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2020-08-07 10:47:52 PM  
Oh and this link is on TF:  https://whyy.org/articles/these-covi​d-​19-patients-survived-but-they-never-re​covered/

Looks like hospitals are starting up long hauler clinics from that hospital.
 
2020-08-07 10:48:33 PM  

Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.


Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".
 
2020-08-07 10:48:59 PM  

Jill Came Down With Two-Fifty: So, increasingly messed up symptoms till you die. Within a couple years, all undesirables are wiped out of the gene pool. 50 - 60 million dead tops. And if we curb testing it will be even less because when you sweep shiat under the rug, you don't know about it, duh.

Defund testing! hashtag f*ck liberals

/if at this point you still support Trump, you are trash


if you ever supported him, you are to blame for this.
 
2020-08-07 10:51:19 PM  

derpes_simplex: What I am saying is that with as widespread as this disease is, along with the disease of attention-whoring, and narcissism, not to mention the host of psychological conditions that lead people to imagined illness, be prepared for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork telling stories like this.  Not all of them will be on the level.


Be that as it may, I have a 30-something coworker who now sees a cardiologist (and a pulmonologist, I'm told) following a C19 bout that wasn't bad enough to require hospitalization. If someone tells me they still have symptoms then I'll be inclined to believe them.
 
2020-08-07 10:51:50 PM  

Mikey1969: Stibium: Myself and science would be very interested in the list of 50 symptoms.

I've had so much shiat happen this spring/summer that I'm starting to wonder about this as well...

Starts with a rash. Which I thought might be shingles at first, because it looked like it was following a nerve path. 2-3 days later, it's everywhere. Doesn't itch, it farking burns. Turns out, the lipids in my skin have decided to sit out this pandemic, and I am kind of dehydrating, but can't fix it by drinking liquids. Every day, I have to take two showers, apply a steroid cream, and then Cetaphil over it. My whole body. It looks normal for about two hours, then it looks like this in the good areas:
[images.medicinenet.com image 493x335]

And the rest of the skin looks like this, not as bad, maybe 85%, but this is what I will have all down my back, from my feet to my upper thighs, and down my sides.
[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 507x338]

Also, I've lost 20 lbs. I only weighed 145 to begin with.

I sweat all night, regardless of temperature, I'm cool to the touch, but the bed and pillow will be soaked.

My nose has been drizzling like a faucet. Same with my eyes. They've been raw and sore from the constant flow for like 2 months.

I have horrible heat tolerance. A few weekends ago, we went to the farmer's market, it was maybe 83, and I lasted about 10 seconds until I felt like I needed to stand in the shade. 20 minutes of walking around, and I was completely wiped out. And with cold, I had to wear a sweater in the house until the temps were in the mid 70s.

My hair is so dry and straw-like that I haven't washed it in a month, so I would quit stripping out the few oils that were there.

I have that whole non-productive cough thing, but it comes every week or two, lasts a few days, and goes away. Not like any cough I've had before, and I'm kind of a professional with the whole coughing thing. :-)

There are a few more I can't think of at the moment, all new since somewhere around the end of March. The doctor is now testing for literally everything, he can't figure it out. Most of my symptoms lined up with a thyroid issue, but that was fine. He's now testing for every cancer he can, I'm getting an endoscope and a colonoscopy (Tuesday), a biopsy of the rash (Wednesday), a CT of my chest to investigate a possible cloudy area (Friday), and meeting with an endocrinologist in about 2 weeks, because nobody can figure out WTF is up.

I really AM starting to wonder if I have some totally unique reaction to COVID. I'm hoping they'll discover that I'm the patient zero version of a cure and I'll make a million bucks. :-)

But seriously, it's a shiat ton of shiat that has all gone wrong at once and lines up perfectly with the pandemic. A little freaky. But, my last COVID test was negative, and because of the procedure on Tuesday, I have to take another (yay!) tomorrow, which will probably be negative. I'm pretty sure my warranty just ran out is all.  But with all of the weird shiat I have, I wouldn't write someone off for being worried when they have a whole slew of shiat go wrong.


Any chance a super specific allergy? You should get your house tested for mold.
And maybe take a look at what you are eating.
 
2020-08-07 10:53:55 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: He's trying a lot of stuff to try to find relief. He won't tell me but I suspect maybe HGH and CBD.


I follow a lot of the latest research, there's a handful of papers that indicate that Post COVID might be more of an autoimmune issue, similar to people who have had Lymes disease. There's a Doctor that tried his 'cocktail' of OTC items that he treats his Lymes patients with, and he decided to try it with his COVID patients. 

Now, we're in the realm of bleeding edge research and I'm also sure there's a lot of quackery out there. But I decided to give it a shot, as the components are readily available.

