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2020-08-07 2:26:58 PM  
Capililals? In my vagina?
 
2020-08-07 2:29:44 PM  
those bastards even stole subby's "t"
 
2020-08-07 2:45:54 PM  
Capilaism, that might fly in Poland, but, it ain't going to work here.
 
2020-08-07 2:46:34 PM  
In before the headline is fixed.
 
2020-08-07 2:47:11 PM  
Word to subby: Capilaism has not 2 'it's.
 
2020-08-07 2:47:50 PM  
Something to do with wearing baseball hats?
 
2020-08-07 2:49:50 PM  
Not offended by the missing T.  We dumped that in the harbor.

I am offended by Haves having a capital H and have not having one.  Indefensible.
 
2020-08-07 2:51:02 PM  
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2020-08-07 2:53:07 PM  
TFA is stupid, as is the headline.

No matter what system you have, there will always be a wealth gap.  Even in Communist nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea, you've got dirt poor starving peasants, and the people at the top controlling all the wealth.

And before you say "Well, true Communism hasn't been tried", if you've got 100 years of trying and you murder well over 100 million people attempting to make it work, and it consistently fails, maybe, just maybe, your ideology sucks.
 
2020-08-07 2:54:17 PM  
The saddest part is there are people out there that will really believe that the wealth inequality 6000 years a go was created by capitalism.
 
2020-08-07 3:02:09 PM  
That's not what defines Capitalism, subby.

Wealth inequality exists in every system. It is neither a product of nor the exclusive domain of Capitalism.

Capitalism couldn't exist 6000 years ago because societies back then were 98% agrarian. That is, they accumulated wealth through their land, by farming. Capitalism needs capital -- the means of production -- to exist, and for that you need industry and fractional reserve banking.
 
2020-08-07 3:06:38 PM  
Capitalism is fine, if kept in it's proper perspective.
I loves me some capitalism.
It's an excellent means to create and indemnify wealth.
The problem comes when you start thinking of it as a social system or moral/ethical ideal.
 
2020-08-07 3:09:38 PM  
> the findings suggest that those people buried with trinkets who ate local beef likely belonged to land-owning families-families that had access to more of the good things in life than those people buried without trinkets, providing evidence of a wealth gap.

How about the poor people being slaves? Ownership of people is also capitalism. The grazing grounds didn't need to be owned by individuals while the slaves probably were.
 
2020-08-07 3:12:16 PM  

jso2897: Capitalism is fine, if kept in it's proper perspective.
I loves me some capitalism.
It's an excellent means to create and indemnify wealth.
The problem comes when you start thinking of it as a social system or moral/ethical ideal.


as long as it is reasonably regulated and there are actual consequences for breaking the regulations.

but when the capitalists buy out the regulators as easily as they buy out their competition it falls apart.
 
2020-08-07 3:12:56 PM  

Ishkur: That's not what defines Capitalism, subby.

Wealth inequality exists in every system. It is neither a product of nor the exclusive domain of Capitalism.

Capitalism couldn't exist 6000 years ago because societies back then were 98% agrarian. That is, they accumulated wealth through their land, by farming. Capitalism needs capital -- the means of production -- to exist, and for that you need industry and fractional reserve banking.


Capitalism
"Capitalism" is derived from capital, which evolved from capitale, a late Latin word based on caput, meaning "head"-which is also the origin of "chattel" and "cattle" in the sense of movable property (only much later to refer only to livestock).

So, inasmuch as this article is about some people having access to Cattle for food and others having none..
 
2020-08-07 3:19:17 PM  

Magorn: Capitalism
"Capitalism" is derived from capital, which evolved from capitale, a late Latin word based on caput, meaning "head"-which is also the origin of "chattel" and "cattle" in the sense of movable property (only much later to refer only to livestock).

So, inasmuch as this article is about some people having access to Cattle for food and others having none..


Yes that's the ancient origin of the word, not the meaning of the modern economic system.

Their system can best be described as Latifundium.
 
2020-08-07 3:22:54 PM  
i don't know why capitalism is being blamed here, wealth inequality has always existed. Previous government systems were literally designed around it and you can see it even in animals. Capitalism certainly has its problems but as long as there are enforced regulations it is still better than any other system that has existed.
 
2020-08-07 3:25:20 PM  

dittybopper: TFA is stupid, as is the headline.

No matter what system you have, there will always be a wealth gap.  Even in Communist nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea, you've got dirt poor starving peasants, and the people at the top controlling all the wealth.

And before you say "Well, true Communism hasn't been tried", if you've got 100 years of trying and you murder well over 100 million people attempting to make it work, and it consistently fails, maybe, just maybe, your ideology sucks.


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2020-08-07 3:37:00 PM  

HairBolus: Ownership of people is also capitalism.


Ownership of people is every system.

