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2020-08-06 5:34:51 AM  
Jason Calacanis is the biggest douche to ever have douched.
 
2020-08-06 5:39:25 AM  
Sounds like we're reverting to the 19th century.  Yipee!
 
2020-08-06 5:40:32 AM  
Slowly easing our way back into the feudal system.
 
2020-08-06 5:43:26 AM  
If this were not a pandemic, I'd probably feel the same way the author wants me to feel. What he's doing is socially responsible for both the teacher and children. Small class, outdoors, and good pay for the teacher?

There used to be a time where we didn't use groupthink to convince ourselves that envy is someone else's fault. Take your ass to jelly school because if I had school-age kids right now and could afford to hire a private teacher, you bet your ass I would.
 
2020-08-06 5:50:49 AM  
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this other than the optics. I am a firm believers the top ~ 12% of kids regardless of race, creed, color, or socio-economic status should be be removed from regular public schools and put in charter schools designed to train them to run America with extra money given to the parents (based on means testing) to support their entire family at a comfortable family income.
 
2020-08-06 5:57:45 AM  

Harry_Seldon: ds regardless of race, creed, color, or socio-economic status should be be removed from regular public schools and put in charter schools designed to train them to run America with extra money given to the parents (based on means testing) to support their entire family at a comfortable family income.


I started to agree with you and then you lost me.  I have also discussed doing this with Mrs. SLEZE but we certainly can't afford it.  Good for him if he can.  People send their kids to private school.  People have private tutors (hell, I took SAT prep classes like a lot of kids do).  This is no different.

That being said, a good public school will prepare kids as well as any prep school.
 
2020-08-06 5:58:01 AM  
This has been common all through history for the most affluent. Ever hear the word Governess? Tutor? In times of Coronavirus 19, how could you not expect this to happen among some of the affluent.

Likewise, many people with "median" incomes are deciding to home school rather than return kids to school during a pandemic.

Freedom is a wonderful thing. Each of us should use it the best we can.
 
2020-08-06 5:58:39 AM  

CarnySaur: Sounds like we're reverting to the 19th century.  Yipee!


hey, the chicks were easier back then.
 
2020-08-06 6:01:39 AM  
I now have a nanny watching my toddler. Should I fire her because other people cannot afford nannies ?
 
2020-08-06 6:02:23 AM  
The only reason I don't do something like this myself is a lack of money.

We currently pay more on school fees than our mortgage, to send our kids to a private school that is better in all the ways we care about than the local taxpayer funded schools.

The local high school in particular has serious issues with bullying, and I will quite happily pay serious money to avoid exposing our kids to that.

I've never understood the anger directed at people able to buy a better life for their family. Especially when a lot of that anger is to be found among proponents of the systems the rich can buy their freedom from.

It comes over a little as a refusal to admit that there can be something wrong with socialised systems.
 
2020-08-06 6:04:02 AM  
What was the backlash, again? A couple of mean tweets?
 
2020-08-06 6:05:52 AM  
My critique is slightly different. If he really wanted the best teacher...he'd offer double, not to beat their current salary.
 
2020-08-06 6:14:56 AM  
How can I feel hate for something I would wish for my own children?
 
2020-08-06 6:20:15 AM  

tuxq: If this were not a pandemic, I'd probably feel the same way the author wants me to feel. What he's doing is socially responsible for both the teacher and children. Small class, outdoors, and good pay for the teacher?

There used to be a time where we didn't use groupthink to convince ourselves that envy is someone else's fault. Take your ass to jelly school because if I had school-age kids right now and could afford to hire a private teacher, you bet your ass I would.


Or he could put his money into ensuring that all kids get the same or similar opportunities as his own kids. The erosion of greater societal responsibility, civics, and concepts of brotherhood in this country has done a ridiculous amount of damage. People regressing harder and harder to this state ("me and mine" mentalities, even for good and understandable reasons like wanting the best for your kids) moves us further and further away from the idea that all people are created equal.
 