I can tell you that it does help me. I'm not sure if it's psychological, or placebo, or what have you. I can tell you that the days I do not take it do seem to be harder. 

Here's the 'cocktail':

Alpha-Lipolic Acid, 600 grams
Glutathione, 500 grams
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 500 grams

On top of that I take a daily comprehensive vitamin as well as the following: 

Vitamin D3, 3000 units
Vitamin C, 1000 grams

And here's the article: 

http://westchester.news12.com/story/4​2​383284/hudson-valley-doctor-touts-lyme​-disease-treatment-as-option-for-covid​19-patients
 
2020-08-07 10:56:03 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.

Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".


Dude, holy crap, I had no idea that was a thing with PTSD. I *definately* have some form of PTSD, as told to me directly by my Doctor. "You almost died, Znuh." She said. "You of course have PTSD from this."
 
2020-08-07 10:58:42 PM  
1 kid, 17 years old died from covid in Florida..........1 kid


/i laugh at your 99.9% and raise you a couple of digits more...
 
2020-08-07 10:59:07 PM  

Mikey1969: But seriously, it's a shiat ton of shiat that has all gone wrong at once and lines up perfectly with the pandemic. A little freaky. But, my last COVID test was negative, and because of the procedure on Tuesday, I have to take another (yay!) tomorrow, which will probably be negative. I'm pretty sure my warranty just ran out is all.  But with all of the weird shiat I have, I wouldn't write someone off for being worried when they have a whole slew of shiat go wrong.


Every symptom you have are the same as my long-hauler. MD friend has...Skin rash too...only he had bleeding kidneys too.  His wife and sister-in-law also had those symptoms but they slowly got better. He hasn't gotten better yet.

And....it's probably not mold. You will also probably test negative like he does. Positive COVID-19 tests aren't usually something that are associated with long-hauler symptoms...supported by publications.
 
2020-08-07 11:00:35 PM  

WTP 2: 1 kid, 17 years old died from covid in Florida..........1 kid


/i laugh at your 99.9% and raise you a couple of digits more...


WTF are you on about?  There's been more than one "kid."  They just don't get on the front pages.
 
2020-08-07 11:02:55 PM  

Katie98_KT: Mikey1969: Stibium: Myself and science would be very interested in the list of 50 symptoms.

I've had so much shiat happen this spring/summer that I'm starting to wonder about this as well...

Starts with a rash. Which I thought might be shingles at first, because it looked like it was following a nerve path. 2-3 days later, it's everywhere. Doesn't itch, it farking burns. Turns out, the lipids in my skin have decided to sit out this pandemic, and I am kind of dehydrating, but can't fix it by drinking liquids. Every day, I have to take two showers, apply a steroid cream, and then Cetaphil over it. My whole body. It looks normal for about two hours, then it looks like this in the good areas:
[images.medicinenet.com image 493x335]

And the rest of the skin looks like this, not as bad, maybe 85%, but this is what I will have all down my back, from my feet to my upper thighs, and down my sides.
[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 507x338]

Also, I've lost 20 lbs. I only weighed 145 to begin with.

I sweat all night, regardless of temperature, I'm cool to the touch, but the bed and pillow will be soaked.

My nose has been drizzling like a faucet. Same with my eyes. They've been raw and sore from the constant flow for like 2 months.

I have horrible heat tolerance. A few weekends ago, we went to the farmer's market, it was maybe 83, and I lasted about 10 seconds until I felt like I needed to stand in the shade. 20 minutes of walking around, and I was completely wiped out. And with cold, I had to wear a sweater in the house until the temps were in the mid 70s.

My hair is so dry and straw-like that I haven't washed it in a month, so I would quit stripping out the few oils that were there.

I have that whole non-productive cough thing, but it comes every week or two, lasts a few days, and goes away. Not like any cough I've had before, and I'm kind of a professional with the whole coughing thing. :-)

There are a few more I can't think of at the moment, all new since somewhere around the end of March. The doctor is now testing for literally everything, he can't figure it out. Most of my symptoms lined up with a thyroid issue, but that was fine. He's now testing for every cancer he can, I'm getting an endoscope and a colonoscopy (Tuesday), a biopsy of the rash (Wednesday), a CT of my chest to investigate a possible cloudy area (Friday), and meeting with an endocrinologist in about 2 weeks, because nobody can figure out WTF is up.

I really AM starting to wonder if I have some totally unique reaction to COVID. I'm hoping they'll discover that I'm the patient zero version of a cure and I'll make a million bucks. :-)

But seriously, it's a shiat ton of shiat that has all gone wrong at once and lines up perfectly with the pandemic. A little freaky. But, my last COVID test was negative, and because of the procedure on Tuesday, I have to take another (yay!) tomorrow, which will probably be negative. I'm pretty sure my warranty just ran out is all.  But with all of the weird shiat I have, I wouldn't write someone off for being worried when they have a whole slew of shiat go wrong.

