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2020-08-05 2:32:39 PM  
When the ignorant peasants are afraid of that newfangled lernin', the country is in deep trouble.
 
2020-08-05 2:37:26 PM  
Yes. And we could end up regressing into a type of dark ages as our public education system is stripped and destroyed.
 
2020-08-05 2:55:57 PM  
 
2020-08-05 2:56:18 PM  
Thank the president of the united states for feeding the best of our best to the hogs.
 
2020-08-05 2:56:46 PM  
"Stupid is..."
Sometimes you don't even need to "do" it

Nuff said
 
2020-08-05 2:57:00 PM  
This is why we have the Country Music Awards every freaking month.
 
2020-08-05 2:57:09 PM  
And this is the point where humans begin separating into Morlock and Eloi.
 
2020-08-05 2:57:22 PM  
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2020-08-05 2:57:51 PM  
Yes, it's such a new problem...
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2020-08-05 2:58:09 PM  
Fox News seen blushing with pride.
 
2020-08-05 2:59:40 PM  
I'll take "Understatements of the Young Century" for $500, Alex.
 
2020-08-05 3:00:48 PM  
There's a degree of anti-science in the White House.
 
2020-08-05 3:01:20 PM  
Without science, you would have no F-150 SuperDuty douchewagons to haul your gun collection around, morons.
 
2020-08-05 3:02:09 PM  
It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.
 
2020-08-05 3:03:16 PM  

lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.


I can't tell you how many "Science is a RELIGION" posts I've seen over the years.
 
2020-08-05 3:06:17 PM  
It's not just anti-science. It's anti-education in general. The term 'ivory tower' is an implication that educators are somehow detached from the rest of society and issue pronouncements of great importance without an understanding of the effects of such pronouncements on the hoi polloi.

American culture has a closely held belief that hard work provides experience, and experience leads to wisdom. Education attempts to circumvent this process by implying that one can reach wisdom just through learning and without experience.

The fallacy of this lies in the fact that neither hard work nor pure learning are mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, there is a strong bias towards the first. That may be because the outcome of hard work is tangible long before the benefits of an education are. Another reason may be because much of the knowledge gained during education is ultimately unimportant to the living of one's daily life.
 
2020-08-05 3:06:58 PM  

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Who is this "Jsaac Asimov", and why does he think he's better than me?

I'mma go troll his Insta SO HARD
 
2020-08-05 3:09:00 PM  
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2020-08-05 3:09:23 PM  
I've heard anti-mask / anti-science yodeling from people I know personally who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum.  Quackery is bipartisan.
 
2020-08-05 3:10:50 PM  

lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.


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2020-08-05 3:12:09 PM  
 It's funny how no one wants to be your friend when you're smart or do smart things, but come knocking on your door when they need something fixed.

People are afraid of intelligence unless they can use it for personal gain.
 
2020-08-05 3:12:19 PM  

fiddlehead: lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.

I can't tell you how many "Science is a RELIGION" posts I've seen over the years.


There is some validity to the statement that "religion was the first science".  In the very early days when there was no understanding of anything at all, people would see the sun come up, and not be able to explain that.  Must be a god.  Same thing with rain, fire, stars, the Moon, lightening, ice, animals, sickness, hot, cold, light, dark, and almost anything else you can think of.  Until there was a reasonable explanation, god was the reason for everything.

It doesn't mean it was good science.  But it's true.

Right up to this day, when we have good science to explain a lot, you will find people saying, "Well, what happened before the Big Bang?"  Since we don't actually have an explanation for that, because it is considered unknowable, God still resides there.
 
2020-08-05 3:15:18 PM  

durbnpoisn: "Well, what happened before the Big Bang?"


Oh, your mom was in grade school then.
 
2020-08-05 3:26:00 PM  

amindtat: lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.

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No disrespect to Sagan but in 1995 this wasn't much of a stretch. Apocalyptic visions in the years pre-2K spawned a resurgence in occult/new age.  The internet was young and global trade agreements were splashing the planet with an attitude of reckless disregard for local economies.  A new peasant class full of sage-smudging bible or tarot thumpers was inevitable.

It seems prophetic now but it ironically reads like a generic horoscope for almost any American age.
 
2020-08-05 3:28:49 PM  
A Connecticut Yankee in King Donald's court. Starring Mike Pence as Merlin.
 
2020-08-05 3:29:47 PM  

amindtat: lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.

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Well, shiat.
 
2020-08-05 3:31:11 PM  

Cache: Fox News seen blushing with pride.


That's just the orange spray-tan.
 
2020-08-05 3:34:15 PM  
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2020-08-05 3:38:24 PM  

whither_apophis: Looks like 37.9 degrees

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I was thinking more along the lines of around 451°F.
 
2020-08-05 3:38:40 PM  
Ugh. Had my first awkward conversation about masks and "freedom" today with somebody I thought knew better and that I have a professional relationship with (so being diplomatic is half the battle).
Difficulty: Canadian. Caveat: Religious and lives in the country.
Bummer.
 
