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(Yahoo)   Catholic bishop of Diocese of Lexington: "For this president to call himself pro-life, and for anybody to back him because of claims of being pro-life, is almost willful ignorance. He is so much anti-life because he is only concerned about himself"   (yahoo.com) divider line
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2020-08-07 3:29:22 PM  
Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.
 
2020-08-07 3:31:32 PM  
And you know nobody is more pro-life than someone who will not reproduce and worships a dead guy who had no kids and is nailed to a stick.
 
2020-08-07 4:14:43 PM  
I remember my wife and I watching some HBO documentary about ten years ago, regarding the decades and decades of Catholic sexual abuse of minors.  Her parents are Catholics and she mentioned this show to her mom a couple of days later.  She brought it up to her mom as a conversation topic, not to throw anything to my M-I-L face about how bad and corrupt the Catholic church is.  Her mom tried to dismissed it, that it didn't happened as much as people think and I don't remember how else she tried to spin it away.

Well, she is now a major MAGA supporter, and she left the Catholic church about two years ago because the local priest from her church showed support to immigrants and refugees.  That's what did it... that was what it took for her to leave the Catholic church... not the abuse of little boys, but by her priest showing a humanity concern about immigrants and refugees.  She is a true MAGA deplorable.
 
2020-08-07 4:29:52 PM  
Those Covington kids are throwing their MAGA caps away, right?
 
2020-08-07 4:35:09 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.


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2020-08-07 4:35:25 PM  
Bears Repeating - "Pro-life" only means Pro-birth.
 
2020-08-07 4:35:42 PM  
"almost".... Right, almost willfully ignorant. 🧐
 
2020-08-07 4:36:24 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.


Low quality bait.
 
2020-08-07 4:36:26 PM  

vudukungfu: And you know nobody is more pro-life than someone who will not reproduce and worships a dead guy who had no kids and is nailed to a stick.


You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.
 
2020-08-07 4:37:42 PM  
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2020-08-07 4:38:52 PM  

Icarus_Rising: vudukungfu: And you know nobody is more pro-life than someone who will not reproduce and worships a dead guy who had no kids and is nailed to a stick.

You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.


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2020-08-07 4:39:16 PM  
DIE FOR DARKSEID
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/honestly he'd probably do a better job
 
2020-08-07 4:40:54 PM  
You have to wait for children to be born before you can properly subjugate and exploit them. Allowing women to opt out that continuum will never serve the interests of those who wish to benefit from it.
 
2020-08-07 4:41:08 PM  

Icarus_Rising: You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.


That hasn't been true for about four years now. All there is left is to insult them, because those people that need to be convinced, are an insult to humanity themselves.
 
2020-08-07 4:42:09 PM  
Remember when Trump got booed by Catholics at the Al Smith dinner?
 
2020-08-07 4:42:18 PM  
I ignored someone today.  I won't tell you who it is, but I bet you can guess!
 
2020-08-07 4:42:39 PM  

Icarus_Rising: vudukungfu: And you know nobody is more pro-life than someone who will not reproduce and worships a dead guy who had no kids and is nailed to a stick.

You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.


Tell Ted Cruz that.

/ Oh Snap!
 
2020-08-07 4:43:07 PM  
Trump is only prolife for political reasons. I have no doubt he's paid for at least one abortion.
 
2020-08-07 4:44:00 PM  

Carn: I ignored someone today.  I won't tell you who it is, but I bet you can guess!


I hope it was me. I am on an ignore drive. If I get 1,000 ignores, Drew says I get a free hat.
 
2020-08-07 4:47:50 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: DIE FOR DARKSEID
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/honestly he'd probably do a better job


inventive selling = hostess fruit pies?
 
