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(AP News)   President Trump to laud Arizona's Covid-19 response as success. That can't be right...*reads again*...no, it really says "success"   (apnews.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 4:20:57 PM  
The schools can't even get insurance. This is total fail Donnie.
 
2020-08-05 4:25:26 PM  
"...and soon we shall see the funeral pyres all the way from New Mexico, Nevada, and Utah. Mexico will smell the dead as they ascend to Heaven, and they will know their heathen Catholicism is a lie! The market for housing will be wide open as elderly Americans make way for the younger generations, and Freedom and prosperity will reign like the Thousand Years that America shall wave her flag, For Great Freeeeeedom!"
 
2020-08-05 4:29:06 PM  
The 87 new known deaths reported on Wednesday represent the new deaths identified by the Arizona Department of Health Services that day, but many occurred days and weeks prior. Given slow test result turnaround times, new daily reported cases often represent cases that occurred days and weeks prior.

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It's a game, and His Douchey-ness is simply kissing The Don's ass. We are now a swing state and he's giving us a bit of Trump love, though most of us are wearing jock straps with cups on. Sheriff Joke is trying to make a come back.

FTFA: President Donald Trump lauded Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey at the White House on Wednesday, as he pointed to the state as a model for the nation for handling "embers" of the coronavirus.

Are ... are we sure he wasn't talking about our handling of the wild fires we had a month ago?
 
2020-08-05 4:32:06 PM  
I'm just glad our glorious leader has increased our chocolate ration to twenty grams a week.
 
2020-08-05 6:15:51 PM  
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Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.
 
2020-08-05 6:45:08 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.


A spike can only get so high before it has to eventually go down.
 
2020-08-05 6:59:18 PM  
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

It was their final, most essential command
 
2020-08-05 7:00:15 PM  

Mugato: Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.

A spike can only get so high before it has to eventually go down.


Don't mistake my post for giving AZ, or especially Trump, much credit. I'm merely recognizing the fact that it's not completely pulled from his ass, like when he says the US has the lowest death rate in the world.
 
2020-08-05 7:02:02 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.



Yeah but that's not what "embers" of a fire look like.
 
2020-08-05 7:02:57 PM  
1984 really screwed people up. Everyone in America has only been scared of the Soviet Union for so long everyone completely forgot authoritarian-ism usually comes from the right side of the spectrum. Strong men saying only they can restore former glory and keep you safe.

The government told you to ignore your eyes and ears is best displayed today on the right in this country and most of western Europe.  Murch of the rest of the world seems to already be under authoritarian control.
 
2020-08-05 7:03:03 PM  

SoupGuru: I'm just glad our glorious leader has increased our chocolate ration to twenty grams a week.


Did he increase the quota of lame Orwell quotes people trot out to sound profound, a la "so it's come to this?"
 
2020-08-05 7:04:22 PM  
Skulls for the throne
 
2020-08-05 7:05:42 PM  
Heavy wears the Crown.
 
2020-08-05 7:06:24 PM  

JolobinSmokin: 1984 really screwed people up. Everyone in America has only been scared of the Soviet Union for so long everyone completely forgot authoritarian-ism usually comes from the right side of the spectrum. Strong men saying only they can restore former glory and keep you safe.

The government told you to ignore your eyes and ears is best displayed today on the right in this country and most of western Europe.  Murch of the rest of the world seems to already be under authoritarian control.


I think it was less the fault of 1984, and more the fault of 50 years of anti-Soviet propaganda.
 
2020-08-05 7:07:06 PM  
Now that all Covid numbers are going through the White House, I expect it to die out in Red states and surge in blue states.
 
2020-08-05 7:08:28 PM  
He's saying it's a success because he thinks they successfully made it from A to Z.
 
2020-08-05 7:10:55 PM  
What "embers" in Arizona might look like.

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2020-08-05 7:12:08 PM  
I think Trump is measuring their success by acting like the Corona pandemic doesn't exist

"Do not mind the dead people, they just were part of a hoax"
 
2020-08-05 7:12:30 PM  

aleister_greynight: JolobinSmokin: 1984 really screwed people up. Everyone in America has only been scared of the Soviet Union for so long everyone completely forgot authoritarian-ism usually comes from the right side of the spectrum. Strong men saying only they can restore former glory and keep you safe.

The government told you to ignore your eyes and ears is best displayed today on the right in this country and most of western Europe.  Murch of the rest of the world seems to already be under authoritarian control.