2020-08-05 3:43:20 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Without science, you would have no F-150 SuperDuty douchewagons to haul your gun collection around, morons.


Every time a Ford truck starts the owner says "oh thank God"
 
2020-08-05 3:46:20 PM  

whither_apophis: fragMasterFlash: Without science, you would have no F-150 SuperDuty douchewagons to haul your gun collection around, morons.

Every time a Ford truck starts the owner says "oh thank God" I didn't buy a Chevy.

 
2020-08-05 3:48:37 PM  
from HL Mencken's obituary of Wm. Jennings Bryan (1925)

"What was behind that consuming hatred? At first I thought that it was mere evangelical passion. Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love. But even evangelical Christians occasionally loose their belts and belch amicably; I have known some who, off duty, were very benignant. In that very courtroom, indeed, were some of them -- for example, old Ben McKenzie, Nestor of the Dayton bar, who sat beside Bryan. Ben was full of good humor. He made jokes with Darrow. But Bryan only glared.
One day it dawned on me that Bryan, after all, was an evangelical Christian only by sort of afterthought -- that his career in this world, and the glories thereof, had actually come to an end before he ever began whooping for Genesis. So I came to this conclusion: that what really moved him was a lust for revenge. The men of the cities had destroyed him and made a mock of him; now he would lead the yokels against them. Various facts clicked into the theory, and I hold it still. The hatred in the old man's burning eyes was not for the enemies of God; it was for the enemies of Bryan.
Thus he fought his last fight, eager only for blood. It quickly became frenzied and preposterous, and after that pathetic. All sense departed from him. He bit right and left, like a dog with rabies. He descended to demagogy so dreadful that his very associates blushed. His one yearning was to keep his yokels heated up -- to lead his forlorn mob against the foe. That foe, alas, refused to be alarmed. It insisted upon seeing the battle as a comedy. Even Darrow, who knew better, occasionally yielded to the prevailing spirit. Finally, he lured poor Bryan into a folly almost incredible.
I allude to his astounding argument against the notion that man is a mammal. I am glad I heard it, for otherwise I'd never believe it. There stood the man who had been thrice a candidate for the Presidency of the Republic -- and once, I believe, elected -- there he stood in the glare of the world, uttering stuff that a boy of eight would laugh at! The artful Darrow led him on: he repeated it, ranted for it, bellowed it in his cracked voice. A tragedy, indeed! He came into life a hero, a Galahad, in bright and shining armor. Now he was passing out a pathetic fool."

If you have a few minutes, look it up and read the whole thing.  Truly masterful.
 
2020-08-05 3:48:40 PM  
Stupid, Asinine, Scary, Sad and Sick tags also in hiding.
 
2020-08-05 3:51:28 PM  

lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.


Yeah.  The problem isn't that anyone is "anti-science".  Most people won't come out and claim that they're against  science.  It's just that they can't tell what good science is, and turn to whatever "scientific" confirmatory claims they think will shore up whatever position they've decided (un-scientifically) to defend.
 
2020-08-05 3:51:38 PM  
Because one political party has made it their mission to be anti-science. And anti- lots of good things.
 
2020-08-05 3:56:01 PM  

vudukungfu: durbnpoisn: "Well, what happened before the Big Bang?"

Oh, your mom was in grade school then.


I know you were trying to make a joke there.  You tried.
Now run along, little one.
 
2020-08-05 3:59:07 PM  
Billy Liar:

Mencken is always worth a read.
 
2020-08-05 4:02:58 PM  

Billy Liar: from HL Mencken's obituary of Wm. Jennings Bryan (1925)

"What was behind that consuming hatred? At first I thought that it was mere evangelical passion. Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love. But even evangelical Christians occasionally loose their belts and belch amicably; I have known some who, off duty, were very benignant. In that very courtroom, indeed, were some of them -- for example, old Ben McKenzie, Nestor of the Dayton bar, who sat beside Bryan. Ben was full of good humor. He made jokes with Darrow. But Bryan only glared.
One day it dawned on me that Bryan, after all, was an evangelical Christian only by sort of afterthought -- that his career in this world, and the glories thereof, had actually come to an end before he ever began whooping for Genesis. So I came to this conclusion: that what really moved him was a lust for revenge. The men of the cities had destroyed him and made a mock of him; now he would lead the yokels against them. Various facts clicked into the theory, and I hold it still. The hatred in the old man's burning eyes was not for the enemies of God; it was for the enemies of Bryan.
Thus he fought his last fight, eager only for blood. It quickly became frenzied and preposterous, and after that pathetic. All sense departed from him. He bit right and left, like a dog with rabies. He descended to demagogy so dreadful that his very associates blushed. His one yearning was to keep his yokels heated up -- to lead his forlorn mob against the foe. That foe, alas, refused to be alarmed. It insisted upon seeing the battle as a comedy. Even Darrow, who knew better, occasionally yielded to the prevailing spirit. Finally, he lured poor Bryan into a folly almost incredible.
I allude to his astounding argument against the notion that man is a mammal. I am glad I heard it, for otherwise I'd never believe it. There stood the man who had been thrice a candidate for the Presid ...


