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(Tech Times)   Just one question Elon, how is the neuralink getting installed? Trepanning or up the nose?   (techtimes.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 9:49:24 PM  
the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?
 
2020-08-05 9:53:22 PM  
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2020-08-05 10:23:35 PM  
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2020-08-05 10:24:31 PM  
Anal probe for most Americans.
 
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2020-08-05 10:25:04 PM  

Sgygus: the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?


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2020-08-05 10:33:38 PM  
It's a neural lace. How else are we supposed to communicate with The Minds?
 
2020-08-05 10:42:39 PM  
"Good news, everyone!"
 
2020-08-06 1:56:35 AM  

markie_farkie: Anal probe for most Americans.


Aw damnit I read that as Anal Practice. I gotta go clean my glasses.
 
2020-08-06 4:00:22 AM  
"Huh. I wonder what this trippng setting is for?"
 
2020-08-06 4:13:11 AM  
Okay, time for a new frontier in Venture Capitalism...

Time to start laying the foundations of the first SimSense/Braindance recording studio.
 
2020-08-06 4:19:54 AM  
Yeah, I dont see how this will ever make it to the market in any way. The ethics concerns alone are staggering, and you know that its going to be hacked within weeks of being released, which means it will never be safe enough to use
 
2020-08-06 5:01:04 AM  
Obviously it activates once the coronavirus vaccine enters your system and comes into contact with 5G.

Duh
 
2020-08-06 5:17:37 AM  

lifeslammer: Yeah, I dont see how this will ever make it to the market in any way. The ethics concerns alone are staggering, and you know that its going to be hacked within weeks of being released, which means it will never be safe enough to use


There are people who roam this planet, fully aware that they are sad and no amount of money or love can ever make it go away. There are also people who can't live a normal life due to past trauma that keeps their anxiety pegged in the red 24/7 with occasional moments of clarity/lucidity long enough to be fully aware of it but unable to stop it.

Ethics only stand in the way when it is not medically necessary. SSRI's lead to sexual disorders and suicide; antianxiety meds tend to make you unreliable as a person. Could this be abused? Certainly. Anything that works is usually abused.
 
2020-08-06 5:31:50 AM  
The Terminal Man approves
 
2020-08-06 5:41:24 AM  
This thing can also give you an erection at the flip of a switch, empty bowels on command, adjust your myopia, and help with that not so fresh feeling. Who wouldn't get implanted? I particularly like how it makes me vote for flat-tax candidates.
 
2020-08-06 5:56:15 AM  

tuxq: lifeslammer: Yeah, I dont see how this will ever make it to the market in any way. The ethics concerns alone are staggering, and you know that its going to be hacked within weeks of being released, which means it will never be safe enough to use

There are people who roam this planet, fully aware that they are sad and no amount of money or love can ever make it go away. There are also people who can't live a normal life due to past trauma that keeps their anxiety pegged in the red 24/7 with occasional moments of clarity/lucidity long enough to be fully aware of it but unable to stop it.

Ethics only stand in the way when it is not medically necessary. SSRI's lead to sexual disorders and suicide; antianxiety meds tend to make you unreliable as a person. Could this be abused? Certainly. Anything that works is usually abused.


It doesnt matter. There is no way in hell this will ever get FDA approval, and it WILL need to get FDA approval to ever be sold because with everything it aims to do, it will be classified as a medical device
 
2020-08-06 6:02:01 AM  
Y'know, I wouldn't hesitate to join the Culture, but could we maybe focus on the biological immortality, post-scarcity, ability to change gender at will, and foot-long penises before the neural lace..?

/ Especially if development of that neural lace is being directed by a guy trying to compensate for his lack of drug glands
 
2020-08-06 6:29:44 AM  
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2020-08-06 6:46:21 AM  
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2020-08-06 6:55:03 AM  

Sgygus: the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?


As someone working on a graphene-based neural-machine interface as a postdoc, and who are in the planning stages:

This sounds like Theranos-level bullshiat.

Leaving aside the "I am highly skeptical they are anywhere close to a device that isn't just a rebranded cochclear implant" issue

How do they know what 'waves' will control human emotions? How do they know it will be universal for everyone?
 
2020-08-06 6:58:47 AM  

tuxq: lifeslammer: Yeah, I dont see how this will ever make it to the market in any way. The ethics concerns alone are staggering, and you know that its going to be hacked within weeks of being released, which means it will never be safe enough to use

There are people who roam this planet, fully aware that they are sad and no amount of money or love can ever make it go away. There are also people who can't live a normal life due to past trauma that keeps their anxiety pegged in the red 24/7 with occasional moments of clarity/lucidity long enough to be fully aware of it but unable to stop it.

Ethics only stand in the way when it is not medically necessary. SSRI's lead to sexual disorders and suicide; antianxiety meds tend to make you unreliable as a person. Could this be abused? Certainly. Anything that works is usually abused.


The "Anything that works" is doing some realllyyyy heavy lifting here, though.

Like. This is really feeling like Theranos 2.0 with the claims they're making.
 
2020-08-06 7:05:04 AM  

Felgraf: Sgygus: the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?

As someone working on a graphene-based neural-machine interface as a postdoc, and who are in the planning stages:

This sounds like Theranos-level bullshiat.

Leaving aside the "I am highly skeptical they are anywhere close to a device that isn't just a rebranded cochclear implant" issue

How do they know what 'waves' will control human emotions? How do they know it will be universal for everyone?


I feel like the short answer is: they would have no idea. Look at current chemical medication and how it can have a huge range of effects depending on your personal, unique brain chemistry. The same antidepressants or mood stabilizers could completely cure one person's depression with half the normal dose and push another person to suicidal thoughts. That's a part of why mental health and psychiatry has such a negative reputation with some people: there's a ton of trial and error to try figuring out exactly what will work for your particular brain. Maybe this could be dialed in with a similar trial and error approach to what modification will yield what effect, but it seems like something that would need a lot of maimed and dead people to figure out even the most common settings.
 