Any chance a super specific allergy? You should get your house tested for mold.
And maybe take a look at what you are eating.


Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.
 
2020-08-07 11:02:58 PM  

Znuh: halifaxdatageek: Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.

Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".

Dude, holy crap, I had no idea that was a thing with PTSD. I *definately* have some form of PTSD, as told to me directly by my Doctor. "You almost died, Znuh." She said. "You of course have PTSD from this."


I know long haulers who have phantom fevers and night sweats who don't have PTSD... They were never hospitalized and didn't have severe symptoms. But there they are.
 
2020-08-07 11:03:15 PM  

Znuh: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: He's trying a lot of stuff to try to find relief. He won't tell me but I suspect maybe HGH and CBD.

I follow a lot of the latest research, there's a handful of papers that indicate that Post COVID might be more of an autoimmune issue, similar to people who have had Lymes disease. There's a Doctor that tried his 'cocktail' of OTC items that he treats his Lymes patients with, and he decided to try it with his COVID patients. 

Now, we're in the realm of bleeding edge research and I'm also sure there's a lot of quackery out there. But I decided to give it a shot, as the components are readily available.

I can tell you that it does help me. I'm not sure if it's psychological, or placebo, or what have you. I can tell you that the days I do not take it do seem to be harder. 

Here's the 'cocktail':

Alpha-Lipolic Acid, 600 grams
Glutathione, 500 grams
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 500 grams

On top of that I take a daily comprehensive vitamin as well as the following: 

Vitamin D3, 3000 units
Vitamin C, 1000 grams

And here's the article: 

http://westchester.news12.com/story/42​383284/hudson-valley-doctor-touts-lyme​-disease-treatment-as-option-for-covid​19-patients


It's interesting you mention autoimmunity and the 'hot head' syndrome above. I have an autoimmune condition (ulcerative colitis) and I had something similiar a few years back when I was having a bit of a flare up where my arms and trunk felt like they were burning but the actual skin temperature was normal. The doctors weren't sure exactly what it was or if it was even related to my condition or a coincindence. It went away on its own after a few months and thankfully hasn't recurred.
 
2020-08-07 11:05:53 PM  

Mikey1969: Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.


The skin rashes are classic long haul symptoms.  Regular doctors don't know how to deal with this yet. There are no medical precedents and not enough people in formal studies to make any sense of this yet.

Do you have an immunologist?
 
2020-08-07 11:07:12 PM  

Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?


from what I ve read I think we have a winner here
 
2020-08-07 11:08:18 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.

The skin rashes are classic long haul symptoms.  Regular doctors don't know how to deal with this yet. There are no medical precedents and not enough people in formal studies to make any sense of this yet.

Do you have an immunologist?


Shiat, probably. 😁 The Healthcare we have has great coverage, and a long list of specialists, so that could be a good one.
 
2020-08-07 11:09:16 PM  

Znuh: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: He's trying a lot of stuff to try to find relief. He won't tell me but I suspect maybe HGH and CBD.

I follow a lot of the latest research, there's a handful of papers that indicate that Post COVID might be more of an autoimmune issue, similar to people who have had Lymes disease. There's a Doctor that tried his 'cocktail' of OTC items that he treats his Lymes patients with, and he decided to try it with his COVID patients. 

Now, we're in the realm of bleeding edge research and I'm also sure there's a lot of quackery out there. But I decided to give it a shot, as the components are readily available.

I can tell you that it does help me. I'm not sure if it's psychological, or placebo, or what have you. I can tell you that the days I do not take it do seem to be harder. 

Here's the 'cocktail':

Alpha-Lipolic Acid, 600 grams
Glutathione, 500 grams
N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, 500 grams

On top of that I take a daily comprehensive vitamin as well as the following: 

Vitamin D3, 3000 units
Vitamin C, 1000 grams

And here's the article: 

http://westchester.news12.com/story/42​383284/hudson-valley-doctor-touts-lyme​-disease-treatment-as-option-for-covid​19-patients


Yea...there are lupus-like gene signatures in data from acute covid-19 too.  Long term immune dysfunction is a hypothesis. Cause unknown.
 
2020-08-07 11:09:26 PM  

Znuh: halifaxdatageek: Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.

Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".

Dude, holy crap, I had no idea that was a thing with PTSD. I *definately* have some form of PTSD, as told to me directly by my Doctor. "You almost died, Znuh." She said. "You of course have PTSD from this."