Not sure why you people are looking at basic functions of economics -- trading, using money, owning things, accumulating wealth -- and attributing them exclusively to Capitalism.

I want to explain more but I gotta run, so I'll just say this: Every system before Capitalism saw wealth creation as zero-sum. Capitalism doesn't, and indeed that is one of its biggest and most important facets: That every transaction can be a win-win.

So if you want to start with criticizing Capitalism, you have to explain why such a tenet still leads to gross inequality. And compare it with the other systems.

/we've only really had 4 in the last 2000 years: Latifundium, Manorialism, Mercantilism, Capitalism
//Political systems can change overnight, through elections, violent revolutions, or coups. Not the case with economic systems. There is no such thing as an economic revolution. The changes to economies have always been a slow-burn process, evolving gradually over several hundred years and with generous overlaps and various states in various stages n such.
 
2020-08-07 3:45:28 PM  
wealth gap goes back even further than most historians have believed.

If only most historians asked farkers..
 
2020-08-07 4:08:26 PM  
Some ate beef and wore trinkets, others did not. The correct theory is they were vegans.
 
2020-08-07 4:53:23 PM  

zimbomba67: Capilaism, that might fly in Poland, but, it ain't going to work here.


we have State Capitalism in the US.
 
2020-08-07 4:57:27 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: dittybopper: TFA is stupid, as is the headline.

No matter what system you have, there will always be a wealth gap.  Even in Communist nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea, you've got dirt poor starving peasants, and the people at the top controlling all the wealth.

And before you say "Well, true Communism hasn't been tried", if you've got 100 years of trying and you murder well over 100 million people attempting to make it work, and it consistently fails, maybe, just maybe, your ideology sucks.

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in China, most of the wealth is owned by the Communist party members.  those number around 60 million or so in a nation of 1.7 Billion.

in Murca, most of the wealth is held by the Private Property Party, which consists of approx 1% of the population.

the Democrat party and the republican party exists only to give Murcans the illusion of choice.

like paper and plastic.  both parties are owned by the Private Property Party.
 
2020-08-07 5:29:25 PM  

jso2897: Capitalism is fine, if kept in it's proper perspective.
I loves me some capitalism.
It's an excellent means to create and indemnify wealth.
The problem comes when you start thinking of it as a social system or moral/ethical ideal.


Or purposely fail to address broken markets because someone is getting rich.
 
2020-08-07 6:04:12 PM  

Anenu: i don't know why capitalism is being blamed here, wealth inequality has always existed. Previous government systems were literally designed around it and you can see it even in animals. Capitalism certainly has its problems but as long as there are enforced regulations it is still better than any other system that has existed.


Because, fark is full of Marxists.
 
2020-08-07 6:11:12 PM  

Linux_Yes: both parties are owned by the Private Property Party.


Careful. You say something like that and you'll get the whole BSABSVR bullshiat sent your way.
 
2020-08-07 6:11:54 PM  

Green_Knight: Anenu: i don't know why capitalism is being blamed here, wealth inequality has always existed. Previous government systems were literally designed around it and you can see it even in animals. Capitalism certainly has its problems but as long as there are enforced regulations it is still better than any other system that has existed.

Because, fark is full of Marxists.


Doubtful, Russia abandoned marxism in 80s
 
2020-08-07 6:17:48 PM  

LewDux: Green_Knight: Anenu: i don't know why capitalism is being blamed here, wealth inequality has always existed. Previous government systems were literally designed around it and you can see it even in animals. Capitalism certainly has its problems but as long as there are enforced regulations it is still better than any other system that has existed.

Because, fark is full of Marxists.

Doubtful, Russia abandoned marxism in 80s


But in Soveit Russia Marxism abadonds you.

/got nothing
 
2020-08-07 6:29:45 PM  

Dinki: The saddest part is there are people out there that will really believe that the wealth inequality 6000 years a go was created by capitalism.


what the hell do you mean you don't know how copper wire was invented --

/the hell you say
 
2020-08-07 8:25:17 PM  
Subby posted this on a macbook while wearing a Che tshirt no doubt.
 
2020-08-07 9:04:32 PM  

Green_Knight: Anenu: i don't know why capitalism is being blamed here, wealth inequality has always existed. Previous government systems were literally designed around it and you can see it even in animals. Capitalism certainly has its problems but as long as there are enforced regulations it is still better than any other system that has existed.

Because, fark is full of Marxists.


They're not Marxists. I don't know what to call them. They like the idea of blaming capitalism for stuff, but they don't understand that "democratic socialism" is just a term for a mixed economy. Capitalism with controls on particularly broken markets like healthcare is not socialism. The modern American left just likes that term because it makes daddy angry.
 
2020-08-07 9:45:44 PM  

Likwit: jso2897: Capitalism is fine, if kept in it's proper perspective.
I loves me some capitalism.
It's an excellent means to create and indemnify wealth.
The problem comes when you start thinking of it as a social system or moral/ethical ideal.

