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(Oregon Live)   Why do Republicans have even the smallest chance in November? Because Democrats are, at best, incompetent   (oregonlive.com) divider line
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2020-08-05 10:23:28 AM  
Not incompetent. Complicit.
 
2020-08-05 10:51:25 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Not incompetent. Complicit.


Often both.
 
2020-08-05 11:19:50 AM  
Democrats also have the awful habit of not falling in lockstep with whoever is the flavor du jour.
 
2020-08-05 11:27:21 AM  
Don't forget about the whole "if you cannot win, cheat" thing.
 
2020-08-05 11:31:38 AM  
Why do we keep hiring people who are good at running campaigns to run government? That's not helpful.
 
2020-08-05 11:35:02 AM  

edmo: Why do we keep hiring people who are good at running campaigns to run government? That's not helpful.


Hiring is hard. You actually have to...talk....to......people.

It's just easier and faster to transition an existing hire into a new job.
 
2020-08-05 11:56:34 AM  
Personally, I find Will Roger's the most accurate in describing the Democratic Party.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."
 
2020-08-05 12:50:37 PM  
Remember America,
You're all in this incompetent together.
 
2020-08-05 12:52:01 PM  
I pointed this out in 2016.

Democrats are actually better at Doing the job. Republicans are better at Running For the job
 
2020-08-05 12:52:43 PM  
They have every chance don't fool yourself.

Remember how everyone laughed last time .... notice how many are laughing again now?
 
2020-08-05 12:52:45 PM  
It's because of an ancient electoral system that gives the other party enormous advantages.
 
2020-08-05 12:53:26 PM  
Republicans have a chance because they have brainwashed 40% of America and know how to steal elections.
 
2020-08-05 12:53:57 PM  
Be ause the qualities in leadership and the qualities of campaigning are sometimes opposed to each other?
 
2020-08-05 12:55:01 PM  
Yes, the GOP and Trump exude competence.
 
2020-08-05 12:55:35 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Democrats also have the awful habit of not falling in lockstep with whoever is the flavor du jour.


It's funny how many of my right-leaning friends who were "Never Trumpers" back in 2016 are MAGA hat wearing cultists now.
 
2020-08-05 12:56:24 PM  
The real problem with The Lincoln Project is not that it's being run by a gaggle of duplicitous twats who'll turn on Democrats the moment Trump is out of office. The problem is that Democrats are too stupid to have come up with The Lincoln Project themselves, thus ceding the task to the duplicitous twats of the world.

/Yes, I know TFA isn't about that
 
2020-08-05 12:57:13 PM  

darkeyes: Republicans have a chance because they have brainwashed 40% of America and know how to steal elections.


THIS right here.

They've also done a pretty good mindf*ck on the other 60% by keeping us so constantly outraged, frustrated, and off balance that we let much more of their shiat slide than we should.
 
2020-08-05 12:58:03 PM  
The disillusioned democrat stays home on election day
The disillusioned republican votes
 
2020-08-05 12:58:27 PM  
Oh, and just look where 52 years of Republican competence have gotten us.

I'm just glad the current GOP administration is so inept.  If it had any competence at all we'd be sieg heiling and goosestepping to the freedom stores to buy our mandatory quotas of steak and vodak by now.
 
2020-08-05 12:58:54 PM  
It turns out that a white man burned down the Democratic HQ here in Phoenix. He was a former volunteer there. Sure, the guy appears to be crazy... but it probably didn't help that he spent his time volunteering for a political cause only to see that cause reject him. I'm pretty sure there's many other people that have been in the same boat.
 
2020-08-05 12:58:58 PM  
WTF does any of this glibertarian both-sides bullshiat have to do with TFA?

Is it that we just have to give them one thread a day to cry it out?
 
2020-08-05 12:59:18 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: It's because of an ancient electoral system that gives the other party enormous advantages.


This

darkeyes: Republicans have a chance because they have brainwashed 40% of America and know how to steal elections.


...and that.

Can we stop acting as if Republicans aren't doing everything in their power to stop the opposition from voting?
 
2020-08-05 1:00:55 PM  

darcsun: It turns out that a white man burned down the Democratic HQ here in Phoenix. He was a former volunteer there. Sure, the guy appears to be crazy... but it probably didn't help that he spent his time volunteering for a political cause only to see that cause reject him. I'm pretty sure there's many other people that have been in the same boat.