As far as my non-medical understanding goes, PTSD symptoms can basically be anything that happened to you during the traumatic event.
 
2020-08-07 11:12:38 PM  

Mikey1969: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.

The skin rashes are classic long haul symptoms.  Regular doctors don't know how to deal with this yet. There are no medical precedents and not enough people in formal studies to make any sense of this yet.

Do you have an immunologist?

Shiat, probably. 😁 The Healthcare we have has great coverage, and a long list of specialists, so that could be a good one.


It might be hard to get an appointment but someone who deals in autoimmune diseases might be a good one.
 
2020-08-07 11:16:21 PM  

Stibium: Chuck87: Stibium: Myself and science would be very interested in the list of 50 symptoms.

Watch the video at around the 1:04 mark.

They cut the clip short, unfortunately. It does look like she got everything conceivable except organ failure and death. And it didn't mention if she's is still positive, bu I suspect not or they would have certainly mentioned it.

Probably got a massive, short term exposure to the nose and it got in very aggressively through the olfactory nerves, well before it made its way into her lungs. The gastro symptoms have been most intriguing got me, and makes me seriously wonder if people experiencing that got infected through contaminated food or drink. Its hard to fathom it getting into the inner intestinal lining through the bloodstream unless you have extreme viral load in your blood stream, which at that point you'll be wishing you were dying of dysentery instead of covid.


Intestinal problems are extremely common with Covid-19, which is not at all surprising.  Lots of viruses have a strategy of attacking endothelial cells: those are the ones that line your nose, and your lungs, and your bloodstream, and your intestine .  They're a great way in, and out, of the human body.

There's no barrier to speak of between your bloodstream and your intestinal lining; the whole point of your intestine is to make it easy for stuff to get from your food to your blood.  Any virus in your blood will infect your intestinal endothelium easily.  You don't need "extreme viral load", just a normal infection that reaches your blood.  The converse is also possible: a good dose of virus in your food (e.g. that got there via the classic "fecal-oral route")  may infect you via your intestine.  [The virus does not normally survive the acidity of the stomach, but people who take high-dose antacids are at risk.]

In the case of Covid-19, the primary route of infection is the ACE-2 receptor.  That's found on the surface of a whole bunch of cells.  The cells with the _most_ ACE-2 receptors are:
- pneumocytes (in the lung)
-enterocytes (in the small intestine)
 
2020-08-07 11:16:40 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.

The skin rashes are classic long haul symptoms.  Regular doctors don't know how to deal with this yet. There are no medical precedents and not enough people in formal studies to make any sense of this yet.

Do you have an immunologist?

Shiat, probably. 😁 The Healthcare we have has great coverage, and a long list of specialists, so that could be a good one.

It might be hard to get an appointment but someone who deals in autoimmune diseases might be a good one.


Yeah a possible autoimmune disorder was brought up, too.
 
2020-08-07 11:20:23 PM  

Mikey1969: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: Food has been normal. Meaning all over the place, pretty varied. But an allergy may be a possibility. It's weird as fark, that's for sure. If they don't find anything from all of these freaking tests, I might go see the allergist. When the dermatologist takes the biopsy, I'll ask his opinion on that one.

The skin rashes are classic long haul symptoms.  Regular doctors don't know how to deal with this yet. There are no medical precedents and not enough people in formal studies to make any sense of this yet.

Do you have an immunologist?

Shiat, probably. 😁 The Healthcare we have has great coverage, and a long list of specialists, so that could be a good one.

It might be hard to get an appointment but someone who deals in autoimmune diseases might be a good one.

Yeah a possible autoimmune disorder was brought up, too.


I know of people who study mitochondrial disease and it's been brought up several times that some of the long term symptoms mimic symptoms of mitochondrial disorders.  Which might also explain any efficacy from some of the cocktail discussed up above in terms of Lyme disease.
 
2020-08-07 11:22:33 PM  

Stibium: Myself and science would be very interested in the list of 50 symptoms.


I wish I could help yourself.
 
2020-08-07 11:23:56 PM  
I wonder if Covid triggers auto-immune disorders?
 
2020-08-07 11:28:43 PM  

nartreb: Stibium: Chuck87: Stibium: Myself and science would be very interested in the list of 50 symptoms.

Watch the video at around the 1:04 mark.

They cut the clip short, unfortunately. It does look like she got everything conceivable except organ failure and death. And it didn't mention if she's is still positive, bu I suspect not or they would have certainly mentioned it.

Probably got a massive, short term exposure to the nose and it got in very aggressively through the olfactory nerves, well before it made its way into her lungs. The gastro symptoms have been most intriguing got me, and makes me seriously wonder if people experiencing that got infected through contaminated food or drink. Its hard to fathom it getting into the inner intestinal lining through the bloodstream unless you have extreme viral load in your blood stream, which at that point you'll be wishing you were dying of dysentery instead of covid.