2020-08-07 4:48:06 PM  
Here's the problem, Trump's Evangelical base hates Catholics to the point where calling someone a papist is a slur. Having the Catholics speak out against Trump is only going to rile up his supporters more. Don't get me wrong, he needs to be called out for every shiatty thing that he does. It's just that in this context his followers will enjoy it because he's upsetting the Catholics with his action and the one thing we can all seem to agree with is that the deplorables are a spiteful bunch.
 
2020-08-07 4:48:39 PM  

vudukungfu: And you know nobody is more pro-life than someone who will not reproduce and worships a dead guy who had no kids and is nailed to a stick.


Zombie worshipping AND meta- canabalism.
 
2020-08-07 4:48:59 PM  

A Terrible Human: Trump is only prolife for political reasons. I have no doubt he's paid for at least one abortion.


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2020-08-07 4:50:13 PM  
Jacking up the price of Totalfark doesn't make me inclined to renew when they won't clean up the turd at the entrance.
 
2020-08-07 4:50:18 PM  
FTFA: "Pope Francis has given us a great definition of what pro-life means," Stowe said. "He basically tells us we can't claim to be pro-life if we support the separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border, if we support exposing people at the border to COVID-19 because of the facilities that they're in, if we support denying people who have need to adequate health care access to health care, if we keep people from getting the housing or the education that they need, we cannot call ourselves pro-life."

He's absolutely right.  In my limited experience, however, there are a lot of Catholics out there who ignore Pope Francis on this issue and solely equate pro-life = anti-abortion.  In effect, they're saying "yeah, we know what the pope said, but in this case he's wrong."  Which is ironic, because these are the same ones criticizing other church members for being "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow.
 
2020-08-07 4:51:30 PM  
How'd you let that dick slip out of your mouth, bishop?

//EABOD
 
2020-08-07 4:51:45 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.


This from someone who supports rapists.
 
2020-08-07 4:54:28 PM  

johnphantom: feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.

This from someone who supports rapists.


John Bolton is a rapist now?
 
2020-08-07 4:55:21 PM  

johnphantom: feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.

This from someone who supports rapists.


He dropped his deuce and ran back to TFD, like always.
 
2020-08-07 4:57:03 PM  

KingBiefWhistle: DIE FOR DARKSEID
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/honestly he'd probably do a better job


I mean, ruthlessness aside he was pretty competent when he didn't have to worry about random super powered demigods thwarting his plans.
 
2020-08-07 4:57:59 PM  

special20: Icarus_Rising: You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.

That hasn't been true for about four years now. All there is left is to insult them, because those people that need to be convinced, are an insult to humanity themselves.


I know. I was borrowing a refrain from some of our more vocal resident "progressives" as a joke.
 
2020-08-07 4:58:58 PM  
"Almost?"
 
2020-08-07 5:04:37 PM  

Icarus_Rising: special20: Icarus_Rising: You know, you'll never convince people to support your position if you insult them all the time.

That hasn't been true for about four years now. All there is left is to insult them, because those people that need to be convinced, are an insult to humanity themselves.

I know. I was borrowing a refrain from some of our more vocal resident "progressives" as a joke.


I hate it when I miss the point... but not as much as everyone else does.
 
2020-08-07 5:13:01 PM  

invictus2: KingBiefWhistle: DIE FOR DARKSEID
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/honestly he'd probably do a better job

inventive selling = hostess fruit pies?


Well, it sure ain't working in the WWE for Vince.
 
2020-08-07 5:19:24 PM  

moresugar: FTFA: "Pope Francis has given us a great definition of what pro-life means," Stowe said. "He basically tells us we can't claim to be pro-life if we support the separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border, if we support exposing people at the border to COVID-19 because of the facilities that they're in, if we support denying people who have need to adequate health care access to health care, if we keep people from getting the housing or the education that they need, we cannot call ourselves pro-life."

He's absolutely right.  In my limited experience, however, there are a lot of Catholics out there who ignore Pope Francis on this issue and solely equate pro-life = anti-abortion.  In effect, they're saying "yeah, we know what the pope said, but in this case he's wrong."  Which is ironic, because these are the same ones criticizing other church members for being "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow.


