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2020-08-06 10:06:22 AM  
Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.
 
2020-08-06 1:34:02 PM  

edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.


Sure about that? My mother in law seems to be all but salivating at the idea the police can mow blah people down with impunity.
 
2020-08-06 1:37:05 PM  
Americans love security theater, we have it at the airports, restaurants pretend that cleaning some counters helps protect against covid, I don't see why this is any different.
 
2020-08-06 1:39:30 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.

Sure about that? My mother in law seems to be all but salivating at the idea the police can mow blah people down with impunity.


Greatest typo ever.
 
2020-08-06 1:41:22 PM  

edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.


What they specifically don't want is for funding for the police to be cut (at all) or defunded completely.
 
Xai [TotalFark]
2020-08-06 1:42:33 PM  
People want police, they want local patrols, they want less crime - what they don't want is for police to 'punish' people, they should have their day in court.

The problem seems to be that pro-police right wingers want a judge-dredd style totalitarian system where the police are judge, jury and whenever they feel like it, executioner. You can see it reflected when they say that people shouldn't have talked back if they didn't want a beat down etc.

Amazingly there are plenty of options in the middle, literally dozens of countries have far more effective and fair policing systems, but the main obstacle is that the system needs overhauling nationally for it to have any significant effect with independent systems in place to deal with things that the police themselves have done wrong. Without bipartisan support, no such overhaul is possible since individual states would stand in the way of change.
 
2020-08-06 1:43:41 PM  
Just stop murdering people.
 
2020-08-06 1:43:58 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Sure about that? My mother in law seems to be all but salivating at the idea the police can mow blah people down with impunity.


Blah Lives Matter

/even though they're boring and inconsequential
 
2020-08-06 1:45:41 PM  

edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.


Most of the people I know who want a police force lack confidence in their ability to defend themselves.  They lack self-esteem, they are the kind of people who think the weapons in Doom are about "ammo management", and not the utility each of the cleverly-designed weapons provides.

I'd even argue that a police force is unnecessary in the first place, there were no police forces in wild nature, other than my dominant ape ancestors.  There would be no reason, in this particular moment, for me to be screaming that they cannot take me alive, if there was no police force at all.

The tear gas coming through my windows at this very moment is prooftha t cops arerb ulksht litertallyt
 
2020-08-06 1:46:22 PM  
At least somebody is finally making sense.
 
2020-08-06 1:47:16 PM  
Never forget, polls accurately represent whatever is said by the kind people who don't immediately hang up on pollsters.
 
2020-08-06 1:49:02 PM  

Xai: People want police, they want local patrols, they want less crime - what they don't want is for police to 'punish' people, they should have their day in court.

The problem seems to be that pro-police right wingers want a judge-dredd style totalitarian system where the police are judge, jury and whenever they feel like it, executioner. You can see it reflected when they say that people shouldn't have talked back if they didn't want a beat down etc.

Amazingly there are plenty of options in the middle, literally dozens of countries have far more effective and fair policing systems, but the main obstacle is that the system needs overhauling nationally for it to have any significant effect with independent systems in place to deal with things that the police themselves have done wrong. Without bipartisan support, no such overhaul is possible since individual states would stand in the way of change.


This!

One of the best disinformation jobs the police machine has done is to shield the public from exactly what various parts of what is considered "police" do. State police, county police, municipal police (and so on)- then within them what are the actual departments and divisions. Without that understanding it is difficult to make a reasonable argument on how to reduce the problem areas that doesn't come across as "cut the entire police department!" Sure, in some cases, that's what needs to be done, when it's one division in one municipality tasked with one particular area of policing that is not only ineffective, but proven detrimental, but then the same police machine takes that and applies it to the rest of the greater policing system and spins it like "See, they want to stop investigating rapes!"
 
2020-08-06 1:50:53 PM  
They must have only polled white people in the suburbs, or something.

In any case...  Police to help keep some order is a good thing.  Having them respond when something goes wrong is a good thing.

But what we have is a paranoid, violent, paramilitary force that fires first and asks questions later.  Then they are not held accountable because they are protected.

The only way for the police to function effectively is to give them body cams that MUST be on at all times, and for them to actually be held accountable for their actions.  No protections from unions.
 
2020-08-06 1:51:53 PM  
America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.
 
2020-08-06 1:52:47 PM  
Actual headline "Black Americans Want Police to Retain Local Presence"

WTH subby

So will we see the Left soften the "Defund the police" mantra?
 
2020-08-06 1:54:16 PM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.

Sure about that? My mother in law seems to be all but salivating at the idea the police can mow blah people down with impunity.

Greatest typo ever.


Not a typo.

I'm quoting Rick Santorum who denigrated black people and then tried to walk it back saying he really said "blah" people.
 
2020-08-06 1:55:21 PM  

Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.


This.

Americans have an overdeveloped need for punishment.
 
2020-08-06 1:56:52 PM  

Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.


Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.
 
2020-08-06 1:57:47 PM  
overpolicing the underserved

pick the right poll question and you can engineer whatever result you are looking for.
 