I think it was less the fault of 1984, and more the fault of 50 years of anti-Soviet propaganda.


I'll agree with that. For the sake of brevity, I left out that out of my analysis.  Unpacking anti-left wing propaganda is why I'm a Dollop fan, even though I haven't seen all of the episodes.
 
2020-08-05 7:13:32 PM  
Not fair! They had the heat to kill it off.  Yeah. We had heat too but their's is a dry heat.  Known to kill Covid dead.

Of course, Covid isn't technically alive but neither is half of Tucson in the summer.
 
2020-08-05 7:14:22 PM  
Telling you what they want you to believe for their own purposes is a common tactic among American private sector business leaders. That's something I've specifically noticed through a few decades of working with them.

Generally they don't do it as ham-fistedly as Trump, and usually have some sort of plausible deniability, but it's very very common among our business leaders. Any statement at all from an RM level or above I always take with a huge grain of salt.
 
2020-08-05 7:15:39 PM  
The only people still surprised at this game are those who think "it's a death cult" is hyperbole.

Let me ask you folks a few questions. First, for a moment, pretend it is a death cult. Now, if you're going to have a death cult, doesn't it make sense that you want people who want to die or others to die? And is it entirely consistent with wanting death on self or others to think that higher death rates are a good thing? So is the death cult idea really that nutty?
 
2020-08-05 7:16:43 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.


They magically turned around and began going down immediately after the Traitor's people took over handling of covid case numbers.

There, unfortunately, is your answer.
 
2020-08-05 7:18:22 PM  
It's just a verbatim reading of this, isn't it?
Portal - 'Still Alive'
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2020-08-05 7:20:06 PM  
Everything is a suck-cess when you use Trump math .. We're lower than the world ..
 
2020-08-05 7:20:29 PM  
Today Ontario Canada had 88 new cases. Arizona had 87 deaths. But don't worry, Ontario only has twice the population.
 
2020-08-05 7:23:10 PM  
If Arizona were its own country, it would have the 4th highest per capita cases of coronavirus in the world, behind only Qatar, Lousiana, and French Guiana.
 
2020-08-05 7:25:51 PM  
You don't have a non-profit school board insurance exchange that is owned by the board and regulated to provide all of its members insurance at a reduced rate?
 
2020-08-05 7:48:57 PM  

aleister_greynight: JolobinSmokin: 1984 really screwed people up. Everyone in America has only been scared of the Soviet Union for so long everyone completely forgot authoritarian-ism usually comes from the right side of the spectrum. Strong men saying only they can restore former glory and keep you safe.

The government told you to ignore your eyes and ears is best displayed today on the right in this country and most of western Europe.  Murch of the rest of the world seems to already be under authoritarian control.

I think it was less the fault of 1984, and more the fault of 50 years of anti-Soviet propaganda.


Wait, isn't that just for white people?  I mean for large parts, 1984 has been reality somewhat, just now it's starting to spill over to the suburban world where THEY FINALLY GET AFFECTED BY IT.

For example, Canada and Germany certainly arn't authoritarian control, however many places influenced in politics by the USA have authoritarian control.  For what it's worth.
 
2020-08-05 7:55:36 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.


that's the game. Don't add positive cases until a week has passed. That generates a downward trendline.
 
2020-08-05 8:00:58 PM  
Ducey's handling of this has been notoriously timid and buck-pass-y. If he can get someone else to take responsibility and the blame for whatever goes wrong, he will! It has been on individual cities whether or not to encourage mask-wearing and discourage indoor dining and because of that compliance is mixed. It also looks like this is how he's going to "handle" reopening the schools. That is to say, You guys make the decision. I can't and won't.

I can only hope that Trump's attempt to nail AZ's response to Ducey and nail Ducey to Trump terrifies the little rat. Maybe if he gets a little more scared of what this is going to do to his rep, he'll actually start making improvements.
 
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2020-08-05 8:01:01 PM  
Arizona only needed to have a recent success because the farkstick of a governor lifted the stay at home order and the original closures for Trump's visit to the Honeywell factory that was making masks.  Douchey then refused to take action until the numbers started spiralling out of control, and then the man, lacking testicular fortitude, passed the buck, saying local jurisdictions could pass their own rules.  Maricopa County, Pima County, the cities in these counties, and many other areas immediately passed mask ordinances and restrictions on businesses before the too-little-too-late governor closed gyms and a few other kinds of businesses.