Yeah, and that's the biggest problem with all this.  Not to mention the fact that a big chunk, if not a majority, of priests and deacons happily imply that you go straight to hell for the unforgivable sin of voting for a Democrat because abortion.  The bishop's statement is a good first step, but when USCoCB actually comes out and states "You can vote for Democrats even if they won't outlaw abortion" that'll be when it matters.
 
2020-08-07 5:23:37 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.


I'm a lapsed Catholic. I'm actually shocked at this.

Usually they try to twist themselves into logic pretzels to justify why they back Trump despite being the embodiment of the Seven Deadly Sins.
 
2020-08-07 5:24:02 PM  

Icarus_Rising: Bears Repeating - "Pro-life" only means Pro-birth.


It only means pro-telling-women-to-do-as-men-want.
 
2020-08-07 5:36:30 PM  

Icarus_Rising: special20: Icarus_Rising: [...]


N☑O
 
2020-08-07 5:44:39 PM  

cendojr: moresugar: FTFA: "Pope Francis has given us a great definition of what pro-life means," Stowe said. "He basically tells us we can't claim to be pro-life if we support the separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border, if we support exposing people at the border to COVID-19 because of the facilities that they're in, if we support denying people who have need to adequate health care access to health care, if we keep people from getting the housing or the education that they need, we cannot call ourselves pro-life."

He's absolutely right.  In my limited experience, however, there are a lot of Catholics out there who ignore Pope Francis on this issue and solely equate pro-life = anti-abortion.  In effect, they're saying "yeah, we know what the pope said, but in this case he's wrong."  Which is ironic, because these are the same ones criticizing other church members for being "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow.

Yeah, and that's the biggest problem with all this.  Not to mention the fact that a big chunk, if not a majority, of priests and deacons happily imply that you go straight to hell for the unforgivable sin of voting for a Democrat because abortion.  The bishop's statement is a good first step, but when USCoCB actually comes out and states "You can vote for Democrats even if they won't outlaw abortion" that'll be when it matters.


Last I heard Priests and Deacons are not the arbiters of who goes to hell, per the Catholic Church.

They are pretty shiatty Catholics if they are telling people voting for one person over another is an automatic go to hell card.  Sounds like they ought to join a Bap-Tist Churr-cha.
 
2020-08-07 5:48:04 PM  
Fine, padre. Far as it goes.

Now explain why your boss in Rome talks a swell game on human rights but rolls over for the Communists in China.
 
2020-08-07 5:49:32 PM  
Huh, wait until they find out about all of the abortions.
 
2020-08-07 5:51:42 PM  

zeroman987: Last I heard Priests and Deacons are not the arbiters of who goes to hell, per the Catholic Church.

They are pretty shiatty Catholics if they are telling people voting for one person over another is an automatic go to hell card.  Sounds like they ought to join a Bap-Tist Churr-cha.


Ever been to a Catholic church during election season?  It's a steady stream of pamphlets and whatnot saying "Vote your conscience, but protecting the life of the most vulnerable [read: fetuses] is the most important aspect."
Everything is subservient to abortion.  The VA church I went to in the early 2000s was tying itself in knots justifying voting for Allen over Webb after Allen outed himself as a virulent racist.
 
2020-08-07 5:55:13 PM  

A Terrible Human: Trump is only prolife for political reasons. I have no doubt he's paid for at least one abortion.


Anytime a person has made a comment about abortion to me in real life, I say to them as folksy as possible and without confrontation, "Are you going to look me in the eye and say in front of these people that deep in your heart you believe Donald Trump has never paid for an abortion? Be honest, here."  So far I haven't seen anyone who doesn't get derailed from partisan talking points at that one.

Follow up with pointing our how little is done to actually end abortion when the GOP is in power. And then with asking what things have been shown to reduce abortion. It very quickly becomes apparent even in casual conversation, that it is about sex and controlling who gets to access it.