2020-08-06 1:57:52 PM  

Mike_LowELL: edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.

Most of the people I know who want a police force lack confidence in their ability to defend themselves.  They lack self-esteem, they are the kind of people who think the weapons in Doom are about "ammo management", and not the utility each of the cleverly-designed weapons provides.

I'd even argue that a police force is unnecessary in the first place, there were no police forces in wild nature, other than my dominant ape ancestors.  There would be no reason, in this particular moment, for me to be screaming that they cannot take me alive, if there was no police force at all.

The tear gas coming through my windows at this very moment is prooftha t cops arerb ulksht litertallyt


Are we talking OG doom or Quake 3 are....uh I mean Doom Eternal
 
2020-08-06 1:58:07 PM  
Non-compliance will never go well in police confrontations.  They'll never let it happen and voters will never vote for it.  Protestors might mob it into submission here and there but it'll never stick.
 
2020-08-06 2:01:08 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.


I've heard it said:
'The people getting into physical fistfights over masks, calling them "oppressive"; is the voice of a people who have never been oppressed.'
 
2020-08-06 2:04:15 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.


There's no whitesplaining like liberal whitesplaining.
 
2020-08-06 2:04:55 PM  

KCinPA: So will we see the Left soften the "Defund the police" mantra?


Not the hardcore Marxists. They want total chaos.
 
2020-08-06 2:05:33 PM  

JesseL: Never forget, polls accurately represent whatever is said by the kind people who don't immediately hang up on pollsters.


Also never forget, any poll that is published is the one that shows the desired results.
 
2020-08-06 2:09:38 PM  

edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.


We do have a viable and effective police force.  It serves the wealthy and well to do very well, keeps poors and minorities in line and afraid, and funnels money into prison coffers very efficiently.

Or did you mean, "protects the lives and rights of individual citizens, regardless of skin color or income level?"  Sir, this is America, we don't stand for that kind of thing here.
 
2020-08-06 2:09:57 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: edmo: Americans simply want a viable and effective police force, not whatever it is we have now.

Sure about that? My mother in law seems to be all but salivating at the idea the police can mow blah people down with impunity.


anecdote =/= data
 
2020-08-06 2:11:39 PM  

Marcos P: Are we talking OG doom or Quake 3 are....uh I mean Doom Eternal


Doom Eternal does not have the excellent balance of its predecessors, but I will admit that it is still an excellent documentary, like Devil May Cry with guns, which is saying something, because Devil May Cry already has guns.

You have no idea how I feel when I pull out the Minigun.  It's like fifth period gym class all over again.
 
2020-08-06 2:12:18 PM  

Xai: People want police, they want local patrols, they want less crime - what they don't want is for police to 'punish' people, they should have their day in court.

The problem seems to be that pro-police right wingers want a judge-dredd style totalitarian system where the police are judge, jury and whenever they feel like it, executioner. You can see it reflected when they say that people shouldn't have talked back if they didn't want a beat down etc.

Amazingly there are plenty of options in the middle, literally dozens of countries have far more effective and fair policing systems, but the main obstacle is that the system needs overhauling nationally for it to have any significant effect with independent systems in place to deal with things that the police themselves have done wrong. Without bipartisan support, no such overhaul is possible since individual states would stand in the way of change.


I've yet to meet a "small government Conservative" that supports increased accountability and oversight of the police. The hypocrisy is astounding.
 
2020-08-06 2:16:14 PM  

KCinPA: Actual headline "Black Americans Want Police to Retain Local Presence"


Of course they do. If your scuba tank malfunctions, you fix it or get a new one. You don't try to get along without one.

Who kills more young black males, cops or gang violence? Is less police presence going to increase or decrease gang violence? It's not a difficult logic to grasp.

The only ones calling for defunding and abolishing the police are the liberal, white larpers who don't even live anywhere near the neighborhoods they are trying to "help"
 
2020-08-06 2:27:27 PM  
Johnny Q. Law walking the beat in your neighborhood and buying ice cream for some kids playing hopscotch is one thing.

Rolling an Amry surplus mine-resistant vehicle down Main St. as a show of force is a complete other thing.
 
2020-08-06 2:27:55 PM  

Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.


This is accurate.   And their view of reality is almost entirely distilled through television and movies.
 
2020-08-06 2:28:32 PM  
The left destroys everything it touches.
 
2020-08-06 2:29:38 PM  
Nice photo to lead off the article: a cop walking on a street most people would not want to walk on.
 
2020-08-06 2:37:44 PM  
Mask up!
 
2020-08-06 2:40:51 PM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.

This is accurate.   And their view of reality is almost entirely distilled through television and movies.


I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Privileged Americans, many who are also white, have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship.
 
2020-08-06 2:55:16 PM  
Most people are happy to have police nearby. Where the issues come up is when you ask if they want police to keep or disturb the peace.
 
2020-08-06 3:06:02 PM  
newly launched Gallup Center on Black Voices

Really, I live with three black women and they need no help from Gallup.     I'm fairly certain all this pandering to blacks is not going to end well when all is said and done.  I have three black children, and a black wife.   All this stupidity is starting to make me into some kind of racist because I'm tired of hearing about it.   I'm the least racist dude on the planet, but I'm ready for these folks to shut up.
 