2020-08-06 6:24:14 AM  

Harry_Seldon: I see absolutely nothing wrong with this other than the optics. I am a firm believers the top ~ 12% of kids regardless of race, creed, color, or socio-economic status should be be removed from regular public schools and put in charter schools designed to train them to run America with extra money given to the parents (based on means testing) to support their entire family at a comfortable family income.


Sounds like you want to start some sort of Foundation to oversee this.
 
2020-08-06 6:24:45 AM  
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He's also in Epstein's little black book. Take that for what you will.
 
2020-08-06 6:26:40 AM  
So what is the difference besides wording and a lot of other job offers?

I fail to see a problem with this, maybe not the nicest thing to do but you can bet your ass when Google, Microsoft, or Apple is looking to hire a developer they do the same although they may word it better. Free enterprise it is what it is whether snow flake approved or not.
 
2020-08-06 6:27:23 AM  
Good.  Maybe if enough rich twats decided to snipe teachers for private tutors, the public schools will be forced to pay teachers more.

Hahahahaha that will never happen.  It will be like the businesses looking for someone with a Master's degree in computer science and 5 years experience with software that has been out for one year, willing to start at $8 an hour, and wondering why nobody is applying for the job.
 
2020-08-06 6:29:39 AM  

hissatsu: Harry_Seldon: I see absolutely nothing wrong with this other than the optics. I am a firm believers the top ~ 12% of kids regardless of race, creed, color, or socio-economic status should be be removed from regular public schools and put in charter schools designed to train them to run America with extra money given to the parents (based on means testing) to support their entire family at a comfortable family income.

Sounds like you want to start some sort of Foundation to oversee this.


Two foundations. One at either end of the country.
 
2020-08-06 6:30:35 AM  
That's a very good idea.  Ordinary parents could get on board with this too, pool money and hire teachers for their kids.  Or maybe even start whole schools.  Heck, maybe the government could pitch in and use tax dollars to open "public" schools that anyone could enroll in. And by making the schools public we can take agency completely out of the parents' hands and the government could decide how and what to teach kids!  Just think, we can make "education" mean whatever we want!  Finally, a chance to clean up history; we just need to teach it in the most inclusive context possible, since as we all know, the least important things about history is what actually happened... We need to make sure western culture is put in the correct perspective, because even though it generated the mightiest and freest nation to ever grace the Earth, it did a lot of mean things along the way and hence must be reviled.  I guess we can take a crack at teaching math and science too, but who really cares about those, let's just double down on social indoctrination.  And we will lump bad students together with good students to make sure everyone has equal outcomes!

...On second thought, maybe the private teacher isn't such a bad idea after all.
 
2020-08-06 6:31:05 AM  
Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.
 
2020-08-06 6:36:54 AM  
Guy wants to spend his money on a teacher for his/some kids?

Maybe we can leave the outrage-mobile in the garage today...

/let me guess, garages are obscene displays of privilege?
//outrage-mobiles are too?
///and three
 
2020-08-06 6:38:07 AM  

cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.


So, how did you wind up with taxpayer funded education that is both more expensive and of poorer quality?

My observations from half a lifetime ago...

1. Teachers Unions opposed to any form of performance based pay for teachers.

2. Government imposed curricula at least a decade behind current research.

3. Schools unable to expel pupils pretty much regardless of how disruptive or toxic they were.

4. Education tailored to the middle of the bell curve with no support for the struggling or the bright.
 
2020-08-06 6:38:53 AM  
Here's an idea. How 'bout we pay teachers what they're worth?
 
2020-08-06 6:40:14 AM  

Maturin: Here's an idea. How 'bout we pay teachers what they're worth?


This guy is proposing to do just that. Watch where the outcry is coming from, and ponder.
 
2020-08-06 6:41:47 AM  
I think I'd want a hot teacher, though.
 
2020-08-06 6:45:08 AM  

cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.


You forgot the expenses for books, other materials, etc.
 
2020-08-06 6:54:49 AM  
Holy shiat it smells libertarian in here.

/nachos and ballsack, if you're wondering
 
2020-08-06 6:57:02 AM  

Mister Peejay: cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.

You forgot the expenses for books, other materials, etc.