... NEBRASKA!

or The Aristocrats.
 
2020-08-05 4:03:48 PM  

amindtat: lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.

"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance"

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark


Tech-priests? In *my* 'Murican culture?

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2020-08-05 4:07:22 PM  
Jenny McCarthy is my guide.
Don't believe the lies from big pharma.
Sheeple
 
2020-08-05 4:08:32 PM  
It's really taken hold in politics lately. One reason I can't see us getting back to the moon.
 
2020-08-05 4:09:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Yes. And we could end up regressing into a type of dark ages as our public education system is stripped and destroyed.


:masturbates republicanly:
 
2020-08-05 4:12:33 PM  

fiddlehead: lordjupiter: It's not anti-science, it's a belief that science and magic are the same thing.

That's how they justify trusting a doctor that blames disease on demon rape.

I can't tell you how many "Science is a RELIGION" posts I've seen over the years.


or that 'liberals worship government and not Teh LORD©®™'

/liberal
//don't really worship anything
 
2020-08-05 4:20:05 PM  
Trump and science.

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2020-08-05 4:23:15 PM  

edmo: It's really taken hold in politics lately. One reason I can't see us getting back to the moon.


The GOP has been anti-science for at least a generation.
 
2020-08-05 4:24:35 PM  
I think there is a degree of information from all angles something is good, then bad.  Like people where I live are 95% of people are wearing masks and social distancing, but yet we are still breaking records??

so basically we are told 2 + 2 = 4
But statics are saying 2 + 2 = 97

so give me consistency and I will buy it.
 
2020-08-05 4:33:29 PM  

We Ate the Necco Wafers: It's not just anti-science. It's anti-education in general. The term 'ivory tower' is an implication that educators are somehow detached from the rest of society and issue pronouncements of great importance without an understanding of the effects of such pronouncements on the hoi polloi.

American culture has a closely held belief that hard work provides experience, and experience leads to wisdom. Education attempts to circumvent this process by implying that one can reach wisdom just through learning and without experience.

The fallacy of this lies in the fact that neither hard work nor pure learning are mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, there is a strong bias towards the first. That may be because the outcome of hard work is tangible long before the benefits of an education are. Another reason may be because much of the knowledge gained during education is ultimately unimportant to the living of one's daily life.


Can I agree and disagree at the same time?
:)
Education is meant as a shortcut. Indeed that is its inherent value.
Apprenticeship is mostly how to do things. Education is mostly why
Having worked in academia (part time) and in human development (full time), I've seen people who really are out of touch with the real world. A lot of it is because of ego. After learning and taking the "shortcut" of education, many educators have stopped learning even as the field around them grows. Dare I say the majority.
While focusing on the "why", many educators have forgotten about the "how". Look at the title of any PhD thesis, especially in a well populated field and ask what is the practical value of that study. I've seen PhD students pushed into a corner by advisors that want something new/different (as opposed to well done) that even the students themselves end up unenthusiastic about the topic and it becomes a chore.
But I digress.
Going back to the how/why, there's a running joke that you never see a rich economist. As human nature we all love materialistic things, so why aren't economists rich?
My grandfather, with little formal education achieved so many things. His issue with PhDs has always been the matter of application.
Someone would say I have a PhD in x field, and he's respond with something like "good, so what can you do."

For the record, I appreciate knowledge, appreciate theoretical studies, and intend to one day work on my PhD, I only have issues when time and effort are spent on something (that's not even a personal passion) and has no applicable use, even if it is just being able to more deeply critique something in the field.

I also want to clarify, ivory towers are not limited to education. They also exist in management structures where bosses have no idea what customers really want, no idea what the regular employee is going through and make decisions based on what they have in mind, which is usually knowledge garnered a long time ago and/or in another business/field.
Personally, I worked in government, in or around policy making. We had a guest speaker, I think she was originally from Jersey, talk about how they had done a turnaround in a semi-rural school, that had awful grades and attendance and close to zero parent participation.
After she was done we asked her for a parting message and she said "don't make policies in ivory towers".
You could cut the embarrassment in the room with a knife because we could not recall the last time we had done surveys, the last time we had gone out and spoken to "the man in the street" or users of government services.

The best educators I've seen were those who blended theory and application, who could bring a subject to life via stories, who actually say "this theory "x" is great as a guideline, but in real life, without "y" it will not give you the results you seek," because they've been there and tried that.

/sorry for the wall of text. Practical application is a passion of mine.
 
2020-08-05 4:36:09 PM  

whither_apophis: Looks like 37.9 degrees

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And they say WE have blind faith.
 
2020-08-05 4:43:16 PM  
Yes. A degree. LOL
 
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