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(Axios)   Biden's brain trust clearly see the VP pick as Harris, Obama's people say not so fast, Susan Rice would guarantee the enthusiastic presence of both Barack and Michelle Obama on the campaign trail   (axios.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 11:22:03 AM  
So a choice between person that has run for public office and won and  publicly vetted or a person that has never even run for office before.
Harris is the far better choice.
 
2020-08-05 11:29:28 AM  
Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.
 
2020-08-05 11:30:22 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.


They'd be out there if he picked George Wallace.
 
2020-08-05 11:30:32 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.


This is what I'm thinking.

To say otherwise is to imply that they would be petty.
 
2020-08-05 11:37:56 AM  
I'm not sure how on board I am with Harris but I hope they are considering that whoever Biden picks will certainly be a frontrunner for 2024 or 28 and be a heartbeat away from a 77 year old to being the next president so it should be someone who we can trust to run the country.
 
2020-08-05 11:56:00 AM  
Heh, another article posting speculation as to what's going on in Biden's VP selection.
I've known for 33 years that he's choosing Martha Nielsen.
 
2020-08-05 11:56:57 AM  
Rice is an outstanding person, but she has never run for office. This is not the time for a novice. Harris has survived the trial by fire of the presidential campaign trail. She's been vetted from here to high heaven by her opponents and the media. The worst thing you can say about her is that she's an ex-prosecutor, which might ruffle some purity progressives, but it will help take the sting out of any "Joe Biden wants to defund the police" bullshiat from Trump2020.
 
2020-08-05 11:59:26 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.


I know what you're saying, but it should be pointed out that they don't have any obligation to us anymore.  They saved us from ourselves once, and gave us eight years of public service to put us on track again.  We repaid them by electing a corrupt orange buffoon who trashed everything again, but so, so much worse.

If the Obamas told us that they were leaving us to wallow in the mess we created to go live out their lives getting baked on a private island until we get our shiat correct, I wouldn't blame them one bit.  In fact, that is definitely what I would do.  Because I am not as good a person as they are.
 
2020-08-05 12:03:16 PM  

eurotrader: So a choice between person that has run for public office and won and  publicly vetted or a person that has never even run for office before.
Harris is the far better choice.


He can always find a position in the administration for Rice.
 
2020-08-05 12:05:16 PM  
But... but... Benghazi! And such as
 
2020-08-05 12:09:05 PM  
Susan Rice will be taken more seriously, imo
 
2020-08-05 12:11:44 PM  
I would still love it if Duckworth was the VP choice, just to see how Pence would handle it.
 
2020-08-05 12:11:49 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.


This
 
2020-08-05 12:12:09 PM  
I don't think Biden is going to want Obama stumping for him after that catastrophic failed presidency and bengazi
 
2020-08-05 12:13:00 PM  
Barack HUSSEIN Obama said Kamala Harris is the best looking AG in the country and now Biden wants to sniff her hair.

/ this marijuana sucks
 
2020-08-05 12:13:45 PM  

eurotrader: So a choice between person that has run for public office and won and  publicly vetted or a person that has never even run for office before.
Harris is the far better choice.


Except for her having been a cop in post Floyd America, of course.
 
2020-08-05 12:13:55 PM  

RasIanI: Susan Rice will be taken more seriously, imo


I agree - she's calm, cool and collected and has eight years serving at some of the highest levels of international politics with Biden.  I've seen Harris pounce ruthlessly a few times, which I think is why she lost the presidential race - too emotional.  As a woman, I'd rather see Rice as VP, and Harris as AG.
 
2020-08-05 12:14:34 PM  
People that shouldn't be considered:
- Hillary Clinton
- Tulsi Gabbard
- OJ Simpson

Other than that, I'm pretty open minded.
 
2020-08-05 12:15:25 PM  
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2020-08-05 12:15:59 PM  

ArkPanda: NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.

They'd be out there if he picked George Wallace.


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2020-08-05 12:16:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Rice is an outstanding person, but she has never run for office. This is not the time for a novice. Harris has survived the trial by fire of the presidential campaign trail. She's been vetted from here to high heaven by her opponents and the media. The worst thing you can say about her is that she's an ex-prosecutor, which might ruffle some purity progressives, but it will help take the sting out of any "Joe Biden wants to defund the police" bullshiat from Trump2020.


