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(Salon)   Uber's low prices have a dark human toll   (salon.com) divider line
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854 clicks; posted to Business » on 07 Aug 2020 at 8:16 AM (7 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2020-08-07 7:50:33 AM  
The US needs to start enforcing laws against predatory pricing again -- so many high-tech companies do it.
 
2020-08-07 8:27:15 AM  
Low prices?  I'm amazed people will pay $20 for a ride to he nearest Walmart.

/ s/prices/wages/ perhaps
 
2020-08-07 8:32:07 AM  
It's a ridiculous and damaging mistake for Uber. It should be a luxury service. If I wanted a depressing ride from someone being underpaid and needing to beg for tips to survive, I'd get a taxi.
 
2020-08-07 8:34:51 AM  
This is the case for every "job" in the "gig economy."  It's worker exploitation on a massive scale.  At least an employee has benefits.  Most of these jobs are as a contractor, which is several degrees worse at the pay scale they are on.

Not to mention the disruption they cause, like Air BnB both gutting hotels and inflating residential real-estate markets.

There is essentially no positive long term upside to any business in the "gig economy."  Unfortunately, we're going to have to wait until either they get regulated out of existence, or more likely, burn themselves out as they grow too big to sustain (ie workers unionize, demand basic protections, etc)
 
2020-08-07 9:48:55 AM  
I'm driving in Phoenix, I average about 35 an hour.

I'm going to say the opposite. Uber is GOUGING riders. The surge fees levied on working people just going back and forth to their job - I can't tell you how many times surge pricing wipes out everything I know they made that day at work - sometimes more.  Many of these are kids working minimum wage jobs or people with some sort of disability that has them working low-wage jobs. They are working just for the transportation to get them to and from work.

And don't get me started on the demented relationship between Uber and Walmart - it's why I only drive AFTER Walmarts in the area close.
 
2020-08-07 11:06:08 AM  
The prices aren't low, the exact routes I frequently take have more than doubled over a year ago.

A two mile ride to my favorite bar was $4.00 for the longest time. As of this post it's $11.47

My ride to and from a contract job was $22.00, as of this post it's $44.77


According to every driver I've asked, all of the increase goes directly to Uber, not the drivers.
Fark Uber, I don't even use them anymore.
 
2020-08-07 11:35:32 AM  

cefm: It's a ridiculous and damaging mistake for Uber. It should be a luxury service. If I wanted a depressing ride from someone being underpaid and needing to beg for tips to survive, I'd get a taxi.


I don't know. I like certain aspects about Uber as a taxi, namely the ability to be assured that there is a taxi on the way to pick me up with someone committed to the ride. Regular taxi services can refuse to pick you up and you'll be stranded.
 
2020-08-07 11:37:34 AM  

nyseattitude: According to every driver I've asked, all of the increase goes directly to Uber, not the drivers.


I'm actually surprised there isn't more negotiations for cash between drivers and riders. Drivers could approach riders and take a look at the Uber quote, and then offer a better deal for cash with 100% of it going into the driver's pocketbook.
 
2020-08-07 11:44:15 AM  

mrmopar5287: nyseattitude: According to every driver I've asked, all of the increase goes directly to Uber, not the drivers.

I'm actually surprised there isn't more negotiations for cash between drivers and riders. Drivers could approach riders and take a look at the Uber quote, and then offer a better deal for cash with 100% of it going into the driver's pocketbook.


They fire people who try that.
 
2020-08-07 11:59:13 AM  
Subby, you can call them "Black"
 
2020-08-07 12:42:43 PM  
Some medium between day labor exploitation and monopoly barriers to entry must exist in the transportation industry.

I don't know how to get there, but the money exists in the market to support such a thing.
 
2020-08-07 12:48:30 PM  

mrmopar5287: cefm: It's a ridiculous and damaging mistake for Uber. It should be a luxury service. If I wanted a depressing ride from someone being underpaid and needing to beg for tips to survive, I'd get a taxi.

I don't know. I like certain aspects about Uber as a taxi, namely the ability to be assured that there is a taxi on the way to pick me up with someone committed to the ride. Regular taxi services can refuse to pick you up and you'll be stranded.


Regular taxi services refused to improve in any way for years. fark 'em. Even now I get taxi drivers trying to pull the old "oh I don't have a card reader, you need to pay cash" trick or the old favorite of being told by the dispatcher "they're on the way" for eternity.
 
2020-08-07 1:00:09 PM  

Fano: mrmopar5287: cefm: It's a ridiculous and damaging mistake for Uber. It should be a luxury service. If I wanted a depressing ride from someone being underpaid and needing to beg for tips to survive, I'd get a taxi.

I don't know. I like certain aspects about Uber as a taxi, namely the ability to be assured that there is a taxi on the way to pick me up with someone committed to the ride. Regular taxi services can refuse to pick you up and you'll be stranded.

Regular taxi services refused to improve in any way for years. fark 'em. Even now I get taxi drivers trying to pull the old "oh I don't have a card reader, you need to pay cash" trick or the old favorite of being told by the dispatcher "they're on the way" for eternity.


That's exactly the sort of thing that lots of cities refuse to enforce, like in Chicago. Theoretically you call for a taxi and the services are required to serve anywhere in the city. Reality is dispatch broadcasts the pickup and if it's an undesirable location, drivers don't ever show up because no one is individually obligated to do so.

Uber can have similar problems. Drivers will click to accept the ride, see the location, and then they basically park their car and hope the passenger cancels the ride (because drivers are penalized for canceling). They see the location of pickup, expect it's a low fare, and don't want to do it.
 
2020-08-07 3:51:47 PM  
The scariest part is that Uber can't even make money despite a desperate and exploited workforce. Its instead entirely dependent on rich people giving them tens of billions of dollars to burn because they have so much money that they can't think of anything else to do with it. The entire economy is fundamentally broken.
 
2020-08-08 10:30:48 AM  
Uber is one of the greatest jobs I've ever had and all these politicians farking about are going to ruin it. I can buy my own insurance, I don't need Uber to do it for me. The entire point of Uber as a job is that I am not beholden to an employer and can come and go as I please. Plus, where else am I going to make $30+ an hour without going back to school? Uber works exactly as it's supposed to and those of us driving for them like it that way.
 
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