2020-08-06 7:08:51 AM  

darkmythology: Felgraf: Sgygus: the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?

As someone working on a graphene-based neural-machine interface as a postdoc, and who are in the planning stages:

This sounds like Theranos-level bullshiat.

Leaving aside the "I am highly skeptical they are anywhere close to a device that isn't just a rebranded cochclear implant" issue

How do they know what 'waves' will control human emotions? How do they know it will be universal for everyone?

I feel like the short answer is: they would have no idea. Look at current chemical medication and how it can have a huge range of effects depending on your personal, unique brain chemistry. The same antidepressants or mood stabilizers could completely cure one person's depression with half the normal dose and push another person to suicidal thoughts. That's a part of why mental health and psychiatry has such a negative reputation with some people: there's a ton of trial and error to try figuring out exactly what will work for your particular brain. Maybe this could be dialed in with a similar trial and error approach to what modification will yield what effect, but it seems like something that would need a lot of maimed and dead people to figure out even the most common settings.


Oh, as someone for whom Strattera/atomoxatine actually *works* as an ADHD medication, I am weellll aware of chemical/electrical neurodiversity and how tricky it can be to find shiat that works, I just felt those were the easiest questions to ask, and that asking them rather than simply asserting "They have no farking way of knowing" was probably the way to go.

But yeah

This is some theranos sounding bullshiat.
 
2020-08-06 7:15:29 AM  
Looking at what he has accomplished in life I'd say he has it engineered and in use already.

Just keep the technology away from people like Trump and anyone like him.

I wonder how they solve for power, moisture and heat issues.
 
2020-08-06 7:33:42 AM  
Brain implants and a satelite network? Am I the only one who saw Kingsman!?
 
2020-08-06 7:47:28 AM  
those first gen biotic implant people in Mass Effect got wicked migranes so I would wait until the second version is released.
 
2020-08-06 8:06:26 AM  

Marcos P: those first gen biotic implant people in Mass Effect got wicked migranes so I would wait until the second version is released.


I mean, it could be worse - they could've gone to a L.I.M.B. clinic to have their hardware replaced after the recall notice went out...

/ Really, who didn't see that plot twist coming..?
 
2020-08-06 8:08:46 AM  
Precursor to the factions from Alpha Centauri and nerve stapling?

/Please don't go, the drones need you.
 
2020-08-06 8:50:16 AM  
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We merely inject the CC into that part of the bloodstream that leads directly to the brain. Technically speaking, for you doctors, we inject the CC into the internal carotid artery. The bloodstream carries it directly to the cerebrum, where it lodges comfortably in the anterior central gyrus. Which for us laymen, is simply that part of the brain where intellectual associations take place.
 
2020-08-06 8:56:08 AM  
Can I get a beta release to install in my teenager kids?
 
2020-08-06 9:35:53 AM  

goodncold: Can I get a beta release to install in my teenager kids?


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2020-08-06 9:54:50 AM  

tschmidt83: Precursor to the factions from Alpha Centauri and nerve stapling?

/Please don't go, the drones need you.


How To Raise A Nerve-Stapled Child
 
2020-08-06 10:00:35 AM  
I read this and I was like "Can I finally feel normal and be a productive person?" Then I reminded myself "Elon Musk is predicting the future again" and I went back to drinking away my pain.
 
2020-08-06 10:08:56 AM  

Sgygus: After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?


Given the choice, I'd rather be a Morlock.
 
2020-08-06 10:59:31 AM  
What happens when your UTOPIA Chip fails...

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2020-08-06 11:12:51 AM  

lifeslammer: tuxq: lifeslammer: Yeah, I dont see how this will ever make it to the market in any way. The ethics concerns alone are staggering, and you know that its going to be hacked within weeks of being released, which means it will never be safe enough to use

There are people who roam this planet, fully aware that they are sad and no amount of money or love can ever make it go away. There are also people who can't live a normal life due to past trauma that keeps their anxiety pegged in the red 24/7 with occasional moments of clarity/lucidity long enough to be fully aware of it but unable to stop it.

Ethics only stand in the way when it is not medically necessary. SSRI's lead to sexual disorders and suicide; antianxiety meds tend to make you unreliable as a person. Could this be abused? Certainly. Anything that works is usually abused.

It doesnt matter. There is no way in hell this will ever get FDA approval, and it WILL need to get FDA approval to ever be sold because with everything it aims to do, it will be classified as a medical device


Easy, just use the magic words "helps with" and include the phrase "not intended to diagnose or treat any disease" and you're gold.
 
2020-08-06 12:27:58 PM  
God damn it, just have all the poor people start working as slaves already and stop trying to dance around what you want.
 
2020-08-06 1:01:37 PM  

Felgraf: Sgygus: the brain-implanted chip, that is capable of controlling a human's emotion and mood by emitting waves that are beyond the usual or natural frequency and amplitude

Suppose this works.  After the implant, do we wander about like blissed-out mindless Eloi?

/does the device have a bitter old-man setting?

As someone working on a graphene-based neural-machine interface as a postdoc, and who are in the planning stages:

This sounds like Theranos-level bullshiat.

Leaving aside the "I am highly skeptical they are anywhere close to a device that isn't just a rebranded cochclear implant" issue

How do they know what 'waves' will control human emotions? How do they know it will be universal for everyone?


Seems very similar to binaural beats, which as I understand, just quiets a bit of your internal monologue making it easier to focus.
 
2020-08-06 3:22:08 PM  
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, and say
Is in the pill you took today
 
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