Intestinal problems are extremely common with Covid-19, which is not at all surprising.  Lots of viruses have a strategy of attacking endothelial cells: those are the ones that line your nose, and your lungs, and your bloodstream, and your intestine .  They're a great way in, and out, of the human body.

There's no barrier to speak of between your bloodstream and your intestinal lining; the whole point of your intestine is to make it easy for stuff to get from your food to your blood.  Any virus in your blood will infect your intestinal endothelium easily.  You don't need "extreme viral load", just a normal infection that reaches your blood.  The converse is also possible: a good dose of virus in your food (e.g. that got there via the classic "fecal-oral route")  may infect you via your intestine.  [The virus does not normally survive the acidity of the stomach, but people who take high-dose antacids are at risk.]

In the case of Covid-19, the primary route of infection is the ACE-2 receptor.  That's found on the surface of a whole bunch of cells.  The cells ...


We have one long tube from mouth/ nose to anus. The virus would just have to migrate down.
 
2020-08-07 11:29:35 PM  
But she's not dead, so to the covidiots, it's nothing to worry about.
 
2020-08-07 11:32:55 PM  

Artist: backhand.slap.of.reason: Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?

It's possible that SARS-CoV-2 persists despite seroconversion.  It's also possible that the virus has been eliminated, but that the changes it made to her cells remain.  It's also possible that the signaling dysregulation that is a hallmark of Covid-19 shifted her body to a new hormonal equilibrium that is stable but suboptimal and ultimately injurious.  The CDC was created to figure stuff like this out, but with Trump at the helm it functions only to obfuscate the extent and severity of the epidemic-it's compromise is complete.

The only way Trump* might "understand" COVID, is when Ivanka gets it.


I don't think that would catch his attention, an aide would just (mail) order a replacement
 
2020-08-07 11:34:03 PM  

RedVentrue: I wonder if Covid triggers auto-immune disorders?


There's evidence that this happens w/other viruses.

Just came out -

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC7289100/
 
2020-08-07 11:45:27 PM  

Znuh: halifaxdatageek: Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.

Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".

Dude, holy crap, I had no idea that was a thing with PTSD. I *definately* have some form of PTSD, as told to me directly by my Doctor. "You almost died, Znuh." She said. "You of course have PTSD from this."


A medical doctor isn't qualified to diagnose PTSD
 
2020-08-07 11:46:11 PM  
Oh, and a little more weird backstory on the issues listed up above.

February was a hell month for our IT folks in our HQ in DC. For almost the whole month, someone on our team (about 15 people there) was sick, one after the other, and all missing multiple days, with some struggling in to work, and then going home an hour or two in. With that many people, there would only be 3 or 4 who would have stayed home more than one day, we're workaholics when we're sick, usually.

Then our Phoenix office, pretty much the same story for about 2 weeks. Small office, only around 20 employees there. They were sick so much that my buddy from our Georgia office said "I think they have the plague in Phoenix." as a joke.

I, OTOH, went to bed every night in February sure that I wasn't going to be able to get up the next day, but I bulled my way through. I had to audit 7-800 pieces of equipment that had never been done before, I had to be 75% done before I could travel to our remote office, and since I had to book that a month out, there wasn't wiggle room.

Anyway, I never actually got sick. And these different locations matter because our company had extensive travel, so I can guarantee that people came from DC to our office in that month. And then that remote office I visited? Phoenix, a week after the last person called in. So m-a-y-b-e we had a breakout in those two offices and I did get sick. I don't know...

So it's been a little bit weirder year for me than some... 😁
 
2020-08-07 11:46:47 PM  
Nope.

Also she's from Clinton.
 
2020-08-07 11:54:32 PM  

halifaxdatageek: Znuh: halifaxdatageek: Znuh: I have no temperature, but you'll get what's known as 'hot head', you'll feel like you're burning up, but...no temp.

Legit question: Have you considered PTSD? I'm no doc, but it's what popped into my head when thinking of causes for "I feel like I have a massive temperature, but objectively I don't".

Dude, holy crap, I had no idea that was a thing with PTSD. I *definately* have some form of PTSD, as told to me directly by my Doctor. "You almost died, Znuh." She said. "You of course have PTSD from this."

As far as my non-medical understanding goes, PTSD symptoms can basically be anything that happened to you during the traumatic event.