So fark Trump, fark the governor of Arizona, fark McSally trying to claim in radio ads that she had anything to do with improving numbers or leadership.
 
2020-08-05 8:05:27 PM  
I have extended family out there, three who live together and all got it. One caught it working at the local national big box retailer, and the other two in the household got it from him. He recovered physically, mostly, and the other two are home after hospitalization, but one's on a ventilator with hope running thin.

Fark Trump, fark Arizona state government, and fark our best economy in the world bullshiat,
 
2020-08-05 8:05:36 PM  

kkinnison: I think Trump is measuring their success by acting like the Corona pandemic doesn't exist


NO, he is measuring success by using the absolutely worst case scenario as a comparison for the current situation and saying "see, it could have been worse".
 
2020-08-05 8:06:27 PM  
You finished climbing the ladder. I'm Cess. Start sucking.
 
2020-08-05 8:07:12 PM  
It's almost like they have been manipulating the numbers since they took them from the CDC.
 
2020-08-05 8:08:21 PM  

Pincy: kkinnison: I think Trump is measuring their success by acting like the Corona pandemic doesn't exist

NO, he is measuring success by using the absolutely worst case scenario as a comparison for the current situation and saying "see, it could have been worse".


He also only counts deaths from the virus, discounting all the other ways it farks you up, often permanently.
 
2020-08-05 8:21:38 PM  

ifky: What "embers" in Arizona might look like.

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2020-08-05 8:26:10 PM  
I should buy real estate in Florida and Arizona, you know the kind.

Spoiler, it's the kind that needs a deep cleaning to remove the Grandma farts.
 
2020-08-05 8:51:24 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.


Here's the problem with "the numbers".

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"Project Catapult" was supposed to give us the capacity to run 35,000 tests a day by August 1st, and 60k by September 1st.
The first week of July we did 19,000-20,000 a day
The second week we did 17,000-18,500
The third week we fell to 14,000-16,000
Fourth week was only 9,700 to 11,600
Last week isn't fully in but is currently between 7,000 and 9,000

Some can be attributed to drop in demand, and positive rate has fallen from ~22% to low teens, backed up by a ~40% drop in hospital inpatients, so things are definitely getting better...  And we finally cleared out our test backlog at the main lab yesterday... but we have no idea where we actually are, because they seem to have very firmly adopted the Trump guideline of "if you test for the virus you find it, so don't test".
 
2020-08-05 8:57:11 PM  

erik-k: They magically turned around and began going down immediately after the Traitor's people took over handling of covid case numbers.

There, unfortunately, is your answer.


That doesn't explain case numbers, which are handled by state health departments, not HHS.
We turned around very slowly over the course of about three weeks after the main cities revolted and implemented mask ordinances in direct violation of Ducey's executive order that banned stricter local controls than the state, and after he finally relented and re-closed bars.

So that's why we're getting better.  He's still opted for just not running tests and delaying results more than 7 days so things look better than they are, but it's getting better because we did something about it.  The bare minimum, a month too late, but did something.
 
2020-08-05 8:58:09 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.


Its hard to see for sure but all data started going to HHS instead of the CDC between July 10 and 20th.

I'm sure its a coincidence that's when Arizona's stats started to improve.

I'm sure its also a coincidence that their testing chart looks identical to the death one.

And its a coincidence that the number of tests has dropped by over 50% in 3 weeks, from 108,000 down to about 50,000.

/And nobody wanted to believe the president that more testing means more cases!

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2020-08-05 8:58:32 PM  

erik-k: Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.

They magically turned around and began going down immediately after the Traitor's people took over handling of covid case numbers.

There, unfortunately, is your answer.


Is it? Because here in Utah, nothing has changed. The state releases the numbers at 1:00. The SL Tribune reports them within 30 minutes or so. They show up on Worldometers within 30-60 minutes. And they are exactly as the state announced. Everyday. If that isn't happening everywhere, it should be. But at least here, it doesn't matter if those numbers end up at CDC or HHS. They are what they are.
 
2020-08-05 9:08:54 PM  
He was told that his response sucks S....
...and he just heard what he wanted.
 
2020-08-05 9:10:38 PM  

weddingsinger: Three Crooked Squirrels: [Fark user image 346x750]

Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.

Its hard to see for sure but all data started going to HHS instead of the CDC between July 10 and 20th.