2020-08-06 3:07:50 PM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.

This is accurate.   And their view of reality is almost entirely distilled through television and movies.

I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Privileged Americans, many who are also white, have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship.


Don't pretend the race issue doesn't exist. Privileged black people still don't have white privilege. Even black children with money are taught from a young age how to handle police confrontation. Even Chris farking Rock is terrified of being pulled over. Come on.
 
2020-08-06 3:15:53 PM  
Eventually they'll come to realize that in fact it's their own inherent and irrational need to feel "safe" at all times that puts cop's lives in danger and not people simply trying to live their lives peacefully that the cops keep farking with.
 
2020-08-06 3:24:49 PM  
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I'll risk it.
 
2020-08-06 3:26:21 PM  

Moopy Mac: Xai: People want police, they want local patrols, they want less crime - what they don't want is for police to 'punish' people, they should have their day in court.

The problem seems to be that pro-police right wingers want a judge-dredd style totalitarian system where the police are judge, jury and whenever they feel like it, executioner. You can see it reflected when they say that people shouldn't have talked back if they didn't want a beat down etc.

Amazingly there are plenty of options in the middle, literally dozens of countries have far more effective and fair policing systems, but the main obstacle is that the system needs overhauling nationally for it to have any significant effect with independent systems in place to deal with things that the police themselves have done wrong. Without bipartisan support, no such overhaul is possible since individual states would stand in the way of change.

I've yet to meet a "small government Conservative" that supports increased accountability and oversight of the police. The hypocrisy is astounding.


Same as "States' rights advocates" that want it to apply to abortion but not to drug laws. Or for an even finer grained example, want it to apply to the laws allowing discrimination against gays but not to laws banning discrimination against blacks.

It's the same as the Constitution or the Bible; it's a convenient excuse to believe whatever it is you were going to believe anyway. This way you kid yourself into thinking it's for a higher purpose, instead of simply being a selfish bastard.
 
2020-08-06 3:35:51 PM  

BobCumbers: The left destroys everything it touches.

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2020-08-06 3:37:45 PM  

drewsfarkthrowaway: Eventually they'll come to realize that in fact it's their own inherent and irrational need to feel "safe" at all times that puts cop's lives in danger and not people simply trying to live their lives peacefully that the cops keep farking with.


Narrator: "no, they won't"
 
2020-08-06 4:49:25 PM  

Myk-House of El: If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.


I've long taken the view that America is a blame culture, somewhat in parallel to the way Japan is a shame culture. Where Japanese people will go to enormous lengths to avoid bringing shame on themselves, Americans live in fear of being blamed for real or imagined mistakes and will go to enormous lengths to both assign and escape blame. The entire American legal system and the cultural willingness to sue people for anything is the product of this.

It's interesting that I'm not alone in thinking along these lines.
 
2020-08-06 4:54:33 PM  

Sim Tree: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.

I've heard it said:
'The people getting into physical fistfights over masks, calling them "oppressive"; is the voice of a people who have never been oppressed.'


That is a perfect summary.
 
2020-08-06 4:55:08 PM  

iamskibibitz: KCinPA: So will we see the Left soften the "Defund the police" mantra?

Not the hardcore Marxists. They want total chaos.


Guess they're too busy masturbating right now.

/ all four of them
 
2020-08-06 4:56:19 PM  

My Second Fark Account: fark'emfeed'emfish: Smirky the Wonder Chimp: Visual Howlaround Title Sequence: Myk-House of El: America is a highly punitive society.  Not just in a criminal sense.  In my career doing things related to customer service (via phone, not in person), I have served at times as "the manager" you get transferred to.  The things people wanted to happen to employees who made simple mistakes was incredible.   I mean typos on addresses level stuff that had people demanding someone lose their job.

If there's one thing I'd change about US society if I had the magic wand to do it, it would be to change how out for blood Americans are when they feel they were wronged.  It's a rare circumstance when that is truly warranted.

Follow up: I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Americans have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship. They don't see themselves as the punished but as the punishers.

Discuss.

This is accurate.   And their view of reality is almost entirely distilled through television and movies.

I think part of the problem is a huge percentage of white Privileged Americans, many who are also white, have never been attacked by cops, never been harassed at work, never been bullied in school, never lived under a dictatorship.

Don't pretend the race issue doesn't exist. Privileged black people still don't have white privilege. Even black children with money are taught from a young age how to handle police confrontation. Even Chris farking Rock is terrified of being pulled over. Come on.


Fair, but I have run into more than one white passing Hispanic person who definitely exhibited white privilege.
 
2020-08-06 4:56:53 PM  

MythDragon: [i.pinimg.com image 850x1275]
I'll risk it.


Probably wrong thread, but smarted because Lagertha.
 
2020-08-06 4:57:41 PM  

BobCumbers: The left destroys everything it touches.


If this post were any dumber we would have to water it to keep it alive.
 
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