Or, you know, completely made up
 
2020-08-08 12:11:20 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: But seriously, it's a shiat ton of shiat that has all gone wrong at once and lines up perfectly with the pandemic. A little freaky. But, my last COVID test was negative, and because of the procedure on Tuesday, I have to take another (yay!) tomorrow, which will probably be negative. I'm pretty sure my warranty just ran out is all.  But with all of the weird shiat I have, I wouldn't write someone off for being worried when they have a whole slew of shiat go wrong.

Every symptom you have are the same as my long-hauler. MD friend has...Skin rash too...only he had bleeding kidneys too.  His wife and sister-in-law also had those symptoms but they slowly got better. He hasn't gotten better yet.

And....it's probably not mold. You will also probably test negative like he does. Positive COVID-19 tests aren't usually something that are associated with long-hauler symptoms...supported by publications.


I'm guessing all of those negative tests are the throat/nose swap tests?  There is a good chance that a stool test will come back positive if you can get them done.
 
2020-08-08 12:11:24 AM  
Centipedes? In my COVID?
 
2020-08-08 12:12:10 AM  

mtrac: derpes_simplex: What I am saying is that with as widespread as this disease is, along with the disease of attention-whoring, and narcissism, not to mention the host of psychological conditions that lead people to imagined illness, be prepared for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork telling stories like this.  Not all of them will be on the level.

Be that as it may, I have a 30-something coworker who now sees a cardiologist (and a pulmonologist, I'm told) following a C19 bout that wasn't bad enough to require hospitalization. If someone tells me they still have symptoms then I'll be inclined to believe them.


As will I generally speaking.  However I might deduct credibility and "should I lose sleep over this" points when I hear stories coming from tabloids and/or places where people are compensated for telling harrowing tales.  Anecdotal stories from farkers and farkers' friends are probably slightly more terrifying to me since they ostensibly don't come with any of that.  I just hope the medical folks can sift out the bullshiat and find treatments for actual side effects of this disease and not, well, the people who think it gave them Morgellons.
 
2020-08-08 12:12:43 AM  

maddermaxx: But she hasn't died, and is therefore absolutely and totally fine, as that's the only two outcomes according to some

most people.

There, I fixed your typo.
 
2020-08-08 12:18:56 AM  

Mikey1969: Oh, and a little more weird backstory on the issues listed up above.

February was a hell month for our IT folks in our HQ in DC. For almost the whole month, someone on our team (about 15 people there) was sick, one after the other, and all missing multiple days, with some struggling in to work, and then going home an hour or two in. With that many people, there would only be 3 or 4 who would have stayed home more than one day, we're workaholics when we're sick, usually.

Then our Phoenix office, pretty much the same story for about 2 weeks. Small office, only around 20 employees there. They were sick so much that my buddy from our Georgia office said "I think they have the plague in Phoenix." as a joke.

I, OTOH, went to bed every night in February sure that I wasn't going to be able to get up the next day, but I bulled my way through. I had to audit 7-800 pieces of equipment that had never been done before, I had to be 75% done before I could travel to our remote office, and since I had to book that a month out, there wasn't wiggle room.

Anyway, I never actually got sick. And these different locations matter because our company had extensive travel, so I can guarantee that people came from DC to our office in that month. And then that remote office I visited? Phoenix, a week after the last person called in. So m-a-y-b-e we had a breakout in those two offices and I did get sick. I don't know...

So it's been a little bit weirder year for me than some... 😁


You could have had a mild case and not known it.  Some people are asymptomatic or close to asymptomatic and later on come up with symptoms.

Also mild acute phase doesn't mean no chance of long term symptoms. There was a recent study published from Germany where the majority of  subjects that didn't need hospitalization also had post-recovery evidence of cardiac abnormalities.
 
2020-08-08 12:24:41 AM  

derpes_simplex: mtrac: derpes_simplex: What I am saying is that with as widespread as this disease is, along with the disease of attention-whoring, and narcissism, not to mention the host of psychological conditions that lead people to imagined illness, be prepared for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork telling stories like this.  Not all of them will be on the level.

Be that as it may, I have a 30-something coworker who now sees a cardiologist (and a pulmonologist, I'm told) following a C19 bout that wasn't bad enough to require hospitalization. If someone tells me they still have symptoms then I'll be inclined to believe them.

As will I generally speaking.  However I might deduct credibility and "should I lose sleep over this" points when I hear stories coming from tabloids and/or places where people are compensated for telling harrowing tales.  Anecdotal stories from farkers and farkers' friends are probably slightly more terrifying to me since they ostensibly don't come with any of that.  I just hope the medical folks can sift out the bullshiat and find treatments for actual side effects of this disease and not, well, the people who think it gave them Morgellons.