Yep. 90% of this "movement" are white people, angry at the existence of a political space that does not recognize and cater to their privilege.
 
2020-08-05 1:01:04 PM  
Incompetent compared to who? The farking idiots responsible for over 180,000 deaths due to COVID-19?

Not clicking, because I don't really care what Oregon Live thinks.
 
2020-08-05 1:02:01 PM  
The Oregon Employment Department? Well... maybe they should just let people smoke peyote in peace.
 
2020-08-05 1:02:17 PM  
No subby, its because the repungent party knows that rigging, cheating and supression are the only way they will win

Nazi tactics and all that
 
2020-08-05 1:02:56 PM  
Republican voters are loyal to the party

Democratic voters can be persuaded to vote democrat, but only if they feel their pet causes adequately pandered to.
 
2020-08-05 1:04:58 PM  
As opposed to the Republican party, who fundamentally believes that unemployment insurance is communism for undeserving failures and who's policy platform is pretty much built entirely around denying such benefits and dismantling such programs as a basic tenet of belief.

As an Oregonian, I'm pissed about the situation and am glad that Erickson got shiatcanned, but making it out like it's a specifically partisan issue, or that the GOP would be managing it any better, is absurd.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:06 PM  

edmo: Why do we keep hiring people who are good at running campaigns to run government? That's not helpful.


Yep, this is important to remember. We don't have a meritocracy in the USA. We have a political system that rewards one thing and one thing only: successfully getting votes. It doesn't matter what means it takes to get there. You don't need to understand macroeconomics, international finance, international relations, monetary policy, or anything of any import at all to become a representative. All you need to do is have the right connections and be able to fool people into supporting you.

In some ways the gerrymandered "packed" districts that give us likes of John Lewis and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez are actually a boon for leadership, as over time those people lose the fear of not being re-elected and thus can actually focus on being statespeople. Of course, this can backfire, too, with the likes of McTurtle and others who abuse the office for personal gain for decades.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:27 PM  
The Dems need younger members. They have gotten old, they need younger faces and fresh ideas. More AOC like. Out spoken, won't back down, and won't put up with the R's shiate.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:30 PM  
Bullshiat. Republicans have a chance because ~40% of this country lives in an alternate reality where facts literally do not matter and voting Republican is equated with being a good Christian.
 
2020-08-05 1:05:43 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Not incompetent. Complicit.


Are you farking kidding?

What the fark is wrong with you?
 
2020-08-05 1:06:21 PM  
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Both Bides are Sad
 
2020-08-05 1:07:33 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Democrats also have the awful habit of not falling in lockstep with whoever is the flavor du jour.


Yep.

Republicans fall in line.  Dems fall in love.

/And then out of love if their pick isnt on the ticket.
 
2020-08-05 1:08:09 PM  
Oregon unemployed here. This is my second round of being unemployed due to layoffs since Trump was elected. No problems at all with UI claims for me, but I'm white. Just got a sad letter apologizing for the federal government stopping the $600.
 
2020-08-05 1:08:39 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Incompetent compared to who? The farking idiots responsible for over 180,000 deaths due to COVID-19?

Not clicking, because I don't really care what Oregon Live thinks.


I think you mean you don't care what the CNN of Oregon newspapers thinks.

They're not totally disreputable, but they're way too friendly to the local republicans because fairness money.
 
2020-08-05 1:09:53 PM  
Government agencies procuring enterprise software is the biggest cash sinkhole outside of the DoD.   I have seen installations that might have taken 18 months if done by a competent team literally take a decade.

They always boil down to the project org chart having 25 managers ensuring the three offshore developers dont waste any money.
 
2020-08-05 1:11:01 PM  
I'll never get this mindset. "The Democrats didn't do as good a job helping people as I wanted them to, so now I'm going to vote for the party that is nakedly, deliberately harming people." Waiting months for unemployment is awful, but it's still better than waiting in line for a horse-kick to the face.
 
2020-08-05 1:11:26 PM  

Heraclitus: I pointed this out in 2016.

Democrats are actually better at Doing the job. Republicans are better at Running For the job


One party also has the full support of unethical rich people.
 