Very good point.
 
2020-08-05 12:17:39 PM  
Ya'll will be just as jazzed for Joe when he names Condoleeza Rice as his running mate, right?
 
2020-08-05 12:18:00 PM  
Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.
 
2020-08-05 12:19:01 PM  

Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.


Gee, silly me, I thought there was a general election four years ago that settled that once and for all.
 
2020-08-05 12:19:39 PM  

ArkPanda: NewportBarGuy: Barack and Michelle better be out there every single day no matter who the pick is.

They'd be out there if he picked George Wallace.


I'd be out there if they picked George Wallace. And whatnot.
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2020-08-05 12:19:58 PM  
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I wish Russ was still in politics. He'd make a great VP pick.

/Personally, I like Warren for VP
 
2020-08-05 12:20:28 PM  

Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.


Yeah, this is really the time for "VP picks don't matter".

How many of you would have voted for McCain and Romney if Biden wasn't on the ticket?
 
2020-08-05 12:20:35 PM  

Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.


That idiot hasn't stumbled upon this thread yet.
 
2020-08-05 12:20:54 PM  

EyeballKid: Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.

Gee, silly me, I thought there was a general election four years ago that settled that once and for all.


Wow. This comment sure isn't something I've seen for the millionth time. Wow.

You should really Joe Biden and tell him this new information!
 
2020-08-05 12:22:25 PM  

Anenu: I'm not sure how on board I am with Harris but I hope they are considering that whoever Biden picks will certainly be a frontrunner for 2024 or 28 and be a heartbeat away from a 77 year old to being the next president so it should be someone who we can trust to run the country.


Harris would be a disappointment.  It would be a pretty big FU to progressives in the party.

I get the argument for Biden being the nominee.  He wasn't my choice at all but I get it.

I had kind of hoped he would pick a progressive VP to bring the party together.  Warren might be too old even though she got my vote in the primaries.  So maybe not Warren but not a freaking former PoPo in an environment where the PoPo and the justice system isn't trusted.
 
2020-08-05 12:23:06 PM  
Moderates never win.

Also, how come all the Democrat presidents are always moderate even though I say I'm progressive?
 
2020-08-05 12:23:13 PM  

Esc7: EyeballKid: Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.

Gee, silly me, I thought there was a general election four years ago that settled that once and for all.

Wow. This comment sure isn't something I've seen for the millionth time. Wow.

You should really Joe Biden and tell him this new information!


Why? You think he could remember it?
 
2020-08-05 12:23:22 PM  

Gonz: Esc7: Queue up the "moderates don't win elections" debate for the thousandth time.

Yeah, this is really the time for "VP picks don't matter".

How many of you would have voted for McCain and Romney if Biden wasn't on the ticket?


I can't even really tell if Sarah Palin moves the needle, Obama was a juggernaut that election.

It DID launch her career and created a locus for tea partiers to rally around and lay the ground work for proto trumpism. So that farking sucked. But did she lose the campaign for McCain? Ehhhhh
 
2020-08-05 12:26:02 PM  
Like it matters.  Trump has re-election in the bag. He and his Republican helpers will see to it.  They play to win and will do anything and everything to do just that. If you think things are bad now, just wait until after the election.
 
2020-08-05 12:26:17 PM  

rga184: Anenu: I'm not sure how on board I am with Harris but I hope they are considering that whoever Biden picks will certainly be a frontrunner for 2024 or 28 and be a heartbeat away from a 77 year old to being the next president so it should be someone who we can trust to run the country.

Harris would be a disappointment.  It would be a pretty big FU to progressives in the party.

I get the argument for Biden being the nominee.  He wasn't my choice at all but I get it.

I had kind of hoped he would pick a progressive VP to bring the party together.  Warren might be too old even though she got my vote in the primaries.  So maybe not Warren but not a freaking former PoPo in an environment where the PoPo and the justice system isn't trusted.


As long as we have FPTP voting, progressives will always get absolutely farked. We should be used to it.

What are we gonna do? Vote for Trump? Abstain? we're not that stupid.
 
2020-08-05 12:26:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Rice is an outstanding person, but she has never run for office. This is not the time for a novice. Harris has survived the trial by fire of the presidential campaign trail. She's been vetted from here to high heaven by her opponents and the media. The worst thing you can say about her is that she's an ex-prosecutor, which might ruffle some purity progressives, but it will help take the sting out of any "Joe Biden wants to defund the police" bullshiat from Trump2020.