And to reply to my own post even, I want to follow up by saying that when bullshiatters are inevitably exposed, I really do hope that people can see past their attention seeking behavior and not lump in actual sufferers with them.  It's clear there will be lots of people with long term side effects in my non-medical opinion, based purely on math and observation.  I hope that the sufferers are not attacked and delegitimized by whatever faction political or medical.  That's a guaranteed farked up thing that is coming - real sufferers being told they're not suffering. For the sake of insurance companies, or as fallout of lawsuits, the attack on long term sufferers is coming soon to a courthouse near you.  And a few cherry-picked neurotics will be cited as examples of why all the suffering is a lie.  Just you watch.  Therefore, be careful how much credibility you lend to any one person or celeb who will inevitably take up this cause, and how much you allow them to speak for an entire group of people.
 
2020-08-08 12:31:16 AM  

derpes_simplex: mtrac: derpes_simplex: What I am saying is that with as widespread as this disease is, along with the disease of attention-whoring, and narcissism, not to mention the host of psychological conditions that lead people to imagined illness, be prepared for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork telling stories like this.  Not all of them will be on the level.

Be that as it may, I have a 30-something coworker who now sees a cardiologist (and a pulmonologist, I'm told) following a C19 bout that wasn't bad enough to require hospitalization. If someone tells me they still have symptoms then I'll be inclined to believe them.

As will I generally speaking.  However I might deduct credibility and "should I lose sleep over this" points when I hear stories coming from tabloids and/or places where people are compensated for telling harrowing tales.  Anecdotal stories from farkers and farkers' friends are probably slightly more terrifying to me since they ostensibly don't come with any of that.  I just hope the medical folks can sift out the bullshiat and find treatments for actual side effects of this disease and not, well, the people who think it gave them Morgellons.


The hardest part is we don't know what most of the immune system is doing. Even in normal everyday life. Sure we have some snapshots of what the main parts of the immune system do in response to different diseases, but we're kind of in the dark on this one. We don't even have a useful, systemic of how a healthy immune system normally operates, nor the experimental systems on the level we need to do the right experiments.

For instance  I'm working with a group who is perturbing different organs of the body with bacterial toxins just to tease out how the immune system reacts to autoimmunity cues. Wait, you might say, that's probably not a great model since auto immune diseases might not arise from the same mechanisms as immune system is responding to bacterial toxins. But they use these kinds of models because they're well characterized. We still look for lost keys under the streetlight.

I'm not an immunology researcher. I just work with them. Everyone is still pulling strings and levers and pushing buttons to see what works from the perturbations.  Heck, in the article that I linked above, they're talking about using different repressors of different immune cell molecules for treatment and a lot of those are based on the fact that we even have those available...not because their use arises from a carefully thought out plan.

We're throwing everything against the wall to see if it'll stick. That's pretty much where we are in terms of understanding the immune system.  It's gonna be really hard to sift through what's going on when we don't completely understand what's going on in normal situations. We need a project like the human genome project, but on the immune system. All the resources there but we just have to have the will.  Animal models aren't the best to understand human immunity even with "humanized" mice...So it's not as easy as i make it sound.
 
2020-08-08 12:35:13 AM  
Nearly 4 months HOLY CRAP. Dont most hoaxes die out sooner than that?
 
2020-08-08 12:48:58 AM  

Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?


Yes.
 
2020-08-08 12:55:11 AM  
Well, I was positive, asymptomatic.

Self quarantined for three weeks just to make sure.

Got the all clear, so I decided to go fishing just to get outside, and tore my distal biceps tendon picking up my kayak, something I've done a thousand times.

Now, I'm having surgery Monday, and will be laid up AGAIN, but this time for six weeks instead of three.

I'm gonna lose my mind being couped up.
 
2020-08-08 12:57:24 AM  

DON.MAC: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Mikey1969: But seriously, it's a shiat ton of shiat that has all gone wrong at once and lines up perfectly with the pandemic. A little freaky. But, my last COVID test was negative, and because of the procedure on Tuesday, I have to take another (yay!) tomorrow, which will probably be negative. I'm pretty sure my warranty just ran out is all.  But with all of the weird shiat I have, I wouldn't write someone off for being worried when they have a whole slew of shiat go wrong.

Every symptom you have are the same as my long-hauler. MD friend has...Skin rash too...only he had bleeding kidneys too.  His wife and sister-in-law also had those symptoms but they slowly got better. He hasn't gotten better yet.

And....it's probably not mold. You will also probably test negative like he does. Positive COVID-19 tests aren't usually something that are associated with long-hauler symptoms...supported by publications.

I'm guessing all of those negative tests are the throat/nose swap tests?  There is a good chance that a stool test will come back positive if you can get them done.


