have people not re-offend without also having to worry about what to do with the innocent corpses, attempts to actually rehabilitate people in prison have at times produced some pretty damn good results. The Norwegians in particular appears to have had great success with taking this very, very far. So it seems you can have a very significant drop in recidivism, and that without murdering people. You just have to give up on taking revenge.
 
2020-08-08 1:18:08 AM  

Smackledorfer: Words matter


So do intentions, and we all know what Rob's are.  Your hair-splitting semantic quibbles and intellectual masturbation doesn't change that in the slightest.
 
2020-08-08 1:21:22 AM  

LZeitgeist: He hasn't got a life sentence because of the hedge clippers - he's got a life sentence because he's got a long history of repeat offenses.

Gotta read more than the headline. I guess he should have picked a better hobby.

Is it extreme? Yeah. Too much? Maybe. But if you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, and it doesn't matter what color you are or what state you live in.


Repeat offender? Like Matt Gaetz?

This dude was a repeat offender of non-violent, generally misdemeanor-level crimes. Yeah, he was stupid to keep doing it, but if I were a Louisiana taxpayer, I'd want the cops and the courts to focus on the repeat, violent, felony offenders.

This guy just became a 10-cent-an-hour indentured servant of the state.

Every state needs slave labor, right?
 
2020-08-08 1:22:24 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Oh, I understand what he's doing.


If you did you wouldn't have accused him of what you accused him of. He very clearly didn't say what you said he did.

You, "you are defending sentence X for law Y"
Him, "I'm saying he was given sentence X for law Z, and am not saying saying that sentence was appropriate"

You are literally putting an argument in his mouth to work yourself up over. It is like self-trolling.

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: That you're defending it ... well, I think you need to check your head, too.


If you are now accusing me of defending the sentence as well, feel free to read my other post and respond to my thoughts on the situation. If, instead of replying to what I've actually said about the sentence, you would rather just make shiat up, I guess that's your prerogative and I can put you on ignore. I'm done wasting time with liars around here.

Smackledorfer: Fwiw, the theoretical upside to repeat offender laws is that you can make the first few errors in decision making people make into smaller punishments, without creating a system where they would just assume the penalty and odds of getting caught mean they are better off being lifelong bandits than sort out their shiat and get a job.

That's a good thing. The downside is when the final penalty may outweigh the cost to society of literally letting some guy be a petty criminal all their life.  And the common defense of how expensive jail is is that it is a strong enough deterrent that my above math wouldn't check out.  But here's the thing: the very existence of people in jail under these repeat offender rules suggests for those it applies to, it isn't a great deterrent.

If someone is stealing 20k worth of stuff a year, 20 years in prison at 50k a year to the taxpayer makes no sense.  At that stage we aren't actually protecting the taxpayers from the thievery: we just cost them 2.5 times as much. TFA says a million bucks for around 43+ years, but that doesn't jibe with statistics I've seen in the past. It is different state to state.

But even so, at 20k a year it is probably worth letting him out at some point and spending some money to give him another chance. And yes, I mean infinite more chances. Maybe lock him up for a year at a time or something.

 
2020-08-08 1:26:38 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: People want to make this a race thing; but I don't care about his race. Anyone who lived as he has is trash.


It's good that you aren't judging this based upon his race. Unfortunately the American justice system can't make the same claim. According to the US government, both race and gender have a statistically significant effect on the sentences given. Black men as a group are given tougher sentences than white men who commit the same crimes. White men are given tougher sentences than women of any race.

This is the core of the problem. It isn't so much about how you or I or any other individual treat racial issues. It's about the way institutions created during the time of slavery and segregation continue to create an unequal society today.

This is also why 'white guilt' is a right-wing myth, by the way. No one alive created this institutionalised inequality, therefore no one is or should feel guilty about its existence, even if we have personally benefited from it. What should be done is a commitment towards a just and fair society now and in the future. We should be restructuring our institutions. Not because we're evil or wrong for having inherited them, but because we believe in the principles of liberty and justice that is truly for all.
 
2020-08-08 1:30:24 AM  
I have no problem with the concept of penalties for crimes going up due to criminal history. But life for hedge clippers? Insane. At best double or triple the penalty but this goes against the idea of any sort of fairness. Just telling criminals with rap sheets instead of simply stealing from someone you might as well kill them and bury them as the penalty is now the same. And more likely to get away with it with no witnesses.
 
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