I'm sure its a coincidence that's when Arizona's stats started to improve.

I'm sure its also a coincidence that their testing chart looks identical to the death one.

And its a coincidence that the number of tests has dropped by over 50% in 3 weeks, from 108,000 down to about 50,000.

/And nobody wanted to believe the president that more testing means more cases!

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As in, shouldn't there be a noticeable lag after a huge spike in positive cases before deaths begin to go down?
 
2020-08-05 9:28:58 PM  

DemonEater: Three Crooked Squirrels: Their cases numbers are doing much better. I question whether we can trust their numbers, but the numbers are better.

Here's the problem with "the numbers".

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"Project Catapult" was supposed to give us the capacity to run 35,000 tests a day by August 1st, and 60k by September 1st.
The first week of July we did 19,000-20,000 a day
The second week we did 17,000-18,500
The third week we fell to 14,000-16,000
Fourth week was only 9,700 to 11,600
Last week isn't fully in but is currently between 7,000 and 9,000

Some can be attributed to drop in demand, and positive rate has fallen from ~22% to low teens, backed up by a ~40% drop in hospital inpatients, so things are definitely getting better...  And we finally cleared out our test backlog at the main lab yesterday... but we have no idea where we actually are, because they seem to have very firmly adopted the Trump guideline of "if you test for the virus you find it, so don't test".


Ok. If that's the cause, I'll buy it. I just don't think it's the change away from CDC. It doesn't seem to be here in Utah. But I can be convinced.
 
2020-08-05 9:34:57 PM  

weddingsinger: Its hard to see for sure but all data started going to HHS instead of the CDC between July 10 and 20th.

I'm sure its a coincidence that's when Arizona's stats started to improve.

I'm sure its also a coincidence that their testing chart looks identical to the death one.

And its a coincidence that the number of tests has dropped by over 50% in 3 weeks, from 108,000 down to about 50,000.

/And nobody wanted to believe the president that more testing means more cases!


So, first of all, the data going to HHS is only hospital patient data.  Case and testing data gets reported directly from the labs to the Arizona Department of Health Services.  They suck, Dr. Christ is an idiot, but the Feds are not in the reporting chain.  Half-baked conspiracy theories based on major misunderstandings are for Republicans, not us.

Arizona's stats started to improve after the case peak of June 29th because on June 20th, Phoenix, Tucson, and Flagstaff implemented mask ordinances, followed not long after by their respective counties, and other cities.  Ten days after mask ordinance, oh hey look, cases start going down, what a shock.  Ducey also re-closed bars on June 29th.  These things work.

Now, it is true that the number of tests started falling off pretty badly, but that started after July 2nd, not 10th, and that's a pure state farkery thing.  Some of it may be from drop in demand, because positive rates are also dropping a lot, but we do all want to know why testing is so bad here, despite "Project Catapult".

Still, the testing chart and death chart do not look identical.  Here they are together:

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I am not using any death data after 7/20 because deaths take so much longer to report than cases. Deaths are basically plateauing around 70 a day, and we don't know if they're starting to drop yet.  Tests are dropping rapidly.

Again, I'm with you on the drop in tests.  I really want to know why it's happening, and that it's not farkery.  But it's state farkery, because Ducey is a trump-humping moron and Christ is, for someone with an MD, a real covidiot.  It's not federal though, they're just following his lead.
 
2020-08-05 9:42:19 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Ok. If that's the cause, I'll buy it. I just don't think it's the change away from CDC. It doesn't seem to be here in Utah. But I can be convinced.


Oh no, it's nothing to do with the CDC change at all, because labs report direct to AZDHS.

If anyone is cooking anything it's happening in the offices of Ducey and Christ.  You don't think a Trump-humper with 2024 Senate or Presidential aspirations who finds his state leading the entire world in per-capita new cases would pull some shady shiat to get himself out of the spotlight?

We haven't been able to prove anything when the alternatives are nationwide shortage of reagents/plastic tips/swabs and the like, drop in demand, or any other plausible reasons, but it's really concerning nonetheless.  Still, *all* metrics are pointing down, even the ones that are harder to fark with, so, you know, we're probably back where we were in mid June now at least.
 
2020-08-05 10:23:03 PM  
Success at killing people is still technically a success.
 
2020-08-05 10:23:10 PM  
When you fuss a little about the embers and aren't careful about another flare up you get this.

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