2020-08-05 1:13:36 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: The real problem with The Lincoln Project is not that it's being run by a gaggle of duplicitous twats who'll turn on Democrats the moment Trump is out of office. The problem is that Democrats are too stupid to have come up with The Lincoln Project themselves, thus ceding the task to the duplicitous twats of the world.

/Yes, I know TFA isn't about that


The country is too polarized for the Democrats to have gotten any mileage out of something like their own Lincoln Project. It would have been preaching to the choir and "independents" would have seen it as partisan mudslinging. At least with the Lincoln Project a few people who need to hear the message might actually hear and think about it (but if we were holding bets on it I'd probably abstain).

But yes, they are still conservatives. If Joe Biden wins they will go back to making things as difficult as possible for Democrats to make any progress and them blame them for getting nothing done. It is what they seem to enjoy doing the most.
 
2020-08-05 1:14:14 PM  

Uncle Eazy: Democrats also have the awful habit of not falling in lockstep with whoever is the flavor du jour.


Independence of thought is great until you need to accomplish a task that requires more than one person.
 
2020-08-05 1:14:56 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Not incompetent. Complicit.


Show us where Obama touched you.
 
2020-08-05 1:15:13 PM  
I think it's time to take a serious look at repealing Citizens United and reforming campaign finance.
 
2020-08-05 1:15:51 PM  

lifeslammer: No subby, its because the repungent party knows that rigging, cheating and supression are the only way they will win

Nazi tactics and all that


Everybody knows that.  Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression is a legitimate threat and has been for many years.

Yet somehow the Dems are utterly incapable of fixing that or ameliorating the voting process to make it a more even playing field.

They just complain about it and wring their hands.  Oh me oh my.
 
2020-08-05 1:17:07 PM  

zbtop: As opposed to the Republican party, who fundamentally believes that unemployment insurance is communism for undeserving failures and who's policy platform is pretty much built entirely around denying such benefits and dismantling such programs as a basic tenet of belief.

As an Oregonian, I'm pissed about the situation and am glad that Erickson got shiatcanned, but making it out like it's a specifically partisan issue, or that the GOP would be managing it any better, is absurd.


It's not a specifically partisan issue. Republicans would specifically hobble the system. Democrats hobbled it out of sheer incompetence.

That sheer incompetence of wishy-washy offend-nobody-but-get-nothing-done mid​dle management is why Democrats don't have the shining reputation they think they should have. You should be pissed at the Democratic Party for farking this system up so badly. There are other parties that aren't the somewhat-evil-through-incompetence Democrats and the totally-evil-through-design Republicans.
 
2020-08-05 1:17:16 PM  
Republicans:
- Try to stop people from voting other than their own party and promise their party that they'll keep doing this in order for them to form the perfect union hoping that what?... all of the people that disagree with them will give up and leave? It sounds good to the party because hardcore party members are mindless sheep.

Democrats:
- Try to legally allow anyone to vote (felons, non US citizens, dead people) after promising them that all about dreams of equality will come true in form of other people's money which doesn't really solve anything. It sounds good to the party because hardcore party members are mindless sheep.

I miss anything?
 
2020-08-05 1:18:11 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: It's because of an ancient electoral system that gives the other party enormous advantages.


...which the Democrats watched being set up over the past 50 years or so and did nothing to stop it, thus proving their incompetence.
 
2020-08-05 1:18:45 PM  

Psychohazard: Heraclitus: I pointed this out in 2016.

Democrats are actually better at Doing the job. Republicans are better at Running For the job

One party also has the full support of unethical rich people.


LOL at "one"
 
2020-08-05 1:19:14 PM  

xander450: Nadie_AZ: Not incompetent. Complicit.

Show us where Obama touched you.


Probably near the drone strikes and concentration camps.
 
2020-08-05 1:19:44 PM  

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: The real problem with The Lincoln Project is not that it's being run by a gaggle of duplicitous twats who'll turn on Democrats the moment Trump is out of office. The problem is that Democrats are too stupid to have come up with The Lincoln Project themselves, thus ceding the task to the duplicitous twats of the world.

/Yes, I know TFA isn't about that


"gaggle of duplicitous twats"

Noice!

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