And the state mandated safety inspections, ADA accommodations, etc.
 
2020-08-06 7:00:38 AM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Mister Peejay: cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.

You forgot the expenses for books, other materials, etc.

And the state mandated safety inspections, ADA accommodations, etc.


Not needed for a private tutor, though.

Or a "building" and all the maintenance expenses that go along with that.
 
2020-08-06 7:13:41 AM  

Mister Peejay: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Mister Peejay: cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.

You forgot the expenses for books, other materials, etc.

And the state mandated safety inspections, ADA accommodations, etc.

Not needed for a private tutor, though.

Or a "building" and all the maintenance expenses that go along with that.


A private tutor for your kids, no problem.
Get several families to pool their resources, and it starts to look like a "school". And some state functionary will see it that way.
 
2020-08-06 7:16:55 AM  
me and my ex are doing this very thing
 
2020-08-06 7:22:23 AM  
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So, basically a one-room school house, which was typical in the US through the early 20th Century.  This was actually socialisms because the people of the town would collective gather money and materials to build a school and hire a teacher or two.  That's how the US went down the toilet, because the socialisms got us early.

Lock him up!!!
 
2020-08-06 7:35:21 AM  
If you got the money
Do as you will
As long as someone isn't getting hurt or it's not illegal

But there's no fairness as long as everything is based on money
Just make money somehow, some way
Then you can have it too

However, it's not going away.
 
2020-08-06 7:40:34 AM  

tuxq: If this were not a pandemic, I'd probably feel the same way the author wants me to feel. What he's doing is socially responsible for both the teacher and children. Small class, outdoors, and good pay for the teacher?

There used to be a time where we didn't use groupthink to convince ourselves that envy is someone else's fault. Take your ass to jelly school because if I had school-age kids right now and could afford to hire a private teacher, you bet your ass I would.


I can't muster up any outrage at all.  If he wants to and he can, why shouldn't he?  Lots of stuff to be pissed about right now but this isn't one of them.
 
2020-08-06 7:43:39 AM  

Salmon: I think I'd want a hot teacher, though.


hells yes you bring in a trophy teacher. bring in a damn trained Chef for lunch and snacks too. work hard, play hard.
 
2020-08-06 7:44:09 AM  
I can't blame someone for taking matters into their own hands to ensure that their children receive a proper education.  If school districts remain closed and teachers refuse to work, parents should have other options.  If that means vouchers, so be it.
 
2020-08-06 7:51:03 AM  
"We are offering 100% scholarships for folks who can't afford to chip in. If you live in the bay and are in the 4th or 5th grade we will take applications based on merit."

"Scholarships on merit"?!?  Them's fighting words to those who feel the only aid should go to the "special" learning-disabled child.
 
2020-08-06 7:52:18 AM  
duncan_bayne:

My observations from half a lifetime ago...

1. Teachers Unions opposed to any form of performance based pay for teachers.

2. Government imposed curricula at least a decade behind current research.

3. Schools unable to expel pupils pretty much regardless of how disruptive or toxic they were.

4. Education tailored to the middle of the bell curve with no support for the struggling or the bright.



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2020-08-06 7:53:40 AM  
I wouldn't last a week working for a rich douchebag. Hell, I've had two jobs in my life where I was working with country club types. Both jobs I quit after the first day.
 
2020-08-06 7:59:54 AM  

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So, basically a one-room school house, which was typical in the US through the early 20th Century.  This was actually socialisms because the people of the town would collective gather money and materials to build a school and hire a teacher or two.  That's how the US went down the toilet, because the socialisms got us early.

Lock him up!!!


People had the ability to opt out then. Not so with modern-day socialism you seem to champion. Big difference.
 
2020-08-06 8:05:14 AM  
My neighborhood is forming an educational collective where two teachers in the neighborhood who are not working right now will receive pay for teaching a group of kindergarten aged children one day each and the other three days will be covered by a parent.  Since everyone here is fortunate enough to work from home and everyone is a lib, the neighborhood is pretty well-quarantined.  I only worry about one little girl who has a teenage brother because I've noticed teenagers don't really take any of this seriously.
 