Or purposely fail to address broken markets because someone is getting rich.


I blame Ayn Rand, author of "Capitalism, the Unknown Ideal".
Poisoned the minds of a generation.
 
2020-08-07 10:26:31 PM  

dittybopper: TFA is stupid, as is the headline.

No matter what system you have, there will always be a wealth gap.  Even in Communist nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea, you've got dirt poor starving peasants, and the people at the top controlling all the wealth.

And before you say "Well, true Communism hasn't been tried", if you've got 100 years of trying and you murder well over 100 million people attempting to make it work, and it consistently fails, maybe, just maybe, your ideology sucks.


And when is 5,000years of capitalism supposed to lift everyone out of poverty and not have greedy scum destroying entire civilizations for a percentage?

If only you had the integrity to be objective.
 
2020-08-07 10:30:08 PM  

Ishkur: That's not what defines Capitalism, subby.

Wealth inequality exists in every system. It is neither a product of nor the exclusive domain of Capitalism.

Capitalism couldn't exist 6000 years ago because societies back then were 98% agrarian. That is, they accumulated wealth through their land, by farming. Capitalism needs capital -- the means of production -- to exist, and for that you need industry and fractional reserve banking.


Yeah, thats ALL horseshiat.  Capital is capital.  Money is capital.  If your society uses money your society is some degree of Capitalist.

If your point has to be made with lies parsing what's reallya thing while you ignore the farking definitionof that thing your point, philosophy, and morality are the steaming shiat of the universe.
 
2020-08-07 10:38:05 PM  

AdrienVeidt: dittybopper: TFA is stupid, as is the headline.

No matter what system you have, there will always be a wealth gap.  Even in Communist nations like the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea, you've got dirt poor starving peasants, and the people at the top controlling all the wealth.

And before you say "Well, true Communism hasn't been tried", if you've got 100 years of trying and you murder well over 100 million people attempting to make it work, and it consistently fails, maybe, just maybe, your ideology sucks.

And when is 5,000years of capitalism supposed to lift everyone out of poverty and not have greedy scum destroying entire civilizations for a percentage?

If only you had the integrity to be objective.


5,000 years of capitalism? Wha?
 
2020-08-07 11:29:00 PM  

AdrienVeidt: Yeah, thats ALL horseshiat. Capital is capital. Money is capital. If your society uses money your society is some degree of Capitalist.


Yeah, THAT is horseshiat.

While money is capital, capital is not just money. If your society uses money, it means your society has an economy -- that's all it means. You've literally just defined Capitalism into nothingness.

It's like defining homo sapiens as a species that does things. It's an utterly useless definition.
 
2020-08-07 11:32:42 PM  

AdrienVeidt: And when is 5,000years of capitalism


Capitalism didn't exist 5000 years ago. It couldn't.

Would you like to understand why?
 
2020-08-08 5:19:22 AM  
People like owning stuff.
 
2020-08-08 6:09:29 AM  
Wealth inequality goes back to the development of agriculture.  As soon as one band of hunter/gatherers realized that staying put and planting seeds would result in having a more stable food supply, circa 12,000 years ago, they immediately had more food wealth than another band that spent their days searching for food.  It also gave them something to protect, which undoubtedly led to small-scale warfare.
 
2020-08-08 8:37:17 PM  
Perhaps it's time for the Philosophers to STFU.  In Accounting, cost eventually comes down to Time and Materials.  That's right.  One without the other rarely has any utility.

Also, the idea of the workers owning the means of production is allowed in our Economy.  What rarely happens is giving every new employee an equal share without investment.
 
2020-08-08 8:46:56 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: Perhaps it's time for the Philosophers to STFU.  In Accounting, cost eventually comes down to Time and Materials.  That's right.  One without the other rarely has any utility.

Also, the idea of the workers owning the means of production is allowed in our Economy.  What rarely happens is giving every new employee an equal share without investment.


Seeing as howthat society is collapsing and fast because of massive, preventable wealth inequality, maybe it's time for you to stfu and listen to some philosophers.
 
2020-08-08 11:20:54 PM  

leeksfromchichis: Uncontrolled_Jibe: Perhaps it's time for the Philosophers to STFU.  In Accounting, cost eventually comes down to Time and Materials.  That's right.  One without the other rarely has any utility.

Also, the idea of the workers owning the means of production is allowed in our Economy.  What rarely happens is giving every new employee an equal share without investment.

Seeing as howthat society is collapsing and fast because of massive, preventable wealth inequality, maybe it's time for you to stfu and listen to some philosophers.


That's definitely not the reason American society is collapsing, but it's not good.

It's also mostly the government's doing. Our politicians can be legally bribed so they artificially create conditions by which the upward trickle of wealth becomes a steady stream.
 
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