Prolifers are taught how to guide their talks to their preferred ground but political reality is that they are being used for votes with nothing to show for it. Someday they'll figure it out and flip the table. Who knows, maybe soon?
 
2020-08-07 6:07:49 PM  

moresugar: FTFA: "Pope Francis has given us a great definition of what pro-life means," Stowe said. "He basically tells us we can't claim to be pro-life if we support the separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border, if we support exposing people at the border to COVID-19 because of the facilities that they're in, if we support denying people who have need to adequate health care access to health care, if we keep people from getting the housing or the education that they need, we cannot call ourselves pro-life."

He's absolutely right.  In my limited experience, however, there are a lot of Catholics out there who ignore Pope Francis on this issue and solely equate pro-life = anti-abortion.  In effect, they're saying "yeah, we know what the pope said, but in this case he's wrong."  Which is ironic, because these are the same ones criticizing other church members for being "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow.


Francis is anti birth control.  He is not pro life either with this stance.
 
2020-08-07 6:16:30 PM  
Start calling them out by name Bishop. Let's start with the head of Priests for Life, Father Frank Pavone.

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2020-08-07 6:21:06 PM  

cendojr: moresugar: FTFA: "Pope Francis has given us a great definition of what pro-life means," Stowe said. "He basically tells us we can't claim to be pro-life if we support the separation of children from their parents at the U.S. border, if we support exposing people at the border to COVID-19 because of the facilities that they're in, if we support denying people who have need to adequate health care access to health care, if we keep people from getting the housing or the education that they need, we cannot call ourselves pro-life."

He's absolutely right.  In my limited experience, however, there are a lot of Catholics out there who ignore Pope Francis on this issue and solely equate pro-life = anti-abortion.  In effect, they're saying "yeah, we know what the pope said, but in this case he's wrong."  Which is ironic, because these are the same ones criticizing other church members for being "cafeteria Catholics" who pick and choose which tenets of the faith they follow.

Yeah, and that's the biggest problem with all this.  Not to mention the fact that a big chunk, if not a majority, of priests and deacons happily imply that you go straight to hell for the unforgivable sin of voting for a Democrat because abortion.  The bishop's statement is a good first step, but when USCoCB actually comes out and states "You can vote for Democrats even if they won't outlaw abortion" that'll be when it matters.


This isn't as strong as you want them to say it, but they've addressed it here. Tl;dr version:

"35. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate's unacceptable position even on policies promoting an intrinsically evil act may reasonably decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.
36. When all candidates hold a position that promotes an intrinsically evil act, the conscientious voter faces a dilemma. The voter may decide to take the extraordinary step of not voting for any candidate or, after careful deliberation, may decide to vote for the candidate deemed less likely to advance such a morally flawed position and more likely to pursue other authentic human goods."

Also Ratzinger addressed it in 2004, when he wrote:

"A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate's permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate's stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons."

An article about that is here.
 
2020-08-07 6:30:47 PM  

special20: Carn: I ignored someone today.  I won't tell you who it is, but I bet you can guess!

I hope it was me. I am on an ignore drive. If I get 1,000 ignores, Drew says I get a free hat.


Sorry, no.  I do like hats though.
 
2020-08-07 6:30:59 PM  
I don't think it's willful ignorance , most of his supporters are just farking stupid .. They'll tell you they support him because of his policies but they can't tell you what those are ..Even Trump can't tell you what they are ..
 
2020-08-07 6:57:10 PM  

feckingmorons: Now you like the Catholics, if they dislike Trump.

Of course you do, you like John Bolton now too.

Sheep.


Well....that was feeble.
 
2020-08-07 6:58:12 PM  
By Catholic standards, this is quick!

Usually it takes them countless decades, if not centuries, to condemn that which they should have condemned from the get-go.
 
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