2020-08-06 8:12:27 AM  

duncan_bayne: cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.

So, how did you wind up with taxpayer funded education that is both more expensive and of poorer quality?

My observations from half a lifetime ago...

1. Teachers Unions opposed to any form of performance based pay for teachers.

2. Government imposed curricula at least a decade behind current research.

3. Schools unable to expel pupils pretty much regardless of how disruptive or toxic they were.

4. Education tailored to the middle of the bell curve with no support for the struggling or the bright.


Okay. How do you objectively measure performance without giving the teacher incentive to just rig the results?

How long does the government need to wait to see if the research actually pans out before they implement it?

Should the education get rid of it's mandate that every child gets an education?

And if they don't aim to educate as many children as possible on the curve, how many kids should they educate?
 
2020-08-06 8:13:21 AM  
Wait ... how is this any different from private schooling - aside from the fact private school teachers mostly earn LESS than their public counterparts?

I see no issue with this. Private tutoring has been a staple for as long as I can remember.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education​/​archive/2013/10/why-are-private-school​-teachers-paid-less-than-public-school​-teachers/280829/
 
2020-08-06 8:16:31 AM  

cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.


Yup. Our city spends nearly $30k per pupil for the most piss poor results I can find. I'd rather keep that $30k and send my kids to the best private schools in the area and have enough left over to feed and clothe them for the year.
 
2020-08-06 8:17:44 AM  
6-7 kids is basically a homeschool.  What's the problem?
 
2020-08-06 8:18:57 AM  

Pharmdawg: 6-7 kids is basically a homeschool.  What's the problem?


The liberal outrage machine has been maxed at 11 since 2016 and they've become a self-parody by this point.
 
2020-08-06 8:20:15 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: duncan_bayne:

My observations from half a lifetime ago...

1. Teachers Unions opposed to any form of performance based pay for teachers.

2. Government imposed curricula at least a decade behind current research.

3. Schools unable to expel pupils pretty much regardless of how disruptive or toxic they were.

4. Education tailored to the middle of the bell curve with no support for the struggling or the bright.



My only comment would be that it is unfair to have #1 without #3 and #4.  If I can't remove a kid who is disrupting the others - it will always leave the class lagging in general.  Also - who wants the group of kids that have to be removed from the classroom if they are getting paid poorly for it? (Hardest job - least pay)
 
2020-08-06 8:33:20 AM  

Mister Peejay: cirby: Financially, this could be a good move for some.

Suppose you get six kids from different families. You hire one really good teacher for $120,000 per year, or four part-timers for $30K each to cover different subjects. Each family kicks in $20,000 per year. You have them take classes in a spare room at your big house in the suburbs.

That's about the same tuition as the average California private school, and a bit less than double what public schools in California spend per pupil ($12,000 or so).

If you went with twelve students ($10,000 each), it's actually cheaper per student than the public schools.

You forgot the expenses for books, other materials, etc.


So add another couple of hundred bucks per student. Books that aren't "official schoolbooks" tend to be much, much cheaper, and cover the same subjects. "The Elements of Style" is $5 off of Amazon, for example. There are plenty of good history survey books that are under $20 each (instead of $100+ for a textbook, in many cases). Most "other materials" in school are "here, watch a movie while T take this hour off." If a class needs to see a particular video, buy a copy for $10 or $20, or rent it for $4. Or watch it on YouTube.

You don't need to bus them across town, you don't need all of the support staff, you don't need a lot of the things that go with modern schools. So you can pay the teacher instead.
 
2020-08-06 8:36:49 AM  

duncan_bayne: 4. Education tailored to the middle of the bell curve with no support for the struggling or the bright.


Realistically, not even targeting the middle of the curve.  Your primary goal is to get as many students over a bar as possible, increasing the average test score is secondary. So, your typical classroom, typical curriculum, and most teaching effort is aimed at getting the 20th-25th percentile student to "acceptable enough to join the Army, work for GM or pass an LPN course".  The 75th percentile kid is going to do fine anyway.
 
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