The worst you can say about her is she was caught on tape joking about locking up single mothers for truancy.  That's what torpedoed her shot at the nomination itself.  She's rightfully unpopular and unliked and putting her on the ticket would be like hillary pt 2.
 
2020-08-05 12:27:57 PM  
How will the VP debates work?  Will Pence's wife have to be up there onstage with him?
 
2020-08-05 12:28:05 PM  
Are Susan Rice and Condoleza Rice related?
 
2020-08-05 12:28:38 PM  

Esc7: Gee, silly me, I thought there was a general election four years ago that settled that once and for all.

Wow. This comment sure isn't something I've seen for the millionth time. Wow.


And I think I understand why you haven't processed it yet.
 
2020-08-05 12:28:56 PM  
What about Abrams of Duckworth?
 
2020-08-05 12:29:07 PM  
It would seem that Duckworth isn't minority enough to be the selection, which is unfortunate.  Echoing other posters in here, of the two, I think Harris is the better choice than Rice due to her actually holding elected office before.  I do worry that a pairing of Biden/Harris may impact the enthusiasm of the non-moderate left, though.  Hopefully that doesn't cause a problem if she's the choice.

That said, as long as it's not Abrams, I'm fine.  I'd rather have a person that never ran for office than a person who lost in her own state when she ran for governor and refused to run for a winnable Senate seat because she thought she could pick up a VP nod.
 
2020-08-05 12:29:20 PM  

eurotrader: So a choice between person that has run for public office and won and  publicly vetted or a person that has never even run for office before.
Harris is the far better choice.


I will take either one. A secretary of state is actually a better choice than a junior senator in terms of needing to run the country. Having said that, either is actually capable.
 
2020-08-05 12:29:45 PM  
Wasn't Biden going to be announcing his pick this week?  It's halfway through the week and I haven't seen even an announcement of when that announcement would be.  I'd think they'd schedule it a couple days out to build buzz and get as many eyes on it as possible.
 
2020-08-05 12:30:06 PM  

Gergesa: What about Abrams of Duckworth?


I know you meant "or," but I hope you take time today to imagine a fancy lord named Abrams of Duckworth.
 
2020-08-05 12:30:14 PM  
Harris would box out the chance to get the left to vote. Maybe they wouldn't have already, but they're was some energy to get them aligned. While I disagree , she's not seen as trustworthy and is viewed as an apparatchik for the oppressive imprisoning pipeline besetting us. She neutralizes BLM supporters. I'm curious about her numbers with blacks in general. To me she smacks as false and careerist.
 
2020-08-05 12:31:36 PM  

Esc7: rga184: Anenu: I'm not sure how on board I am with Harris but I hope they are considering that whoever Biden picks will certainly be a frontrunner for 2024 or 28 and be a heartbeat away from a 77 year old to being the next president so it should be someone who we can trust to run the country.

Harris would be a disappointment.  It would be a pretty big FU to progressives in the party.

I get the argument for Biden being the nominee.  He wasn't my choice at all but I get it.

I had kind of hoped he would pick a progressive VP to bring the party together.  Warren might be too old even though she got my vote in the primaries.  So maybe not Warren but not a freaking former PoPo in an environment where the PoPo and the justice system isn't trusted.

As long as we have FPTP voting, progressives will always get absolutely farked. We should be used to it.

What are we gonna do? Vote for Trump? Abstain? we're not that stupid.


Embrace the chaos and see what happens when they no longer rely on progressive voters being taken for granted.

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It's liberating.
 
2020-08-05 12:32:36 PM  

Phil McKraken: Barack HUSSEIN Obama said Kamala Harris is the best looking AG in the country and now Biden wants to sniff her hair.

/ this marijuana sucks


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2020-08-05 12:32:43 PM  
jill stein was never a cop
 
2020-08-05 12:33:01 PM  
His VP pick won't be as important as his cabinet picks.  Secretary of State, Secretary of Labor, Treasury Secretary, etc.
 
2020-08-05 12:33:17 PM  

Gergesa: What about Abrams of Duckworth?


Abrams, no.
Duckworth, yes.
Susan Rice, yes.
Harris, no.
 
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