Serology...blood tests. So far, evidence shows subjects who have had COVID-19 can go seronegative after about 2 months. So if you had COVID-19 over two months ago, there's a chance you won't be detected now.  Most of the studies right now are focused and trying to find functional antibodies in people who were freshly infected. But there are a few that have had the time now to look beyond a month.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-persp​e​ctive/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies​-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti​c​les/PMC7386524/
 
2020-08-08 1:08:54 AM  

Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?


She's describing severe delirium.  Naturally being a news story there are a dozen of things left out of the story which are important.  Was she hospitalized, what medications did she take during her illness and about another dozen of useful questions to ask.

The longer answer is delirium is a possible consequence of any severe illness or acute hospitalization.  Ever been very ill as a small child and have reoccurring nightmares?  Could probably be called delirium.  Generally the signs and symptoms are transitory, but longer in duration the more medical intervention needed.  For example being sedated for a few weeks while you are on a ventilator and being pumped full of a dozen high doses of medications when nobody has any specific idea how those drugs may interact differently based on your genotype can cause much longer mental and physical effects than 3 days of a high fever while taking far more dexamethasone.  So it is illness related but not likely related toato specific illness.  But an interesting topic  free to read up on delirium + ICU it's an interesting research topic.
 
2020-08-08 1:14:20 AM  

Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?


If it's been eliminated why is she nervous?
 
2020-08-08 1:27:46 AM  
ok i did find 5 kids in Florida that died with covid, still trying to find if it was from not with.
 
2020-08-08 1:33:01 AM  

Ashelth: Chuck87: Is it possible that the COVID has been eliminated but that it damaged her nervous system?

She's describing severe delirium.  Naturally being a news story there are a dozen of things left out of the story which are important.  Was she hospitalized, what medications did she take during her illness and about another dozen of useful questions to ask.

The longer answer is delirium is a possible consequence of any severe illness or acute hospitalization.  Ever been very ill as a small child and have reoccurring nightmares?  Could probably be called delirium.  Generally the signs and symptoms are transitory, but longer in duration the more medical intervention needed.  For example being sedated for a few weeks while you are on a ventilator and being pumped full of a dozen high doses of medications when nobody has any specific idea how those drugs may interact differently based on your genotype can cause much longer mental and physical effects than 3 days of a high fever while taking far more dexamethasone.  So it is illness related but not likely related toato specific illness.  But an interesting topic  free to read up on delirium + ICU it's an interesting research topic.


before dismissing neuropathies in long haulers as something else...

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la​n​eur/article/PIIS1474-4422(20)30221-0/f​ulltext
 
2020-08-08 1:33:50 AM  

WTP 2: ok i did find 5 kids in Florida that died with covid, still trying to find if it was from not with.


aren't you in the wrong thread?
 
2020-08-08 1:49:04 AM  

derpes_simplex: derpes_simplex: mtrac: derpes_simplex: What I am saying is that with as widespread as this disease is, along with the disease of attention-whoring, and narcissism, not to mention the host of psychological conditions that lead people to imagined illness, be prepared for a lot of people coming out of the woodwork telling stories like this.  Not all of them will be on the level.

Be that as it may, I have a 30-something coworker who now sees a cardiologist (and a pulmonologist, I'm told) following a C19 bout that wasn't bad enough to require hospitalization. If someone tells me they still have symptoms then I'll be inclined to believe them.

As will I generally speaking.  However I might deduct credibility and "should I lose sleep over this" points when I hear stories coming from tabloids and/or places where people are compensated for telling harrowing tales.  Anecdotal stories from farkers and farkers' friends are probably slightly more terrifying to me since they ostensibly don't come with any of that.  I just hope the medical folks can sift out the bullshiat and find treatments for actual side effects of this disease and not, well, the people who think it gave them Morgellons.

And to reply to my own post even, I want to follow up by saying that when bullshiatters are inevitably exposed, I really do hope that people can see past their attention seeking behavior and not lump in actual sufferers with them.  It's clear there will be lots of people with long term side effects in my non-medical opinion, based purely on math and observation.  I hope that the sufferers are not attacked and delegitimized by whatever faction political or medical.  That's a guaranteed farked up thing that is coming - real sufferers being told they're not suffering. For the sake of insurance companies, or as fallout of lawsuits, the attack on long term sufferers is coming soon to a courthouse near you.  And a few cherry-picked neurotics will be cited as examples of why all the suffering is a l ...


Since this is brand new and there are round about 8 billion trials, we'll probably see every symptom/ side effect/ outcome that can possibly happen. I expect anything.
 
2020-08-08 2:11:30 AM  
Mikey1969: ...So m-a-y-b-e we had a breakout in those two offices and I did get sick. I don't know...

I would think an antibody test, to see if you seem to have had COVID in the past, would be worth getting, next time you're at a doctor's office.
 
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